God bless you, Noreen, with peace on your journey. I pray the Lord continues to guide you and keep you in his grace. Happily Protestant myself, I also enjoy the stillness and peace of Catholic worship, and often join as an observer. May the Lord indeed heal the wounds in his church. I'm sorry for your struggle in this, and God bless you again today, Noreen. 1 John 3:20

@@StephenJahn thank you so much. May God richly bless you in all you do.

Evangelical preaching is longer and more entertaining because they only do that. They have no real form of worship because they reject the Mass. There are plenty of Catholic Bible studies too. Look into Fr Mike Schmitz Bible in a year. Great study by a dynamic speaker. God bless

Stay Catholic. I left the Catholic Church for the siren song of Protestantism and it was an enlightening but disturbing experience. I came back to the Catholic Church through the grace of God.

Why not try out an Orthodox church?

as a lutheran, i am happy to see somone who also believes in the true presence. God bless

I take the memorial view of communion and I agree that it is a grievous sin to partake unworthily. Paul said, "29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. (have died)" - 1 Cor 11 I believe that communion is a sacred symbol of Christ's sacrifice, similar to how the ark in the old testament symbolized God's presence among his people. While these objects have no power of themselves, to disrespect these symbols is to disrespect the God who put them in place. God killed those who dared to touch His ark, and the same God struck down those who dared to be irreverent at the Lord's supper because it symbolizes the very broken body and spilled blood of the Lord himself.

Question is: how do you know for sure you are forgiven? I don't mean any fear mongering...but how does one know how grievous a sin is really and, especially, if we have true sorrow for it and are fully sincere in seeking forgiveness. I say that, because we can convince ourselves of all kinds of crazy things. In Jn 20:23, Jesus said ONLY TO THE APOSTLES IN CLOSED DOORS "If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.” So there it is: Jesus meant for someone ELSE to discern our sins and guilt, and to have the POWER to forgive those sins. And those MEN were the APOSTLES. That POWER was not given to all believers, but ONLY to them and to those THEY imposed their hands on, transmitting that power. So, you want to have assurance your sins are forgiven? Confess them to a priest whose ordination can trace back to the APOSTLES and to him alone. That's Biblical Certainty.

@@darioveneziano3995 I can be sure because I read the Bible and I believe it means what it says. 1 John 1:9. You should too.

@@darioveneziano3995 Biblical certainty, except if you leave the confessional, have a lustful or wrathful thought, then drop dead of a heart attack. You died without confessing a mortal sin (Jesus said lust = adultery, and hate = murder) and are therefore heading straight to hell. Jesus said in John 10 that those who come to him he will NEVER cast out and once you are in his hand he will NEVER let go of you. The notion that you need to get saved over and over again by having your mortal sins forgiven IS BUNK.

thanks Daniel!

That is so great to hear! Thanks for sharing that. Hope you enjoy this one too!

Exactly. I hope this channel blows up. I recently started watching his videos. 😆

Thanks Erik! Glad it was of use!

Thanks for telling me that, I’m so glad. Hope this one will be helpful too.

That's a fair point, but the Eucharist is outside of time (obviously, if through it we in 2022 can have fellowship with Christ's presence)... therefore, when the Disciples ate and drank the bread and wine in the first century, they were engaged with the very same event that we are incorporated into when we eat and drink: Christ's Life, Death and Resurrection (two of which they hadn't even experienced sequentially, yet). Put another way, when they ate/drank they were experiencing the events of the next few days in advance of them actually occuring.. whereas, when we eat/drink, we are experiencing the same events which for us are two-thousand years in the past. The Temple sacrifices work in a similar way, but hundreds/thousands of years in advance of Christ.

@@vngelicath1580 Or perhaps it was just figurative and our communion with Christ in the receiving of the bread and wine is purely spiritual, which may be what you're saying. That's unclear. See Matthew 20:20-23; 26:39

As we read in Colossians, Christ holds everything together...He is before all things. So as Israel ate the Manna in the wilderness wandering we are to eat Christ. But are we pooping Him out? Of course not. What use is that? We are to abide in Him. We are to consume Him...He wants to be with us and wants us to be in Him. It's a lot deeper than transubstantiation.

So glad it was helpful!

