Remington's Response to CNBC Under Fire

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13 жыл бұрын

I was contacted by Remington to upload this. Personally ive never had these problems and also the public witch trials that the media was carrying out against the company pissed me off so here. Fuck em

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@joedirte1029 8 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry for the Barber family's loss. But they lost their son because someone failed to keep the gun pointed in a safe direction. Period.

@matthewdisanti425 7 жыл бұрын

A gun shouldn't fire if the trigger isn't pulled. Period.

@joedirte1029 7 жыл бұрын

Agreed. But not touching the trigger doesn't mean I can break other rules of gun safety.

@phillhuddleston9445 7 жыл бұрын

And if the trigger wasn't "improved" tampered with it likely wouldn't have discharged.

@SPAZTICCYTOPLASM 7 жыл бұрын

Doesn't matter. Trigger pulled or not. A gun is to be treated like it's shooting a lazer out of the barrel at all times. Don't point the lazer at anything you're not willing to lose.

@rizzorizzo2311 7 жыл бұрын

Joe Dirte and in big part because Remington decided to put profits in front of safety for decades. And finally the company was forced to admit that. It only took thousands of lawsuits.

@melskaggs2210 9 жыл бұрын

if you screw with the operating mechanism, don`t complain when you have issues.

@JoeZasada 10 жыл бұрын

1. treat all firearms as if they are loaded. (you could stop right there if everyone followed that rule) 2. never point a firearm at something you don't want to kill (that would be the backup to number 1) 3. keep your finger off the trigger and out of the trigger guard until you are aimed and have made the decision to shoot (even if this rule fails in this case, the other two should keep a tragedy from happening) 4. know your target and what is beyond it - where will the projectile stop?

@janno142 8 жыл бұрын

Didn't they have recalls!! It's hard to argue with Mr. Walker's story, it looks very legit.

@spencersmith7583 9 жыл бұрын

Its hard to dispute what Mr. Walker said, he designed the rifle. Realized an error then designed a 17 cent fix and Remington did nothing. As a Nurse who works with many elderly people I can tell you 99.9 have very high work ethic and will admit mistakes when they make them. Mr. Walker was the smoking gun that their is a problem with the 700s trigger. I dont care what Remington clams, I trust Mr. Walker, he designed it, attempted to fix it when he found his error, and was told no. I guess Mr. Walker is not as respected by Remington Arms as they would like us to believe. After all, he was ignored by managment.

@c.potter1309 8 жыл бұрын

+Spencer Smith : Walker's fix was to have the safety lock the trigger so that it couldn't be pulled. That would not have prevented the discharges that CNBC is claiming happened, since they claim the rifle was firing without the trigger pulled. CNBC is basically throwing spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks, typical of anti-gun media.

@lakerboy16 7 жыл бұрын

Exactly, what benefit would CNBC get out of trying to discredit Mr. Walker, when all he did was try and improve the mechanism of the rifle over the next 30 years? Did everybody and their granny think that he was just that bored???

@kasim12341kasim 9 жыл бұрын

That new Recall tho.......... which is contrary to what Remington was saying in the past

@ShifTac 8 жыл бұрын

How about not loading the rifle when you're not in the shooting range? That seems like a safe idea

@tryduck6993 8 жыл бұрын

+Jonas Sandicho Not using this rifle anywhere other then shooting range is more like it.At least there barrel can always be pointed down range to unload should it fire while unloading. Just to much of a issue to allow its use anywhere else...There is no safe place to point a weapon that does this when your not at a shooting range...

@GaragebuiltOriginal 8 жыл бұрын

+try duck firearms arent bought solely for range shooting.. gun safety lies solely on the user but gun control activists like you will never understand this...

@VanPrepper 10 жыл бұрын

I think the fact that Remington has issued a recall of many 700 rifles for possible faulty trigger problem which could lead to negligent discharge is pretty much an admission that this problem exists and this rebuttal by them is clearly not representative of the truth.

@Mr2ndAmendment 8 жыл бұрын

It's a known occurrence with the M24s we got. We got dudes who, at the range, pushed the safety forward and it discharged. I think this is less about the design of the trigger and perhaps more about the neglect and abuse of military hardware, over decades of use with many tens of thousands of rounds being fired, possibly combined with new-age MIM (metal injection molded) parts and other cost-saving production methods. I doubt a civilian rifle would ever have this problem unless something really bad got missed in quality control and left the factory when it shouldn't have -a very rare occurrence.

@JimBering1 8 жыл бұрын

Funny, I have never heard of a Winchester Model 70 having this problem or any other rifle for that matter. It is a problem that is unique to 700s. They are POS and there are a lot better rifles available built by reputable companies unlike Remington.

