Repertoire: The BEST Janáček Glagolitic Mass

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The Ultimate Classical Music Guide by Dave Hurwitz

The Ultimate Classical Music Guide by Dave Hurwitz

4 жыл бұрын

One of the great choral works of the 20th century, the Glagolitic Mass has achieved sufficient notoriety that it's ripe for "new edition mania." Let me help you make sense of the available choices, and steer you straight regarding the best recordings.

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@chickenschnitzel
@chickenschnitzel Жыл бұрын
You should add to the list, Frantisek Jilek's version on Supraphon. Jilek was principal conductor of the Brno Opera for 25 years and then took over the Brno Philharmonic. This is a warm, lyrical, sensual version with a superb quartet. It's an authentic counterpoint to Ancerl and Mackerras, as if Barbirolli had been born Czech.
@barbaricyawper14
@barbaricyawper14 4 жыл бұрын
So glad to hear you review Janacek's masterpiece! Kubelik, Mackerras 1, Ancerl are my all time favorites. I bought the Robert Shaw Atlanta on Telarc when it came out and, boy, what a snoozefest! I don't think I've played it in over 29 years. What it's still doing in my cd collection is beyond me. Incidentally, it was your review of Ancerl's Taras Bulba that got me interested in Ancerl and you haven't steered me wrong there. Thank you and keep up the great work!
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much, I'm glad I could help you find music that you've enjoyed over the years!
@herbertglass4941
@herbertglass4941 4 жыл бұрын
Most enjoyable and informative. Thanks! I had the honor, if that's the word, of introducing the Mass to Leonard Bernstein when I worked for the New York Philharmonic in the '60s. He flipped over it and performed and recorded it -- before he had ever learnt it, so to speak. Not THAT unusual a procedure for this wonderful, enigmatic, not always rational (and I speak only musically) man. An interesting aspect of that eminently forgettable recording was the participation of bass George Gaynes, then chiefly a Broadway singer and later in his career, as an actor, the bumbling police chief in the egregious "Police Academy" films. Which I loved!
@gjb9231
@gjb9231 3 жыл бұрын
You are too modest, Mr. Glass. While performance practice of the Mass may have moved on, the Bernstein recording at that time hit like a ton or bricks.....got great publicity and sold well and (I think) is still available. And in its own way, it has its own charms (authentic or not as the case may be). I will definitely be checking out some of performances mentioned above.
@herbertglass4941
@herbertglass4941 3 жыл бұрын
@@gjb9231 Very glad you made me listen again, which I had not done when I wrote to Dave regarding his roundup of Glagolitics. Unlike the comparison mavens I have not listened to a dozen recordings of the work (maybe half that). But my introduction to it was via an optimally "authentic" interpretation, by conductor Bretislav Bakala and Brno forces in a Supraphon recording distributed in the U.S. by a fly-by-night outfit named Artia-Parliament, which was valuable for its dissemination of Czech music, much of it little or unknown in the U.S. ca. 1960 -- and for which I worked, with the laughable title of Music Director (it's a complicated story), prior to my association with the New York Philharmonic. Bakala was a Janacek acolyte who conducted one of the first performances of the Mass in the late-1920s and was the organ soloist in many others. Anyway, my remark that LB's version was "forgettable" seems harsh now that I've gone back to it. Rather, it was forgotten. It remains a bit of a mess (no pun intended), with some very awkward balances. But LB's enthusiasm infects every measure. The big organ solo, however, is here lacking its inherent crazy melodrama. Anyway, I enjoyed the performance as a whole and relived some happy memories of my youth in New York and the beginnings of my professional career. Thanks, GJB.
@herbchilds1512
@herbchilds1512 Жыл бұрын
This is Janacek, a roaring atheist, telling the pious and sanctimonious and the clergy where they can shove it. Breaks all the rules of music and religion. A unique, difficult and incomparable masterpiece.
@ftumschk
@ftumschk 4 жыл бұрын
I was really impressed by the Leoš Svárovský recording, which I stumbled across by accident a couple years ago, and I'm glad I did. A more recent, less happy find was Bernstein's, which was a shocker; I thought he'd be great in such a vibrant piece, but I couldn't have been more wrong.
