Rendering the Act Sterile | Why Contraception Is a Sin and (Some) Natural Birth Control Isn't

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 Theology of the Body Institute

Theology of the Body Institute

3 жыл бұрын

Often people object that the Church's distinction between artificial birth control and natural birth control makes very little sense. Similarly, people object that because Natural Family Planning and contraception achieve the same end, namely, the avoidance of pregnancy, that they must be morally equivalent. In this video, we're going to unpack a crucial distinction: the difference between rendering the sexual act sterile (as done in all forms of contraception) and that of responding to the natural infertility ordained in God's creation.
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@S..527
@S..527 8 ай бұрын
As a protestant I can understand your point of view. I’m not married and not planning to anytime soon, but still good to know this information. The argument that there is a big difference between rendering the act sterile yourself or waiting until the woman js sterile is a good argument. The argument about killing grandma or waiting until she dies naturally is not a good argument however since contraception isn’t murder. Life begins at conception and with contraception that doesn’t take place (depending on the type of contraception ofcourse).
@hannahalexie5158
@hannahalexie5158 3 жыл бұрын
Catholic or not, this just makes so much sense. Women’s bodies are not respected enough in modern culture, this method wholeheartedly respects the woman and takes so much pressure off.
@mbathroom1
@mbathroom1 2 жыл бұрын
indeed, sadly women don't even respect themselves
@andelaroztocilova8367
@andelaroztocilova8367 2 жыл бұрын
In what way? What is respectful on a method where your only option to have sex is in the time of the month when you don't want it? 😂
@SeekTruth-ts2hm
@SeekTruth-ts2hm 12 күн бұрын
This is total nonsense. The intention is the same, to not get pregnant. Natural family planning goes against the procreative principle that Catholics believe in. If you deliberately seek times when the woman is infertile, you have the same mentality as that of those who deliberately seeks ways to render the act infertile. Sex only for procreation is a tradition of men.
@SeekTruth-ts2hm
@SeekTruth-ts2hm 12 күн бұрын
@@andelaroztocilova8367 Haha they do not make sense.
@shashikamanoj1160
@shashikamanoj1160 3 жыл бұрын
Your approach is amazing 'The Theology of the body guy'👍
@jrwalker1048
@jrwalker1048 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing clarity to this topic. God Bless you and all your good works!
@vi5264
@vi5264 3 жыл бұрын
Artificial contraception can still lead to children. How does NFP not make the act sterile? It’s designed around timing the act when the women is most ‘sterile’ so that conception is least possible. How is this different at all to the definition of contraception where the act is sterilised?
@tonywallens217
@tonywallens217 4 ай бұрын
In one the man sterilizes the act of sex itself. He alters the sexual act. In the other they just have pure, unaltered sex. That doesn’t automatically mean that the intentions of the man and wife are non contraceptive but the external act itself is now completely pure.
@nickk4851
@nickk4851 2 жыл бұрын
People's problem with NFP isn't its method, it's its purpose.
@leekshikapinnamneni4835
@leekshikapinnamneni4835 3 жыл бұрын
Clicked on this video and ParaGard advertisement shows up. It’s the copper iud for those who don’t know.. Thank you so much for spreading the truth Christopher.
@luciebabiak7742
@luciebabiak7742 3 жыл бұрын
God bless you ❤️🙏 great channel.
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 3 жыл бұрын
an arbitrary difference. They are morally the same. Its just that one method is more passive than the other.
