Remington 700 Walker trigger fix and safety explanation. Rethink replacing a 700 trigger.

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Жыл бұрын

In this video I attempt to clear up some of the misconceptions surrounding the Remington 700 "Walker" trigger and safety system as used on the Remington 721,722, 700, and 600 rifles. I also show my method of unitizing the connector and the trigger, overcoming the shortcoming of the Walker trigger design. I show some of the shortcomings of aftermarket 700 triggers.

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@Wyde-awake 6 ай бұрын

Just watched the documentary on this trigger as it just happened to me at the range with a 600. The cost savings was 5 1/2 cents per rifle. RemArms just emailed back about the 1979 trigger recall. Their response, That was Remington, not us. We dont care.

@Thestripper1 Жыл бұрын

I had a rifle fire on safety-off (not Remington). I could not figure out why it fired and could not replicate it even after extensive testing, until one day. I was wearing the same jacket as the first time... It turned out that when, in standing position with muzzle pointing up to the side, I did the movement to pull the safety back to fire position and unlock the bolt to unload (CZ safety is off in back position), the velcro cuff on my jacket would swing around the stock, through the trigger guard and attach itself to the velcro on my left arm. As I rotated my wrist/hand when operating the safety the velcro strap tightened and pulled on the trigger. It was so instantaneous that I thought for sure it fired because I had released the safety. Infact it was a pull of the trigger. It took me over a year to find this out but once I did I could replicate it about one out of twenty times when wearing the exact same jacket and layers underneath. I'm glad that no one was hurt. The jacket was sold to a non hunter. Unintentional discharge is chocking, dangerous and embarrassing. I think it's a natural human response to want to blame it on something else than the user error of oneself. I'm not saying that the Remington trigger is without flaws but my guess is that it has probably gotten credit for more unintentional discharges than it deserves.

@Strutingeagle 9 ай бұрын

It will also fire on closing the bolt if the sear barely catches it too. Mike Walker pointed this out to Remington and suggested a fix that only cost a few cents. Remington did nothing to fix it at that time but muddy the waters and tried to put all the blame on people adjusting the triggers incorrectly. This explanation from Remington satisfied most non mechanical minded people and so the controversy was born.

@scottscheuerman8714 8 ай бұрын

I haven’t had a problem with the Remington rifles I have but I am watching your video to see how you correct them so that they don’t accidentally discharge

@AirFan111 Жыл бұрын

EXCELLENT EXCELLENT summary of the Walker trigger and its fundamental problem. Your fix is simple and permanent. >Could you please share your method of maintaining alignment while the epoxy is curing? >Could you include a link or a secondary reference in your comments where a professional gunsmith mentions this repair method? I'm a mechanical engineer with 40 years of machine design and fabrication experience and I see no downside to your fix, but would like to be aware of any concerns before I begin modifying a half dozen triggers. THANKS!

@AKBAKWUDS Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comments and interest. I just apply the epoxy and carefully center the connector onto the trigger, then place the trigger where it will not get disturbed until the epoxy cures. Have the trigger placed with the connector upwards, so gravity doesn't work against you. After the epoxy cures I drill and tap the trigger for the retaining screw. I am not aware of a professional gunsmith mentioning or promoting this modification. Can you tell me what comment in the video you are referring to ?

@misterlewgee8874 3 ай бұрын

Very well presented and explained. Thank you

@jeremyevert6696 5 ай бұрын

Very well done & intelligent sir!

@dw7094 4 ай бұрын

The trigger in question is JUNK! The way to fix it is to knock out the two pins and throw the entire trigger assembly in the trash, then replace it with a quality trigger.

@jeffcameron7853 5 ай бұрын

Repair 14.42 Epoxy the connector to the trigger, rough up surfaces, clean with alcohol then epoxy. Once it sets up hard, drill a hole in the trigger using the existing hole in the connector. Tap for a 3/56 screw, head at connector end. Cut off the excess thread and file/sand smooth, then file the slotted head down to the bottom of the cross slot. Then remove the tip off the over travel screw. The threaded part of the over travel screw presses against the head of the screw that was threaded into the connector and trigger.

@bearbait2221 10 күн бұрын

Great vid. Thanks so much very well explained. You talk about aftermarket springs what is the best place to find them and what is your preferred springs, weight or thickness? Thanks again best explanation of a mod 700 trigger failure online.

@AKBAKWUDS 9 күн бұрын

@@bearbait2221 I bought an assortment of small springs from Wolff years ago, probably 50 or 60 small springs in a bag. I use them, but have also used springs from a guy who calls himself Ernie the gunsmith. Not sure if hes still around.

@markkillingsworth9529 Жыл бұрын

Good vid, thanks. So are you tapping both the hard steel (sear) and soft trigger metal?

