I did the same. What a waste. I can't believe this happens in the USA.

Me, too. I was treated the same with my academic success. I felt every word to the bone.

so fucking sad she decided against it in that moment, imagine what she could have accomplished. sad to see her scared by her own family.

@@awareclueless When the people you are closest to treat your accomplishments as though they are nothing, a message is sent: You and your accomplishments mean nothing. I went through the same thing with my mother. I know exactly how she felt. Clear to my bones.

@@fidesedquivide3486 This happens much more often in the US than you would think.

I do agree. Well done Mark!

You can hear little blips of parts he cut out of his questions (I think that’s what that sound was). I think he wanted her and just her to tell her powerful story. She deserved this, all of this. Well done Mark @softwhiteunderbelly

Ive seen a lot of these now and Mark is always close to perfect at saying just enough to get the story out.

Oh yea Mark is a gift to us. Nothing but love for him❤️

Good insight; I hadn’t understood why his Thankyou to her was seemingly abrupt and ended it just like that.

You will make it thru someday....

Cool name

@@pfossful Goth Bosch Incarnate...Maybe i'll update it to Goth Bosch Incarnate 2.0?

yep men are constantly trying to kill us.

I was abused as a child I was terrified of going to hell. Was told women are supposed to be pure but guys can't control their urges. I had desires very very painful. It was hell. It also mixed me up and made me angry at God. Actually believed that God loves men more then women and they would get away with sins of the flesh but I would burn in hell because I was a woman. I had always intended on waiting until marriage. But I didn't and I always feared this. Felt really bad dirty. I never developed psychosis thank God but I went through all that trauma with religion roles of women. However I was fortunate enough to never have had that kind of trauma forced abortions. She is indeed strong and blessed to have survived and come through all that.

I agree with you. This seems at top of unfair.

@@Instramark you're joking.

I agree. Listening to her story, although not to that extreme, could be many of our stories. Childhood experience shows up throughout your life. It doesnt end at "adulthood".

I dont think so. There is plenty women who also got stuck withput any indoctrination. Plenty that got out of intoctrination and broke through it. And others. It's a bit of character qualities and bit of lack of love and support system.

I went through hell with $#1tty women. It's not restricted to one gender.

So your still single is what your saying..

@@Dive-Bar-Casanova wtf bro when did anybody say it was restricted to one gender?? she's just speaking on her own experience

I was thinking the same thing. If they saw this.. the work she could do.. she could really go places. But her trauma will need to be worked on. This woman is incredible. She will make such a mark on the world!

i’m sure your KZfaq comment will help her get a scholarship to Oxford! how about you actually email or contact the institution instead of commenting something you know will get you some Internet points and not to do anything to actually help her?

@@Natharsus that’s what I’m saying lol go find a better way, cuz comments on KZfaq won’t help. BUT if you do, I suggest you record your progress, because it’ll be nice to see it come to fruition.

@@Natharsus I did email them on her behalf. What have you done Brandon? Why don't you do something to help this woman rather than just posting negative and bullying comments just to get "internet points"? Hypocrite much??

@@xdmztryvsvedine2773 Why don't you do something to help this woman rather than just posting negative and bullying comments just to get "internet points"? Hypocrite much??

This is what I was thinking. I think she has been through so much and I look up to her for finally finding her own way in the world. I hope she continues to share her story!

Then I suggest you read Tara Westover' s Education.

She seems so likable maybe it's a Midwestern thing lol

Write the book! Help her write the book

she must be a really old soul.

Sorry i didn't look in her eyes.... yes she is an old soul.

A lot of Narcissists hide under the guise of Religion/Churches. Many abused wives are coming out of the shadows of abuse from Narc husbands. Right now in 2022. It’s crazy!

Your wife is an amazing person to have overcame and then devoted her life to service. Nurses are the real backbone of the Healthcare industry. Sending love to your wife.

@@tcoker0416 I love nurses :)

Bless her 💜

Evil people that mask their actions behind any principle of decency, are the worst kind. Doesn't matter whether that is patriotism, socialism, freedom, liberty, loving everybody, diversity and inclusivity, or religion. Traitors are the worst.

you got THAT right

Evil people always hide behind nice appearances.

@@SaneAsylum Well said. Exactly!

@@maxmaxwell4211 The scary truth.

