They should have used the big boi.

Freight trains needs to have a high tractive effort. But this stram train has a poor tractive effort.

@ well we do have Big Boys in Indonesia back in the old days that were design as a mix traffic engine, two batch were built by Alco and proved to be an emberassament, the improvef came from Europe, but sadly.. those big engines were scrap

Looking at the size the the driving wheels its a mixed traffic loco

@ doesn't weight enough. It's got plenty of power, not enough weight on the rails.

I couldnt agree more. Its like taking a small suv and making it pull a load only a semi-truck can haul

Agreed!

I know right! Like an A4 hauling hoppers. It's just not right

This video is case and point

After steam officially ended here in SA many locomotives were sold off to industry. Needless to say they weren't used for their intended purpose. The above example is missing its cowcatcher or pilot as the yanks like to say.

Bobby James could be worse , watching a 13 minute loop of a justin bieber song

is worse

American Siren Productions Ouch

Dude, there is a documentary here somewhere, about cruise-ship horns! I think it was about 90 minutes long.. You should see that

And then there was trouble....

"I'm giving you all she's got Captain!"

HAH :D

George Pierson hahaha that's got to b best comment on here good one

Ben Conway Cheers.

Boom! My dad said back in the 50's they'd put sand right out onto the frozen tracks....and it'd just pick right up and go....so they're pushing backward with this and there's no ice on the tracks etc. . But...now that they've nicely shined up them tracks with wheel spin....they'll probably never get past there. 🙄 seriously.

Tom Tee And now the Whites are having their farms confiscated and are being ethnically cleansed as we speak.

I wondered the very same thing. If the engine wasn’t equipped with sanders, and wheels are slipping, improvise! Kick something on the rails and see what happens. Traction will happen! RL

I'm thinking the very unlevel track probably has something to do with not having any traction.

It says in the description that this was done deliberately to run in a set of new driving wheel tires. Descriptions are useful, you should read them.

@@engineerskalinera BS...........

LOL

+pipey61 YES!

+pipey61 It's Africa, man! Where the hell are they going to find sand in Africa?

+Sincronicity How about the Sahara desert?

I'm going to start calling you Sheldon Cooper. You don't seem to understand sarcasm. You are 0 for 1

+Sincronicity sorry Mr serious. fuck if you know you can use just about anything to get more grip. like dirt or even stones. but all that is common knowledge...

read the description

Thomas the Tank Engine would have brought in Sam to help ;-)

That's what I'm sayin

Why was Henry painted black? D:

racist

Pushing would be a better idea than pulling.

ROFLCopter - Jim H, that was funny.

You only need to have the right person at the controls.

***** lol

QuebeC VR no a small tank engine,

QuebeC VR Do you have one available? How close is it? Would you really save enough time and money to be worth paying the extra crew? Besides, the job got done without it.

@@FS2K4Pilot actually, the small diesel would be on it's way without the steam train, cause that steam train is not designed to haul heavy equipment. So yes, the diesel would help tremendously.

Ooooooor there wasn't sand available?

There's no sand dome on this loco? Where is the sand kept?

This is in Africa where isn't there sand

mulymule12 .

david whiting y

+papoocanada why are you surprised? None of these slips are violent by any means.

+mikado1555 the most he did was wear down the rail. not anything with the, "rods?" ain't the first time I've seen something like this. try dragging a locked axel on a diesel for 5 miles because you can't set it out anywhere.

Steel PC Gaming I agree that none of this has to do anything with the rods and that the engineer/driver wore down the tires and rails. I haven't had to drag any equipment. I am an engineer and mainly operate steam engines. This video isn't ideal but nothing violent. I have been in similar situations myself (not for that length of time or track) and can understand the skill it took to do that.

i was yard crew/conductor. its worse when you see the wheel slip indicator and sand is applied then you start hearing the sound of squealing hot metal for 2 minutes then see sparks and your whole train gets slammed into emergency. ive toyed with steam, but im mostly diesel and traction electric. i would have still gotten out and grabbed some of that roadside sand i saw, at least get some traction. i bet the rail was nice and shiny when he got done though. and about a half inch smaller

Putting sand on the rails can help. It is highly inadvisable to put sand on the rails when the wheels are slipping. One side may dig in while the other side is slipping. This can put a huge strain on the axles and rods and could bend/break axles, rods crank pins.

oh sorry im late, here's your buckets "YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE AN HOUR AGO" Shit

Eco 33 Good help is hard to find. lol

The wheel slip could be due to weight

Look at the loco, it doesn't have a sand dome... weird.