@giacomofirpo2477
@giacomofirpo2477 4 жыл бұрын
You're absolutely right! I've got the Kempe...really stunning...I liked also Ladislav Slovák and his Slovak forces on the Glagolitic Mass...really very good, but I don't remember for which label he did it...
@johnmontanari6857
@johnmontanari6857 4 жыл бұрын
I kid you not, I enjoyed the Mackerras/Supraphon earlier today. Great! I was in a choir at UMass Amherst that attempted to prepare the Mass for a memorial concert for viollinist Julian Olevsky, who taught there for many years. Well, between the language and the harmonies and the vocal scores without accompaniment -- forget it. We did the Brahms Nanie instead, which was perfectly lovely. I'm really enjoying the videos, Dave. Thanks!
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 4 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome.
@Wolfcrag85
@Wolfcrag85 4 жыл бұрын
My favorite version is Kempe on Decca/Eloquence.
@jewgienij131
@jewgienij131 11 ай бұрын
I love Janacek and Czech music.
@mkaye818
@mkaye818 3 жыл бұрын
100% agree with your selection of the recommended Mackerras version. I bought it when it originally came out based on a cd review in Stereo Review. It was a revelation then and still is now, 35 years or so after its release. Nothing surpasses it. The power. The soloists. The orchestral playing. The pacing. And that ending. Absolutely astonishing. Every other recording just misses. There are some close 2nds - Ancerl, and the first recording by Bakala esp! - but nothing beats the Mackerras Czech Phil version. It's an early digital recording and was recorded in a recessed fashion. That's probably the one negative thing I can say about it. By the way, I first fell in love with this piece as the soundtrack to Kenneth Anger's film Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome. I have almost every recorded version and I'm in lock step with David on this one and David knows his Janacek and what makes him so singular and epic.
@johnmontanari6857
@johnmontanari6857 4 жыл бұрын
P.S. Back in '98, I hosted a trip to Prague and environs for listeners to the public radio station for which I did programming and hosting. We took a side-trip to Janacek's home in Brno. I was thrilled, but most of the other folks, who had never heard of him, resented the day spent outside of Prague. They did perk up, however, when on the way back, we stopped at the monastery where Gregor Mendel did his genetics experiments. And they *really* perked up when we enjoyed food and drink at a winery, with music provided by a folk ensemble drawn from the Czech State Phil. A great trip, including Don Giovanni at the Estates Theater where it premiered.
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@isaacsegal2844
@isaacsegal2844 3 жыл бұрын
I recently downloaded the Svarovsky (couldn't find a physical version) and it's everything you said it was. There's a roughhewn immediacy to it that presents the work in a fresh perspective-at least for me. I'm still waiting to hear it live. There was a Philly Orchestra performance about seven years ago, but we had a long-booked trip to Europe the same week, so it's still on my musical bucket list. BTW, that might make a good topic for your audience: works you love but have never (or not nearly enough) heard live. The VW "Sea Symphony" is one of mine. Right behind the Janacek.
@hopelittwin
@hopelittwin Жыл бұрын
Just found your channel with this video, excellent info Tysm! I’m a composer doing my phd at Princeton and studying this piece for general exams - it was assigned to me - had never heard of it before! Thank you for this rundown :)
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide Жыл бұрын
Good luck on the exam!
@hopelittwin
@hopelittwin Жыл бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuide thank you!
@garycohen1806
@garycohen1806 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this insightful review of a favorite piece, which I am fortunate to have heard live in concert several times, including in Prague with the Czech Philharmonic under Sawallisch in the early 1970s. I agree in general with your choice of favorite recordings, particularly those by Ancerl, Mackerras/Czech Phil., Kempe, Wit, and Kubelik. Kubelik, though, got some surprisingly rough and sloppy trumpet playing by the BRSO in the final Intrada. Leos Svarovsky did it well in Brno, but I am disappointed in Netopil's performance and in what the Zahradnik edition of the score he uses does with the crucifixion episode of the Credo, which is much less than the wild three timpanists' "excursion" in the "original" version edited by Paul Wingfield.
