I was wondering about that, I knew you meant shouldn't but, glad you cleared that up ;o; people are still gonna take that out of context I bet

@@Dapperwaffle07 thanks dapperwaffle07 i thought the same fucking thing

@@rotundly-xi9wx ??? did i say something wrong or am i missing the tone. sorry if i pissed you off

@@Dapperwaffle07 I think, they just curse a lot 😅

You were a child. And you have handled this extremely maturely and genuinely changed. I don’t know what people expect of you, unless they believe you just deserve to rot in prison or die for the way you were manipulated into being when you were 14-18. I don’t take people who have that mindset seriously. I would understand if people don’t trust you, but you have clearly been obsessed with bettering yourself for years, your art’s been about it, and you didn’t omit anything in this video. You haven’t done *anything* as an adult, except maybe included mature themes in your videos, with content warnings, like, that’s it. you don’t deserve to be called a fucking groomer in your 20s because you hornyposted with another minor while you were also a minor. Legally it holds no water and if you’ve changed, morally it should hold no water in the present or future either. You were clearly not an intentionally abusive person using your position of power to take advantage of people, you just thought you were being cool and good by being horny with friends online, and you’ve long since regretted it. You even tried to apologize to everyone who would listen. This would be a reasonable stance for your opponents to take if you had continued to repeat the behavior into your adulthood, well into recent times, but you haven’t, you literally just haven’t, and in fact have cut yourself off from many communities, which was probably a pretty hard thing for you to do. You’ve become a system in trying to deal with all of this for God’s sake. You were a minor who was abused, literally the only difference between you and any other victim is that you have a big youtube channel. That’s it. If people still think it’s worth bringing it up and making legal threats against you and/or calling you a bad person all these years later, then to be consistent they should also believe that any victim of abuse who repeats it at any point during their childhood should also be ashamed and ostracized from society. Frankly that belief is disgusting even if someone does believe it, but clearly no one serious does. This is stupid online drama of people using something you did almost a decade ago while you were a child to try and justify their dislike for you. I have a feeling most people doing that are themselves minors, or super-weirdo adults in questionable online spaces. You responded to this as maturely as I’ve actually ever seen anyone ever respond to something like this. The fact that Pyrocynical got off scot free but you’re still facing backlash for THIS makes me feel kinda sick, ngl. If you’re being honest and you truly have changed, which I believe you have, you’re doing fine, keep it up. If it’s kids calling you a groomer, well, don’t take that seriously because you aren’t a groomer, objectively, and if it’s adults, well, don’t let a bunch of fucking weirdos on the internet tell that you deserve to be in prison because you were horny with another teen while you yourself were a teen being currently groomed by many adults online. It’s insanely fucked up you are being targeted this way, I can’t emphasize that enough. You have grown up, you are trying to move on, you never asked to be a famous animator as a young child, you didn’t know what that could have possibly translated to, obviously those adults should be facing the flak for the whole thing, not you, you are just a victim in this situation, this whole situation is fucked up and those adults who groomed you should have the internet dogpiling on them, not dogpiling on YOU. If you’re a kid reading this comment, whoever you are, a therapist would absolutely take the stance of helping Kittydog. She is so cleary undeniably a victim in all of this, sure, she technically did bad things when she was younger, but that was so clearly not her intent it’s actually unbelievable. She was roped into acting the ways she did by teenage hormones combined with shitty adults telling her to be super sexual who now refuse to take accountability combined with a lot of other stuff working against her, including childhood trauma, and just a need to belong. Kittydog, Crystal, whatever you wanna be called, however it’s spelled, you have matured. I’m autistic, and pretty sheltered, and I subscribed to you in 2018 and I was 19 and when I was pretty damn mentally stupid regarding sexual things, and now after some growing up, I would never feel comfortable subscribing to someone who made stuff like yours at the age you made it at. People are going to make you into a scapegoat because they want to believe there’s one famous person that can get in trouble and it will solve all their problems, but you aren’t the bad guy in this situation, at the very least you haven’t been since you were 19, and even then you were roped into it by even older people who were WAY worse than you, and that’s extremely commendable and speaks to your character given how much you were groomed into NOT moving on like that, into NOT changing. Many adults tried their hardest to turn you into a hypersexual being, but you still saw the writing on the wall and were able to get out, _as a minor._ Don’t let internet people get you down or call you a groomer. Yes, your behavior hurt some people, _while you were a minor._ But you are an adult now, who knows better, and you have changed. You even made an effort to apologize to anyone from the past. Most people like this (Like the groomers who groomed you!!!) just delete their accounts on everything and try to run from their past life, you could have just as easily deleted your youtube account, your discord account, tried to flee from your online life, and start over, but you didn’t do that. You made a video addressing EVERYTHING to your over 600k subs. That is honesty. You’re doing good, okay? You’ve become extremely mature, you’re making the right decisions, just focus on getting that therapist and another support group if you don’t have one already, and move on with your life. Everyone but terminally online weirdos and perhaps some triggered or traumatized people, believe you deserve to. People absolutely have the right to be triggered or traumatized by your past behavior, but not to blame it on you, when you were a minor who didn’t know better, who is trying to change and has been for years, ever since becoming an adult. If they should point their anger anywhere, it should be at your groomers, for corrupting their friend and turning what should’ve been their wholesome friendship into a hellish one; for causing this whole problem in the first place. You just wanted to be a good person, and were convinced being sexual was the way to do that. Godspeed, the human being behind this silly KZfaq channel. I hope you find what you’re looking for in life.

