Reshaping a 4G63 combustion chamber how-to!

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HeadGames Motorworks

HeadGames Motorworks

Жыл бұрын

In this vid Dave shows you how to reshape a 4G63 combustion chamber and shows many tips and tricks that work on any head! This is the same chamber design that has set world records and powered some of the fastest 4G cars since 2001!
Tools used in this video
Electric Makita grinder -www.homedepot.com/p/Makita-2-...
Electric speed controller - goodson.com/products/variable...
Cleco air grinder -www.grainger.com/product/CLEC...
Burrs -
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3/8 HeadGames blendy - headgamesmotorworks.com/produ...
1/4 HeadGames debur burr - headgamesmotorworks.com/produ...
60 grit cartridge rolls - www.mscdirect.com/product/det...
120 grit cartridge rolls
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Scotch bright pads - www.mscdirect.com/product/det...
round rod - www.homedepot.com/p/1-4-in-x-...

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@KanjoNights
@KanjoNights 10 ай бұрын
I've never had the guts to tackle a cylinder head, but I've always gotten so much enjoyment from porting manifolds, O2 housings, etc. I don't know why, but it's almost meditative. You just zone in. I appreciate all the insight and the education on the 4G head, Dave!
@headgames
@headgames 10 ай бұрын
I couldn’t get into porting steel. Lol but happy to hear you find your zen porting something and get a little better from vids like this!
@hybridracers
@hybridracers 25 күн бұрын
I would like to have seen how you make each combustion chamber exactly the same shape and size. It is always interesting to see how others figure out solutions to problems you don't know you have.
@headgames
@headgames 23 күн бұрын
If the shape isn't there then the size won't be either. The OEM chambers are not all the exact same, this makes them the same.
@oligoon
@oligoon Жыл бұрын
great vid - love the 4g63 - was surprised how bad the OE casting was with the sharp edges etc
@danielllewellyn5720
@danielllewellyn5720 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for putting all this info out. I have always wondered about the factory machining in the combustion chamber. You answered a lot of questions here.
@headgames
@headgames 8 ай бұрын
Happy you got something out of it!
@thecontinuingadventureso-qs5zm
@thecontinuingadventureso-qs5zm 3 ай бұрын
Hi that was exactly the same as the last port and polish I did, Except I just had to go round with fine scotchbrite with solvo autosol on it. Best Wishes Dee
@jonathanhurdthe
@jonathanhurdthe 11 ай бұрын
Wow, excellent watch, thank you so much. It makes me miss when I was porting my 8v head for my redblock, such a fun process to learn. Can’t wait for the next project to build further on it 🙏
@mxcollin95
@mxcollin95 Жыл бұрын
Great sanding tool ideas that I’ve never seen. Just found your channel and have only seen a couple videos but man…I’ve learned a ton. I’m from the dirtbike world and haven’t seen anyone else use some of these techniques. Good stuff! 👍
@headgames
@headgames Жыл бұрын
Thanks Collin!
@DreamInVader360
@DreamInVader360 8 ай бұрын
Liked and subscribed- you do awesome work amd show technique in great detail. 👍
@headgames
@headgames 8 ай бұрын
thanks and welcome to the show!
@GILSJOURNEY
@GILSJOURNEY 2 ай бұрын
Thank you this is awesome, I am going to port tge head on my son's mini bike and I will try to use all the techniques you are teaching. I only have a small dremal but I am going to buy some single and double cut burrs for it. Thank you I am looking forward to completing you series on porting
@dinosshed
@dinosshed Жыл бұрын
It's great to see there are people who actually know what to do. I port two valve heads, both factory iron/ally and aftermarket. The call is becoming greater for the multivalve and it looks like a completely different world. Same general idea, but working the throat to bowl percentage out is something i need to develop. I've subscribed and thumbs up for your excellent content. Now looking to purchase some helix burrs.
@headgames
@headgames 8 ай бұрын
I came from doing nitrous BBC heads. Most of the same principles apply except there is airflow to be found on the floor and not just the roof. Thanks for watching!
@bobirving6052
@bobirving6052 3 ай бұрын
Good stuff! Thanks 👍
@CSBoostin
@CSBoostin Жыл бұрын
Another awesome helpfully video!! Thanks
@micahdoban3427
@micahdoban3427 Жыл бұрын
Great tips and tricks, thank you!
@headgames
@headgames Жыл бұрын
glad you got something out of it!
@miatafan
@miatafan Жыл бұрын
Id love to see you guy work your magic on a 1999-2005 mazda miata head, they flow quite poorly from factory
@peterbryant3584
@peterbryant3584 9 ай бұрын
Great video way different than other video I seen great content
@headgames
@headgames 9 ай бұрын
Thanks! Which video are you referring to?
@andrekemp5059
@andrekemp5059 Жыл бұрын
Super neat
@brian6029
@brian6029 6 ай бұрын
Would have loved to see more of the finish work with the scotch brite. Great vid tho as always. 😎👍👍
@TheObserver567
@TheObserver567 Жыл бұрын
Perfect
@drewski5730
@drewski5730 Жыл бұрын
CC 1JZ chamber plz and tnx? Your channel doesn’t get enough love!
@headgames
@headgames Жыл бұрын
I agree on the love, but hopefully that will come! Maybe next time a 1JZ comes through.
@steveguest8028
@steveguest8028 3 ай бұрын
Do you cc the chambers once finished ?
@ICTPerformance268
@ICTPerformance268 Жыл бұрын
🇦🇬 Flow a stock 3SGTE; pocket port with stock guides w/reflow; full port and bronze guides port w/reflow for comparison; valve seat job as you see fit. 🙇🏾‍♂️
@headgames
@headgames 8 ай бұрын
3SGTE head might find its way on the channel!
@1crazypj
@1crazypj 10 ай бұрын
Front exhaust on air die grinder is fantastic for keeping things 'clean' and being able to see what your doing. I never used a regulator like that one, just put finger under the throttle control to limit speed (never even saw a small regulator back then except for spray guns) Been using the 'split rod' in various diameters with reduced end since around 1978, it's handy for cleaning up any part with a small round bore and can be made whatever length you need (repairing rust seized motorcycle main stand pivots was very common back then) I only just subscribed after watching the Lambo head video, you do some interesting stuff. Have you done motorcycle heads? (Since retiring I miss this stuff more than I thought I would although porting was only a small part of 'playing with motorcycles' 😁 Everything being smaller makes things a little more challenging, cutting 6" shank burrs to 4" or 4.5" makes them a lot more controllable but with shorter ports a lot can often be done with regular 3". Have you heard of or worked on Suzuki TSCC? (twin swirl combustion chamber) It came out around 1979-80 and is still used today although it has evolved in the last 40+ years Treats the 'halves' of a 4 valve head as two separate narrow combustion chambers with central spark plug, kinda similar to how you modified that chamber.
@headgames
@headgames 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for subscribing! My grinder is to powerful for just holding it to the desired rpm because if you slip it’s bending the burr or especially anything that I’m sanding with. I’ve never messed with any older bike heads and now we are so busy with the cars we cater to that we don’t work on bike heads at all. Just getting into side by sides and we have been doing ski-doo stuff for many years.
@1crazypj
@1crazypj 10 ай бұрын
@@headgames Cool, thanks for reply. I didn't think you did bike heads but the TSCC may be of interest if you get hold of one just to look at. ( I just like to learn stuff) Suzuki used them on 'just about everything' after 1990. Don't know anything about modern Ski-Doo, only ever played with the two stroke motors which were kinda interesting from an engineering view as they did things 'different' Are they Rotax engines? I know a little about the 100cc V-twins as it was used by Aprillia. Totally understand doing car heads only, getting more power from large capacity motorcycles is a very limited market when it's already possible to buy stock factory motorcycles with 200+ hp from 1300 cc (or even 300+ with Kawasaki turbo 1400)
@richardmogel2186
@richardmogel2186 Жыл бұрын
Best head in town.
@headgames
@headgames Жыл бұрын
your alive!
@jeandoucet8784
@jeandoucet8784 Жыл бұрын
So great that you shared this; im curious do you guys finish it off with some polishing compound? I find it keeps the combustion bowl clean carbon wise and in theorie reflects the heat better a bit
@headgames
@headgames Жыл бұрын
that is hogwash in my opinion. We don't do anything more than what is shown. I think anything beyond that is just wasting time.
@blakemorris4065
@blakemorris4065 Жыл бұрын
Really enjoying the videos so far, I will be looking at doing some work to my toyota 4EFTE head soon. Alot of people talk about de-shrouding the exhaust valves. Could you explain this process and what to look out for when doing it? Regards Blake
@headgames
@headgames Жыл бұрын
Hey Blake! Thanks for the kind words and watching the channel! Man, I had to look that chamber up because we do not work on them. And I think your options are very limited on trying to enshroud the exhaust valve. In my opinion I would get your machinist a head gasket (can be used) and have him scribe it out (or you do this) so they can cut it with the valve job. If you start doing any kind of major reshaping be prepared to get a custom piston. Your honestly trying to shine a big turd in this situation, there's no good way to make it great with that exhaust valve buried in the chamber. I see minimal gains for a decent amount of effort.
@blakemorris4065
@blakemorris4065 Жыл бұрын
@@headgames thankyou very much for taking the time to have a look and reply! I look forward to more videos in the future.
@robertsothmann8110
@robertsothmann8110 Жыл бұрын
Hey Blake, I've built a head for a similar Toyota engine (same head casting I think) and got some good results. To be honest it's hard to de-shroud these at stock height. The key is to mill the cylinder head down (so that we have a lower shroud threshold) and then back cut the shrouded area of the chamber. The exhaust valves on these are too small but we can maximize by opening that area into an angle (being careful not to cut further than the radius of the bore). To compensate for the lowering of the head, you will have to get an adjustable cam pulley and re-time the cam. Good luck.
@jorgesalcedo5614
@jorgesalcedo5614 2 ай бұрын
Cómo haces después para recuperar la relación de compresión que de acuerdo al material quitado está en 8 a 1
@supernice_auto
@supernice_auto Жыл бұрын
Great content, I love my street port 4g63 head that was done by you guys a couple years back.
@headgames
@headgames Жыл бұрын
thanks !!
@blalex624
@blalex624 Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a complete RB head build 🤞
@headgames
@headgames Жыл бұрын
coming up!
@MattCWAY
@MattCWAY Жыл бұрын
It's awesome how easy you make this look. I've messed with a few heads in the past and it takes days when you're a beginner. About how many hours would you say it takes a pro to do a set of ports and chambers on a typical 4 cylinder head?
@headgames
@headgames Жыл бұрын
If I am not bothered I can do a head start to finish in 7-9 hours by hand
@ebf1003
@ebf1003 Жыл бұрын
I love these tutorials. Also convinced me that I don't want to tackle it. Do you know what happened to Trevor Johnson? I haven't seen his stuff for a long time.
@headgames
@headgames Жыл бұрын
🤣 it's easy! I am friends with him on Facebook but also haven't heard from him in at least a decade.
@ebf1003
@ebf1003 Жыл бұрын
@@headgames I haven't talked to him in about twenty years. Tried to call his old shop recently but got a wrong number. Not sure if he went over to T1 as I think Watt moved closer there and those two did a lot of work together.
@funkiwikid6106
@funkiwikid6106 11 ай бұрын
Hey thanks for some real good real world very helpful practical knowledge without BS and bad music. Re another comment about CC's, do you not bother at all ? Just not in this video ? Or is shape more important than size ? I'm wondering where you put equalling CC's on the importance scale ? I will be looking for more of your videos, keep them up.
@headgames
@headgames 11 ай бұрын
If the shape is not there, the CC won't be there either. It is a circle in essence so easily see when you are out. This was more of a tutorial on how to grind it, we would suggest CC before and after. Especially if you are not used to doing this kind of work.
@jorgesalcedo5614
@jorgesalcedo5614 2 ай бұрын
Por flujo mejora la dinámica,pero el rendimiento baja por tener relación de compresión baja después de restarle material
@marcusadolfsson3853
@marcusadolfsson3853 Жыл бұрын
Great video!! 👍👌 How much does your 4g63 DSM head flow (CFM) with +1mm valves and your 1200whp specs?
@headgames
@headgames Жыл бұрын
sorry my man, we don't share flow numbers.
@richardmogel2186
@richardmogel2186 Жыл бұрын
If you tell him your goals, he will give you the best option for your application.
@noahwhite7848
@noahwhite7848 Жыл бұрын
How would you sharpen the super spiral burrs? Or do they ever even need to be sharpened?
@headgames
@headgames Жыл бұрын
the short one used in the vid is about 8 years old. For the price of shipping, and the price of sharpening probably be cheaper to replace it.
@azizkhan1180
@azizkhan1180 Жыл бұрын
with respect to a 4g63 head, what will you say is the most you would take off when re-facing the head as to not cause head gasket failure from warping from high boost applications
@headgames
@headgames Жыл бұрын
.040 without issues. 80psi proven.
@TravisG001
@TravisG001 10 ай бұрын
​@@headgamesis that in regards to a dsm head or an evo head?
@headgames
@headgames 10 ай бұрын
Either one
@TravisG001
@TravisG001 10 ай бұрын
​@@headgames with the surface being decked up to .04in, do you need to do anything special to the valve seats to make sure it doesn't hit the piston or does the pistons usually already have enough clearance for that? I appreciate the insight!
@enjoytheride_cz
@enjoytheride_cz Жыл бұрын
What is the benefit from porting/reshaping of combustion chamber?
@headgames
@headgames 8 ай бұрын
You can add more timing which will bring EGT's down and it is less prone to detonation
@CJ5EVOLUTION
@CJ5EVOLUTION 7 ай бұрын
That chamber job is part of your 4G-1 full porting service correct?
@headgames
@headgames 7 ай бұрын
That is correct. But it’s the cnc version of it
@richardsargent113
@richardsargent113 7 ай бұрын
Ìf you take snips and cutsmall l v notches in that roloc it will naturall conform to the round
@zc18crx
@zc18crx Жыл бұрын
Are the combustion chambers CC'D after porting?
@headgames
@headgames Жыл бұрын
if customer needs that info. Otherwise no
@audirx8
@audirx8 Жыл бұрын
So you never checked to see if combustion chamber volume is the same after you finished ? If it was cnc i wouldn't ask but hand port it can be off enough to matter id think?
@headgames
@headgames Жыл бұрын
well, first off this was a non technical vid and no where did we say we would be CC. And actually the cnc you would have to question it more because it only knows where the chamber is supposed to be. We find often the chamber won't clean up on some cylinders and completely cleans up on others on our cnc heads because of core shift. CNC only is faster, it's not better in that way. If the shape is different by hand, then the cc is different. If you have been doing this long enough you are not doing the chambers and then CC all of them. That is some amateur stuff that should be done.
@audirx8
@audirx8 Жыл бұрын
@@headgames i should have put a question mark in my comment lol It wasn't intended to be questioning you as much as asking a question
@headgames
@headgames Жыл бұрын
@@audirx8 ohhhh~ sorry if I came off aggressive. Thanks for watching and commenting. I hope I still answered the question!
@CJ5EVOLUTION
@CJ5EVOLUTION Жыл бұрын
How much HP is only that chamber work worth ?
@headgames
@headgames 8 ай бұрын
wish I knew the answer to that.
@wes7143
@wes7143 Жыл бұрын
These how-to series of videos are great. I would love to see a video about how you would fix a head that has core shift causing a 1-1.5mm lip between the bottom of the valve seat and the runner like this: live.staticflickr.com/65535/52345824181_8b04183778_k.jpg Do you enlarge the seat throat? Do you hand port only the affected area? Would love to know. Thanks!
@headgames
@headgames Жыл бұрын
Wes, you just leave it. You could get it out, but it often makes the throat too big. There's no good way to address it, and it 100% is not worth the effort. People think there is a ton of gain there but it's just not considering you would have to remove the seat, weld, install seats, blend. Thousands of dollars later and many hours and you have something that is only marginally better.
@wes7143
@wes7143 Жыл бұрын
@@headgames Thank you! I've received a number of whacky suggestions and this is by far the most sensible. The math checks out. If I enlarged the throats 2-3mm on these Subaru heads, the throats would be way too large. Other than throat/valve percentage, is there a good guideline to know when the throats are too big?
@headgames
@headgames Жыл бұрын
@@wes7143 only other way you would know is the flow bench. I can tell you by experience that the Subaru is VERY sensitive to throat diameter. Probably the most sensitive of all the heads we work on. We can't even blend our valve job in without losing cfm. I would do stock size valves in that head too. Always.
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