One thing to note about Reggie that can't be measured with stats is that he had the most incredible stamina that I've ever seen in a basketball player. He would run around off ball all game long. His defenders chased him around for 3 quarters, running into brick wall screens from Smitts and the Davis boys. Then the 4th would come and Reggie still had opening tip energy and speed while the defenders were worn out. 21 PPG and Reggie being known for his 4th quarter performances. I suspect that Reggie was on cruise control just wearing out his defenders for 3 quarters in a lot of games. Not unlike a boxer who goes to body shots for 10 rounds so that he can wear his opponent down for the later rounds. I can remember watching some Pacers games where Reggie would have like 8 points going into the 4th and explode for 15 points.

Reggie was drafted during the 1987 NBA Draft too

Yep, just like @BradleyTosh said, Miller entered the league in 1987

Can we get a video on Ray Allen? Some argue he was robbed of the 2001 NBA finals appearance, the 2008 finals MVP, 2008 all star MVP & the reason lebron & Miami Heat were saved in 2013!

Please do a video on Charles Barkley please please please

Scratch that, wake up the whole fam

Ong time to roll up and lock inn🤣

Typee shiii

Ben dropped

But actually though I wish my girlfriend knew enough about basketball to appreciate greatness smh

creative ball player ... who accepted his weakness in physical game and jumping power ... and develop the shot and a game around it... dude is not talented, but hard work and a determination to compete ... reggie is respected becoz he have a no quit underdog mental game ... i loved his game ... second to pippen .... in the 90s ... like ppl copy him ... that is respect ...

​@@josefliudude was talented, just not flawless. Without talent, you don't even make the NBA scouting reports, let alone become a Hall of famer.

@@Jesko_VRS is not physical, he has the height, but he is skinny and cannot jump, he is not athletic ... esp when compared to his peers ... we all know shooting skill is all hard work ... he isn't someone u draft like zion ...

@@josefliu You can work as hard as you want, if you don't have the massive talent needed to make the NBA, you are never ever getting there. Miller made the NBA and left his mark, so he had to be massively talented, he's no unicorn like MJ, but he has raw talent.

​​@@josefliu"Not talented". That's just going too far. He was 6'7", lengthy, fast, very quick and could shoot the lights out. Yes shooting is a talent. Of course you work hard for that skill, but not everyone has the talent to hone elite shooting. You think Charles Oakley, Shaq, Barkley, bigger stronger guys could ever shoot as well as Miller? No amount of practice makes them as good of shooters as Miller. Part of Miller's elite shooting was having the frame and touch for it. Claiming Miller isn't talented is another way of accrediting "will" or "killer instinct" instead of unique ability and obvious talent.

So true. The greatest are always talked about. But I love hearing deep dives on lesser talked about players.

imagine him and Dennis Rodman on a team just to infuriate their opponents all game. That alone is worth his pickup.

Absolutely. Let's appreciate what players did, rather than comparing them to some absolute standard of perfection...especially since there are no defensive stats that do justice to guys like Olajuwon...

Reggie was also deceptively strong. You can see the defenders wrestling him but dude was strong even with his wiry frame.

Great point. People tend to know decent amount about the greatest but there are other players who aren't top 20 all time players but had major contributions.

Pacers have had some great jerseys over the years, but my favourite was those side chevron kind of things in the 90s.

That jersey those Pacers wore from the early to mid 90’s is one of greatest jerseys ever made🔥🔥🔥

Remember when we tried to name us hwy 31 after him?😂

Born in 91. Lived in indiana all my life. Reggie is the fucking man

Born in 93 baby. R-e-g-g-i-e Reggie from the top of the key!!

I was thinking the same thing for this season idk who the hell is gonna pop up maybe Kevin guarnett or dirk but this one is so broad it’s hard to guess

@@t-god2439 I think there's gonna be a third series about great defensive players and KG might be on there. Otherwise, he might just use it to highlight other players since Garnett got a Peak episode

Exactly. I saw a pretty long shot of Manu in the intro and I'm like damn, is Manu going to get his own episode? He could feature some very unexpected names in this series.

Another thing, at least with the greatest peaks episode we got a preview of who was next at the end of the video. No previews so far on these.

@@WhelmedButReady that is true but he also did wilt in both so idk this is so hard to guess but I’m here for it I want to see where it goes

He was a 5-time All-Star, is in the Hall of Fame, and was recently selected as one of the 75 greatest players ever. How is he "underrated"?

Is he actually underrated? I know he didn't get his Hall of Fame induction right away, but that seems to have been corrected by his inclusion into the list of the 75 (76) greatest players list (by the way, the reveal when he learned he made the list is one of the best honest reactions you'll see from an NBA legend). Fans from the 1990s remember his great moments and his playoff heroics.

"Miller Time"

​@@sinatra222 He's underrated by the general public, especially the younger generation that only knows how to judge an old player by stats and accolades

@@jamalwalker ; On a hardcore fan channel like this, Miller is not underrated. But you are right that Miller is underrated by casuals who make up the majority of the fan base.

I can't wait for the Rodman episode

@@beechboiii Rodman could end up on the offensive episode more likely than a defensive one! He is 5th all time on Offensive rebounds whereas he sits 22nd all-time on defensive rebounds. Rodman is remembered for his rebounding not only because he was great but because he did it so well on OFFENSE.

​@ShynyMagikarp Eh... it would be a pretty damn quick offensive episode for Rodman. Rodman got rebounds. He would usually pass it out to teammates, which bolstered the teams offense. Sometimes he would take the shot. He was not efficient in these shots. How about that Rodman, eh? Whoo boy. Thanks for watching.

@@ShynyMagikarp while his rebounds are definitely the most impressive stat he has, his defensive presence was also huge and instrumental in the teams he was in.

@@supersammich344 Look, I'm not saying he SHOULD be in one of these episodes. If you ask me he probably shouldn't. All I was saying was his case for being in an offensive one may be just as strong if not stronger than a defensive one. Not saying EITHER CASE is strong, or deserved. That is a debate for another reply chain. My point was just to say Rodman's greatest rebound contributions were on the offensive end, and not by a small margin, by a shockingly large margin.

Lol what? Reggie is in the top 75 all time and regularly is on TV as an announcer. Nobody is forgetting reggie, the younger generation just might not know who he is

No, the player who's name is being forgotten is Bob Pettit and practically every great player from the 70s not named Jabbar or Oscar Robertson.

Ray allen is one of the more clutch buzzer beater guys in history too. His best fors and highs came vs the spurs second round with Duncan and Bowen Greg pop defending him and Rasheed Lewis was hurt and under performing big time and he played terrible but ray took them to six games in a year the spurs won the ring. He played good and was a possible finals mvp vs Kobe and the lakers and Kobe couldn’t defend him for long periods. He played great in that stretch where they almost made the nba finals vs iverson and the 76ers in game seven. Ray has had moments too but I would still rank him below reggie in clutchness but against many other ray is probably more clutch than them. We never got to see Reggie miller play on a stack teamed like curry and the warriors with or without durant or ray allen with the Celtics pierce and Garnett so we don’t know how clutch he could have been with less weight on his shoulders to carry. I feel like he would have had some all time feats with more distractions around him allowing him more space to operate.

@@freddyes2242 yes, but because Reggie was the sole Hall of Famer, until the Pacers got Mullin, is what made him more impressive than Allen. Ray couldn't make his team consistent by himself. Reggie WAS the Pacers.

Miller was much more flashy than Ray Allen. Ray was more tactical.

Reggie Miller is underrated while Ray Allen is overrated. Miller vs Jordan was some of the best basketball ever played. Miller vs Spike Lee and the Knicks was legendary. Ray Allen was usually the second or third best player on his own team while Miller was the whole show.

Reggie was way better than Ray Allen

Not all stars have gravity off the ball though. Like Jokic, giannis, lebron, etc…much more effective with the ball in their hand

@@tw7321 That's not true, even without a solid jumpshot understanding leverage against your defender can still lead to wide open shots for other teammates to get open on the outside, because you force the rotation on say a dive cut to the lane. If NBA stars even just spent even a little bit of time studying how wide receivers get open, alot more easier buckets could be generated. That's why I give major props to reggie miller. He played the game of basketball like a wide receiver constantly getting open.

​@@kanajingly8957I agree with you to an extent, but I think there's two aspects to it: how valuable you are off-ball, *and* what's the delta between your on ball and off ball value. the LeBron greatest peaks video talks about it, he's always been a great cutter and became an ok shooter but considering he's one of the greatest slashers and playmakers ever that's a lot less valuable than having the ball in his hands, and it's a reason he gives Jordan's peak a slight edge. your off ball value can only be so much without being a great shooter off the catch, the next best thing is being a devastating rim runner, with shaq being the most extreme example, but that's an aspect of value only bigs can fully access. and guys who derive a lot of their value from passing are always going to skew ball dominant, jokic is definitely a huge outlier, it would be very interesting to see bird play today, as.the other great "off ball passer" in history, but more perimeter oriented

I think the gravity, auxiliary creation, off-ball playmaking, portability, scalability, and overall adroitness of Reginald Miller was so stimulating that it sways me to put him over James Harden in my totally not arbitrary and useless peak for peaks list!!! I really think Ben would agree with me.

It has also been generous in that he doesn't look to have aged much (nor put on weight)!

@@gregoryrowlerson8457 I was about to say. He's a vampire lol

Meh depends who you talk to a lot of fans today don't think much of miller a lot just see him as low scoring shooter who couldn't do much else he'll ask Jordan haters he is one of the many "plumbers" Jordan got to play against lol

cus his game would translate perfectly to this era.. he didnt shoot 3's with alot of volume back in the day.... also with less physical defense i assume he would be even more punishing off ball. also... lmao the nba made a rule called the " reggie miller rule " because he was pioneer at drawing fouls when he was shooting by kicking his leg out. he would have found other ways to do it in this era.

If he was playing in this era would prob add 5-10 points to his regular season average. No defense today plus all the foul shots he would get.

exactly, the Oscar Robertson, Lebron, Harden, Westbrook, Luka template is overrated. Big stat piling and only Oscar and LeBron could win that way when they formed superteams. If you take a closer look, you can have very good regular season records playing that way, but it always comes crashing down in the playoffs until of course the decks are stacked with talent like Oscar teaming with Kareem and LeBron teaming with everyone

@@HailKingCeezer not really considering lebron did went to the finals with two pretty mid/awful teams. plus they werent really op superteams. the cavs never really had a big three with how love played, wade declined steadily during the heatles years and bosh underperformed frequently and ad and lebron are just a duo. considering he won with every team he has, none of his teamates has had succes after him, and the fact the he had probably around or lesser teams than guys like bird or magic, i think that template works if you have an all time player and just actual championship calliber teams. now yes it is definitely safer to play the curry/jokic style, although jokic seems to be a cross between lebron and curry as he doesnt really move off ball that much and does pass like a dominating playymaker, i dont think its valid to undervalue the lebron, robertson ways. at the ende of the day if you have the right team it will work. just let me remind you that many players have tried to move into superteams and so far the only consistent succes is lebron so go figure. also kareem didnt won without oscar or magic so i guess that dominating playmakers are also very important in championships.