@Mr2ndAmendment 8 жыл бұрын

Jim B I think modern production methods killed the M700, just like many other models and types of guns were devalued. Nowadays FN makes the M70, so you know it's going to be a quality rifle, but the modern M700 uses MIM parts and other "corner-cutting" practices compared to the competent builds using quality materials of the past. A standard M700 out of the box will perform pretty decently, but Remington no longer has the monopoly on accuracy and quality. I think Savage owns that now with their lower-cost rifles that are well-made with sub-MOA out of the box. It's funny how times change things, there was a time when Savage was known for being junk -you just got to keep up with each company and their ups and downs as time goes on. I'd rather buy a M70 than a M700 at this point in time, you can't beat FN quality in all things -that's the one arms maker that has never made crap in my opinion. Before I bought a M70 though I'd go for a Savage, just doesn't make any sense to go anywhere else considering what they're offering for the money, but subject to change with time of course.

@JimBering1 8 жыл бұрын

Mr2nd, Take a look at Kimber too. I agree with you on FN but Kimber also has a good rifle and it's light, very light. They had accuracy problems years ago but they have seemed to have fixed that. The Kimber design is kind of a cross between a Model 70 and and 700 in that it functions like a Model 70 with controlled round feed and a three place safety but it has a tubular receiver and a non-intergral recoil lug like a 700. Not as esthetically as pleasing as a Model 70 perhaps but you can only see it if you take the rifle apart and it hell, it works. Neither of mine have ever gone off without pulling the trigger and I have never heard of anyone else's doing that. FN makes one hell of a sniper rifle, the SPR A3G that they guarantee will shoot 1/2" MOA. I believe the FBI adopted it. It is really a Winchester Model 70 with a McMillan fully bedded stock. Yes, FN knows how to make firearms.

@Mr2ndAmendment 8 жыл бұрын

I'm not in the market for a bolt gun right now but I've always respected Kimber's 1911s and their bolt guns looked good -pricey, but quality. The first time I saw one was when I worked the gun counter at Cabelas, I guess I was embarrassed but I hadn't realized they made anything besides 1911s. Because of the price and availability problems, I've never known anyone who had one and I've never sold one to a customer either, but I'm sure they're probably great rifles if their 1911s are any indication. I'll probably get a precision bolt gun after the next deployment when I got more $$$ to spend, but for now it's all AR.

@joethe33 7 жыл бұрын

Armorer here, I have NEVER had an incident with the fire control mechanism of the Remington 700. All rifles that I have armorered have forgone routine maintenance. I would look into Remington specifically regarding the use of MIM parts and Military/DOD contract firearms, as I'm sure they use a completely different standard for quality and build control. As for how it relates to this story, there are many reports of users altering sear or disconnectors in an attempt to "refine" the trigger. This should only be done by a certified gunsmith at the Remington factory.

@nicokwapper 8 жыл бұрын

Its not complicated... You never point a gun at something you don't want to kill or destroy. Every gun in the world is mechanical, and mechanics can fail.

@GaragebuiltOriginal 8 жыл бұрын

yeah people are just lazy and blame the stuff they use when they use it improperly...

@JimmyDickens1 10 жыл бұрын

I have a Remington 700 that fires periodically when I move the safety lever from Safe to Fire. I have NEVER adjusted the trigger. My rifle does it when it's cold outside, making me wonder if the problem lies more with the metallurgy in the trigger assembly and not so much the trigger design itself.

@Me2Lancer 8 жыл бұрын

I'm pleased to read this rebuttal of the biased CNBC report. I attempted to reproduce the alleged malfunction on my Remington 700 BDL and was unable to do so. Closing the bolt with the safety off and the trigger pulled is an entirely different matter. When I took delivery of my model 700 I remember a note about the possibility of adjusting the trigger but that was a warning against anyone other than a qualified gunsmith doing so. Whether private citizen or law enforcement officer there's a temptation to deny a negligent discharge. As others have said, always treat the firearm as if loaded and never point the muzzle at anyone or anything you don't intend to fire upon. It's unfortunate that people have lost lives but proper maintenance, and handling prevent accidents.

@TYX91101 13 жыл бұрын

Don't own one but can the trigger mechanism be cleaned without complete disassembly? I know the bore and chamber are typically cleaned with a rod and jag. What else is required to maintain a 700?

@alankillian4962 8 жыл бұрын

you notice the time was taken to refinish the stock and tinker with the adjustments dut it looks to have a lack maintance; ie. heavy rust.

@lambdog76 13 жыл бұрын

@leoffensive have you priced the new 770s? they may be in your ballpark...

@sheeanmcguire4956 7 жыл бұрын

Your best safety is not having a live bullet in the chamber , it only takes 1-2seconds to load it and ready to shoot, not travel with a loaded gun. Keep the bullets or clip/mag near by.. Specially if you have loved ones near by.