Yes!!! This conclusion of hers in the end about love was isss sooo profound!!!! Real Love does not require conditions!! U know I hear religious fn BS alll the gd time but they always manage to leave out the most important parts!!! About LOVE!!! Like the 13th Chap of Cor!! Where God clearly spells out what TRUE UC LOVE IS!!!! AND WHAT BEING AN ADULT IS!! THE GREATEST CHAP OF ALL ALWAYS GETS PUSHED ASIDE!!! AND THE JUDGE NOT LES YE BE JUDGED!!! YE WHO IS WO SIN CAST THE 1ST STONE!!! OR FORGIVE OTHERS AS I FORGIVE U!! THEY PICK OUT THESE WEIRD PASSAGES AND THEY TWIST THEM AND TURN THEM SO MUCH AND SOOO TIGHTLY TO FIT THEIR SICK SELFISH BELIEFS OF WHAT THEY HAVE DECIDED IT MEANS! I MEAN I JUST SEE ALL THE VERSES OF THE BIBLE SOOO FN TWISTED TO FIT THE KKK CULTS PSYCHOS ETC.....I TRULY DESPISE RELIGION AND SEE IT ALL AS A RECEIPE FOR THIS RT HERE!!!

Totally disagree. Everyone has conditions for love, as it should be.

​@Shitchlover551 Yeah but those conditions are like "don't kick puppies", not like "your skirt has to be exactly three and a half millimeters over your ankle". 😅

definitely a good idea

I agree so much!!!

Some medical professionals in hospital settings don’t know how to treat patients or they just lost the ability to be compassionate. I’ve brought family members to the hospital or stayed with them while they were there (in the ER, ICU, and regular rooms), and I feel a minor sense of medical trauma from how they were treated and how I was treated. I filed two complaints and received positive responses to those, but I doubt anything changed. It’s so sad to think about how people are being treated when they are scared and need help.

It could be also that they have never experience anything like this and naively handled the situation wrongly.

See Prof Sam Vaknin "virtue signalling/ communal npd" they do it for kudos with no comensurate effort. Have only cold empathy. Ditto Religious...

That’s it in a nutshell alright

And then some go on to repeat the behavior and abuse done to them. What led her first husband at the ripe old age of 19 to be such a horrible & abusive person, or her mother to treat her own child so absolutely terribly.

Omg yes

@Dzs M religion is mind control which is mental abuse and Jesus said follow your own spirit cuz “ye are gods” & your body is the temple. That’s why when the beg for tithes money using guilt and shame saying you’re robbing god if you don’t give them 10% of all your money that’s a form of mind control. You are the temple so 10% needs to go to your own personal savings.

What does gas lit mean?

I don't think that self-love is learned by ourselves, but it is taught by others loving us. Besides that, it is also a mind fck, i believe. Try to feel proud of yourself, as that is a good step towards caring about yourself. ❤

It's what you do or have done that defines that...

So sorry. Sounds like we we're raised the same way.... God Bless you.🙏🏽

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@@EchoBravo370 that's just silly

Dido

i agree!! i really want to see a part two as a follow up or any life updates. i wish there would be some type of way to support these individuals. i hope she’s okay

No family doesn't come first. A person's mental health does.

@Nikki She’s saying that. Her mother should’ve put her daughter first, before her religion or politics.

evil and false and deceptive teachings have infiltrated most churches and turned them into hellish places. the real gospel and jesus are simplistically kind and uncomplicated, These control freaks that she encountered are the opposite of Jesus real teachings. I am so sorry she had to go through all that. It is videos like this that will scare atheists away from Jesus. Jesus himself warned, when asked what the end times shall be like......... to not be deceived. Many will preach a false jesus. Terrible. Luk 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

@@crossing3790 People make up their own version of Christianity and people follow them instead of reading about Christ for themselves. Then people think Christianity is whatever a false profit proclaims it is.

@@NeiveVeve very true. One of the first verses I learned was. 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Is that sarcasm lmao

Did he even say anything in this interview? Not sure it's fair to say someone is a great interviewer if the format is basically just a monologue.

It is not about religion. It is about having true relationship with God. Jesus Himself abhorred the hypocrisy of religious leaders such as the Scribes and Pharisees

Here are links to videos of well-educated atheists who became believers after experiencing God in the Spirit realm during their NDE. One atheist neurosurgeon, one atheist orthopedic surgeon and one atheist college professor kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aq2jorSD1tTbhmg.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/np6HasZ1nZiUlmQ.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/obKZoNKiv7u7l6s.html

so true,yes!🤍

People will automatically abandon you when you need them the most. Like she said, "black is white & white is black". What's right is deemed wrong & vice versa. That is the work of the devil himself to feast on the targeted one's misery.