I care about what view Jesus wanted us to hold about the bread and the cup. I just do not think He wanted us to think that the bread and the wine actually became His body and blood. It's putting too much emphasis on the bread and the wine, when the emphasis should be on what it represents, rather than the the elements themselves. Jesus said "Do this in REMEMBRANCE OF ME". He did NOT say "DO this because THIS IS ME". Luke 22:20 "This CUP is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." 'Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me." I think that if He wanted us to view the elements as His actual body and blood, transubstantiation, that it would be a no brainer. He would not ask us to do it to remember Him. I grew up Catholic, too, but it makes no sense that He would be present in the bread any more than He is present in our hearts because He imparted the Holy Spirit to us when we were born again.

​@liljade53 John 6:53-56. Jesus said to them, 'I assure you, unless you eat the flesh of the Human One and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. My flesh is true food and my blood is true drink.

​@liljade53 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” 52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum. Many Disciples Desert Jesus 60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”

​@liljade53 he never said in John 6 even after some of Jesus's followers started to leave because Jesus clearly said, "You must eat my flesh", Jesus didn't say to them don't walk out guys I just mean symbolically.

ha, nice timing!

Thanks so much, glad it is useful for you!

If you want accurate catholic information please see Catholic Productions. The worst place to find catholic information is from someone who isn't a practicing catholic.

@@DavidAzua and popular Catholic apologists. At least in my experience. So many are disingenuous.

@@TruthUnites i am greek orthodox i read only the original language text of the New Testament never translations i would be a satanic liar if i say that the Eucharist is not the reall body and blood of Jesus Christ as i read and understand the original language text of the New Testament

Thanks Kyle!

Thank you! I am glad the videos are of use! I will keep trying to aim for the balance of truth and love, and I am sure I often fall short!

@@TruthUnites Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _________________________ CHRIST alone John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus _________________________ Work of God = John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles _________________________ There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. ____________________________________ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary. _________________________ Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics. _________________________ Also, if the apostles didn't wrote it, I don't want it

glad you found it useful!

Hey Trey. love your sessions with Ruslan and crew. Are you gonna throw in this issue sometime? The last time you tried to throw in matters about "Christian tradition", somebody wasn't feeling it :-D

@@msmutola682 thanks brother! I’m definitely still learning but I want to. Who was it that wasn’t picking it up? I forget 🤣👊🏼

They were in heresy to do that. Especially in 2020. It is the real presence of the Blood and Body of Christ and absolutely should be shared with all that have faith in the Lord. Past heresies are not proof that that a broken rule deems the rule obsolete.

Romanian, Russian and Serbian churches all distributed the Eucharist every week prior to the communist takeovers of those countries. At that time, for a variety of reasons around protecting people from persecution by the state, it was generally withheld, but many in those churches came to view it as the norm.

hope you enjoy!

Thanks! Would be curious to hear about what is leading you to Orthodoxy sometime. It's a shame Protestants don't touch those arguments more, but I agree they don't. God bless.

John6:62 "But Jesus, inwardly aware that his disciples were complaining over it, said to them, Does this try your faith? 63 What will you make of it, if you see the Son of Man ascending to the place where he was before? 64 Only the spirit gives life; the flesh is of no avail; and the words I have been speaking to you are spirit, and life.[9] 65 But there are some, even among you, who do not believe." I think He's saying "the spirit" is the source of faith. This hard saying about Jesus being real food can only be understood with faith. Our flesh (brain) is no help. Even Peter admitted that it made no sense but he knew that Jesus' words were the words of eternal life.

This is something I'm seeking God on. I've been going to Mass and really giving the Catholic teaching of the Eucharist and transubstantiation a fair shake. Really seeking to understand their dogma on it. It's reverential, done in absolute reverence for the body of Jesus, as in a real presence. It still feels incomplete, and I think the focus on the flesh might be the key. Is it wrong? Wrong is the wrong term, it just feels incomplete, as in we all see through a glass darkly. I think @Bazzy has hit on some of that incompleteness, that the focus on the flesh is not enough, that it's the Spirit that gives life. Also, Jesus is the living Word, that brought all things into being, and by him was nothing made that is ever made. The stronger reverence for Jesus as the Word is also a key, which is the stronger protestant emphasis. I'm still struggling w/ that human seeing through a glass darkly, but it feels like God has a deeper revelation that will break through as I seek this diligently.