@@HailKingCeezer LeBron and Luka are exceptions. Luka just needs a proper team. He’s been the truth since he was a rookie

@@mythification11 COOK😮‍💨

@@mythification11 Lebron's teams are not awful especially his 2nd stint Cavs teams. The man only knows how to play one style, him dominating the basketball. This reduces his teammates abilities and since they don't practice, they look "awful" when he is not out there because they are just waiting for him to check back in. One of the main reasons why his teams in his latter years were successful was because his competition in the East was not as talented, so the Cavs could coast in the regular season and when they pull up in the finals, they always got outplayed.

That's all I could think about while watching this video it's weird to think that you could make a lot of average basketball intelligent people today a gm/coach in the 70s-90s and really go crazy with the right pieces

I’d have to disagree here… from the KD era and onwards the Warriors’ spacing has been subpar relative to the rest of the league. Their starting lineup features two complete non shooters - an absolute no go for many teams

@@JohnSmith-th6wr Subpar? Are you kidding me? Not every team has shooter the caliber of Klay on the wing. Even fewer teams have someone like Wiggins as another catch and shoot 3-ball who is good. Otto Porter and Jordan Poole in the 21-22 season are good above average shooters with Poole being 3rd in 3pt volume for the team. If anything there aren't enough teams who have the quality shooting *AND* option for ball handlers that the Warriors have. Especially come playoff time. Draymond as a non-shooter is counter balanced by his ability to handle the ball and pass. The Kings roster is not any better in those roles and they were the darlings of floor spacing last season while playing at a break neck pace in the regular season.

Even without that he still created enough space for teammates by mlving

@@JohnSmith-th6wr I kinda agree that relative to the league the warriors spacing actually isn't that great anymore. However any edition of the modern warriors are miles ahead of the 90s Pacers in terms of the absolute spacing they have on the court.

Same -- I think when Dean Oliver first ran "advanced" numbers over 20 years ago, he thought the Miller data was an error.

@@ThinkingBasketball You’re a GOAT for *TRUE* basketball analysis🫡 I love your content and you’re the only person who could justify Kobe not being top 10 to me Never stop putting out videos

@@ThinkingBasketball Who would you say is a comparable player to Reggie in the past twenty years

@@greedyglo and annoying

@@greedyglo and a butt kisser

in 1990 the bulls and pistons went to 7 games in the ecf and the pistons won

The '92 Knicks and Bulls went to 7.

Thanks guys lmao

While not the only team, the Pistons were favorites and hosted game 7, and the Knicks had no chance of winning game 7 at Chicago Stadium. But the Pacers went into Chicago as underdogs and made every Bulls fan hold their breath until late in the game. That in itself was a great accomplishment.

@@mrmacross yeah that’s why I brought it up. Came straight from Jordan’s mouth that the Pacers were tough like the Pistons. They had a real shot to bounce the Bulls especially after Reggie hit that Game 6 three

He was on basketball breakdown interview a few days ago and he says his plays are directly from the Bulls triangle and San Antonio's motion offense. I love thinking basketball but i completely disagree with how he painted comparing Miller off ball to MJ on ball. Mike made fast decisions and was not a ball pounder and was great off ball himself, whether running around screens or post positioning. The Bulls triangle had beautiful off ball movement.

@@HailKingCeezer He didn't "paint" it any way. If you're implying that he painted Miller as just as valuable as Jordan, that's obviously not the case, as he has a greatest peak series and Miller isn't on it while Jordan is tops. He was just showing how the two generated offense in different ways and Jordan's is much more obvious to onlookers.

I play the long game!

Shutup kid

taking MJ to 7 games in your rookie year would be insane lol

I'm wondering if we ever really thought of Reggie "scoring on" Jordan because using screens was seen as a weird crutch back then.

@@ThinkingBasketball that's an excellent point. Reggie Miller wasn't your stereotypical baller and I wonder how much that's plagued the minds of superficial basketball fans over time (keep in mind, pre-social media.) And hurt his brand. When you think of a baller, it's Shawn Kemp's athleticism, Magic's finesse, Jordan's 'airness.' Reggie is a nice guy. All in the midst of an NBA crowd who want smashing the boards and hard fouls-a generation that faux-proudly proclaims this generation is soft. "Soft as Charmin," Kobe would say. Thanks for responding. Didn't you make it big and get a gig or something? Big ups to you, my man.

