Also side note to the "Choose your own adventure": it is copyrighted, so if you do one game of that style... Don't call it that. Source: GameDevTv 2d, first lessons of text 101 in the "Complete C# Unity Game Developer 2D Online Course". Concretely, minute 1:05 of their "Text101 Game Design" video.

Thank you! I kept thinking "Ren'Py, kinda sounds kinda like Senpai, but why?" Now I know it's just a coincidence.

The more you know! I thought it stood for render+python, since it's a game engine based on python. Welp

Ren'ai is also the way dating simulators are called in Japan. There is a couple of engines from the tsukuru series (same people that made RPG Maker) that are called Ren'ai Tsukuru, until they finally localized one of those as VN Maker.

Missed the chance to call it senpy.

@@Nothing_serious Sen'pi has got to be the perfect name for the next generation of XR Virtual Novel software with Tactile feedback support!

Can only imagine how they'd deal with a book

Visual novels are literally novels trying tohard to be pretending to be hanged

Yeah it’s like saying reading a book is just turn page turn page turn page done. Ridiculous.

I only imagined that by combining it with pygame

@@carlogustavovalenzuelazepe5774 what's that

@@mixialuce pygame is kinda like renpy however its more of a broad python game engine. It's pretty alright in my opinion but super outdated and kinda difficult to read/use in my experience.

@@mrt8bit692 Probably because it' isn't genre-specific. It has to be able to do any 2D game so everything is very low-level. Like draw picture at (x,y)-coordinate, update screen etc..

Write one for Godot ;)

What did you end up making? I'd love to try it out!

@@TheCynicalCommentator drop the title buddy

It maybe was just a one-off for friends and family kinda game?@@Hello-hello-hello456

ren'ai means "(romantic) love"

*Tilde intensifies*

Just Monika

Isnt visual novel really a point and click 😂

@@flamendless generally you don't have much sprite movement in direct response to your clicking, beyond pre-set animations.

@@flamendless nah, more like a.. click

SDL?

There's some good ones out there, try va11halla or doki doki literature club

Dialtown Phone dating simulator is a very fun not anime visual novel

good luck

Yes, avoid Ren'Py if you're doing anything more advanced like that.

Lol that's literally what I'm doing in Godot

@@dragonwarriorz1 Yes, Godot is a great one that too.

Nah, Renpy is more popular because it's more specialized in it's particular niche while giving freedom to expand quite a bit beyond that if you know python. No one is making rpgs in renpy, at least not very many. Out of all my years of using it, I've only had it crash a handful of times. It's weird that you say it's popular with people who can't code considering you have to do everything in... well... code. You have to work for a truly custom looking GUI. There's no visual editor like some other visual novel engines, and you should know some python especially once you start going into anything that needs more than a few stats or a system it doesn't have out of box. Every time I've used it I've had to dig into python.

@@izumichan31 - it's quite common to get an exception that it didn't find a certain resource. close -> run again -> fixed , also memory leaks are quite common. ;) -compared to trying to make a VN or text based game in Godot, or Unity. having to type a couple of commands. it's quite out of the box lol Ren'py has prebuilt classes handling saving, loading and a lot of the not so basic text management. can you tweak it in code? yeah. but you can use the defaults. -I didn't meant it as an insult. but really, if you can code, good for you. but most of the ren'py games out there are being made by people that barely know what a property is. is it bad? no. the accessibility that ren'py brings is quite good. and you should check. there are a lot of RPG's and point and click adventures in ren'py XD remember an RPG is not the same as a fantasy adventure. it's a role playing game. if you put the player in the position to assume the role of a character, and dictate their decisions. it´s an RPG XD

@@elfdrow6679 I will say that I have honestly never gotten that exception error. But, it's included out of box. It's meant to be. RPG Maker also has all of that out of box and more(and is far more no code, just costs money). That's just the benefit of being catered and focused to specific niches unlike engines like unity or godot that are far more general. But what I meant was you still have to know at least some basic programming for renpy. At least a basic knowledge of variables, branching, and possibly loops just to really use renpy. But either way, I feel like most renpy games that people actually talk about have more than just the defaults. Honestly a good chunk of visual novels I've played over the years have had some form of custom feature or screen not included by default. And by RPG I am of course talking about specific types of game whether tabletop, western or jrpg. Very few are making these in Renpy, though I have seen a good few with battle systems. By your broadening, just about every game where you take control of a character could be considered a role-playing games. Basic visual novels are more a step up from the choice your own adventure books rather than rpgs. I'd say RPGs are more about having systems where you level up/advance your character(s) and/or their skills over the course of the game. Leveling is a big part of rpgs. Having RPG elements isn't the same as being an RPG if that makes sense. Like Legend of Zelda is not an rpg. It's action-adventure. Point and click games(like Myst or the Ace Attorney series) aren't rpgs. Most visual novels aren't rpgs.

