Remington-Rider Magazine Pistol

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Remington-Rider Magazine Pistol

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One of many firearms developed for Remington by Joseph Rider was the Rider Magazine Pistol - a manually operated 5-shot repeater chambered for the .32 extra-short rimfire cartridge (the same round used by the Chicago Palm Protector). It used a tube magazine under the barrel and a simple but clever vertically shifting breechblock to give an impressive amount of firepower in small (and particularly flat and narrow) package. About 15,000 of these were made between 1871 and 1888, and they represent one of the few American uses of a tube magazine in a handgun - a combination more popular in Austria (and which was instrumental in the development of semiautomatic handguns there).
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@sarjim4381 7 жыл бұрын

If Remington made a reproduction in .22LR with four or five rounds, I'd buy one. Neat little gun.

@flightlesschicken7769 5 жыл бұрын

Would need to be longer I'd imagine.

@d3734 5 жыл бұрын

22 short would work a lot better, because 22 lr bullets are exactly an inch long. So it would need a 5 inch+ barrel for 5 shots...

@GrasshopperKelly 5 жыл бұрын

@@d3734 remmember, the shell has to be pushed into the tray by the spring, and the action move far enough back to fit the length of each shell aswell. So even with just 4 rounds, you'll have a 6-7" long pistol including the grip

@d3734 5 жыл бұрын

Grasshopper K And compare that to an NAA mini revolver, I have a Black Widow and it is under 6 inches total with 5 shots of 22 _magnum_. And that thing is quite accurate and even has adjustable sights. But I think a recreation of this gun would be a cool range toy for sure.

@GrasshopperKelly 5 жыл бұрын

@@d3734 a modern replica with minimal editing would be fantastic. Especially if Remington try sticking to hand crafting where necessary. As and Engineer, I'm all for using digital and mechanical everything for manufacture. But as a carpenter, and also an engineer. I understand why it's not physically possible to recreate exact replicas of things like the NASA F1 engine. Over 60% of the construction used hand welds. The F1A1 blueprints today, took 2 decades of trial and error to make a modern equivelant, for today's tools and skill sets.

@crazyirishmedic9535 7 жыл бұрын

I would take one in .22 short or a caliber that is still made in a heartbeat.

@CommodoreFan64 7 жыл бұрын

Same, make it cheap, and cheerful, with a few modern touches, and this would make a great pocket carry gun for times you did not want to be loaded down with something heavier, but just enough to make a good "gut buster" defense weapon.

@esper6119 5 жыл бұрын

absolutely even if not for defense, just the nifty mechanism would make for fun plinking i'm sure

@evanwickstrom5698 4 жыл бұрын

.50 AE or bust

@reallydontlikethem 4 жыл бұрын

@@evanwickstrom5698 does it take glock magazines? can I get it in 300. winmag

@generalkenobi4509 2 жыл бұрын

@@evanwickstrom5698 nah i was thinking about .30-06 or .45-70

@BradMurray 3 жыл бұрын

Man, this is SO CLOSE to an autoloading design -- I can't imagine it would need to change much to have that cocking lever come back on blowback/recoil.

@generalkenobi4509 2 жыл бұрын

Ikr! Edit: if it were/if there was another model but semi auto that would be like my favorite pistol ever

@thewaraboo2824 7 жыл бұрын

Why is it that Remington could make a successful unconventional pistol 130 years ago, but can't make a successful conventional pistol today?

@GrasshopperKelly 5 жыл бұрын

Those staff at Remington are either a pot of Ash, or 6 foot under unfortunately....

@dr.johnpaladinshow9747 5 жыл бұрын

Our society in decay.

@stans977 4 жыл бұрын

because it's hard....lol

@amanaje4743 4 жыл бұрын

@@dr.johnpaladinshow9747 or because most of the good engineers and designers are well... dead?

@jonesclantd 4 жыл бұрын

Freedom Group, that's why

@sudmuck 7 жыл бұрын

They need to put this gun back into production! A magazine-fed deringer-like gun? Whats not to love?

@SporkmanBW 7 жыл бұрын

For the time, that has to be one of the best concealed-carry pistols available. Not a huge punch, but it's not outright anemic and you've got more than a couple shots to work with.