@@aegoaway or targeted one’s intended ministry. Thank you.

I just can't re condition my mind to erase the gas lighting and shame and self hate

@@petakucas7389 ..don't give up..u can be your true self no matter how long it takes!♥️

Sounds like your the one mentally unstable picking these men. You should seek therapy about your issues. Then maybe a better man will pick you.

@@petakucas7389 It’s very difficult, but it is possible. I don’t think I’ll ever truly unravel it completely, but therapy has helped so much.

@@mtbiker4life918 wow super helpful. Thank your mom for raising you so well!

I agree!👍👏👏👏❤️

She sure is! Reminds me so much of Latonia - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mNRxY9yAz7HUlKs.html

Me too!

Who is both??? Significant other?

@@carioca56 Her & Mark (the guy behind the camera who's interviewing her)

How well she talked and told her story, I would never thought she had mental problems

I agree , it was painful, haunting and completely free of.. ..artifice ?.. no... I can't think of the word but many traumatised people have recounted their misfortunes more than a couple of times. The awful lack of continuity of social workers and support workers means repeated tellings are the norm for many seeking help . Their stories can, whilst being so painful sound ...practiced?...not the right word either .... I worked in a project with 22 residents in 2000s , some had social workers , I was there four years , I never saw the same sw twice . I think for some weaving a cohesive narrative honed from repeated tellings is a way of having agency over the lives they had where they had none or very little

She should write a book, I'm not kidding.

And when the interviewees are more open and good speakers

Not stories man these are people lives

or they are tweaking and cant stop talking

@@thecrownoffusion8420 it's the story of their lives

@@eridiance9818 realism

❤

Hypocrites plain and simple

Yes excatly

No evidence of a soul whatsoever superstitious nonsense

@@matimus100 😂😂 i guess you are a robot then

@@matimus100 okay bud lol.

spiritual trauma...like seeing ghost then...

Fuck religion it's a scourge on the world

@@chadshepherd4691 indeed

Amen. Spiritually, it is criminal.

Sadly it is the people of the religious groups that have perverted the situation. They are not godly people imo

its a huge criminal enterprise making billions of dollars

I hope you find a way to love. That is love for yourself first of all.

You will find your way. Trust your intuition.

Hi Klea, I know it’s kinda hard to understand when you’ve been conditioned to believe Christianity and certain beliefs others push upon us when we’re young and impressionable. I can assure you you’re relationship with GOD or whichever higher power you believe in is personal and no one else’s business. Whether you decide to have sex, abortions, smoke, gay, and etc that is you and GOD’s business and no one else’s. You are his child above all and you’re going to go through these things because it’s life in the end you will align with your path. He will always love you! A lot of people try to dictate GOD’s words and teachings that they have no right to. GOD will be with you in each step, loving, and guiding you. I can promise you that because I am living proof. I wish you all of the best my love 🥺💕

Read the Bible and do not depend on religion/religionist ... God is life and the truth.

Klea, god can be many things. I am not a christian so to me, god is the essence of nature and its vastness. (at least, that's the short explanation) god doesn't have to be a deity at all, or it can be many, it is not defined solely by any religion because the concept is too big. You don't need a book, an imam or a priest if you don't feel drawn to that path. Explore different ways of thinking, get to know what's important to you, spend time in nature and always be willing to learn about yourself. Compassion is the key, and you already have that. YOu'll get to where you want to go :)

it usually is....1 bad ...1 good...1 bad...1 good... But i will refuse my life review... no matter how good my next life is.

She is acting. I don’T believe a word she says.

um yes, um indeed.

Why?

It’s you .

I was thinking the same thing

As horrible it is to know that others have gone through this and more, it does help me in knowing that I’m not alone and that my thoughts and feelings are validated by others who think & feel the same. I get really upset when people who have no idea of the trauma I’ve been through tell me I need therapy. It’s so fuc*ed up to me to even think of the thousands & thousands of dollars I spent on therapy just to be able to cope.