Miss circle pfp spotted 🫵🏿

@@TrashyPeachy_ MISS CIRCLE PFP GANG‼️‼️

I very much am anyway lmao

​@@MadeleineRoco_spookymonth nobody cares about your opinion

@@MadeleineRoco_spookymonth ...

This ^

i absolutely agree with you but i would not consider this drama as this situation is pretty serious

@@toootleyeah a lot of situations like this is just called “drama” because it’s easier to say idk how to explain properly

This and to acknowledge that it’s not anyone’s but the victim’s place to accept their apology

Literally this ^^

THIS!!

WHAT HUHHHHHH???

no cuz I feel like the word “grooming” to describe the “relationship” between a 14 and 12 yr old isn’t the right one

Yeah, I'd say if they were 16, maybe that's be almost grooming, but even that isn't pushing it.

​@@KepchupPacket you can be a groomer towards someone your age or similiar.

Tysm for speaking up about this 🙏🙏🙏

💯 Facts

Also truth 🗣️

grooming can be pressuring, AND it was sexual. COCSA is very valid and a sad experience. there was a giant power difference. kd has also groomed multiple other people. i dont get what you want out of this.

@@delusionaldogz Pressuring can happen *during* grooming, but pressuring itself is not grooming. Also I never said anything about it not being valid, did you miss the part where I said Birdie is allowed to be traumatized? Sure there was a power imbalance, but a power imbalance also doesn't equal grooming on its own. Also Kittydog was 14, she obviously didn't know the influence she had or what kind of responsibility she had as a popular creator. People specifically denounce minors gaining popularity because it could damage their view of themself, make them addicted to attention and because they're children and don't realize how influential they are and how much power they hold. You don't get what I want out of this? I want people to realize that they're being hypocritical. Like I said before, you're allowed to hold them accountable for their bad actions, but you also have to realize that they're not the same people. Not just Birdie, Kittydog too. Both of them. Hold them to the same standards and not different standards because you like one more than the other.