@josephbrandenburg4373
@josephbrandenburg4373 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think I agree with that, because contraception is a medical intervention, and it doesn't always do what the doctors say. For instance, some of them prevent fertilized embryos from implanting, which is hardly different from an abortifacient, if it is different at all. They also affect people's hormone levels, which changes people's behavior and subjective emotional experience, which can have all kinds of unexpected effects- many of them bad. I would venture to say that birth control "medicine" is largely to blame for the massive rise in polycystic ovary syndrome (that and the poison we call "food"). Of course the official story is that no one knows what causes PCOS -- just like no one knows what's causing the huge uptick in heart disease in youth and "sudden adult death syndrome". Completely mysterious. Which brings me to my last, completely unrelated point: buying birth control pills puts money in the hands of the world's most awful people: multinational pharmaceutical corporations. The difference between pharma and mafia is merely semantic. Those vile people want to play God. They make contraception and abortion huge, profitable businesses, while performing unethical research on fetuses and using aborted babies' organs and tissues. They build gene editing machines and suicide contraptions. They perpetrate the moral atrocity of cross-sex hormone therapy and genital mutilation surgery.
@geoffcaflisch1352
@geoffcaflisch1352 Ай бұрын
I have done considerable research on the link between oral birth control and PCOS and I've found no peer reviewed scholarly articles to demonstrate correlation.
@andreibejan1787
@andreibejan1787 3 жыл бұрын
Is a wonderful way to present the true!
@lukejackson5832
@lukejackson5832 3 жыл бұрын
is using contraception to relieve menstruation related cramps and discharge a sin?
@stephaniemorazan6253
@stephaniemorazan6253 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@josephbrandenburg4373
@josephbrandenburg4373 2 жыл бұрын
That wasn't a very convincinig argument... could you do a follow up answering more objections?
@killianmiller6107
@killianmiller6107 3 жыл бұрын
Is there any instance where NFP can be used immorally?
@sethwinkel5721
@sethwinkel5721 Жыл бұрын
Just ask why… What are the thoughts of your heart ( motivation)
@JamesUlliane
@JamesUlliane 3 жыл бұрын
Ever seen the tree “coco de mer”? It’s the kind of thing you’d find fascinating, Christopher
@LpieTIN
@LpieTIN 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen people say that use of NFP for "contraceptive purposes" or with a "contraceptive attitude" (in quotes to highlight the phrase, not because it's a direct quote of anyone) is still contraception though. The idea seems to be that by deliberately choosing the path which leads to at the very least a lower chance of sex resulting in a pregnancy, explicitly for the purpose of not having children, a couple can still be contracepting. Thats seems to go against what I gather from this video. To what degree does this hold water?
@Unclenate1000
@Unclenate1000 3 жыл бұрын
what you said is correct, these people just refuse to see that obvious fact and dance around it. I've dealt with people doing this for years.
@MusicGonz
@MusicGonz 3 жыл бұрын
Christopher could you please touch on sexless marriage. How do you deal with this in a Catholic marriage?..
@gabrielebartkute7359
@gabrielebartkute7359 10 ай бұрын
This still doesn't make much sense though. Lucky for me, my brain is branded with hot religious iron that "sexual intercourse is meant for procreation". That's why I've learned to have pleasure with my husband in other ways like cuddling, making out or, oh no, oral sex. That's my natural family planning mentality which is basically "enjoy physical intimacy all you want, but without the sexual intercourse". I know, it's not perfect, but that's the best compromise I've got with my conscience. Because there's nothing wrong with the condition that I'm not ready for children, but do want to express love to my hubby. 🥰
@ZiraRisasi
@ZiraRisasi 3 жыл бұрын
True tho
@ethanralph0
@ethanralph0 2 жыл бұрын
😇
@markwilkie7633
@markwilkie7633 5 ай бұрын
But doesn’t every sex act need to be open to life?!? What if couples did it on infertile days specifically because they were NOT open to life?