He would dominate regardless even if his diet of 3 FGA were lower for the modern standard. The key with Dirk's game was that even if he had range from beyond the arc, he was still money from working the mid range via a back to basket game. Which he could turn to a contested shot into FTs (which he had a good amount of FTAs throughout his prime) or into his patented big man fade away jumper. Besides the spacing worked out because Dirk was also flanked with shooters throughout his key playoff runs.

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Would be interesting to see content about that. I think there are 2 buckets you can put these type of players' with their 'dirty' on court play. You have players like Grayson Allen and the Morris Twins who end up playing overly physical which is perceived dirty because that is their limitations. They are good defensively against most players but they will get burned against the best regardless of how much smarter or physical they have to be. Then you have Reggie Millers' pulling actions and driving himself for contact in traffic. He gets away with it in part because he's already playing physical having to bump with other guys off-ball and him being a 185 lb string bean. So he's a smaller looking guy already inviting for contact either way. You can also lump Garnett giving birth to moving screens in the late 2000s. Which is a cue that since a well placed one is hard to discern in play for refs, physical bigs with even post 2013 Bogut (who was already limited offensively) would be Steph's first PnR partner via moving screens. They Draymond would learn how to play that game with Steph later.

His monday interviews on dan Patrick show are great

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Miller and the Pacers made the Finals in 2000.

@@sideshowbobsaget8876 right 1 time on the back end of his career. They had better teams in earlier years that either lost in the first round or ran into the Knicks and Bulls.

@@TheBackno Well it certainly sucks Reggie played his prime ball in an era of another legendary players' prime and in the same Conference no less. Also sucked that he played under then under Larry Brown who is a great defensive minded coach but was stubborn in some ways with how he liked his team lineups. Which is no wonder why Bird as the Coach was able to get the Miller core pieces and surround him with an infusion of other talents to overachieve getting into the Finals. But also running into the buzzsaw that is the Lakers quest for a 3peat.

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Steph has far superior handles and vision to either Miller or Allen.

Yes! He’s got an awkward sort of grace. It’s compelling to watch. It must be as compelling for the players on the court with him. You can’t take your eyes of him.

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Need this for sure especially in the modern era

​@@greedyglothere is no defense in the modern era

I hope not. We got like 10 Episodes on him already lol

Clueless little boy

Well, considering that this is an “offensive legends” series, I don’t think we’ll be seeing a Rodman vid anytime soon XD

Isn't klay Thompson quite limited he is basically a catch and shoot player

This video literally showcases Reggie Miller creating shots for himself & teammates without the basketball. He was ahead of his era since the late 80s-90s didn't heavily emphasize the three. Look at Klay Thompson today who has a similar game/play style to Reggie Miller. Klay is a multiple time All-Star & All-NBA player. Why wouldn't Reggie excel in today's NBA with the rules more catered to his play style? He also averaged 3asts per game as an off-guard so he clearly could also create some scoring opportunities for others with the ball. Just watch the video & you'll see that Reggie was more than capable of creating for himself & others on/off ball. His prime was in a lower scoring era.

​@@ogmusik2549yes, and like Reggie, he's an all-star but not a superstar (although he does have his moments), he has never done anything as the 1st option (funnily enough both also have 5 all-star selections)

@@atlien1988 i meant on ball creation obviously

@@ogmusik2549 yes and how much better was reggie than klay skill wise, my comment says i don’t see how he’d be that much better today…find me a player in the current nba that has reggie skillset that is a number 1 option on any team.

So he is better than Miller you 1d1ot

And that's not his main thing to do dummy

He already covered this in his greatest peaks series. He meant in the context of comparing to Miller he’s an on ball player.