@DEP717 7 жыл бұрын

I have one of these. A relative a long ways back was a riverboat gambler. I love the thumb action, have never seen another one out there until now. It is unbelievably slick and second nature. Mad respect to your ability to find rare pieces. My magazine lacks spring and follower. Neat to finally see an intact one.

@highlandoutsider8148 7 жыл бұрын

nice revel of the sights there, managed to keep that all sneaky till the end, well played sir. lol

@EnLaMatrix1 5 жыл бұрын

A baby lever-action!? **puts monocle back on** Truly marvelous!

@Jesses001 7 жыл бұрын

You know, if you make that longer so it can accept about 4 or 5 rounds of a modern caliber like .32ACP or .32NAA, and I think that would still sell today as a conceal option. I mean, North American Arms still sells the hell out of their little single action revolvers. This could compete well with those revolvers.

@frankatchison2519 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah' a flat nosed cartridge would work. A .22 rimfire would be cool too.

@sjwsarepathetic6287 2 жыл бұрын

.22 Short would be practical for this design.

@Ezio_Auditore_Assassin 3 жыл бұрын

This gun has really incredibly awesome design! I think modern gun manufacturer should reproduce it!

@slaughterhound8793 5 жыл бұрын

You can really see the "Remington" in this one, reminds me of a tiny Rolling Block, with the way the action works.

@howardmaryon-davis666 4 жыл бұрын

Your comment about the lack of engraving reminds me of a conversation with a master engrave here in England. We were talking about modern mass-produced shotguns that are covered in embossed or acid etched “engraving” and I asked why the manufacturers did not leave the guns just plain? He replied that it was more time-consuming to finish a gun perfect “in the white” finish to cover up any minor cosmetic imperfections, and putting on sometimes overdone embellishment actually made the guns cheaper to make.

@dogwhisperer5956 7 жыл бұрын

That thing needs a revamp n re-release

@phileas007 7 жыл бұрын

like almost every other gun on this channel !!!

@aspenfacer-valentine4397 7 жыл бұрын

+Laird Cummings Or .25 ACP, if you want to market it for self defense rather than a range toy. It isn't much more powerful, but people kind of sneer upon the concept of using rimfire for self defense.

@CommodoreFan64 7 жыл бұрын

+Laird Cummings Also don't forget a few more inches over, and former President Roland Reagan would have been killed with a Röhm RG-14 .22LR blue steel revolver had it hit him right in the heart. You just need to be a good shot with .22 short and .22LR for it to be effective, but hit someone in the knee caps with .22LR at a short distance with a small hidden .22LR pistol, and you will at least drop them to their knees no doubt.

@SuperFunkmachine 7 жыл бұрын

Add a grip safety and under barrel laser.

@SuperFunkmachine 7 жыл бұрын

25 acp is better for some conversions being centre fire.

@aransmeallie5344 7 жыл бұрын

phwoar, this is one of the coolest pistols ive seen on here in a while

@killerpeaches7 7 жыл бұрын

Agreed, The White pistols, etc, really didn't hit my interest, though the little full auto 22 from mexico was neat. But this is one I wish somebody would make a modern version of, I think in a modern caliber it would make a neat competitor to the bond arms derringers, NAA mini revolvers, etc.

@ThePandoraGuy 7 жыл бұрын

I want to size it up to 9mm, with a of course longer barrel, a detachable tube mag and bigger grip, just for shits and giggles. Gentlemen, we have the technology to rebuild the Remington Rider Pistol. Better than it was before. Better... Stronger... Faster.

@ThePandoraGuy 7 жыл бұрын

@keith_moore: And how do you lock this monstrosity? You whould need a locking mechanism like the Desert Eagle or AR-15 to lock safely, we should stay in realistic, achieveable dimensions. Biggest we could make it safely is .375 Magnum but a soft mix.

@One-Armed-Un-Boxer 7 жыл бұрын

Don't forget what happens when Remington tries to "upgrade" old classics.