And don't come telling me "Time doesn't erase your actions" YES IT DOES Everyone on earth at the age of 20 is incredibly disconnected from who they were as a minor, SPECIALLY 14. I'm the same age as Kittydog, when I was 14 I was a dumbass emo furry teenager. Everyone grows and matures, so much so that the things that happened when you were a kid are completely meaningless today, because they're so far gone. Every single furry had cringe roleplays and deviancy when they were a young teen, specially in a community so infested with sexual adults influencing children. I'm telling you if we're gonna start cancelling each other for what we did when we were 14 every single furry on earth is cooked and I know you're not a saint so don't pretend you didn't do some shit. You guys need to stop believing your act that you're world class detective and moral police forces and live in the real world for a second, please, this furry generation is asinine.

@@PixieBladeArt eh, time Does NOT erase actions, all you can do is learn from the bad things you did, and try to fix yourself so you won't do it again. Kid or not, actions are not excusable.

@@Thatsillymedicalman It doesn't erase them but it completely erases any influence those actions have on everything. If you're at age 21 you never have anything in your mind when you were 14 weighing you down, it's insane, no, it's unbelievable, almost as if most people here haven't actually lived life and have a completely warped sense of reality due to their online lives taking over them.

@@PixieBladeArt Eh, does the influence leave? Not all cases. Some they stay for longer.

Personally I disagree, time can’t and will never erase your actions. You can’t do something, and the expect it to all go away with time. You have to put in the effort to change, you have to put in the effort to be a better person. Although kittydog did these things a long long time ago, that can still have long lasting effects on others. So she has changed, and she has put in the effort to fix her ways. Time cannot erase what’s already happened, but you can always strive for a better future.

Fr…

Name one time the community hasn't fallen into shambles or taken this stuff seriously.

with a community full of kids nothing is taken seriously lmao

This is a fucking trainwreck sadly. Everyone is talented yet cannot handle certain things without being completely petty or smth

​@@youtubeneedstogitgud3512toxic gossip train

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THAS WHAT IM SAYIN BRAH

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TRUE!!! Man, I’m so tired of people saying “I forgive you! I don’t forgive you!” on a situation isn’t about you because it can get confusing and annoying at the same time. I prefer to stay in a neutral position than being in one side when situations like this happens. Just hope it doesn’t happen again

FR

FR but most of these people are kids and don't really understand 😭 I hope people see this before they comment.

why are people even trying to forgive kittydog when they're not affected 💀 like that's just dumb

for reel... this comment section is fcking wild???? its full of children who shouldnt even be allowed on the internet at their age.

Poor Kittydog ig 😒 yeah no what the fuck is this comment section...

EXACTLY. People on the internet try to cancel kids for their parents failing them. That's just ridiculous

To be fair Jack's parents are abusive

@@NylaTheWolf Jack who

@@guminijn Birdie

frfr i uh had done bad things when i was younger and its awesome she didnt mske excises cuz its really easy to

LITERALLY god the drama is just like how people on twitter will attack 13/14 yr old kids for this kind of shit but made even worse by the fact that its actually getting dramatized 7 fucking years later

it’s different dear god said something slightly racist as a 14/yo? yeah whatever, you’ve grown and matured ABUSED and TRAUMATIZED somebody as a 14/yo , who is STILL TRAUMATIZED and affected by it? abuse leaves a permanent stain.

@@lynxesghost9918 people can and are allowed to change and make up for their past actions. Doing bad things or hurting people doesn’t automatically condemn you to a life of being an abuser or a bad person. I think we need to remind ourselves that KD was 14-15 when all of this happened. People can change a LOT in their adolescence, especially when they were influenced and manipulated by other abusive people around them. Abuse leaves a stain on the consciousness of those who were affected, but that *doesnt* mean healing and recovery isnt possible or granted for *both* sides of an abusive relationship. You have no stakes in their relationship. You do not know either of these people beyond their online presence, and your thoughts and opinions on how they heal and grow from this, and what actions they take to better themselves as people, is completely irrelevant, because at the end of the day they’re still trying to be good people, despite the past-and I think KD publicly acknowledging her mistakes and abusive behaviors and making an effort to heal from them is worth something.

also dont forget that this entire situation isnt really anyone elses (people other than the victims) business concerning how the victims are supposed to feel about this and react!!!!!! youre your own person not someone elses

Real😭

i imagine pet groomers have to say "i'm a pet hairstylist" now lmao

​@@jasperjazzie they do, when i see pet groomere on shorts they say this instead, i don't know if it's because we genuinely made that word only mean one thing nowadays or what

Probably no drama on KZfaq, but on Twitter, by this point, it's 250% inevitable.