@ScoutSniper3124 7 жыл бұрын

During our last graded night shoot for U.S.Army Sniper School, one of the Sniper students on the line fired his weapon after the Instructor called "Range Hot" but before the targets (held by other students in the firing pit) came up. The Soldier told the Instructors he had just taken the rifle off safe and it fired on it's own, but they felt he had negligently pulled the trigger. He was dropped from the course with just a few days left in training. We will never know if he got a raw deal or not, but I can verify our M-24's were a VERY light trigger. The bolt also had issues with falling out, we were instructed to always keep a rubber band around the bolt and stock to keep the bolt from being lost in the field. I'm disappointed that Remington seems to be overly defensive based on their past reputation, and the Marine has a lot of medals. I'd rather they find out EXACTLY what causes the safety / trigger to fail, if it's a trigger out of adjustment fine, then show a video of the trigger being out of adjustment and the failure occurring, AND issue corrective measures. Same goes with dirt or debris, cold and heat, types of oils, etc.. Just don't say "It's good because we're good" and let it go at that. You should NEVER go into a safety investigation with the focus on reasons NOT to look further. I know with both my issued M-24 (Iraq deployment 2004-2005) and my own custom built Remington 700 based sniper rifle (Speedco .308, heavy fluted barrel, McMillian stock, IOR Valdata scope), I would NEVER trust the safety on them. Better to keep the chamber EMPTY until you have a target in mind. SSG U.S.Army (Ret), Infantry / Sniper, multiple tours

@trevorgomez3343 7 жыл бұрын

The two best bolt rifles are the REMINGTON 700, and the Winchester m70 hands down. I have NEVER had ANY issues with either of these rifles. Remington 700s are completely safe if you don't adjust your trigger and keep you weapon CLEAN!

@ung427 11 жыл бұрын

Let's just put it this way. There are things you can do to ensure that the trigger will never fail. 1) Don't adjust the sear engagement wrong, 2) Don't adjust the trigger pull too low, 3) Don't push the trigger forward thus opening the gap between the connector and the trigger because dirt or something else (pieces of rust, grease with dirt, etc) can get in between the two causing sear engagement to be reduced. That brings the last thing: 4) Keep the trigger group clean and well maintained!

@VolunteerMinimum 13 жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting this. I saw that CNBC special and actually thought there was something to the story. Sounds like its a case of either ADs by contacting the trigger or modified trigger groups. Glad to know the stock remington 700 is perfectly safe.

@Mr1badxj 11 жыл бұрын

@killer44spl how do we know what condition the rifle was in when the camera went off? how do you know that the person shooting the rifle didnt messed with the trigger group by lighten the trigger pull and DIDNT CHECK THE SAFETY several times to make sure that it was safe to fire.

@trenace137 10 жыл бұрын

So much for any shred of remaining belief in truthfulness or quality from Remington. They most certainly are not recalling 800,000 rifles out of there being no problem with them. They've enjoyed the benefit of what the Communists called "useful idiots" who would label all unintended discharges (e.g., moving the safety into fire position with a loaded gun) as "negligent discharges" caused by the owner. People who didn't have the facts. And who would automatically believe a gun manufacturer, even Remington, just out of being a gun manufacturer and therefore automatically defending them. Crappy company, deceived the public. Sold me a rifle which according to them is NOT fit for the purpose for which it's sold. No refund offered, instead only having it go back to them for wait times which may be up to a year (they will not give any date whatsoever.) Never again. Total boycott of all Remington products on my part. (Had been extremely interested in the R51 but turns out it's bad too, but even if it weren't now I'll never buy anything from this company.

@trentwilson855 7 жыл бұрын

Remington hasn't had "quality" since the 80s. They've been bought more than a popular hooker and it shows. They're killing Marlin and just bought DPMS and axed their ARs. Remington buys companies so people have less and less companies to turn to besides Remington. They're junk and like Colt, will die once their military contracts dry up.

@556ChannelHD 11 жыл бұрын

what defect?

@tyronekim3506 7 жыл бұрын

I've had two Remington 700 BDLs in 300Win. Mag. and 25-06Rem. Both were very accurate. There is a possibilty of discharge with safety on and without a trigger pull. This may happen when, after many, rapid firing cycles, the rifle is very hot and not allowed to cool off, a round in the chamber "cooks off" from the heat of the chamber without a trigger pull. There will be no visible firing pin indentation mark on the primer due to the fact that the heat ignited the powder, not from the firing pin striking the primer. It is possible that the "cook off" occurred in this video. However, without looking at the primer this is unknowable. I personally experienced "cook off" in my 300 Win. mag. at a range. Fortunately, the cook off was harmless. Lesson learned: Don't shoot when your gun is hot - let the gun cool down.

@pcblah 12 жыл бұрын

how do you know?

@perki001 9 жыл бұрын

I've had my model 700 in 30-06 for 30 years, and have experienced the moment only once. After hunting on our property, my father in law and I were on the porch. I attempted to open the bolt to remove the round from the chamber. The bolt wouldn't open because the safety was on, which is normal operation. I pushed the safety off, and the rifle fired. Fortunately, the rifle was pointed skyward and away from the house. When that rifle discharged, it scared the bejeesus out of me. I'm not a gunsmith and have no interest in trying to be one. No one has done anything to that trigger before or after that incident. Many attempts to duplicate with no accidental discharge. But it only takes once.