Daksha Borkhatrice wheel slip is due to a lot of things. a big problem in the north east is the falling leaves in the fall. when the engine wheels pulverize them they release oils, add some rain to that and a train has hell to pay going up inclines.

Laurence Oliveri just image how corny that would look

Shunting at Knapford with the tank engines

Poor driving skills We used dry sand on our locomotives not wet sand Our skilled drivers also used the regulator very professionally

LOCO : Thanx for releasing the handbrake Makes my work easier

joe gilbert the African version of unstoppable

And then the brakes will most likely fail.

Unstartable. ♡ T.E.N.

LMAO

+vector6977 well they definately couldv'e used all the energy that was wasted

+vector6977 name just one!

+Sincronicity it's a joke.

+Sincronicity it's a joke.

+hawkeye0248 And your level of knowledge and experience with full size steam engines is what exactly? Are the wheels worn? Engines with worn wheels tend to be slippery. Are the sanders working? Does the engine have sanders for reverse? Is the brake rigging hanging up on the cars or something else causing extra resistance? Is this class of engine known to be light on the drivers and slippery? Is the track uneven enough that too much weight is being transferred to the lead truck and trailing truck, making the engine slippery? If this engine is based off an English design, the throttle/regulator might not be a balanced type that we use in dome throttles in the USA. If it is the unbalanced type, it can be hard to feather and can open very quickly and too much. So the dry pipe fills up with steam and it takes a while to empty. Kinetic friction is less than static friction so once the wheels break loose, the pressure really needs to drop quite a bit before it can regain traction. If the engine is moving, he may be trying a controlled slip to keep the little momentum that he has. He could also be trying to keep enough steam into the cylinders to slow them down slowly and not have them come to a complete stop. If it is an unbalanced throttle, you don't have the fine feel of a balanced throttle and it can be harder to regulate the steam in small amounts. There are way too many unknowns to blame the engineer/driver.

+mikado1555 Oh come on, you are just trying to protect this incompetent driver.The driver should know the constrains on his engine and operate it accordingly - and not just fuck on regardless.

hawkeye0248 You know fvck-all about railroading. Sometimes you just have the engine you're given (maybe it's the biggest and best they have/have available/will fit weight limits and clearances on that particular bit of pike), and you have the job you're given, and you just have to make it work any way you can. If that means torturing the engine, then that's what you have to do. You say this engineer's incompetent? In fact he just took an overloaded engine and somehow got the job done anyway.

mikado1555 Very well said sir. Every point you raise is 100% valid. I come back to this video from time to time to see what other ignorant/know it all comments have been posted. I bet most of these people have never lifted a regulator in their lives or had to fight your way up a slippery hill in the rain. Cheers from New Zealand.

Driver doesn’t know what he is doing or not properly trained. I don’t expect him to know μ(k) < μ(s) but he should have been trained to know that instead of applying full torque he should have applied only the maximum allowable torque that would NOT result in slippage and slowly move out of that area.

Unless the sanders have failed, wheel slip is a matter of driver skill, not maintenance.

Yep, that's what I reckon

I see the train move backwards at several points... looks like he's fighting a grade.

I think he was back-loading the couplings between the cars... there is probably 10 feet of play with all those couplings added together, so he could throw the weight of the engine before the entire stack loaded up in the forward direction again.

Hear Hear. I thought old mate was doing a real good job of controlling the slips, and apart from the cant on the curve, the engine appears to be leaning over to the right as if she's got a broken spring or twisted frame. No sand doesn't help either. Too many armchair experts in the world. Cheers From Australia.