Organised religion is rubbish. My father is obsessed with it and I keep confronting him about it and he jus gets worse in his madness his ruined the whole family and now he wants everyone to be like him and his garbage church. It's important to have a relationship with God not a human like a priest professing lies before you in the name of the lord. The millennial generation and gen z we are definitely knocking down these colonial walls.... Even podcasting or streaming a spiritual talk with friends or strangers is doing Ng more good than these tithing institutions

I agree! I think this is one of my favorite channels because of the light that it sheds. My only disappointment when I watch is sometimes that I don’t know the outcome for someone later and the mom in me is a worrier late at night… And also disappointment sometimes that we don’t get to hear very many positive endings or outcomes as a consequence of his positioning Close to skid row or going into communities where he is specifically seeking trauma survivors. It’s nice to hear stories where people get to talk at their own pace and in their own way. But I sometimes walk away with a very negative impression overall of the state of events in the world. I wonder sometimes if he positioned himself on rodeo drive if the stories would look just as pathetic or sad at times. Or in average suburbia. The extremity of the stories we hear on this channel it was heartbreaking.

Deeply moved by her story and by her courage.

Amen.

Angels came to help her in the form of a mother and daughter.

Jill makes poor mate choices.

@@rev.jimjonesandthekool-aid4488 Ahh a predictable privileged moron (probably male you are) who has never been a victim of any kind of abuse, blaming a victim. You're such a stereotype

@@rev.jimjonesandthekool-aid4488 Imagine being such a bitter person with such a shitty life, the only way you can seek relief from your negative feelings is to attempt to hurt other people. Couldn't be me. I went to therapy. Works wonders for self-hatred. Because honestly, show me how you insult people and I'll show you what you're *most insecure about*.

Her biggest "blessing "/ blessing was that her parents got a divorce

@@MellowJelly actually you are also a feminist stereotype and don't even notice. Funny how blind spots work.

That story is almost certainly a fabrication inspired by a Saved By the Bell episode that make people suddenly think that that's a normal practice. By her own account, she scored around the 90-95% percentile on the ACT. She didn't release her scores. Oxford has way more applicants who meet what they're looking for than they could ever hope to sort through. This charade reminds me of lumpen/working class people thinking that "pre-law" or "pre-med" are real degrees. There's no such thing. You can major in anything that you want. It's just recommended that people take classes that are helpful. So for med school, you're going to need all of the lower division math classes, an A required in organic chemistry, and physics up to quantum (one level past general). You can otherwise get into med school with a philosophy degree if you kill the MCAT. The issue here is that most aspiring doctors don't choose that route since they've already taken so many science and math classes that it's an easy transition to biochemistry. Law only requires the LSAT, though most at my college took meta-logic, which deals with second order questions, since it's helpful for that test. When I was at the community college, where my transcript would blow any high school student in that area out of water, no school offered me anything, yet I'd hear that "Duke offered Amber a free ride," who was this trailer park girl out in the boonies. I had a class with her. She was a serial liar. Had I never applied anywhere, I would have simply been forgotten about. I applied, then got into UCLA, 1 of 18 from North Carolina to transfer there for that class. Some of my contemporaries went to ivy league doctorate programs. They didn't get offers from Princeton. They had to apply. Oxford isn't going to look for candidates with strong ACT scores out of small boonie Christian schools. My husband also went to UCLA from a similar school and didn't get offers like that. Ben Carson didn't get an offer from West Point either. I feel bad for her, but I don't get why people lie like that except out of vanity or because they've been gaslit into thinking that they're dumb and so want to prove a point.

Rebecca Ferguson

Julianne Moore

Yes that would be amazing if it was made into a film

Julianne Moore

Julia Roberts 😍🤞

Or even ones siblings!

Here here.

I never invade privacy either for the same reason!

my sister, 2 yrs younger, found my diary when I was 14 , read it and attempted to translate to my mom...then made fun of by both. ..betrayal and invasion of privacy

Same. Not a journal persay but a book of poems that substitute for a journal. And both of my parents tore apart my room and found it where I kept it, under my bed. Not only that they did not encourage my creativity instead shot me down. The betrayal has never left and i have never been able to express myself through writing in the same way

As much as it's easy to blame the other people involved the main abuser was that religious man and he really should be held accountable for all of it. The mom has a responsibility too but she was also a victim of his abuse and manipulation

@@MellowJellyThe mother was an adult though, she should have known better and put her kids first, instead she became indoctrinated by that hypocrite

@@MellowJelly The mother literally chose her abuser from an Ad in the Paper. I realize her husband abandoning her created a Trauma response, that’s the only way I can wrap my head around mom choosing this diabolical abuse. It’s sad.