@@izumichan31 -you are right that there are a lot of games made in ren'py with custom features. And I like to point out, I never denied that. but I did mention since the original post that it has out of the box features that are quite attractive to a lot of people. that lead to the popularity of the engine. and since you don't have to actually code the classes for any of the major systems... -and by RPG mentioned in the first post. I always meant that. not a specific sub genre, but general definition RPG. not LARP, not TRPG, not MMORPG, nor JRPG. but simple RPG. the handling of decision trees and decision making. and easy save and load because... save scumming for the win XD P.S. you really never have gotten in infamous exception error page full of code, and the ignore, rollback option? O_O P.P.S. and yeah you are right. RPGmaker etc have those features too. but there is the issue of: -not flexible enough when it comes to resolutions. and could get buggy if you change the default. -too stiff choice commands. compared to ren'py... is a mess -the requirement of the runtime installed is another turn off for many.

Just install Dialogic, problem solved. Saving data is easy peasy too, that's really a non-issue.

I actually did this some years back, and yes, using primarily screen language for buttons and variables to change your slides, it is extremely simple to do.

Nah, it was my deep and insatiable love of Hentai games. ;)

@@gamefromscratch sus

Being the most powerful does not always mean being the most popular ;) Says I who have no real experience in any engine.

I do a lot of modding in Angels with Scaly Wings, and I'm having no trouble making images load dynamically. There's a lot of stuff you can do that's pretty advanced; you have to grok how its displayable system works.

Well the more successful games easily get top dollar on Patreon. Like there is a married couple who has been making the VN "What a legend!" since about 2018 and they are currently making about 8500USD a month on Patreon.

it's daz3d lol

@@AithaChannel i really dont know both of those softwares. lol.

This. Some of the documentation in comments _in the code_ is wrong. I had to rewrite a darts minigame a half dozen different times because my ways of eating the clicks weren't working how I expected, no matter how deep I dug into the interaction system. Ended up making an invisible call screen and straight-up re-keying the mousedown_1 keysm while the screen was displayed, then grab the mouse position from code the moment the screen hid.

@@4onen Yeah, I also had this type of pain. They stopped updating it and so much code does not work or lack of proper documentation. Pytom pls update it.

Have Renpy Just Monika

Just do it, learning on the way 😀💪💪

YESSIR JUST LEARN IT, you will see that coding is not that complicated:)))

It is easyer than you think

@@adrielbradley6677 no I'm saying I haven't learned python yet and I'm new to coding so everything (even this ) is confusing lol

It's been around a few years longer publicly so it's had some time to have some good games be built on it.

iF Visual Novel Game Maker is another.

Tyanobuilder is terrible. The only positive thing about it is support for live2d. If Ren'py adds this there will be no reason to use tyranobuilder other than being lazy to learn an extremely simple language.

Like there isn't enough of all those other game genres already. Do we really need yet another fps or platformer? Why are there so many rpgs? Aren't there enough of these already? /s

@@izumichan31 The issue, it is not a game genre. Also there already perfect engine for it: Powerpoint.

@@razzraziel It is a game genre though. They're interactive fiction games.

@@izumichan31 Interactive games? Games are interactive in their nature. It is interactive novel. Nothing more than that.

@@razzraziel : There's variety. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fceai7Rel5u9Zac.html

Oh buddy. You need to take a look at some of the results. Angels with Scaly Wings? Doki Doki Literature Club? If you can draw, the things you can do with this engine are pretty crazy.

@@4onen I'm not very fun off visuals navel from i few reasons 1. Most visual novels the don't have voice in the characters 2. In most visual novels evrithng is static 3. Meny times the don't show the stuff the shapos to see the player and the have Description from this items instand Ther is 1 visual novel i like that fixed all of this problems the name game tattle is life is strange