@AKBAKWUDS Жыл бұрын

No, just tapping the soft trigger steel. The hole in the connector is larger than the tap, and the connector is too hard to tap.

@jameskringlee8974 Жыл бұрын

Thank You for all this. A very practical approach never even hinted at in the numbers of videos I have watched trying to understand a reasonable course of action to take. Do you have a favorite epoxy? and do you use a "brake clean" type spray to clean your triggers and if you do have there been any signs of epoxy failing? The through screw makes good sense for redundancy - did you have any concerns about weakening the trigger at that point? for now, after reading too many reports of unexpected discharge, I will be carefully pushing against the back of the trigger to try to make sure the trigger is in the max forward "un-pulled" position before moving the safety to the fire position or raising the bolt handle along with proper cleaning maintenance and adjustment and SAFE GUN HANDLING.

@AKBAKWUDS Жыл бұрын

I have used brake clean and gun scrubber type products in some cases. They are helpful in removing dried oil "varnish", but usually I can clean that stuff out by other means or when I disassemble to complete this procedure. My favorite trigger cleaner/ lubricant is aerosol Kroil, it is thin and does not tend to congeal. As far as epoxy, I generally use whatever glass bedding compound I have on hand, acraglas or pro-bed. I also epoxy the threads on the screw before I thread it through the trigger. I have no concerns about weakening the trigger, everything is epoxied and screwed together. I personally would not trust epoxy on its own, although I have never tried epoxy without the screw. I would be more inclined to skip the epoxy and rely on the screw. The main advantage of the epoxy is it holds the connector in perfect alignment while drilling the hole for the screw. When actually drilling the hole, start the hole with a bit that fits snugly in the connector hole, then when you drill for the 3/56 screw that hole will be perfectly centered. If the hole is not centered, you will most likely break the tap off when trying to thread the hole.

@jameskringlee8974 Жыл бұрын

@@AKBAKWUDS thanks for all this good information, it makes sense to me and is doable

@dagnabit29 3 ай бұрын

It would be nice to see a video of you going thru the actual process I get the epoxying the connector but loss me on the drill tapping and putting the longer screw in also walker trigger vs 40x are there differences between them aside from external adjustment screw underneath

@joerussello4778 8 ай бұрын

I had a problem with the Remington 600 rifle yesterday the rifle discharge when i pushed the safety to the fire position my hand was not on the trigger i used my thumb to push the safety the rifle was in a rest an it went off so here i am watching this

@stevekurzban9352 Жыл бұрын

Lightening up trigger pull to 1# by changing spring/springs sounds like something many people listening to could try themselves with less than safe results. IMO you should have shown which springs and advocated a bump test. One gunsmith on KZfaq stated the factory setup has zero tension for returning the trigger if adjustment is near or below 2#. While you might be able to change out one or more springs the system on the whole may work but suffer unforeseen consequences even if things seem to work well (you may change lock time or accelerate parts wear). Just my $.02.

@Thestripper1 Жыл бұрын

After having done some research I can't figure this out. The modification you do in this video makes a lot of sense. But Remingtons later trigger design, the X-mark pro, has a one piece trigger without the separate "follower". Remington still did recall on those because there had been accidental discharges and "fire on safety off" . What is your opinion on what might have happened with those and could the same thing happen even after your modification?

@AKBAKWUDS Жыл бұрын

My understanding if I remember correctly was there was some adhesive or thread locking compound in those triggers causing issues. I don't have any x mark triggers, and am not intimately familiar with them like the older "Walker" triggers. Nothing man made is foolproof, but I have complete confidence in my 700 triggers as I modify them. It is still possible for the rifle to fire when the safety is released, but much less likely. Something would have to be physically holding trigger rearward or if trigger was improperly adjusted, especially sear adjustment.

@scottscheuerman8714 8 ай бұрын

@@AKBAKWUDSI actually had replaced the x pro trigger in one of my Remington 700 because I couldn’t adjust and it had a terrible trigger pull on it but now I know if you want to replace them it be better to use a Sheilen trigger

@kenweerts3869 6 ай бұрын

I used silver solder to connect the trigger and connector.

@AKBAKWUDS 6 ай бұрын

Nice ! I imagine that would work as well or even better.

@kenweerts3869 6 ай бұрын

@@AKBAKWUDSI really liked your information . It satisfied my questions about the “walker” trigger. I always wondered what could be wrong with it. Thanks

@rickieneagle Жыл бұрын

great video where did you get the screws that you use also what drill bit and tap did you use and where to find them. my old gunsmith did his triggers the same way. any info would be apreciated.

@AKBAKWUDS Жыл бұрын

Thanks ! Screws came from Brownells, not sure anymore where I sourced the tap and bits. 3-56 tap, #88 bit to start the hole, #45 or 46 to drill hole. Starting the hole with larger bit ensures smaller hole is centered when you drill that.