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for your question. Christopher gets into the details of it in his book Good News. About Sex & Marriage. You can find it here: shop.corproject.com/products/good-news-about-sex-and-marriage We also have a playlist where he goes through the book: kzfaq.info/sun/PLAbqXQaOvkM4Q01szl54g7Sj9mJ8bfKf0&si=zZG7qYfniz9J_KKB
@markwilkie7633
@markwilkie7633 5 ай бұрын
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute these sources do not address my nuanced question
@tenttavllitmok2344
@tenttavllitmok2344 3 жыл бұрын
Hi I'm an anabaptist really recommend you to study into it :) All the best
@silentcraftsman
@silentcraftsman 3 жыл бұрын
First comment! :D
@rhonanbrownfield816
@rhonanbrownfield816 23 күн бұрын
I see where you're trying to come from, but how is deliberately having sex only during infertile times not "sterilizing the act?" If the problem with contraceptives is that they are opposed to and/or work against conception, how is NFP not guilty of the same thing? From my perspective, it's not analogous to euthanasia vs natural death, but rather more like pushing a young child off a cliff vs allowing said child to fall on his own. Why would the Church endorse NFP over contraception if both accomplish the same thing and (notably) do so for the same REASON?
@branislavjeriga6762
@branislavjeriga6762 2 жыл бұрын
When the mentality is contraceptive, NFP is wrong.
@alee5024
@alee5024 Жыл бұрын
In what world is it not contraceptive though?
@branislavjeriga6762
@branislavjeriga6762 Жыл бұрын
@@alee5024 well for starters, it can be used to help get pregnant. I am not sure, how or when you use it not to get pregnant, but not having contraceptive mentality, but maybe there are such situations....
@pstrzel
@pstrzel 3 жыл бұрын
Me: Father born in a Siberian gulag, mother born during WWII in occupied Warsaw. Modern Catholic: Let's use NFP until we finish school. It's church approved, so it's OK.
@branislavjeriga6762
@branislavjeriga6762 2 жыл бұрын
If you do not have grave reasons, you are not in position for beeing not-giver of life... the Lord is giver of life, you are not to decide for size of your family... If you cannot abstain for lent for example or reasons when you do not do it because you are in the public space or with in-laws... Maybe one is not to mary....
@Johnrosswillliams
@Johnrosswillliams Жыл бұрын
While I agree with you that we should not use birth control, I strongly disagree with NFP as that has no biblical basis and violates 1 Corinthians 7. You are basically commanding the woman to not have relations with her husband at the time she most desires it (going against nature) There is a reason women most desire it at the time in the cycle, that’s how God designed them, as a result, children are born, which God desires for our marriage to be fruitful (children) Jesus and Paul always refer back to Genesis when talking about marriage and genesis is clear, the first command is “be fruitful and multiply” a command he gives to all of his creation. Birth control and NFP violate this command The real problem is that we don’t see children as a blessing. Children are a gift, and as believers we should eagerly desire children and let God decide how many children we have. God desires Godly offspring (Malachi 2:15) the more children God gives you, and if you teach your children to do likewise because that’s the clear teaching in Scripture, if God wills, you will have many Godly offspring. 1 Corinthians 7:1-5 1 Now concerning the things of which you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband. 3 Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5 Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. Malachi 2:15 15 But did He not make them one, Having a remnant of the Spirit? And why one? He seeks godly offspring. Therefore take heed to your spirit, And let none deal treacherously with the wife of his youth.
@StudentDad-mc3pu
@StudentDad-mc3pu 2 ай бұрын
Wow, your third video on this, you must be really obsessed with this topic, or perhaps simply threatened by female emancipation - yes, that's probably it. And we ALL know that there is just a little bit of hypocrisy in everyone that pretends they can moralise on this topic.
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute
@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your honest comment! This video might provide some nuance on where we're coming from: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y9R2mKxj3bCvpI0.htmlsi=EHud4lmbeBB5gtRA
@StudentDad-mc3pu
@StudentDad-mc3pu 2 ай бұрын
@@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute Well, that video was a massive straw man - it's nothing to do with 'being out of date'. Since the theology of fertility in the Catholic Church is mediated entirely and utterly by men I'm going to take it with a pinch, if that's' ok. Instead I'm going use my brain. There is no good reason for women not to be clergy or leaders in the church. There is no good reason why women should not be in charge of their own fertility. There is only the dogma, created by centuries of men who are afraid of women and who probably, to put it coursely, indulge themselves on a regular basis.
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