Sounds nice - Can you somehow do lat pulldowns on it?

Normally, can do one arm lat pulldown. I've been thinking about getting a double hook bar such as from bells of steel to use both stacks combined. Because of the 2:1 pulley ratio, that's only 170 lbs. Less than a dedicated lat machine. If lat pulldown is important, Rep is coming out with Adonis soon, with both 2:1 and 1:1 ratios. Higher price of course

Can you add a Y dip bar?

I think they've said in a past video that they actually do watch coops videos.

They definitely do; they embedded coops review directly on their product page

If they release a wider version I’m buying it!

@@tbroschat81same!!!! It’s taller too. They finally have a home gym cable crossover that checks all the boxes!

When is the Arcadia Max ( the bigger version) coming out ?

Same. Really excited for that one! - Coop

@@GarageGymReviews Thoughts on this versus the unreleased Adonis? Any idea on when it might be available?

Thanks for the feedback; happy to hear that! - Coop

agreed!!

Basement Brandon, he doesn't have them regularly available, but when he does, they go fast.

My friend @BasementBrandon sells them. Love the logo! - Coop

I’ve seen them say April…

Wow, super helpful. Thanks for writing in so much depth. Can you link any of the research that I can reference in future videos? Thank you, for real. - Coop

​@@GarageGymReviews Sure thing! Quick note: this stuff seems to mostly apply to muscle growth/hypertrophy rather than strength, so if you only care about strength outcomes you really just need to train in the range of motion you're interested in being strong in and ensuring there's maximal tension in that range. Training in a full range of motion and ensuring there's tension in the stretched position definitely seems to have growing evidence that it's best for hypertrophy and even increases flexibility and strength in those ranges which results in better mobility too (kneesovertoesguy/ATG's content shows a lot of this in practical ways for general mobility/longevity). Here's a pretty comprehensive article from Dr. Milo Wolf and Greg Nuckols discussing a lot of the nuances of training at longer vs shorter muscle lengths and how stretch mediated hypertrophy may work. They cite numerous studies around the subject you can check out and have a short practical takeaway section at the end too. I believe even more studies have come out since this was posted in Nov-2022 and not sure if they updated the article with it or not: www.strongerbyscience.com/rom/ Here's a 15-ish minute technical overview of some of the science behind it by Menno Henselmans and he talks about some of the studies done as well: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n7ygqayW05i7iIU.htmlsi=4fT5ljGuIm6gi72E Also, for a short real-world example, watch the section of this Renaissance Periodization video with Menno on the Bayesian curls (especially the end of this part where he talks about how the cable position relates to tension in all cable exercises since this similarly applies to cable chest flys): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rbSVnK-Eqt24eJ8.htmlsi=1GxHF7T6pysrqoZJ&t=94 If you want to learn more, I'd search around for content on stretch mediated hypertrophy and/or lengthened partials (a.k.a long-length partials), there's a ton out there so I don't want to overwhelm by linking to everything I've seen in this comment lol. I will say Dr. Mike Israetel (Ph.D sport physiology) on the Renaissance Periodization KZfaq channel is a great resource for all things hypertrophy related, as well as Dr. Milo Wolf from Wolf Coaching, he did his Ph.D on range of motion. The MASS research review in addition to Stronger By Science and Menno Henselmans that I already linked to earlier are also great resources. But the basic idea is that for every muscle tested in studies so far it seems that equal or better growth occurs when we ensure we move the muscle through its lengthened/stretched range of motion (although it doesn't have to be the absolute maximum that the muscle is capable of, just close) while ensuring there is also a decent amount of tension through that range as well (again doesn't need to be maximal tension in maximal stretch, just ensuring that there is some notable tension in the longer muscle lengths). So, if you apply this latest data to cable chest flys, it seems like the optimal setup would be with the cables positioned somewhere around forming a perpendicular line from the back of your hand at the bottom of the fly. Since most people have around a 60" to 80" wingspan, but also bend the arms slightly during a fly, I'd guess anywhere around 40" to 90" functional trainer width would probably be indifferentiable practically for most people in the real world. Technical maximum tension will likely be narrower than the width of your hands during the fly since most should be flexible enough to angle the arms slightly behind the body at the bottom and thus having the functional trainer width narrower would results in 90° cable to hand angle at the bottom and ensure the moment arm with the chest is maximized in the stretch position. Unfortunately, we don't have a direct study on the cable chest fly as an exercise to determine the exact ideal positioning of the cables but all the literature we have on stretch mediated hypertrophy and lengthened partials in numerous other muscles makes it pretty straightforward to infer how to setup a similar resistance profile with a cable chest fly. Ironically, this is why the dumbbell chest fly can be a great chest builder since gravity always pulls straight down so you get pretty maximal tension in the wide stretched position and then minimal tension at the top making it effectively a lengthened-partial. You can think of it like gravity is an adjustable-width cable setup that moves the pulley width automatically so it's always directly below/behind your hand throughout the movement and this is why when you bring the dumbbells in there's no tension at the top as the force is directly in line with your arms. The wider the pulley setup moves past your wingspan, the more the top squeeze point is when forces are maximized as the cable will be closest to perpendicular outward and then tension gradually decreases as your hands open up and get more in line with the direction of pull, basically minimizing the tension/stretch on the chest in the bottom/start position. Then in a medium/narrow cable setup (one that's at least wider than your shoulders but less than wingspan) there's still some tension at the top squeeze but it's minimized, and it slowly maximizes at some point as you open outward and your hands become perpendicular to the direction of the pull. And last thing I'll note, this is pretty nuanced and minor detail stuff that at best seems to make maybe 5-10% difference in results long-term. So it's not like a super wide cable fly setup won't work at all, it's still going to produce great results, but it's definitely not maximizing the stretch like has been commonly purported just based on pretty standard physics of the cable lining up more with the arms/chest in the wide stretch position and thus reducing the tension on the chest. If we want to look at the latest science and try to keep optimizing our exercises around that, it seems like a slightly narrower setup around wingspan width (or slightly narrower since most people can actually get their arms angled slightly behind their body at the bottom of the fly) would probably be just a little better to create a more perpendicular force in the stretched position. Sorry for such a long post!! This stuff is pretty technical and not something most need to worry much about, but I hope it makes a bit more sense now where saying a wider cable setup is better for "stretch" just isn't really in-line with the latest science for muscle growth and the physics for maximizing tension and actually stretching the chest, people just often feel a wide setup a bit more since they like to emphasize the top squeeze position more and often cut out the true deep stretch letting the arms go back behind the body as far as possible.

I don't have any research, but in my experience, super wide flys with cable or dumbbells never felt that effective for me. It seemed a effective way to strain my shoulders rather than put the pecs through a loaded stretch

I’m not worried about the stretch because you can work around that by doing one side at a time if it means that much. What I’m thinking about is pull downs without a bench or way to hold myself down. Only trim waiting to see the price tag on the Adonis.

^ Agreed!!

Problem with these is the very limited reach-especially of two cables together

@@hoondackymaheez5161 yeah I know the range is limited when both cables are connected and the ratio is 1:1. It seems like a unique solution that could work in some spaces.