@@adriannettlefold9084 Thanks for the support. If the loco is leaning because of crook springs, that would upset her as it would upset the weight on her drivers. The wheel slips were not violent. It would have polished the rails nicely.

@@bigkiwimike I was a Driver on Queensland Rsils heritage fleet and know the scenario all to well. I I miss the old kettles. You can spot the blokes from those that think they do pretty quick , hey. Cheers.

@@adriannettlefold9084 you must have had some fun. They have/had a great collection of locos. In 1982 I went to Toogoolawah behind the Bb18 1/4. I would love to see the Garrett running again some day but I believe major repairs to her foundation ring is in order.

@@bigkiwimike yeah had a few good trips with 1079. BG 1009 Probably won't see the light of day again(boiler, Cylinders, tyres, water tank all need repairs), it all comes down to political will at the end of the day. The entire heritage fleet needs Big $$$ spent on it to see it running again. Unfortunately for me, I am now back in Emerald and unlikely to ever work on any of the steam even if it were operating again. Only Mayne train crew get to work heritage. Anyways... off to moonlight for Watco on a stock train tonight. Cheers.

+navy57 And what experience do you have with steam engines? Any? Are the wheels worn? Engines with worn wheels tend to be slippery. Are the sanders working? Does the engine have sanders for reverse? Is the brake rigging hanging up on the cars or something else causing extra resistance? Is this class of engine known to be light on the drivers and slippery? Is the track uneven enough that too much weight is being transferred to the lead truck and trailing truck, making the engine slippery? If this engine is based off an English design, the throttle/regulator might not be a balanced type that we use in dome throttles in the USA. If it is the unbalanced type, it can be hard to feather and can open very quickly and too much. So the dry pipe fills up with steam and it takes a while to empty. Kinetic friction is less than static friction so once the wheels break loose, the pressure really needs to drop quite a bit before it can regain traction. If the engine is moving, he may be trying a controlled slip to keep the little momentum that he has. He could also be trying to keep enough steam into the cylinders to slow them down slowly and not have them come to a complete stop. If it is an unbalanced throttle, you don't have the fine feel of a balanced throttle and it can be harder to regulate the steam in small amounts. There are way too many unknowns to blame the engineer/driver.

+mikado1555 I have NO experience with steam locomotives. I DO have a great deal of experience with major machinery -- steam, internal combustion, and electrical. I know when it's being abused, or in this case, tortured. I'm an engineer by natural inclination, by education, and by years of practical experience with US Navy ships, especially as Engineer Officer of two submarines. I need no sneering -- "You don't know what you're talking about ..." criticism from you. As boy growing up in New Orleans during WWII I observed innumerable steam locomotives in action. My home was less than a half mile from the New Orleans Public Belt RR which linked all of the trunk railroads with the port facilities. They were hauling all kinds of military freight -- tanks, trucks, guns, airplanes -- you name it -- 24/7. It wasn't necessary to observe them. They could be heard around the clock These NOPBR's locomotives -- mainly 2-8-0 switch engines -- were operated by professionals, not by blithering idiots as the individual who was yanking the throttle in the video appeared to be. If there was any slippage, at a start it rarely happened more than once -- not for 25 consecutive minutes like the locomotive featured in this debacle.

+mikado1555 Why are you copying and pasting the same comment to other people on this video?

I'm asking them the same questions as they are making the same comments. Chances are they all have 0 experience with steam and are only guessing and blaming. Strong opinions are not always good, especially when the person how has the strong opinion has 0 or very limited knowledge about the topic. Nothing is ever straight forward, black and white. If the complainers and blamers can't answer the questions, explain why it matters or know what the questions are talking about, then they don't have much knowledge about the topic. I don't understand why people in their ignorance would have strong opinions and blame and feel that they know how to do it/what was done wrong. Their complaining/bitching attitude is a bit arrogant. Don't you agree?