@possumpopper89 12 жыл бұрын

I have personally seen the Remington 700 fire twice without pulling the trigger. One was a nearly new factory, unaltered rifle with the trigger sealant in place, the other was a custom rifle based on the 700 action with some trigger adjustment. Both rifles fired when the safety was turned off. It can and does happen! There is a reason Remington has recalled this trigger over and again. I must add however that no one got shot because the 4 basic safety rules were followed.

@231MasseyFerguson 7 жыл бұрын

I have this model. Went off on me years ago in a deer stand laying across my lap. Been in the closet ever since. I knew it wasn't my fault. The stuff about it on the news confirms it.

@JoeBrrFan 7 жыл бұрын

Why was your safety off while you were waiting? Didn't you take any classes?

@getsmarter82 11 жыл бұрын

First thing my dad ever taught me about machines (especially in the case of firearms) is that they will ALWAYS eventually fail; you just never know when. If it's guns, never assume the safety will work just because it's engaged, ALWAYS point in a safe direction. If it's a car don't assume the brakes will always work- that's why my drivers ed. instructor taught me to turn your wheels to the curb. Injuries from accidental discharges ONLY happen when the barrel is pointed in the wrong direction.

@Thanoric 7 жыл бұрын

When the developer of the trigger himself said it's possible and suggested a design fix, and they declined it because it cost pennies more.

@shekelton1955 7 жыл бұрын

The M40 is a winchester model 70, not a remington. Issues probably due to lack of cleaning and the firing pin getting sticky with residue.

@JustinJJHCS1 12 жыл бұрын

Ok important safety tip 1. Never keep a Loaded Fire arm in the house. 2. ALWAYS Point ANY fire arm away from ANYONE.

@urwingcon7795 7 жыл бұрын

I had a Remington 700 ADL in 222 in the 70's when I was young. It was chambered in 222, when I would have a round chambered and the safety on the weapon would discharge as soon as the safety was pushed to the fire position. My finger was no where near the trigger guard or the trigger. Years later I found that this was a problem with some 700's of that time period. Gun was super accurate and would own a 700 again without question.

@DudeNumberOnePlus 7 жыл бұрын

The simple truth is, the Walker trigger system makes it possible to happen. The safety blocks the sear, which has negative engagement with firing pin. If the trigger connector is not under the sear, the firing pin drops as soon as the safety is switched off. This is serious design flaw which makes those accidental discharges possible.

@Otaku155 12 жыл бұрын

I have been an Appraiser of Firearms for 6 years. Every time I appraise a 700 series rifle, I attempt to replicate this problem as a matter of course. I have NEVER encountered this problem with ANY properly maintained 700 rifle, and even on trying to cause it, it has NEVER happened to me. When a firearms owner fails to exercise due care and maintenance, then weapons will malfunction regardless of quality. What happened to Mrs. Barber was tragic to say the least, but it was HER FAULT.

@johniac7078 13 жыл бұрын

they changed the trigger anyway. the x-mark pro does not have the issues raised with theoretical problems of the walker trigger. were there REAL problems? maybe, maybe not, but who the hell knows what people do to their rifles.......

@TheDiceAreLoaded 13 жыл бұрын

Thanks for passing along this video!

@xmrpaintx1 10 жыл бұрын

i inherited a model 770 in 30-06 from my grandfather about a year ago, and I had seen the documentary prior to getting the rifle. I have tried to reproduce the 'AD' and got nothing. For me at least, this is a extremely accurate and reliable rifle. You shouldn't be taking the safety off unless you are pointed at a target anyway.

@ncflyfisher 13 жыл бұрын

Excellent, informative reply from Remington and my thanks for posting this video! With your permission I like to your video to other firearm forums to spread the word. Our press and media need reports such as this to show the "real" truth. Has anyone emailed CNBC this report?

@royceewalt4168 9 жыл бұрын

Bottom line: No gun should EVER fire with the safety "on", nor should it be made to have to take the safety "off" to unload. It does not matter who the manufacturer is, the 10 commandments, or how great the rest of the engineering of the product is. Remington seems to have handled this whole situation weather it be defective product or poor product representation and awareness to its loyal customers at the very minimum. Remington has made many wonderful safe products just as many companies do that are enjoyed by millions without mishap. I will continue to use mine, but use this information wisely thank to awareness. Accidents do and will always happen with any product. Many times it is simple rules or proper handling were not followed. I am pro gun that supports certain limitations. I am pro safety and responsibility even more or you do NOT even touch one! I do not agree that firearm companies cannot be subject to recalls nor do not know if this is even a true statement from the documentary. Any manufacturer of any product should be subject to forced recalls under strict criteria or guidelines to warrant for specific corrective action of a potential dangerous problem but cannot be used to further subdue or restrict a company from making similar safe products. I deeply feel for the people and families that have been affected by accidental gun fire for any reason or any other mishap of any other products involving injury or loss of life.

@cjman7 11 жыл бұрын

Even WITH regular maintenance and upkeep of a car's brakes, brake pads WILL wear out and need to be replaced. The thing about most firearms, is that they will never go through the wear and tear that brakes do and so are less likely than brakes to fail. Almost all of firearms accidents/injuries are caused by improper adjustment/maintenance or gross misuse of the firearm. Proper firearm safety and discipline should be enforced at all times regardless of whether the firearm is loaded or unloaded.

@ung427 11 жыл бұрын

The safety blocks the sear not the firing pin or the trigger, and there is a floating connector that can if something gets caught in between it and the trigger will reduce sear engagement. The trigger is fully adjustable therefore you can adjust sear engagement, overtravel, and trigger weight. If you adjust the trigger weight too low, and disengage the triggerweight spring then the trigger will not automatically come back. If you then set the safety it will block the sear, allowing the

@Buddyspike11 8 жыл бұрын

I have a Remington 700 and have never once had any problems with the rifle that weren't my fault or the round in the rifle Idk about other models or even other 700s but mine works fine.

@tryduck6993 8 жыл бұрын

+2 4 3 is me I don't think its ALL of them, then again all the rifles/pieces are not made on the same machines or assembled by the same person.Clearly it isn't all 700, but enough of them clearly to demand a change which was known about and not done.Instead swept under the carpet hoping they would go away on their own without changing designs.Its not about the 4million 700 that have no issues...its about the 500k that have or could malfunction. Remington knew about it,ignored it and allowed them to go out the door without doing anything to correct.Do you wait to have to experience this first hand before wanting something done or is it concern to ensure safety operation of ALL 700's that went out door (defective and proper operating).Yep you have right to bear arms and everyone should but should a weapon that seems to have a major flaw like this be allowed to go unfixed even when say 10% end up firing without trigger pulls? Do you wait till 30% 40%...when is it high enough to say there is a safety defect and not user error of that model? Sorry but there is no way to 100% safely aim barrel of a weapon with this defect unless your always on a range period.There is no way to unload a weapon safely in anywhere other then a range that can fire at any given unknown random time when the bolt is touched or safety is messed with.Just to much of a risk to all of society period.No weapon should fire unless trigger(properly maintained or not) is pulled period, anything less is clearly threat to all of society which demands that weapon not be allowed placed in anyone's grip until issue is resolved and weapon no longer ever is capable of firing unless trigger is pulled.There is just to much risk involved to accept anything less for safety of public.

@marcus-zq3mp 7 жыл бұрын

why is remington replacing all of the trigger systems if there is nothing wrong with it?

@ryanehlis426 8 жыл бұрын

The designer of the mod 700 still said Remington rejected a 5 cent fix all those years ago that would have made the trigger safer. I personally hear real bad stuff about Rem quality control and am only interested in there older used stuff and if i buy an older 700, i buy an after market trigger first thing.

@c.potter1309 8 жыл бұрын

+Ryan Ehlis : The mod Walker proposed was to make the trigger lock forward when the safety was engaged. This wouldn't have prevented any of the discharges CNBC claimed happened.

@Sugarsail1 8 жыл бұрын

5 cents in 1950 money.

@TopDawg6800 8 жыл бұрын

+Sugarsail1 yea, that's like what 50 cents nowadays? I'll be damned if I waste that much to fix something that ain't broke.

@chrundom 11 жыл бұрын

The bad part about that question is that it matters, when it shouldn't.

@mikemarushin1708 9 жыл бұрын

I had my 700 BDL do this 12 years ago and just had it happen again last weekend both times I was putting the safety off to open the bolt the first time the gun was loaded and I was trying to unload it to climb up the ladder to my deer stand scared the shit out of me. last weekend I was checking to make sure it was unloaded before I brought it inside I flipped the safety to off and heard the dry fire. I take great care of my guns and the gun has never been tampered with. And this gun is older than the recall dates mike

@dsgm 13 жыл бұрын

I've owned 2 Model 700s, .223 and.308 after many rounds fired with UNMODIFIED triggers, there's never been a malfunction of any kind with these systems. One of our state's SWAT teams reported a premature discharge with their line weapons, yet when Remington offered to examine the weapon, they declined. Folks don't dick with your trigger system unless you're A: Remington or B: Remington.

@hellavadeal 13 жыл бұрын

@Informatively We had to do that with the M16 when it first came out. I only clean that part in the Remington after about 1000 rounds. Mine never gave me any trouble.

@GTAVREALISM 7 жыл бұрын

And now Remington has admitted it and is recalling them, but yes they're so honest.