@killerpeaches7 7 жыл бұрын

Considering the ballistic worthlessness of both those choices, I'd still pass. 32 ACP would make a nice compromise between the extremes.

@fuzzydunlop7928 7 жыл бұрын

That'd be a real sleeper of a CC pistol. EDIT: SPOILER ALERT: When Ian turned the firearm sideways and revealed the aperture sight, my whimsy could barely be contained.

@johnasbury7511 4 жыл бұрын

Actually you wouldn't need a permit it's made before the U.S. government deems it modern firearms

@mauer594 4 жыл бұрын

@@johnasbury7511 In many states you still need a CC permit to carry antique firearms.

@mikesummers-smith4091 6 жыл бұрын

From another field, "This example of this book commands a premium price - it hasn't been signed by the author."

@DK-nv9zu 4 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the North American Arms mini revolvers. Surprisingly fun to plink with

@christianpaul3303 3 жыл бұрын

A quick search finds that there are in fact companies still producing brass in .32 cal extra short - if you don't mind paying $3-$4 a round. This looks like it would be very reliable as well. Handsome little gun.

@Daemascus 7 жыл бұрын

Glad I clicked, thought it was just a two shot.

@richardelliott9511 4 жыл бұрын

Rewatching this, I am wondering if a full size version with a King's loading gate could have given the revolver a run for it's money. You can't run a Volcanic with one hand, a major down fall, this you can! Ah, the possibilities?

@JiuJitsuCowboy1 7 жыл бұрын

This show is awesome, reminds me of Tales of the Gun before the history channel turned to garbage

@jakerelind5577 7 жыл бұрын

Never thought I'd come across someone else that watched that series.

@JiuJitsuCowboy1 7 жыл бұрын

Everyday after school from about 4th grade till they changed the afternoon line up, then always when I happened to catch it on. That was when you could actually learn things from watching the history channel.

@exist7415 5 жыл бұрын

Garbage indeed

@richarddixon7276 4 жыл бұрын

I used to Love that show , it was only shown for a couple of series here in the UK , I wondered where it had gone .

@user-ik2kj7sj7f 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a large fan of this channel, the products you display, and the no-nonsense delivery you have. Thank You!

@Em-qc6sl 7 жыл бұрын

Man I really need one

@Em-qc6sl 7 жыл бұрын

Oh ok thx man

@rolthox 7 жыл бұрын

Paul Ainsworth How'd you end up here?

@Em-qc6sl 7 жыл бұрын

Yeah i know i just read the other comments 😅

@cudwieser3952 7 жыл бұрын

Ian's got a special wand. When did you get the little Fibre Optic Torch for looking through barrels?

@SgtKOnyx 7 жыл бұрын

Colum Peel this looks close shop.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/bore-lights/militaria-borelight-sku622000002-54129-105602.aspx?cm_mmc=PPC-_-Itwine-_-Google-_-622-000-002&gclid=COGo_pfIq9MCFQYJaQodtm4D-g

@moonrazk 7 жыл бұрын

I'm glad he did that, I mentioned it'd be a good idea for him to carry one around a little while ago, many times he'd want to show something on the inside of a gun and say "you can't really see it but it's there".

@cudwieser3952 7 жыл бұрын

$6 well spent :)

@CommodoreFan64 7 жыл бұрын

You could also just make one if you have an old small pen light laying around your shop, and some soft clear tubing.

@ToastyMozart 7 жыл бұрын

+moonra Now all he needs is a set of snap-caps.

@flavortown3781 5 жыл бұрын

Would 100% carry this if it was the only other option to revolvers tbh this is slicker than any of the rig triggers imo I don't think it would have enough power to really use the sights in a defensive situation but for parlor tricks it'd be fun.

@robertkubrick3738 4 жыл бұрын

Being gutshot by anything was a death sentence, possibly delayed/lingering.

@Gurren813 4 жыл бұрын

Hidden sidearm for our new mandalorian friend, perhaps? Also, could you "Fan the Hammer" on this thing. it's funny to think about someone doing that.

@NetVoyagerOne 5 жыл бұрын

I would love to see that mechanism on a tube-fed carbine, replacing a lever action. You wouldn't need to take your finger off the trigger, or tilt the gun while laying prone with it.