+DavexScott88 Good question. Perhaps Mikado1555 believes he is the ultimate source of knowledge about steam locomotives. The more people he interrogates about this video, the better he feels about himself. I don't care why this locomotive's drivers were slipping -- for 25 minutes. There are lots of factors that, individually or in combination, could be the cause(s) for it, but it is what was happening,not why, that bothered me. If Mikado1555 would step back from his "holier than thou"; stance and look at the video, maybe he could acknowledge that this locomotive was being TORTURED ... I will cheerfully stipulate that Mikado1555 knows a lot more about steam locomotives than I do, ever will care to know. On the other hand I have significant knowledge about a broad spectrum of engineering matters -- about which he has NONE.

Scott Kuchciak .....not

Chris Doig The class 16C had 1520mm drivers. Some of them were later changed to 1600mm, that's about 5 ft 2 inches. The SAR then reboilerd the class with watson boilers and they were reclassified as 16CR. The 16E had 6 ft drivers and poppet valve gear that wouldn't have survived in industry for very long. A mountain class locomotive like the 19 would have done better under these circumstances. There are industrial site in SA that still use steam to this day and they happen to be 19 class locomotives. Unfortunately the axle loading on a 25 would stop it from traveling on most industrial lines and they were very slippery at the best of times. The 24 was just as slippery, take a look at my videos of the 24 class maintained by our club.

+Wayne Nauschutz You are correct - I should have said it was the 16E that had the 6ft drivers; other class 16s had smaller drivers. Enjoyed your steam & diesel videos in the Swartland - it's been a long time since I last saw Moorreesburg station! Apart from riding steam trains in the 70s, I was hang gliding in that area in the 80s near Porterville.

they ran 70mph+ reguraly on the port Elizabeth Uitenhage suburban trains. my dad had 790 till withdrawn from suburban service

Sandbox doesn't exist in these kind of steam locomotives

TouffmanJasonTGV Actually they did!

Wayne Nauschutz o i didn't knew

TouffmanJasonTGV no problem.

+Lavern Dickerson Are the wheels worn? Engines with worn wheels tend to be slippery. Are the sanders working? Does the engine have sanders for reverse? Is the brake rigging hanging up on the cars or something else causing extra resistance? Is this class of engine known to be light on the drivers and slippery? Is the track uneven enough that too much weight is being transferred to the lead truck and trailing truck, making the engine slippery? If this engine is based off an English design, the throttle/regulator might not be a balanced type that we use in dome throttles in the USA. If it is the unbalanced type, it can be hard to feather and can open very quickly and too much. So the dry pipe fills up with steam and it takes a while to empty. Kinetic friction is less than static friction so once the wheels break loose, the pressure really needs to drop quite a bit before it can regain traction. If the engine is moving, he may be trying a controlled slip to keep the little momentum that he has. He could also be trying to keep enough steam into the cylinders to slow them down slowly and not have them come to a complete stop. If it is an unbalanced throttle, you don't have the fine feel of a balanced throttle and it can be harder to regulate the steam in small amounts. There are way too many unknowns to blame the engineer/driver.

Daddy?

Well, you know...

Glenn Hubbard Lmao he gets it! ^^^

UnbeltedSundew 3'6" cape gauge.

+Restored Prints You mean aligning the pins and bushings to be in time with the valves?? Yeah,I'm sure thats what you meant.....I think this idiot forgot to release his car brakes.

The majority of steam locomotives back then also had sand. Just not this one for some bizarre reason

InsideOfMyOwnMind Better than diesel.

+g bridgman it would most likely be held as irresponsible on some railroads/in some countries, but other places they might not care as much about the equipment, just get the job done.

Sand ain't expensive, this is in Africa.

B. Xoit Yes, it could be done mechanically, though this is more an operator and maintenance issue. But in this case you had an operator that kept insisting in laying into the throttle every time it got the slightest grip instead of either slowly building speed or dispensing sand on the rails (and other available solutions as well) to gain traction quickly. Such is what happens when nobody cares to take proper care of their machinery, if only they took some pride in their work and machinery.