@@ElectricoGamezTikTok straight up just dosent care about important details😭

Nah you already know this is gonna become a shitstorm

i hope people have learned since the foxi boxi situation that its not ok to make 'groomer nae nae memes'

@@DoctorKittuThe2nd yep

agreed

grooming (or, well, abuse) RUINS LIVES and birdie personally doesn’t forgive her, so why would you? She did get therapy and got help, but GROOMING (or, well, abuse) isn’t a thing you can “i got therapy and am healing❤” out. you CANT forgive kittydog if birdie, or any of her victims, haven’t. once an abuser, ALWAYS an abuser! it again ruins lives, and it’s obvious how much kittydog hurt birdie and still is somewhat affected. While kittydog was groomed (or, well, abuse) while being abused, it DOESN’T EXCUSE IT. an abuser in cocsa is often a victim, but they’re still the abuser.

@@lynxesghost9918 I farted

@@lynxesghost9918 Pathetic excuse to hate KD, did you watch the video? Cope, Seethe and Grow up. Thanks!

​@@bafflebag730 I should not be laughing

@@capncaramellyou have no idea how sa victims feel about this (edit: I did not know this person suffered from SA, i didn’t fully process their comment, but I thought their other response was childish and they were downplaying the severity of what happened. I don’t think it is at all appropriate to make light of this situation by making jokes about it. A lot of innocent people and animals have been hurt by KD irreparably. As a victim of sexual abuse I can never forgive someone like her.)

EXACTLY!!!! Everyone in the comments section is getting upset at jack when jack literally said don’t go and harass KD. Jack has no control over his audiences actions.

⁠​⁠@@ambroseghost1351 but he *does* have control over his influence on his fans, and what information he divulged to his audience. He can say “dont go harass anyone” as much as he wants, but it’s a fact of the internet, as well as having an extremely parasocial fanbase, that people WILL disregard that, and use Jack’s video as an excuse to demean, insult and bully someone. It’s honestly pretty ignorant of him to make such a long-winded video full of misremembered events and incorrect information accusing a fairly popular creator on the same platform as him with a very similar audience, then turn around and claim anyone harassing KD is “not his responsibility.”

jack shouldn't have made this public then. he can say whatever pretty words he wants but this was absolutely a callout. period.

@dia8183 it was like 10 minutes in a 1 hour and 50 minute video sit down

@@goobert5485 Birdie didn’t intend for KD to be harassed. He made it VERY clear not to go after KD. KD should be held accountable for her actions even if they happened years ago. Although I do think this situation should of been handled in private. I do think that birdie mishandled this situation by making it public. Unfortunately when things get made public the broken telephone effect happens where misinformation is spread like wild fire. I don’t think Jack is completely avoided from all responsibility because the handling of this situation was in poor taste but I do think it’s wrong to go againist someone’s wishes especially if they are the victim in a situation.

Oh, people are gonna do that. I just know it lol

@@Mitzi-chan224yeah- 😭😭 it’s so foxi boxi core we can’t keep doing this man

Oh god please not these ones

I want that song forever erased from my brain 😭

I saw something similar on tik tok already 🙁

Yup

and i wouldn't say it's exactly cause they *care*, but more that it's all they remember you for and they aren't all that invested in you in the first place

probably not the best place to say this but i love your pfp 🫶🫶

@@pillowswifeandgirlfriend ty!!

silver spoon speaking facts tbh

kittydog was silent about her grooming birdie for YEARS. even when she realized she messed up, she NEVER said anything. take this whole video with a grain of salt because she's only addressing it AFTER she got caught, even though she could've addressed it SEVERAL times.

