Burden of the Divine is independent source healing. Both teammates receive 50% of self healing.

@@cloodhound9417 I have video evidence that disagrees with you.

if you watch the video its explained, but yes you get 25% of the healing but due to how the relic works it more than enough especially if you have a heavy healer build in the squad@@ha-in-your-faceguy1368

Will it be an updated version to this after the forgotten kingdom update?!

No for my friend he loves to heal and always say. I want to just sit back and heal and go for the free ride 😂😂😂. I’m the tank in the group and would love to try this so we on.

Or they could run a dps build to cover empathy bosses.

Lol maybe they should offer him a job.

thanks for the heart, you validate my concerns, I look forward to seeing what your next projects are, when you get your hands on something, you mastercraft aspects of it.

Empathy can be counted with tranquil heart, if you have it. I combo it with burden of the divine, numue ribbon, forest king or something ring.

there is a discord for the game, plenty of people on there

​@@The_Queen_Chrysalis do you have a link to it? Would love to join

Oh god lol, given what you said about not knowing only one was supposed to take it, I hope that means you watched it through to understand it all lol. Glad I could help! I'd give the DR/EHP video a look at a minimum, to fully understand how to reallocate and work with DR in those kinds of situations.

@@VashCowaii Oh yeah, you gave me a really solid and funny build. The least I could is help out in the youtube algorithm :D

This is gonna be a large comment you never expected but: Never really realized just how much I appreciate comments like yours until lately lol. Call me heartless but I really never gave a shit what kind of comments I received in the past. Comments to me were always just a utility to either add more explanation if I needed to, or answer questions if people had them; I never cared whether people were upset or happy in the comments. I'd show what I wanted, and people could use it or not, was up to them. The only thing I really cared about in comments was correcting misunderstandings given that my videos USUALLY take the "teach over show" approach, which in the past never required too much effort on my part to fix where it popped up. The popularity of all the remnant vids lately has brought in a large volume of comments I never expected and this has brought in a LOT more people with misunderstandings to correct. As such, an issue has arisen where I encounter a massive amount of people who have done no testing themselves nor will they ever do so, that decide to instantiate wild claims on feels or maybe what their friend or uncle told them, and they completely disregard literally everything I'm trying to work towards in the video because of that. (Bonus brain-dead points for people who claim I'm only spreadsheeting and that I don't test things myself) I'm not saying I need comments like yours for my feel-goods in order to carry on with life or my content so don't take this to say "oh god please comment every time" bc no lol, simply that I have to come to gain an immense appreciation for people like you who were able to see what I did, and maybe you haven't even tested things yourself to verify that I have myself, but you're able to recognize that it's not just whim that dictates the content or structure of the video, I don't just pray the to the mystical AI gods for a script and say to myself "Mmm. Mui bueno, this will do" I checked out of curiosity and you're seemingly another creator and maybe you've had instances like this yourself and maybe that's why you said it anyways, doesn't matter in the end and this may have been jumbled. Carry on.

@@VashCowaii Absolutely, I get it, the desire to teach, the desire to make sure good info is out there. A main thing for me is teach how, not what, seems like your content is the same. Instead of showing a build then montaging it wrecking face, no, going in and explaining the interactions how it works etc. Because then you can take that and apply it to your own setups. I've really appreciated that in your guides. Give a man a fish, teach a man to fish yada yada. And yes, we encounter the same thing over in the Borderlands community too. It having alot of complex formulas at play leaves gates open for misunderstandings. Terminology in the games themselves don't help either lol. Keep doing what you're doing!

Ye someone reminded me earlier and I added that bit to the pinned comment. Thank you regardless though!

I don’t see why they would want to patch this, this is so much of an edge case and requires you to either have 2 friends “playing” this game or someone owning 3 copies of the game to get this build to work.

Well there's a few ways they could tweak it, but yeah there'd be at least one build type that gets the short end of the stick when combatting how this functions. I also hope they leave it be, as this type of gameplay can be a godsend for some players, it's actually a discussion I had with a friend of mine. Just not everyone is able to play the game at the same level and it's not their fault, has nothing to do with skill.

It’s a great build for certain but it’s not fun for majority of players, not viable for solo and also like stated it’s not an exploit just math. Nothing to nerf. I wouldn’t run it. I appreciate the time taken to make but it’s pointless for me. Just for people that want carrying. Which seems to be alot of the community. Oh and that have friends, which I do not lolol . Great video.