@johnwright7749
@johnwright7749 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you and congratulations for discussing the Glagolitic Mass, my favorite 20th century choral work. Kubelik was also my introduction to the work back in 1965. I agree the best is Mackerras and the Czech Phil. Not only is the performance exciting, but he includes the 14 bars missing from the end of Svet in the published score. The new Barenreiter edition of the published score also includes those measures. Supraphon issued a DVD of Mackerras and the Czechs of the original version that is wonderful-better I think than his Chandos account on CD, though there is certainly nothing wrong with that. I can only agree with you on Ancerl, Svarovsky, and Wit-terrific performances all. And if you want the Sep 1927 version, Belohlavek and the Czech Phil did it very well on one his last recordings, on Decca. Just my two-cents worth!
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I have the DVD and we reviewed it at ClassicsToday,com, Great fun!
@2906nico
@2906nico 3 жыл бұрын
I've owned a whole raft of versions at some time or other. In a recent cull, I came down to two, Ancerl and Mackerras (first recording). And Netopil, but only for the novelty of having an alternative edition of the score.
@lukasjanata5825
@lukasjanata5825 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the insightful review. Though, I must say that to me, Tomáš Netopil’s project struck the chord the most. I understand your disliking of digging into unfinished versions of works, but it is known that Janáček’s music was often revised against his will due to his notorious impracticality, and generally a lack of time or high quality talent for its production. The September 1927 was redacted and kept by his pupil Jiří Zahrádka and for many of us, it really keeps the whimsical and raw idiosyncratic energy that the composer possessed, especially at this stage of his life. The orchestration is just stunning, and the unsettled gestures full of this Moravian schwung are incredible. It helps that Netopil is from Morava, as based on my study of all available recordings, many actual Bohemian productions lose the gist. I am very happy that I had been present at the release party along with the first in the history all of Kabeláč’s symphonies. I really believe that the unusual amount of care, time, and energy that Netopil and Czech Radio Orchestra brought to this recording would be very resonant with the beloved composer.
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 2 жыл бұрын
Gee, I don't. There's no evidence that the Mass was corrected "against his will," and uglier, noisier, rougher, or more impractical does not equal "better," even with Janacek.
@paullewis2413
@paullewis2413 28 күн бұрын
I love the Kempe recording. A much underrated conductor compared to his somewhat over hyped contemporaries.
@MartijnDendievel
@MartijnDendievel 3 жыл бұрын
When playing the entrada at the beginning of the piece as well as at the end, you get a nine movement mirrored structure. It's quite remarkable and I think the tension that this movement creates at the end, makes much more sense when having it heard already at the beginnig, alas seeing it as a door opening and closing the world of the glagolitic mass. Then, the Credo is the center of the piece with the organ solo (crucifiction scene) coming exactly in the middle of the performance. All other movements have their counterparts which in length as well as character, are the more or less same (Introduction x Organ solo, Kyrie x Agnus Dei, Gloria x Credo).
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 3 жыл бұрын
Nice try, but no. Janacek's final thoughts make more sense. Having two instrumental movements right at the start is pointless.
@ayethein7681
@ayethein7681 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I first heard the piece at a London promenade concert and was blown away. Recently I heard the original version live at the 'proms' and the revision is better. You talk a lot of sense about 'original versions' - especially Bruckner. Same with Sibelius 5. The revision is better - except I like the original final bars better!
@kend.6797
@kend.6797 4 жыл бұрын
The first Janacek album I ever purchased was the Mackerras/Pro Arte Orchestra album of preludes and Sinfonietta. I have the Mackerras Glagolitic that you mention and I will have to give that a run through one of these days. I heard Boulez conduct the work in chicago about 10 years ago and I ate that thing up. It certainly would have made an interesting recording.
@johnwright7749
@johnwright7749 4 жыл бұрын
Boulez did record the Glagolitic Mass with the Chicago SO. If it’s still available, it’s on a 2CD set “A Tribute to Pierre Boulez” from the orchestra itself. He conducts the “original” version and it is beautifully played and sung, but more like Debussy meets Janacek. Well worth a listen if you can get it.