@mmercier0921 4 жыл бұрын

Some of the most beautiful things are the most simple.

@gabenplznerf1093 7 жыл бұрын

This is a pretty slick little plinker

@jacobstaten2366 5 жыл бұрын

I want some tube fed semiautomatic pistols so you can top off, especially 10 round capacity for our brothers in California.

@killerpeaches7 7 жыл бұрын

Would love to see a modernized version, in a modern cf caliber, even at the cost of capacity. Seems like a slick design.

@Mbartel500 2 жыл бұрын

Very clever design and quite an attractive piece. This period in firearms development saw many creative designs of small pocket pistols. This little beauty would hide quite well in a vest pocket or in a lady's purse.

@tangero3462 7 жыл бұрын

This is one of few old pieces like this that I now absolutely have to have

@jeremym785 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for all your videos.

@Asgar1205 7 жыл бұрын

lol, opened the page being like "maybe there is something new" -> uploaded 44 seconds ago :D

@badcallsign4204 7 жыл бұрын

What a nice little pistol! I bet if I was around back then, I would be a big Remington fan.

@lidanasab9767 3 жыл бұрын

Your voice is extremely therapeutic Ian

@jerrydonquixote5927 2 жыл бұрын

Good review Ian and very interesting gun. I just remembered my dad used to have in the seventies a book of guns of the old west, and it had some cool looking guns, some that I've never seen in a KZfaq review or anywhere else and I was just thinking how much I used to love to look at that every now and then. I would just admire those guns and wonder what it would be like to shoot one or have one or whatever and now to get to see all these guns on KZfaq is just really nice. I've got to shoot a fair amount of unique and interesting guns in my day as well.

@kahunamcd1 7 жыл бұрын

The lever action volcanic pistol was tube gun as well

@OnlyKaerius 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe that's why there weren't a lot of tube fed pistols, bad rep.

@georgewhitworth9742 2 жыл бұрын

@@OnlyKaerius More likely that the revolvers just worked, and there wasn't a need to expand on repeating pistols

@WalkaCrookedLine 6 жыл бұрын

Notice the band-aid on Ian's left ring finger. Ian frequently seems to have various scrapes and cuts on his hands in these videos. I don't think he gets as much credit as he deserves for putting his skin on the line for our benefit.

@unspokentruths6416 5 жыл бұрын

That is such a cool little gun.

@llljustcallhimdave 7 жыл бұрын

Came to this video after watching the video on the Oerlikon 20mm Antiaircraft Cannon, talk about going from one extreme to the other.

@timhofstetter5654 4 жыл бұрын

That's really a pretty brilliant cartridge exchange system.

@4.0.4 4 жыл бұрын

This is so simple and elegant.

@drmaudio 7 жыл бұрын

A tiny little lever gun. I like it!

@binkbonkbones3402 4 жыл бұрын

I could see this being adapted for a modern clip and working quite well

@workingguy6666 7 жыл бұрын

I like it. Thanks for highlighting it.

@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming 7 жыл бұрын

All these somewhat simple guns you guys feature,something like that would be such an interesting piece for any collector if someone made some for .22 short or other mouse gun cartridges,arguably it might be a better option than some mouse gun revolvers.

@spef7396 7 жыл бұрын

another totally epic vid

@TomCamComedy 7 жыл бұрын

Paul Ainsworth don't be mean

@brynmontague3792 7 жыл бұрын

i love your profile pic xD

@rymanjones3 7 ай бұрын

such a cool gun.