Jill's dad was there for the first part of the life , the part she enjoyed. I think her successful recovery draws heavily from this period where she was getting unconditional love and making healthy connections in her brain. It's so sad when a family fractures and those bonds break not because of the children but the adults who separate use a blunt tool for extraction that cuts and bruises the whole family

@@MellowJelly i disagree wholeheartedly. not that the man abusing her mother doesn't have responsibility for his own actions, but her mother is responsible for herself as well. she was a woman with children who decided to run after a man who advertised in the paper to live out some fantasy of being a tradwife and forced that on her daughter in spite of the fact that she hated it and begged her to leave. she deserves to be blamed for that, it's inexcusable.

I wanna know how many women get in these horrible situation?!

@@SuperSlimshady1 the number would make your stomach turn

@@lacey892 oh I know it would sadly I know it would

That’s why you never judge a book by its cover.

This is why we must always be kind to everyone. We never know what anyone is going through or has endured.

ha! why dont you all show them by becoming one of those billionaire evangelist mega-church preachers who take everyone's money TAX FREE? fuck em all heehee

That's so awful....so very sorry!

I believe Chris Rock has a great quote about his female friends and their bad relationships with their dads. He says you show boys you love them, you tell girls you do.

Do the Right Thing.

Good to hear this understanding and amazing perspective from a male. Good for you!!!! Your future wife and children are lucky,.

@@aliehawhite8616 I have to understand things like this if I seriously want to raise kind compassionate, and genuine people, which will outlast my existence. So I’m educating myself as much as I can while I’m young honestly. I’m consciously aware of my power in a child’s life. I just want peace for them, and no trauma cycles like this!

There is an old Jewish saying . When you are the father of boys , you worry . When you are the father of girls you do more than that . You pray. You have to be the ultimate loving father . You have to be the example of the man she may need later in her life .

I'm sorry. Shes shitty for that and you're an improvement upon your generation and family. Sending many virtual hugs 🤗

@@ashmacc7868 Thank you

My mother is a covert narcissist who has bad mouthed me to my whole family behind my back which has made my son a boy without relatives. Nasty witch who I hope will burn in hell🔥

My mom does also was with my ex over 20 years which he was part of the family and just because we didn't work I wouldn't take my family or friends from him and vice versa but I also didn't experience abuse or the relationship she had with her mom.

And s😥x trafficked

Yeah but this guy straight up abandoned them for the entirety of their teenage years, like damn, he couldn't have done a checkup every few months...? That alone would've likely concerned him enough to get his kids out of that damn house. This guy was selfish though, and enjoyed being away from the responsibility of family

Maybe single moms should stay single until their kids are grown.

Doing exactly this and trust me when I say I've had it as bad or worse than the lady being interviewed by my daughters mom. People keep talking about mysogeny but there is the opposite of it being strongly encouraged and lived out by multiple generations of women raised by single moms... Sometimes the result isn't a poor helpless woman it's an extremely abusive and controlling woman. Although the root cause is the same... Sometimes though you need to leave for safety.. I left her for a couple years (thinking it would be forever. And rightly so) but the effect the divorce (well the lack of a family) was hard on my daughter. But at the same time even though the divorce depressed her, it helped ultimately because for one I got my freedom that was stolen (freedom isn't given only taken away) and seeing that the monolith of MOM was in fact wrong in many ways and people like that ONLY respond to consequences. Nothing short of consequences can change them and even so, guess what. Now that I've decided to live with her so we could have a family again, she's slipping back to her old ways a little bit although way less intense than it used to be.... But I still think now is better than it's ever been for our daughter. Even though compared to a "healthy" family we look like shit. But hey it's the beginning of breaking the cycle for our daughter .. may she not begin the 5th known generation of matriarchal abuse in this bloodline

@@jacobjohnson2714 Would you hold yourself to the same standard? I doubt it.

Absolutely.

I also live in Tucson. I’m disgusted to hear that. Sending healing for you and your family 🫶🫶

Most' born again' bible believers don't realize how brainwashed they are, especially when raised in it.

Wow! That horrible. Sorry you have to be subjected to his madness. Stay safe and well 🙂

God is not religion. Is knowledge through bible studying with holy spirit revelation and a personal relationship in Jesus Christ.