Well, just to give context: the video took 6 hours to make. That does not include voice recording, that does not include in game testing or time spent on the new sheet I've been working on that you see in the video. While I will admit there are things I do that increase the length of time required to make a video and yeah that's my own fault lol, generally with how I make videos, the longer they are, the time it takes to make the video increases a lot. I could probably get away with being a lot lazier on my video practices, but I don't think I'll ever let myself do that. I'm glad to see nobody is complaining about the video length though, it was a concern of mine that not only would I despise how long it took to make but people would lose interest(granted, it's not quite performing as well as other videos but maybe we can chalk that up to it being a coop build, or thumbnail, or anything, idk.)

Out of curiosity what boss killed you when you all 3 had to go in? You obv saw that we went through and did annihilation just fine and that was even with our minions committing suicide in the second phase, but I am wondering what boss could actually kill you since I'm not sure another boss forces minions to die after the latest patches?

The Nightweaver pulls you all in and has an aoe, maybe that's it@@VashCowaii

Really hesitate to use those words in my vids lol but yeah pretty much

I also kinda didn't say in the video that you really need 3 peeps to make this work as well as you see in the video so that's my b, sorry it took a few tries but I'm glad you got it to work even with 2.

It wouldn't work very well in apoc difficulty with just 2 peeps if you're trying to do the bus driver & passenger setup. In lower difficulties maybe you'd be just fine, but otherwise for just 2 peeps you're probably better off doing the build but with geared tweaks towards both of you participating like I mention later in the vid.

I do want to look at dmg calcs, I'm just exhausted after doing everything I already have lol. I want a break before even trying to dive into dmg calcs bc there are aspects of that, like crit chance for example, where it is WILDLY inconsistent lol, some sources provide too much CC, some too little, some say they give CC but don't, etc. I have no more videos planned for now other than the one to explain the upgraded sheet that you saw in this video. After that, I'm probably gonna go play AC6 for a while and finish my playthroughs there(already did one playthrough), maybe look at starfield when it comes out, and then come back to R2. Though, I keep saying this after every video and then I'll probably find some weird shit to make a video about and come back yet again lmfao. We'll see.

Kinship only applies to self dmg, so you'd only use it to reduce the dmg that firestorm does to you and yeah that would reduce the dmg sent overall, but you kind of WANT firestorm to do as much dmg as it is currently doing so you can get the mod power gen yeah? IF the idea was that the dmg sent to others counts as self dmg, it does not. Reboot I didn't test but it'll do one of the 3 following options: 1) Count for nothing 2) Only count for the user and not for the shared pool or 3) Count for healing as share to the pool, just at a 50% reduced efficacy. However, as much as that might sound like a good panic button, it's not. You'd be better off slapping in a 2nd resonating heart to achieve beyond-bonkers healing instead of trying to time a panic button skill if that makes sense. Basically, if somehow something is actually going to kill you through one person's reso healing, reboot isn't gonna fix it, but more healing would.

RESO JUST THIS ONCE. Also barkskin isn't wasted here ok D:

Probably because the Medic benefits from you taking more damage. If the Medic can get their Regenerator bar filled faster (because it's +50% more required per extra player) then you can literally sit there all day like in this video with no issues.

The other guy part hit the nail on the head. 1) It's not a terrible thing to give the medic more healing, but 1) Kinship makes it so firestorm does *too little* damage too us. Our effective DR is already too the moon. If you wanted to firestorm spam safely but didn't care about getting as much mod power as quickly, kinship would be an option, I just opted to get modpower nearly instantaneously over using mods with somewhat more safety.

@@VashCowaii I guess that makes sense, you mentioned firestorm actually being able to kill you despite this builds utterly insane EHP and healing, so I figured you could amp up the firestorm spam but if you can't generate enough modpower to start the process then you're just bootstrapped. Hmm, maybe 4 points or less in kinship though, and push the remaining points to spirit instead to compensate a bit? Or just full kinship and just have all three people step inside with tank builds and spam firestorm (lol).

cube's basically inflicting death, it doesn't actually do damage.

Cube stomp is a hazard similar to falling and dying, so I don't know how it decides to share that with the team. Would be quick to test, just not something I bothered with.

No, the build is still effective, just not quite to the extent you see when I fight venom. But in a fight like annihilation it's still gonna work really well, I actually cover this later in the video.