@troy9477 7 жыл бұрын

Neat design. Great use of space. Was the 32 long rimfire ever made with, say, a 3 shot capacity? I suspect years later it could have been made in 32 S&W (short), which has the advantage of being centerfire. a 4 shot one would be a nice little package. Or 5, but the barrel and mag tube would have to be a little longer. The sights are great- the designer was thinking. If caseless ammo ever takes off, one could make a modern version in say 38 cal and u wouldn't have to make provision for ejecting. That would be really interesting

@davidsachs4883 3 жыл бұрын

Looking in Barnes’s “cartridges of the world” the 32 extra short has a case length of .398” and a cartridge length of .645”. In metric that’s just over 10mm and 16mm. Very stubby cartridges Bullet weight was 54-60 grains, so just under 4 grams, with a powder charge of 5 to 5.5 grains. Estimated muzzle velocity about 650 ft/sec or compost 200 m/sec. estimated energy is 51 ft/lbs. for comparison a 22 short from a pistol has 68-72 ft/lbs depending on the manufacturer

@natedunn51 7 жыл бұрын

that bore light was really cool

@LeminskiTankscor 7 жыл бұрын

Beautiful, and look actually practical.

@dtcb1 5 жыл бұрын

wow! a brilliant piece of mechanics!

@flmail7126 5 жыл бұрын

Such an amazing piece of craftmanship! Very cool gun, I'd like to own one but I guess it's pretty expensive

@badazzmaro Жыл бұрын

This one's really cool I have to say

@daviddonaghy7568 4 жыл бұрын

I used to have one. Was given to me by an old man I knew. Had to sell it when times got tough.

@pommel47 7 жыл бұрын

The Czech Great Guns double barrel percussion derringer has a similar , though larger, silhouette. You can watch it on our Hungarian friend's Cap & Ball channel.

@alfredosantanabarrientos6580 4 жыл бұрын

They should make a .22 short modern version... It's little, and very concealable...

@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming 4 жыл бұрын

This could actually be an interesting concept using a stubby necked cartrige

@OnlyKaerius 3 жыл бұрын

Hmm something like a .380 necked down to .32?

@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming 3 жыл бұрын

@@OnlyKaerius perhaps, or maybe even smaller into .25 or .22 territory

@robertbogan225 7 жыл бұрын

A version in 22 short would be shootable not sure where anyone could find 32 extra short it would be fun shooting shorts out of this

@MrFlathead45 5 жыл бұрын

.32 x-short is probably more expensive than the gun that shoots it. Lol

@seanlewis66 4 жыл бұрын

One in 22 short would be a nice keychain gun some one trys to car jack you you act like you're handing them your keys and boom no more knee caps

@fsgtadZ 7 жыл бұрын

Is it bad that I want a reproduction scaled up to 9mm as a novelty?

@jaxxons11 6 жыл бұрын

Thomas Doyle why stop at 9? I say scale one up to something ridiculous like .41AE or 10MM and make heads explode.

@ezekielglenn5009 5 жыл бұрын

Not entirely in 380 or 9mm it could make a nice conceal Carry option it could make a mini revolver sized but more powerful. It could be made into a simple semi auto configuration 2+1 9mm version or 3 +1 380 version

@lesio80 6 жыл бұрын

An amazing little thing.

@kevinangus4848 3 ай бұрын

I'm not a gun owner, but a huge fan of odd designs. I would love to have seen more of its innards, but NEEDED to see at least one .32 EXTRA short bullet!! I wanted to go, "jeez, who'd've thot" . 😁

@lukehorning3404 9 күн бұрын

Very cool I think it’s kinda neat

@jasonadams1632 7 жыл бұрын

Amazing item and video as always.

@calvingreene90 4 жыл бұрын

Operates like a single action revolver but very slim. Very nice.

@the51project 3 жыл бұрын

I can still remember my disappointment when I discovered 'the muff pistol' was simply designed to fit inside a hand warmer.

@generalkenobi4509 2 жыл бұрын

Whats the muff pistol? :0

@D3faulted1 7 жыл бұрын

Looks like it's only a step or two from being a self loader. Scale it up a bit, add a dis-connector, trigger guard, and make it a blow back.

@Tiger351 7 жыл бұрын

Anyone else thinking this is only a few steps away from making a repeating rolling block rifle?

@garyneilson1833 7 жыл бұрын

Great looking gun, I was wondering how small the cartridges would have been ?

@Halinspark 7 жыл бұрын

It's funny that the tiny concealed carry defense pistol has better sights than most things we see from that time.

@daveweller9579 5 жыл бұрын

Very clever design

@RevOwOlutionary 4 жыл бұрын

That's the most adorable magazine I've ever seen.

@Heidegaff 5 жыл бұрын

Well, the construction is fairly simple. Why aren't modern replicas/improvements of this design? This seems like the most efficient pocket pistol ever made.

@DAKOTA56777 5 жыл бұрын

Because tube mags are bad for maintaining capacity while having the size be small. Even in .22LR you'd need a mag tube of 5inches just for 5 rounds, well, a little more than 5 inches since you'd need room for the spring and follower as well. So you get the idea, put the reciever and grips on, and you have something like a 7inch long pistol just for 5 rounds of .22LR. Scaling it up to something like 9mm you'd only have like 4 shots in the mag for a gun that size. It'd be viable, but it would be outclassed by normal box magazine guns, which also have the benefit of faster reloads with multiple mags. That said, why aren't they made for recreational purposes is the bigger question, I'd totally buy one for the novelty.

@robertpapps3618 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing!

@HadToChangeMyName_YoutubeSucks 7 жыл бұрын

Good thing it's rifled and has sights since I expect that .32 extra short would probably bounce off off a moderately heavy wool shirt. Probably better than just throwing a golf ball sized rock, but not by much.

@aljr357 7 жыл бұрын

Ohh that would look so good blued. If I could afford it I definitely would be bidding on that one.

@allanfulton8922 2 жыл бұрын

I think I'd definitely prefer a higher powered Derringer with 2 shots rather than 5 shots that you really have to get up close to use

@michaelc.4321 7 жыл бұрын

Ah man I love these things

@joranvandersluis 5 жыл бұрын

despite of all the modern consealed carry pistols you see nowadays, i find this one far more nice.

@madzak9847 6 жыл бұрын

it is soooo sad that you dont shoot this antiques :(

@willrun4fun 7 жыл бұрын

Super neat.

@evilscience3164 Жыл бұрын

Quite interesting indeed.

@FroggyMudcat 4 жыл бұрын

A modern tube fed pistol would be badass

@braydenh190 7 жыл бұрын

Very cool weapon. Nice Video!

@stewartmatthews1551 4 жыл бұрын

Nice awesome gun it's to bad that there are not alot of them

@tonlito22 7 жыл бұрын

It's so weird being reminded how long the Vetterli rifle was around.

@generalkenobi4509 2 жыл бұрын

That is the coolest little thing everrr Edit: one day when i become a gunsmith, im gonna make one myself in .22lr! I will not be stopped >:)

@dr.johnpaladinshow9747 5 жыл бұрын

Possibly the coolest firearm on FW to date. I REALLY like this gun!! I'd like one in.38 Special or even .25 auto. Maybe 9mm or....

@BIG-DIPPER-56 2 жыл бұрын

COOL ! ! ! That's a cute little pistol ! ! ! 🙂😎👍

@Crazyllamahobo 7 жыл бұрын

Do you think this could have potentially been changed to be semi-auto? it seems like if you didn't lock the breech-bolt thing, and possibly beef it up a bit to increase the weight as well as mabe a stronger spring, it could have functioned as a blowback pistol, seeing as it fires a weak cartridge. Although, it is small and i'm not sure if you could make that bolt heavy enough to be safe or reliable. Still, maybe making the gun a bit bigger may have made that a possibility. > The reason I say it is because it seems like it's almost all there, cycling the breech-bolt cocks the hammer, extracts empty case and chambers a new one, it's just manually operated.

@Crazyllamahobo 7 жыл бұрын

FuLLeFFekT1 No, just enlarge the gun to allow a heavier bolt, keeping basically the same mechanism (minus the locking of the bolt) just bigger.

@ToastyMozart 7 жыл бұрын

If you kept it low-power (25 or 32 ACP) and adjusted the return spring, I could see it sorta working as a simple blowback (no locking required). Though I have to wonder whether the rotary nature of the action would be a problem, and you'd probably want to modify the ejector or add a deflector or something to keep the casings from flying straight back at you. That's a pretty soft "maybe" though.

@hanelyp1 6 жыл бұрын

To work as a straight blowback would require adding several ounces to the bolt. A delayed blowback mechanism of some kind might be interesting.