Just looked it up. Creepy.

I’m trying to work my way out of that one myself

Amen.

Absolutely agree religion should never be indoctrinated into young minds

i think its one thing to practice your religion with your children. using your religion as a bludgeon to abuse your children is its own thing.

For me, it was God who helped me heal after years of abuse and a psychotic break. I would have remained broken without His help. ✝️🙏

Religion is the 1 thing that absolutely needs questioning

Due to the literal fact that religion, specifically Christianity was created to enslave people... it makes me question religion completely.

@@Reijiiee Where are you getting that from? Slavery existed long before Christianity, in MANY cultures unfortunately. The Hebrews were enslaved by the Egyptians, and not fans of slavery. And Jesus' apostles taught, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28) At a time when slavery was common and women were basically property, that was an incredibly progressive and revolutionary message. Certainly, people have used quotes from the Bible to justify doing evil, in some cases even to support slavery, but these were usually taken out of context and twisted, with those perpetrating the evil blatantly ignoring scripture that opposed and denounced their actions. I'd also point out that many abolitionists specifically denounced slavery BECAUSE of the Christian concept that humans are all equal and deserving of love and respect. The concepts of equality and justice enshrined in the US constitution are rooted strongly in Christian concepts, and if they had truly been carried out to a Biblical standard, the US would never have had slavery.

Stop cherry picking the bible , the bible endorsed slavery and that’s a fact , you are also aloud to beat your slave as long as you don’t kill your slave and if you want to deny It I could cherry pick a heap more of the immoral weird crap that your book of lies endorses , like rape and murder .

Sorry to hear that, I'm glad you left that piece of garbage Unfortunately most man from third world countries are abusive towards women

@@albertsadler4322 is your opinion based from experience?

It’s not because he’s Muslim tho.. Watch your wording. It’s coming off racist and xenophobic

@@9roselove9 stoning people to death is legal in Iran, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, northern Nigeria, Afghanistan, Brunei, and parts of Pakistan. Language policing to be a goody two shoe doesn't change that.

@@albertsadler4322 as if the US wasn't "3rd world". This kind of man exists everywhere.

My mom gave me the same advice - don't think he's going to change after you marry him. If he has a bad habit, like alcohol, have him stop before going any farther in the rel.

Ditto. I've never recovered either, because the church always told me to 'put the past in the past' without telling me to seek a therapist.

@@swannoir7949 I'm sorry you went through that as well. The church is big on not getting help from "secular" therapists. They also think everything is an attack from the devil. If you pray and it doesn't get better, then they accuse you of not having enough faith. Sorry my first comment that you responded too was made from my other account.

@@likeasoldier777 You are so right. And thank you.

Spot on, especially when indoctrination starts at a young age. Children believe what they're told and indoctrination runs deep. It's a terrible way to live. I thankfully broke free from Christianity and life is so much better. Everything makes sense now.

@@opinionsarentfacts3515 It's really not fair to claim that the things in the bible are "fact", as there is absolutely no objective evidence for and gods, including the god of the bible. As your user name suggests, opinions aren't facts. I was a believer for nearly 50 years and took part in several different sects of Christianity, all of which foundations are guilt and shame. The bible says much more than to love one another. It also says to kill people that don't follow certain laws. Personally, I just cannot support, let alone worship, a being who is believed to have set up such a flawed world where such horrible things happen. I love people just as much as I did when I was a believer. Nothing in my personality changed. I just no longer have the questions I used to have that didn't make sense. Now everything makes sense.

So you believe we shouldn't feel guilt and shame when we lie, covet, steal, and kill? What is your standard as a good person? And what are you defining that standard by?

@@NeiveVeve I don’t think that’s what she meant. But when humans think they are in the position to be judge, jury and executioner they are standing on dangerous ground. Humans have no right to treat others as irredeemable. Humans do not have that kind of insight. They have no idea what kinds of atrocities others have had to bear. My mother thought lies were sport, stood in the same room while my stepfather showed me the grossest pornography imaginable from the time I was 6 and killed every dog I ever had. I can tell you that had a marked effect on my developing brain and made walking your chalkmark quite difficult. Walk a mile in my shoes.

@@opinionsarentfacts3515 please reread your username on here because you're presenting your religion as a fact! You unwittingly don't realize that you're part of the problem.

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