So we actually looked at -DR, and it has diminishing returns. So like Worn Admiral's doesn't really make you take 3x total dmg as it would make you believe with its -200% DR(assuming you had 0% DR when using it). -DR is obviously a huge hinderance when using actual DR sources with it, but if you have 0DR and go negative, it's not nearly as mathematically punishing as you might believe it is. Completely pointless observations, but your comment reminded me of it.

​@@VashCowaii glad I'm not the only one that looked into that, it doesnt really need a video as its pretty much pointless (and probably troll enough to not be received well by viewers). I was just wondering if you'd pick up on that given the mathematical nature of the videos so far

Yea most people I run into I have to carry with my healing since they get 1 or 2 shot it’s kinda tough but it’s still fun

Yeah. Healing eff is a bonus modifier to all healing. This includes relic healing.

On this note, I'm curious if the 3rd person afking would survive using Red Doe Sigil with Restriction Cord, Ring of the Forest, and Reserves Boosting Gem? 1.5hp/s trait (2.55) 2hp/s relic (6.46) 2hp/s ring (3.4) 90% relic eff 70% healing eff

No, but I am not surprised people were already running this, props for doing so. The only thing I would think people *didn't* do yet is map it all out. I'd already had it in the back of my mind I just never cared enough to make a coop build. But I've gotten enough comments asking for coop builds, and even a guy who made a whole video trying to tell people that I'm lying to people while showing my SOLO builds in coop use lmfao, that I was like aight fine. COOP IT IS, ARE YA HAPPY NOW? XD

@@VashCowaii Ah I see. I was basically running a combo of the tank and the healer from this guide. And my friends were running damage builds, while wearing leto's and trying to get as close to DR cap as possible. Our results were, what you see here lmao. I thought it'd be really funny if my comment inspired you to try this. Because it was your DR guide that inspired me to make my healer tank.

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Ah that's true! Thankfully his attacks are telegraphed as fuck though, would not even recommend building tank for him as everyone can just run around blasting his ass.

Yes, I address this specifically in the video.

@@VashCowaii Oh must of missed it. Thanks!

I haven't either tbh, but I'd imagine you still just keep 100% conversion and it cannot go above it. HOWEVER, given that DR initially wasn't capped, maybe that's not the case lol. I've tested a lot of things lol but somehow I haven't tested this yet, that'd be pretty funny if you could increase dmg taken just bc of higher conversion.

Mod's got hands

Nightfall may be a good weapon to use for aggro reduction since it's mod makes you less targetable. The ring that also reduces enemy awareness may help too.

Realistically most of the bosses in the game do not have the dmg or the burst of something like Venom, Venom is an edge case for extreme damage and that's why we show it in the video to prove a point(note that even with vicious spiteful, we still could not have died). Because of that, you are mostly likely able to get away with much easier bosses, using 2 dmg dealers as long as they spread out, yes. I would say you'll be just fine doing that, and obviously if it doesn't work out, you can just tuck away your 2nd with the 3rd and have the driver do it all.

@@VashCowaiifrom my experience. The boss targets the dmg dealer. And while this isn’t the point of a video I took of my fight with nightweaver. (Took cause it’s unedited garbage) you can clearly see how the boss thinks I’m in a solo game unless I’m down.

@@swift-pawedteif386 this is true, no matter how far u r from the boss, if u r doing the most damage the boss agros you. With this build we just have to be cautious of not dealing high damage at once but spread it out throughout the fight.

So landing the hits doesn't matter here at all, so to your credit I did actually forget to adjust the amulet when showing the alt melee loadout. BUT~ If we put it in the context of the solo build: not all bosses CAN be hit at all times during their fights. Pocketwatch increases the stamina gained regardless of if hits happen or not, making it incredibly easy and fast to generate shield from rerouting while you're waiting. Matriarch's is a damage choice, not a survivability choice. In the context of the solo build, pocket wins, but in the context of something like this, yeah matriarch is a good fit.

gotcha, in the context of the melee tank build video i understand the choice ya made an clarifying that you didnt have decayed margin was solid acknowledgement@@VashCowaii

I thought that too until I realized you guys have friends. NOW I'm done.

Does it actually? Man I don't remember that at all. Does everyone have to cross the arena threshold to start the fight and teleport or are you saying if one person crosses, everyone gets teleported? Also yeah. NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD