Or by his proper name: _TESTAMENTUM, NOVUM_ . Mister Testamentum was noted for befriending the stoics and never inviting those libidinous epicureans to his parties.

Ignorant and wrong, probably not disingenuous.

Thou shalt not bear false witness.

@@lennierofthethirdfaneofchu7286 false witness includes an intent to deceive. I don't believe that's what's going on here. He's just an idiot.

close to? frogs hair away from

​​@@ronjones1414Ignorant, wrong and disingenuous: sounds like the pillars of all religious beliefs. 🤣

Don’t go down the Harry Potter rabbit hole. That gets out of hand when all those fan fiction sites come into play. 😂

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I'm not a Christian but I would absolutely stuff my gay son into a box and ship him to Saudi Arabia.

No one is born gay.

@soarel325 Yep. It's a looooong tradition of "trust me bro"

The earliest writing of author validation is from Papias in 125AD. Irenaeus’ quote from Adversus Haereses in 180AD is more commonly used as we have it as a completed work whereas Papias’ ‘Expositions of the sayings of our Lord’ are mostly lost. The Synoptics do not copy Mark word for word and there it is still a highly contested statement that Mark came first. It seems as though Matthew came first (or at a very similar time) and was distributed amongst the Jews written in Aramaic, as the movement grew, Matthew moved into Koine Greek which had been the language of education and information for centuries by that point. Both of these writings came from the early 50s and there are numerous hints from the text itself, such as the omission of certain names merely adding titles like ‘the women’ to conceal the identities and thus prevent the capture and persecution of these individuals from the Jewish persecutions of which Paul was a leading component until his conversion on the road to Damascus. None of the texts are second century, Revelation was written in 96AD and John the final Biblical author died in 100AD whilst in exile on Patmos. Moreover we can place the original copies of numerous texts to centuries after. Tertullian writing in c206AD in De Praescriptione Haereticorum XXXVI “Come now, you who would indulge a better curiosity, if you would apply it to the business of your salvation, run over the apostolic churches, in which the very thrones of the apostles are still pre-eminent in their places, in which their own *authentic writings are read, uttering the voice and representing the face of each of them severally.” *The Latin word “authenticae” most always refers to the original copy as possessed by the author. Amongst these texts preserved until at least this time are (and not limited to): 1&2 Corinthians Philipians Thessalonians Ephesians and the Gospel according to John Romans This is not an arbitrary list, but are the letters possessed by the names places as well as John being know to be possessed by the church in Ephesus due to other writings. These include: Fragments (Pseudo-Peter) V.VII Which also places the original preserved John at the time of writing in c330AD. ‘…as John, the divine and evangelist, teaches us in the Gospel written by him, […] and the copy itself that was written by the hand of the evangelist, which, by the divine grace, has been preserved in the most holy church of Ephesus, and is there adored by the faithful…’ This enables us to place the original John (for what reason would either have to lie and what possibility could they have had to gain from lying?) before such manuscripts as: P5, P6, P22, P28, P39, P45, P52, P66, P75, P80, P90, P95, P106 Not to mention the highly defensible claim that we can believe the preserved original to be preserved at the time of the construction of: Codex Vaticanus - 325-350AD Codex Sinaiticus - mid-4th-century AD Codex Alexandrinus - early-5th-century AD Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus - early-5th-century AD Whilst we obviously cannot make the claim so explicitly with regard to John being around at the time of the Codex, it seems as though we have excellent reason to be entirely confident in the textual preservation at any rate and there is no reason to doubt the attributes Gospel writers as well as (with the exception of John) no reason to falsely attribute to any of these names.

@@tobytranter2266 The texts Papias describes do not sound like our GMark and GMatthew, you’d know this if you actually watched any of Dan’s videos about the subject (let alone looked into it yourself). GMatt does not show any signs of having been translated from Hebrew or Aramaic, it’s very clearly a text written originally in Greek. Half of GMatt is word-for-word copying from GMark, most of the changes being clear attempts by the author of GMatt to fix what they saw as errors in GMark. 2 Peter, a text that barely even pretends to be authored by Peter (since it admits the entire first generation of Christians are deceased), is a second-century forgery, as are the Pastoral Epistles. There’s also compelling evidence that some of Luke-Acts (namely Acts) is from the early or even mid second-century. I'm not confident on this last point, though, I'd defer to M. David Litwa on it. The stuff around John dying on Patmos in 100 AD is folklore.

@@tobytranter2266 Papias says Mark made effort to not omit anything he had heard from Peter. That Mark also happens to be the shortest gospel with the least original material and what is common is abridged. So he didn't know what he was talking about either.

Mark literally cites his sources which have no other purpose than validation of his claims. You don't seem to understand textual criticism or historical writing or validation.

Big time! I wish apologists would admit that if we found out any of these texts were false, their day-to-day life would not change one bit. So, you can’t compare them to the New Testament.

Or if they did, those claims would be dismissed without a second thought. Massive double standards.

The writings about Caesar actually did claim him to be divine.

@gregogrady8027 that's true. He came from some divine lineage, a demigod perhaps. But I have never heard of somebody who actually believe those claims. But you are right about that.

Your argument is not persuasive. He's just an idiot.

Especially when 94% are 800 years later than Nt itself😂

Often it’s the opposite: more quantity => less quality 😉😄

​@pansepot1490 That is not even true complete completely. Technology? Did the printing press suddenly make books less quality than the work of a book maker? The quantity is spread over 1500 years, at least for NT, all over Europe, Africa, and else where, between wars, natural destruction, political strife, economic diasters, and more.

I think they are trying to appeal to people like us who want evidence. And they are essentially challenging us to say that even on our own terms, the Bible surpasses all expectations.

“faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” Obviously not even Christians can be fully convinced by faith alone. Faith is great BUT they also want the reassurance that they have tangible evidence on their side.

I think they are only making content for like-minded believers who may be having a bit of doubt.

I just don't get this. When you discover your faith is based on lies, why do people propagate those lies. You can still believe anything you want with faith. Why lie?

@@alexmcd378 Fear. Just straight-up, abject fear, which was instilled by self and group-deception and indoctrination.

@@alexmcd378 I really don't know but millions do. I think they are just scared of death.

@@geneshifter that's the reason for many, I'm sure. I've got a Christian friend whose only Christian trait isbelieving he gets to live forever and be with his family in heaven. I don't get it.

Every apologist ever.

Moreover, it wouldn't matter if Plato never actually existed and his works were written by a time traveler named Barry Manilow, because the works stand on their own.

@@VulcanLogic Oh MAN do I want to believe that Barry Manilow is a time traveler!

I agree with you. I want to know which of the many stories in the Bible overall will be off limits,starting with Lot & his daughters. 😅

Agreed. Rather than teaching the children of what to believe. The children need to be focused of what a person does in life. Not what happens to one after death.

@@IheartDogs55 I want to see a teacher asked, in regards to the Song of Solomon, that when the male narrator compares the woman he loves to a palm tree and her breasts to the palm fruit clusters, what exactly was he saying by stating "I say I will climb the palm tree and lay hold of its fruit"? In fact, if the teenagers of Oklahoma request, I'm sure people can provide a whole list of biblical passages they can ask their teachers about, which the teachers can then dutifully pass on that the students are asking about.

@@IheartDogs55 pornhub has covered that

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Herodotus was from Asia Minor.

Many methods are used ranging from epigraphy to archeology. As Dan said, we have a fragment of the Gospel of John. The academic can also date a text by the style used... This is why we know that Epicurus wrote 100 books (an uncertain knowledge like all serious knowledge) and what remains? 3 letters. You should know that the atomist doctrine of Epicurus was not appreciated by Christians and Muslims.... This is another aspect of the preservation and transmission of texts…

The top result from a simple web search is a urologist. Since that's the same level of scholarship the original creator did, we might as well assume that's correct

​@benroberts2222 maybe he's actually a proctologist and he pulled it from his ass.

Yes. Especially for naughty atomists like Democritus, Epicurus....

Books do not last forever and need to be continually copied and circulated to survive. The kingdoms of medieval Indonesia made extensive records, but they were all on palm leaves, so when those kingdoms fell, the infrastructure to maintain those records no longer existed and the existing leaf records quickly decayed. Deciding what to preserve is key to what survives. So the medieval Church tolerated pre-Christian mythological stories but not accounts of religious practice, so we have Homer, Hesiod, Ovid, etc. but little information on how ancient Greek worship of their gods functioned day to day.

@@digitaljanus So the answer to my question is " YES" , (ty)

@@digitaljanus absolutely. They alao choose to prioritize Plato, in a less extend Stoic and Aristotle, the latter in Byzantium. However "Sophists", pre Socratic and especially atomists (Epicurean) were thrown in the garbage bin... If Lucretius haven't wrote a poem we will know nothing about atomist philosophy... Dominants love choose picking what culture is worth saving.

No, these are works written by those people. Julius Caesar wrote a firsthand account of the Gallic Wars, in which he fought, called Commentarii de Bello Gallico. That title is often translated into English as The Gallic Wars, which is the name of the manuscript that this guy gives. I had to look all this up because I didn't know that Caesar had written any major works at all.

Also, the NT mentions Caesar Augustus (e.g. in Luke's nativity story Caesar Augustus, who was Julius Caesar's adopted son, calls for the census). The Caesars mentioned later in the chronology (e.g. "give to Caesar what is Caesar's") are later emperors. Julius Caesar was pre-Jesus.

I think they refer to copies of texts purportedly authored by those individuals. Caesar was a prolific author (often about his own campaigns...)

@@johnmcgimpsey1825 Hope not.. Jesus authored nothing.

@@PhrontDoor Huh? Does anyone claim that he did? The original creator was talking about authors, not subjects. In contrast to Caesar, I’ve never heard that any book in the NT is supposed to have been written by Jesus.

He’s wearing it indoors, like a monster.

Well if a Christian said that... It's a lie😂

Religious believers apologists with degrees - iow - liars.

Think about it, who wants to teach “alternative” explanations of the theory of evolution? Who wants to put 10 commandments in public schools? In short, conservatives reject contemporary knowledge, especially when this knowledge contradicts or calls into doubt the dogmas supported by conservatives. In Biblical studies? Supporting the whacko inerrancy and univocality of the texts…

Dan never said it did!

@@veridicusmaximus6010 His implications are that he somehow is proving Christianity fake and he hasn't come close.

@@jbutero1 No, he is countering the fake claims in the vid.

Sigh. A theory can never become a fact. A theory is based on data. A serious theory evolves over time and may even be declared false. Academic consensus is not there to declare that a hypothesis or theory or interpretations of a theory are true ad saecula saeculorum. Peer review and consensus is a discussion about the robustness, relevance, and methodology of a proposed work. Is it imperfect? Of course! But this is the best way to get rid of fluffy bunnies explanations.

@@karldehaut And replace it with fish to ape to man stories that are utterly ridiculous.

The tagline of Dan's 'Data over Dogma' podcast (and presumably how he sees his mission) is to 'Increase public access to the academic study of the bible and religion and combat misinformation about the same'. Both rather require going after the amateurs, since they have a wildly greater reach than the professionals. How much of the public interacts with professional apologists compared to Tik Tok 'influencers'? He does collaborate with other professional scholars, both in other podcasts/YT channels and in academia, including as organizing and presenting at conferences.

Like who and what point would they make that counters anything he said?

He was correcting that Cliff guy just the other day. For some reason that guy is highly respected among Christians. Good propaganda, I guess.

@@johnmcgimpsey1825 Makes sense.

He has videos which explain this. Dan has specifically chosen to engage with social media because of its reach-a pretty reasonable choice imo. To the extent that “conservative biblical scholars” are on social media, he’ll engage with them.