@rickieneagle Жыл бұрын

@@AKBAKWUDS thank you will go from there

@RR-ys2qs 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the vid/info. Why do you prefer the safety lever with the bolt lock feature? I have an ADL that reasons to NOT have that feature. Thanks again -- RR

@AKBAKWUDS 8 ай бұрын

Its personal preference really, but it boils down to making sure the bolt stays fully closed prior to getting a shot opportunity. If the bolt handle is lifted, even partially, a misfire is the likely result. The energy of the striker has to close the bolt prior to igniting the primer, causing misfires. I have actually had this happen, and know another hunter who has experienced this as well. It is not hard for brush or a tree branch to lift the bolt handle while hunting. Also, if you hunt from horseback, some scabbards retain rifle by the bolt knob. Having the bolt not locked down can cause rifle to not be properly retained in scabbard.

@williamandrews1683 8 ай бұрын

This may be safer but it changes the way the trigger works and feels.

@nicholashalvis5376 8 ай бұрын

How about making a video from start to finish disassembling the trigger to perform exactly what it is you’re showing to do in this video

@AKBAKWUDS 7 ай бұрын

I will do that ! Look for the video soon.

@kw3640 7 ай бұрын

Do you have any suggestions for a good trigger for the 700?

@matthewmcallister8845 8 ай бұрын

I would think with a good epoxy the screw wouldnt be needed but i could be wrong. I was thinking something like JBweld .

@dagnabit29 Жыл бұрын

I have a Remington ltr 308 do you know if those where supposed to have 40x mine has the walker trigger I bought new but wonder if someone possibly swapped it before selling it to me can’t get a straight answer from the new guys thanks

@AKBAKWUDS Жыл бұрын

I am not sure if any LTRs had the older Walker triggers, doubt it but could be. Does your LTR have a date code stamped on the barrel just forward of the receiver ? That would tell you when your rifle was manufactured. I believe the Walker triggers were phased out in the early 2000s.

@RR-ys2qs 8 ай бұрын

I have five LTRs and four 700Ps...some have the post-1982 Walker triggers (without the bolt lock tang) and some have the 40X (with the adjustment screw in front of the bolt release).

@Kyle-zz4mr Жыл бұрын

So I have a 700 adl in 30-06 Iv only shot it a few times with no issues. Should I just buy another trigger I didn’t pay for the gun but I do want a safe gun

@henerygreen578 Жыл бұрын

me to have a 30 06 from 1984 and thats why im here.....YES!!!! change the trigger better to be safe than sorry........ also there seems to be a problem with walker triggers in cold weather I've always been a nut for safety......

@Ghost-xi6js Жыл бұрын

The cold weather problem is that people put/get oil or grease on them and they gum up. STOP putting oil/grease on/in the trigger mechanism.

@nycupperes 4 ай бұрын

What are your thoughts on the triggertech drop ins?

@AKBAKWUDS 4 ай бұрын

exceptional trigger pull, but not compatible with Remington bolt locking safeties which I prefer. Also the housing is aluminum like the Timney, which may be fine but after seeing the egged holes on the Timney makes me a little cautious. I prefer Shilen triggers for aftermarket, compatible with Remington safeties and steel housing.

@buddy22801012 7 ай бұрын

Why doesn’t one of the trigger companies or Remington just make a new trigger with the trigger and trigger connector as one piece. Instead of buying a complete trigger assembly you could just change the trigger that has the connector permanently attached?.

@alexandercluster3003 3 ай бұрын

Its a reason the new Remarms remingtons are coming with timney triggers. On the other Hand givin my experience with my brand new 700 CDl id say Remarms is running things just as poorly as anyone else. Do yourselves a favor and stay away from New Remingtons and if you buy a vintage one just replace the dang on trigger. Its a easy job anyone can do it.

@mikeharrison9980 Ай бұрын

So it is a .356 screw,what is the thread pitch?

@AKBAKWUDS Ай бұрын

No, it is a #3 screw, 56 TPI

@REDNECKROOTS 6 ай бұрын

The Remington trigger is unsafe in below freezing temperatures. I've tested this in depth. It's a issue

@bertwutzke6155 6 ай бұрын

We can't hear you

@REDNECKROOTS 6 ай бұрын

Has nothing to do with adjustment its cold weather in tolerate.

@franksanchietti7108 9 ай бұрын

3:40p.m Is that why Remington went tp Timney triggers? I HOPE That our paths don't cross in a hunting or shooting situation! Anybody banking on using epoxy in a trigger job somehow is not right

@garyh1449 9 ай бұрын

Did you watch the video? Did you happen to see a screw used to hold it together?