@kend.6797
@kend.6797 4 жыл бұрын
@@johnwright7749 yes, I am aware of that recording. That recording is from an earlier set of performances than the one I attended in 2010.
@brabantstraat
@brabantstraat 3 жыл бұрын
I still have my original Supraphon vinyl LP of Karl Ancerl's recording. It's tremendously exciting, at least compared to Kubelik's version, which I also have on the original LP and was my first encounter with this work
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call Ancerl more exciting--perhaps grander in spots--but Kubelik is consistently quicker and more energetic. Ancerl has that amazing Czech choir and the Philharmonic. I wouldn't want to be without either of them.
@freddrums2002
@freddrums2002 Жыл бұрын
yes! that Mackerras sounds excellent! I used to love the MTT, which I think is london. unfortunately not on spotify
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide Жыл бұрын
It was on Sony, with the LSO.
@james.t.herman
@james.t.herman 3 жыл бұрын
I very much liked that Mackerras’s second record, with the Danish RSO, played the score as early Modernism. While I enjoyed Kempe and Kubelik, it seemed to me that they tried to make the music sound too much like Dvorak.
@barryguerrero7652
@barryguerrero7652 4 жыл бұрын
I saw Blomstedt do a wonderful concert in S.F., where he did Rachmaninoff's "The Bells" on the first half, and the "Gloglitic" Mass on the second half. That was fun!
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 4 жыл бұрын
I'll bet!
@oskarapeta2895
@oskarapeta2895 4 жыл бұрын
Dear David, exciting to hear you speaking so highly about the Warsaw Philharmonic and Antoni Wit version! I have heard him in Warsaw very often and I still remember for example his Turangalila. It was simply amazing! But what do you think about Gielens recording? He has some of the most exciting endings of this Mass, with great brass playing that really shows how strange and original this music really is!
@ftumschk
@ftumschk 4 жыл бұрын
You saw Wit's Turangalîla? I'm jealous! Judging by the recording, that must have been a fabulous experience live :)
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 4 жыл бұрын
Gielen is very fine too for sure!
@oskarapeta2895
@oskarapeta2895 4 жыл бұрын
@@ftumschk it was awesome! I still remember the power of the climaxes. And his Mahler is also very good - I heard him in 2nd and 3rd.
@oskarapeta2895
@oskarapeta2895 4 жыл бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuide it's a pity that he didn't record Sinfonietta. I'm curious about your favourite recording of this piece. Are you planing to make a video about it?
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 4 жыл бұрын
@@oskarapeta2895 Of course!
@WordsAndMusic07
@WordsAndMusic07 Жыл бұрын
Great and very helpful video; thank you so much for posting! Question for Mr. Hurwitz and/or for the wisdom of the crowd: We'll be performing this piece next month (November 2022) in the following version: published by Universal Edition (UE 34337), labeled "Fassung letzter Hand [final version] (1928)". The inside of the front cover says: "Copyright 1929, 1956 [...] This version Copyright 2010 [...]". Does anyone know which recording uses this recently published version? Would that have to be a new recording (i.e. after 2010), or is the comment about this version's copyright being from 2010 a red herring? Thanks in advance!
@magikarpolycarp
@magikarpolycarp 4 жыл бұрын
The Mackerras / Czech Philharmonic performance is only $5.99 on iTunes!
@maxmachado8632
@maxmachado8632 Жыл бұрын
Hello David! Would you consider doing an Ideal Janáček Opera list? I have been recently hearing and loving Janáček’s orchestral works and Opera for the first time (featuring Mozart’s Figaro and Wagner’s Dutchman) all of them with recomended recordings from you and I would really like to watch a talk about his operas. Thank you for reading and take care!
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide Жыл бұрын
No, there aren't enough recordings in my opinion, and Mackerras is a top choice for most of them.