@@CASTLECALAMITY I thought she made a doc about it in Feb before the birdie vid?

Half the ppl don’t know what birdie did to begin with so that’s why. It’s rude on both side bc the ppl calling KD a freak are literally doing to same thing to birdie

@@Misty_kittyyywhat did he do?

@@kerropinii apparently birdie was going to date a 13 yr old at 16 bc they said they where mature enough. And this is in no way to antagonize birdie but people are forgiving them like nothing happened while coming to harass kittydog. They both apologized but I feel like people are just here for drama. I don’t support either creators really, but I hope they get better. (To clarify birdie said they where also manipulated during this time, but acknowledged how the behavior was gross too.)

@@Misty_kittyyy Oh crap.

​@@Misty_kittyyyhey I feel like you didn't pay attention to that part, that part was said as a way to comfort the person and such, and not the way everyone intends it to be taken as. This is the 2nd comment getting that part wrong heavily.

The fact that people made drama videos on these two is horrendous 😭

I don't like that birdie assumed KD meant to hurt him ​@@NylaTheWolf

ik this is off topic but,,, I LOVE UR VIDEOS

@@doggycatta haha thank you!

Ermmm acshewally birdie is 19 and kittydog si 20🤓👆

@@inotpurplegirlgachastudios06 Ermmm ackually, kittydog is 21 🤓👆

Even though I became a fan of kittydog in late 2022, I literally couldn't've summed this comment better!! ^-^

Amazing comment

"How in the world did people watch that video and take “let’s go attack Kittydog!”", Maybe because he called her a groomer? Also if there was no significant age gap then there was no grooming. What power does a 14 year old on the internet even have anyway?? Birdie wanted to ruin this person otherwise they wouldn't have put that segment in the video.

My point still stands, while scrolling through these come I have only seen 3 negative ones out of the 200 something positive ones.

I can already see the snarky ass comments coming in now

I wouldn't be surprised, I can just make a bingo card out of these things at this point

I'm kinda new here (maybe it's good that I only recently found this place, about a month ago), but I won’t ask questions because I think I roughly understand what’s going on (this is something new for me)

What community? There's no animation meme "community", it is more of a cult, animation memes should have just been animation memes with no community

That checks off one part of my bingo card when reading this /hj

That’s really not how trauma works. they need to both seek out their own therapy to better themselves and heal from their own issues. That takes years and years. Everyone heals at their own rate.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@mtfdelta-5the original comment isnt saying they shouldnt get therapy? Trauma is a real thing, and has tangible effects on our minds and bodies, but birdie labeling kd a groomer after several years of no contact and refusing to accept or forgive her multiple apologies is a little different than a trauma response. It seems intentionally unforgiving.

@@goobert5485 respectfully, if I was in that situation, I wouldn’t be particularly forgiving either. I’d understand why it happened. But I wouldn’t forgive them.

@@mtfdelta-5 Trauma is a product of being unable to let go, there's things that are very heavy and reasonably hard to let go, those people can live their whole lives wishing they could have peace. However if you can't get over some cringe ass furry roleplay by teenagers I think that there's an issue within.

@@mtfdelta-5 and that’s completely fair! The difference is they’re both internet micro e-celebs with a pretty dedicated following, and everything upsetting between their relationship is being publicized to thousands of people. The label “groomer” has a lot of social consequence, and I think there’s a difference between someone being uncomfortable with talking to or forgiving someone, and actively calling them out. There’s accountability in making public accusations, you have to keep your facts in order, and keep your story clear and consistent. This is something birdie himself admits he isn’t capable of, with his BPD misremembering situations. I don’t think his come back video was unwarranted, or unnecessary, but there are consequences to posting it and following up with the information he’s given to keeping it accurate and completely transparent. That’s where I think his video is unforgiving, it isn’t providing a clear explanation of what happened between them. I have people in my life I wont forgive, and we haven’t talked in over 10 years. I dont mention them in my work life, on the internet or to strangers. I keep it to myself, my friends, family and my therapist. Thats the difference.

unfortunately these ignorant people wont listen. theyre literally insane. ive already seen people harassig and sh1tt1ng on her everywhere

LMAOOOO ??