@MrSnivelupagus 9 жыл бұрын

If it's false, why the recall? Why does this not address Walkers concerns? Focusing on the tactics used regarding how they got the interview does not change the contents of the interview. However I believe that the gun should always be pointed in a safe direction, so any injuries are caused by whoever is handling the gun.

@davidoakley3256 9 жыл бұрын

The Remington trigger recall is for the newer X-Mark Pro triggers, not the original or improved Walker triggers. You can read the recall notice on Remington's website

@Cameldactyl 12 жыл бұрын

word, a couple hundred out of millions of rifles may not be statistically significant but it sure is morally significant.

@menacinggesture 12 жыл бұрын

I have a Remington 700 .308win and never had a problem with it. Why anyone would fiddle with the trigger is a mystery to me because all the 700s I've fired have had excellent triggers from the factory. I'm not surprised by this kind of thing though, especially now in the age of people who don't know much about guns buying guns, and then thinking they're armorers, and tinkering with them.

@taiming71 10 жыл бұрын

Then why did they all get recalled in Canada? 1

@jjtmmmm 12 жыл бұрын

lol "and it now a Remington representative " I love that lol

@roji556 13 жыл бұрын

@sweetzambion22 I'll explain it, I again was a Captain and had served 15 years in the US Army. Whenever you hit the bolt force is going to travel, hitting the bolt hard enough can cause the weapon to go off but only of the Trigger sensitivity and parameters are low enough. It is possible that wherever you bought it from adjusted the parameters or if you bought it and had it shipped if could have been damaged in shipping causing the issue.

@NallePu83 12 жыл бұрын

The fundamental NRA rules for safe gun handling are: 1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction. This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.

@worddunlap 11 жыл бұрын

IDK what happened to people, I woke up one day and every dummy was armed and didn't think they needed any training. However you get it, from a class, the military or a friend/family member, it needs to happen. Even if you don't own a gun the classes can save your life. I don't think it should be law but in my house it is.

@mikem7788 9 жыл бұрын

It is so important to go beyond having what you think is the firearm pointed in a safe direction to making 100% sure if the gun were to go off you know exactly where the bullet will end up. The barber lady had her gun pointed toward the camper/trailer not knowing what was on the other side and she had an accidental discharge. If she had simply begun to unload the weapon and had the muzzle pointed in a direction where she was 100% sure where the bullet would terminated (in case of an unexpected discharge) their tragedy would have never happened. I feel very sorry for their loss but proper firearm safety could have 100% prevented this accident. Make sure you know the path of the bullet from start to finish if the gun is fired purposefully or accidentally. Any mechanical device can have a failure, lets just say for the sake of saying her gun had a defect that could cause an accidental discharge. If she had pointed the gun at the ground 5 ft in front of her where she could see the line of flight of the bullet, it may have scared the crap out of her with an unexpected discharge but no tragedy would have occurred. Bottom line is she did not have the gun pointed in a safe direction and a tragedy happened.

@BTeamHooligan 13 жыл бұрын

Didn't see the show, but read the recap. It turned my stomach. How could someone blame the death of their son at their own hand on the rifle manufacturer? Those people should be very ashamed of themselves. I can't even find the words to describe how little I think of those people. How low is a person that can't even accept responsibility for something they caused?

@uncleben8895 7 жыл бұрын

Yah this is a combination of factors that leads to these accidental discharge killings. An already light trigger, intentionally lightened by an owner (sometimes previous owner), no cleaning and pointing a loaded weapon at someone. I would argue that those are unforeseeable circumstances for the manufacturer but not for the owner. If you follow the ubiquitous rule to never point a loaded weapon at someone, and always assume a weapon is loaded you will never kill someone even if the 700 really goes off on its own.

@BlakMayo44 12 жыл бұрын

There's no way they would be able to get a fair trial against a media source.

@irishwolf1981 13 жыл бұрын

This is why people should always be made complete a proficiecy course for use of a firearm before any Licence is issued. Just bought a 700 sps ss in .223 great gun. Never heard of any Remington failures this side of the Atlantic.

@cokacola5549 7 жыл бұрын

Yea if you leave it alone and donot try and get better performance and accuracy by tuning the trigger then it is usually fine. Savage triggers can be tuned without any risk atleast on the new ones

@dufey1969 8 жыл бұрын

ive had a rem 700 in 308 for 20 years and have no problems

@TheAlmostbob 7 жыл бұрын

It's sad how no one seems to remember that the best safety mechanisms on any gun your trigger finger and your brain. Never leave a gun loaded during any time other that when your activity shooting.

@GreatBigRanz 7 жыл бұрын

And how dose that help when the gun goes off as you are unloading it?Even the inventor of 700 new something was wrong.

@tonybeku 7 жыл бұрын

To settle this argument would the executives of Remington allow their loved ones to stand infornt of loaded Remington 700s ?