@DanielGreineder
@DanielGreineder 11 ай бұрын
I agree with you as to the silliness of intermediate versions. It seems to me that they are inherently too much in flux to be ascribed the permanence of a completed version. Any appeal that they do have is confined to musicologists tracing the genealogy of one or other work, and they may study the scores and manuscripts. Intermediate versions make no sense to a concert going public. It is not even as if we all had the final version at our finger tips in this case.
@isaacsegal2844
@isaacsegal2844 3 жыл бұрын
At the risk of coming off as an accent yenta, I'd like to add that, when we took a weeklong walking tour of the Czech Republic a few years ago, I asked our walk leader (a native Czech) about the proper pronunciation of LJ's name. She placed the stress on the second syllable: "yahn-AH-check." Anyone with real linguistic credentials want to weigh in on this?
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 3 жыл бұрын
There are regional accents there, just like anywhere else, so no single correct way. I've been through it over and over.
@davidhofman8956
@davidhofman8956 2 жыл бұрын
Your walk leader was right. The emphasis is on the second syllable, but it's also possible that she was overdoing it on purpose to really send the point across. You are only supposed to prolong the "ah" slightly without making the syllable sound any louder. That is the single proper way. I can't account for all the regional accents out there, but it wouldn't be technically correct even if one did change this specific aspect of pronunciation. A simple rule to remember is that when instead of a, e, i, o, or u, you see á, é, í, ó, or ú/ů respectively, you are supposed to prolong that specific letter in the syllable, e.g., Dvo-řák (prolong 'a' in the second syllable), Mar-ti-nů (prolong 'u' in the third syllable), Suk (no prolongation).
@isaacsegal2844
@isaacsegal2844 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidhofman8956 Thanks for the clarification. The trip was over ten years ago, so I can't remember exactly how she said it. If she lengthened the vowel, as you said, it might have had the effect of making the second syllable more prominent; maybe that's what I heard. All I know is it was not the same "YAHN-ah-check" pronunciation we're used to over here. Wondering if we're saying other Czech names wrong, I looked up "Smetana" and saw that the sound sample came up "smeh-TAHN-ah." Does that sound right to you?
@davidhofman8956
@davidhofman8956 2 жыл бұрын
​@@isaacsegal2844 Sorry for the late reply. I somehow missed the notification. "Smeh-TAHN-ah" sounds right to me, though in the Czech language, all the syllables in his name sound about equally emphasized. As for some other Czech composers, I've noticed that people pronounce the "t" in "Martinů" the same way as in two; in Czech, it is supposed to sound the same as in "Tuesday". Then there is Dvořák. Since there is no English equivalent of "ř", I don't know how to put into words how exactly we pronounce his name, though what I usually hear people say in English is a good enough approximation.
@apolloskyfacer5842
@apolloskyfacer5842 3 жыл бұрын
The only recording I have is Simon Rattle on EMI Classics. Philharmonic Orchestra / City of Birmingham Symphony Chorus & Orchestra.
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 3 жыл бұрын
And it's horrible.
@apolloskyfacer5842
@apolloskyfacer5842 3 жыл бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuide Each to his own I guess.
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 3 жыл бұрын
@@apolloskyfacer5842 You said it, but I would suggest that you listen to some of the others I discuss, assuming you care enough about the work (I understand that you may not feel the need)!
@apolloskyfacer5842
@apolloskyfacer5842 3 жыл бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuide No doubt you're correct about there being better recordings of this amazing work. But I've got a 'simple ear' as it were for this kind of music. Simon Rattle's presentation of it make this work more accessible to someone like me. I've listened to several of the Eastern European performances, and to my 'ear' they come across as 'abrupt and noisy', even though they're no doubt more authentic. To get an idea as to where I'm 'coming from'. Listen to George Lloyd's Symphonic Mass on the Albany Label(Troy 100)
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 3 жыл бұрын
@@apolloskyfacer5842 I knew Lloyd and enjoy that work very much, but as i said, it's your call. You know what you like.
@kajuanlittle7038
@kajuanlittle7038 2 жыл бұрын
I like Robert Shaws recording!!
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 2 жыл бұрын
That's fine, but you should hear the others mentioned if you haven't already.
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