WHATTTT

y’know i normally wouldn’t condone types of comments like these on a video like this, but this is genuinely hilarious 😭

LMFAOOOO

THATS WHAT I’M SAYING, people are already going “amazing video, I feel for you” but the video hasn’t even been published long enough for them to watch even HALF.

Did you not watch the video? Both KD and Birdie at a young age were influenced by many NSFW encounters. They were impressionable and because of it, have made bad decisions whilst harming others, but having taken accountability and swore they wouldn’t do it again.

Watch the video, lunatic

Maybe start by not telling your age💀

@@neonwolfIsdumb even lying about your age is bad as well, hell it’s even worse than revealing your age (if you’re a minor) the best thing to do is hide your age and don’t tell anyone online until you reach adulthood 👍

@@SylvineKitsune Ik lmfao just telling them

don’t tell ppl how old you are on the internet, that’s dangerous but good on you for trying to keep yourself safe!!

True

Yeah, same.

You don't know if they watched the video first before commenting

@@doggycatta i mean if they commented only a few minutes after the video was uploaded they didn't watch it considering it's half an hour long

Most of the video is restating information that’s been publicly available for years now

WE WERENT AFFECTED I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE SAY THAT *THEY* "FORGIVE KD"

She doesn't even have a d!ck, and from what i read most of the comments are people acknowledging how long ago it was and acknowledging that she doesn't do that anymore, not comments like "UMG WE FORGIVES YOOOOUUU !!1!1!1"

Nobody else than her victims can forgive her. And many havent.

@@bommed bc the apology JUST came out ?

@@0quamarin3 many of the situations have happened some time ago, the behaviour is continuous to this day Many of her victims have not forgiven her when she apologized privately. We as outsiders cannot forgive anyone because the apology is not meant for US

OH GOD you're so god damn right about this situation ain't being all black and white + an importance of listening to both sides. I feel like a lot of people have a luck of doing so

@@the_nedoumok This situation is very confusing to me mostly why I don’t want to take sides but either way I think both birdie and KD have grown and improved a lot from their pasts. Making mistakes is a part of learning but I do think it was reasonable that KD was held accountable for her actions.

@@ambroseghost1351 it's not really our deal to forgive anyone in this situation but we must support their growth and respect their wishes. That's the best thing we could do

@@the_nedoumok Yep only the victims can give forgiveness.

Visually speaking its built like a school presentation though

more like, victims come first, and then people/fans when its abt forgiveness. the fans of kd have the rights to be disappointed. i was a kd fan since i was 7, i heavily got inspired by them, supported them in evey past drama over the yrs, followed them on anywhere i can could and so did many ppl, just her to be engaged im those actions with other kids privately, which ended up traumatizing em?? and you tell us its not our place as well??

@@alexisalex702Remember, the victim is the only one person who can forgive her, not us, because she didn’t nothing to us

@@rosysquid did u even read the stuff i wrote bro....

@alexisalex702 boohoo! somebody you looked up to did something bad! you are still not NEARLY as affected as the victims and you do not have the right to accept or decline kittydog's apology

@@fudgysundaee yeah you didnt read my comment completely as well... 🤦 whatever

i agree

Facts

not grooming bro

​@sliceofmoka this is grooming, it's CASA (i think is how it's said), kd didn't know the power difference BUT it was still there, Birdie was and is forever effected by her actions along with other people. We cannot decide whether to forgive Kd or not, as it's not our place, it's up to the victims

​​@@Oakleyyzguys.... grooming isn't = any bad relationship dynamic 😭 grooming has a definition that this situation DOES NOT FIT.

​@@come_gatos_ clearly u don't know what grooming is

THIS