@Starfireaw11 13 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. I'd also have liked them to discuss the fact that there is no such thing as an accidental discharge, only a negligent one. Even if the safety system and/or trigger were faulty (which has not been proven at all), an operator has to be at fault on safety protocols (i.e. assuming every gun is loaded and not pointing it at anything that you are not happy to shoot) for there to be an incident.

@MrVonKruger 11 жыл бұрын

Absolutly, CNBC should issue and appology to Remington.

@reyjking1 13 жыл бұрын

Awesome post....i saw the cnbc news 1-hour show....i was concerned, but leave it to news people to show only one side of the story... thanks for posting

@IcabodCrane 12 жыл бұрын

@FiveTwoSevenTHR Correct, I was thinking the Nambu...I tend to get those mixed up. As I stated in the reply to someone else prior to this one though, I don't believe all of them were poor maintenance or triggerjobs. Granted I'm sure a good deal were...I'm sure a good deal of them should have been better maintained. This doesn't change the fact that a military or law enforcement rifle should be far less prone to possible misfires. There are 110+ year old rifles with more far sturdy designs.

@ncflyfisher 13 жыл бұрын

@TheRiflemanChannel I appreciate the okay, Sir! And will do on my end. My brother owns several 700's/270 caliber and has never, even had a issue or problem. When I told him of the CNBC report he said he knew and laughed about how the media doesn't follow up on the "other" side of the story. They're just keeping their advertisers warm & happy...

@Synapticsnap 7 жыл бұрын

I have to disagree with this Video. I know for a Fact that there was a problem with my Remington model 700. I keep all my Firearms squeaky clean and never mess with any of their mechanisms. It was a used Firearm when I purchased it so I can't attest that it wasn't messed with prior to me owning it. My Remington model 700 went off twice when I opened the bolt to unload it and I know exactly where my fingers were and always are and both time were no where near the trigger or even the trigger guard, it did not happen every time just those two times. I almost blew my Brothers head off that 2nd time it happened but Thankfully I practice Barrel awareness but it was close enough that he felt part of the blast. I thought it was just my Rifle until I seen this. I Love Remington and own many Rifles and Handguns and never had this issue with any other Firearm just the Model 700.

@kilagon10 13 жыл бұрын

Did Remington change their trigger system because of this?

@Otaku155 12 жыл бұрын

My response to Mrs Barber: Why the hell were you pointing the rifle at the camper?

@theoxtheory 13 жыл бұрын

@beachnative420 did u even listen to the guy talking about how the rifle could have been tampered with to do such a thing?

@tonyclifton474 7 жыл бұрын

the whole discharging without pulling the trigger is suspicious, however my 700 will not return to safe until after you pull the trigger which they have admitted is a defect, I just need to send it back to the factory.

@trentwilson855 7 жыл бұрын

Or sell it and get something better. Not hard to do considering 95% of companies make a better product than Remington...

@IcabodCrane 12 жыл бұрын

I find it sad how so many people are missing the simple fact: these guns had problematic trigger mechanisms. They're cheap with braised on lugs...Remington's been notorious for years for cutting costs in any way possible. As I stated in another post, though Remington is vehemently denying it (To cover their asses), I find it quite interesting that they're on sale for less than 400 dollars and include a BRAND NEW TRIGGER DESIGN. Regardless of negligence in some cases, it -was- a big problem.

@saintmichaelarchangel3279 11 жыл бұрын

Heh. I just watched a Remington 700 with this malfunction. Safety off and the gun fires without touching the trigger. This is a real and legitimate problem with this model of gun that has been a real problem for quite awhile. What I want to know is does anyone have a fix for this? Thinking about installing a 3 position safety.

@getrippednubz 12 жыл бұрын

That is exactly why Remington says not to modify you rifle! Those cops don't know crap about the internals of a rifle, so if you are going to modify one, let a gunsmith do it..

@ung427 11 жыл бұрын

when you cycle the next round the firing pin would fall slowly down as the bolt lever went down. It might not fire in that case but if you put the safety on when the bolt is back, holding up the sear.. switching the safety to fire will cause the rifle to fire without pulling the trigger. So the floating connector should be permanently connected to the trigger. The defect is that it is not permanently connected.

@andykaw1 11 жыл бұрын

Hello to all, I have a 700 sps Varmint .308 caliber, I have done my self the "trigger Job" changing the spring and polishing the contact surface. But as described in many tutorial I have tested carefully all the system, before and after the job. My opinion Is clear: Is not possible to have a critical condition, but only if the tension of the small spring (trigger preload) is not hard enough or the adjustement screw is setted under the work position we can obtain a unsafety condition. Regards

@TheChibitodd 8 жыл бұрын

I have a hard time believing any government shooter has not maintained their rifle. ever. yes I have see this condition on a new remington rifle. it did not have the x mark pro trigger. my self and the store owner could not duplicate the firing pin release. basic gun safety. treat ever gun as if it is loaded.

@ung427 11 жыл бұрын

the trigger weight and sear engagement adjusted properly then the floating connector is the only real defect. Chances are slim to get something caught in between the connector and the trigger causing the same situation as if you adjusted the trigger weight too light. Virtually the only way is when the bolt is closed and the firing pin forward, the trigger must be pushed forward opening the gap between the connector and the trigger. It would be a very slim chance and immediately afterwards

@StevewiththePbass 12 жыл бұрын

Probably because of how incredibly popular the 700 is. There's millions of them out there. Also, to assume that those HUNDREDS of people are the only people to ever complain about faulty triggers, and that the 700 is the only gun to ever be accused of having a faulty trigger is just uninformed. The point of "having not been altered" is made in this video as well, i guarantee you a large percentage of these discharges are a result of faulty trigger modifications.

@jz9536 9 жыл бұрын

700s do/ can ND from manipulating the safety and or the bolt. I was an instructor for 1st Div Pre- sniper school an I can attest that I have seen 3 students rifles that NDed from bolt manipulation in one class. it is as they said a lack of proper maintenance. the students were from 29 Palms(lots of sand and dust) and there regiment had been with out a 2112 (the special armorer that is the only one who is authorized to take apart an m40(rem700) ) for over a year. I did get a neighboring 2112 to agree to clean them so we could continu traing that week and he concurred the only thing wrong was a years worth of dust build up. none the less "dust" shouldn't cause an ND it doesn't on and AR trigger and the can be made in 3lbs or better.

@Vyppaaa11 12 жыл бұрын

also, while dropping the hammer on all revolvers you can slip and let the gun fire. are they flawed designs?

@Joshua2019 12 жыл бұрын

If the weapon getting dirty cause this then I agree with you 100%. I believe the point was that they can' t prove it and went ahead and said they did.

@CoffeePeddlers 12 жыл бұрын

I would love to see Remington sue the ass of CNBC

@NiceGuy-Nationalist 12 жыл бұрын

When has NBC ever made a honest and factual report on firearms and their owners?

@ADIDAKING 10 жыл бұрын

Hi, please excuse my bad english, im from germany. I used to have a Remington Matchmaster .22 lr and when i got it from my grandpa it doesnt work proper. When I closed the gunlock it just shoot. So I can imagine that there where some accidents with the 700 Model as well.

@CPHannigan 10 жыл бұрын

Not at all. The reason your Matchmaster fired upon closing the action is due to what is called negative sear engagement. This occurs when the sear is set to have too little contact, or when there is oil, dirt, corrosion on the face of the sear. The rifle just needed a good detailed cleaning of the trigger group, and possibly an adjustment of the sear. Any bolt action rifle can suffer this issue, not just the 700 and Matchmaster.

@ADIDAKING 10 жыл бұрын

That was exactly what i tried to say :) . Youre 100% right, every bolt action rifle can get such problems. Best wishes and always a good shoot from southern germany :)

@CPHannigan 10 жыл бұрын

ADIDAKING Ah, understood. Glad see someone in another country who enjoys shooting sports. That's what the industry needs. Have a good one!

@Roamingeast 12 жыл бұрын

Step 1- Buy R700 Step 2- Bubba trigger job Step 3- Negligent discharge/profit.

@ung427 11 жыл бұрын

trigger to move. If you then release the safety the rifle will fire. This won't happen in rifles where the safety blocks the trigger and holds it under the sear. This isn't really a defect because you are causing an unsafe condition by adjusting the trigger weight too light. The Timney trigger has a trigger weight that is able to be adjusted to a lighter pull, the trigger is one piece with no floating connector, and the safety locks the trigger itself. I'd say, since if you keep both

@lambdog76 13 жыл бұрын

@leoffensive if you shop around you may be able to find one for under 400

@mblue623 7 жыл бұрын

Sound like the current "News Media" that I don't watch.

@devcon67 12 жыл бұрын

@jiblyjably Actually, the question is...how can a rifle that's been around for 50 years be defective? ANY weapon - pistol, rifle or revolver can misfire if it's not maintained or the firing mechanism has been modified. I'm 99.99% sure that every Remington fire malfunction is due to A) Poorly maintained rifle B) Modified firing mechanism C) Inadvertantly pulling the trigger D) A combination of A, B & C.

@sonick808 10 жыл бұрын

I did my own trigger job and it went off on it's own!

@TheLastSwagurai 12 жыл бұрын

I'm the proud owner of an SPS tactical in .308win. Never had ANY problem of any kind, and don't see one in the future. Think it might go off on accident? Keep the bolt out until you're ready to fire, simple solutions for simple people.

@ArmednSafe 12 жыл бұрын

Even if the gun goes off without pulling the trigger, in order to have a bad result you need to violate the 1st rule of firearms safety.

@Soloong_Gaybowzer 12 жыл бұрын

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