I get. He is emphatic and literal when He says my "Flesh is real food, my blood is real drink." John 6:55.

Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _________________________ CHRIST alone John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus _________________________ Work of God = John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles _________________________ There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. ____________________________________ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary. _________________________ Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics. _________________________ Also, if the apostles didn't wrote it, I don't want it

@@el-sig2249 you still are not understanding his point

Thanks!

I agree to an extent. I personally hold to “prima scriptura”, recognising the importance of Tradition but recognising that as Scripture is a reflection of Apostolic Doctrine (since the early church did put together the apostolic writings by the Lord’s apostles), it is the ultimate guiding authority for what is acceptable.

glad you enjoyed!

yes, I just watched it recently!

Me too

glad it was helpful!

@@TruthUnites It was, thank you for the time you put into these resources

obrigado

Thanks Mark, great thoughts! I'm totally tracking with you.

@@TruthUnites Thank you Gavin. God bless you richly.

996 You cannot divorce My Church from the Word - the Flesh - because then It cannot Exist Saturday, December 21st, 2013 @ 20:13 My dearly beloved daughter, to those who accuse you, through My Holy Word, of fighting against the Authority of My Church, they must hear My Call. The Church, created by Me, Jesus Christ, was built upon a firm Rock and no matter how much My Church - My Body - is attacked, the gates of Hell will never destroy It. Satan and his agents will only attack what is genuine, what is True and what is of Me. This is where all his energy will be focused on - My Church. I Am Present in My Church, through My Body, the Most Holy Eucharist. My enemies will always target the Most Holy Eucharist, as It is not merely a symbol of My Love, My Promise to redeem the world - It is My Body. It lives and breathes, for It is I, Jesus Christ, Who dwells in It. I will remain Present within the Holy Eucharist until close to the end, but My Church will never die. My Word was made Flesh and through My Flesh, you, God’s children, will remain close to Me. When My enemies attacked My Church in the past, My Church united and fought against Its opponents. But when My Church is attacked, by the spirit of evil from within, It will face very few obstacles from a secular world. Satan does not attack his own work. As the Son of man, I will never desert My Church, for It is impenetrable against the devil. My followers will remain true to My Church up to the last day. However, the number of people who will not understand the attacks, which My Church will come under, from within, will be high. They will, for the most part, be content with the many adaptations to be introduced in the Holy Sacraments and the Laws of God. They will swallow the lie that modern life calls for a modern church; that people today need to be able to make choices, based on their own free will - irrespective as to whether or not they insult God. Then when they insult God and commit blasphemy, when they desecrate the Holy Eucharist, they will no longer be part of My Church. My Church will remain intact. My Church will stay standing, because of those who will remain true to the Word of God - the Word, which became Flesh. For you cannot divorce My Church from the Word - the Flesh - because then It cannot Exist. I promised that I would protect My Church against the gates of Hell and I do this now by preparing My loyal sacred servants to stand by Me and to remain true and steadfast until the Great Day. I never break My Promise. Your Jesus The Book of Truth

I understand what pastor is constantly saying about some protest reformers believed in the True presence but I can tell you that the reality is in the Lutheran church which I attended it mistakenly taught in catechism consubstantiation and like pastor is always saying that regardless of the teaching what is the end result? I can tell you that the Eucharist was treated as an annoyance. As far as belief in the transubstantiation you are correct that belief in that in itself is not necessary as orthodox refuse to explain how the mystery works. I can tell you when I go to apostolic churches: Coptic, Syrian, orthodox, Catholic it is more than clear that the churches fundamentally believe in the true presence and no matter what quotes you give me of this reformer or that it is more than obvious of what the living experience of these churches (Protestant) is. Yes the growing restriction of the species in both kinds was something I think was an unfortunate development. I go further and agree with the orthodox in the communicating of infants.

@YAJUN YUAN I don’t understand what you mean by “much of a muchness” in this context.

Hello! Just said a prayer for you. I don't have time for an in-depth response but I hope my videos might be useful. May the Lord direct you and guide you.

@lynobird9197, I read your comment and I just wanted to encourage you. I am a Protestant now taking RCIA classes. I want you to know that I am where I am bc I have seen in several prot/evangelical churches how this seeker sensitive stuff has REALLY messed things up. You would be shocked at what goes on in prot/ evangelical churches. I imagine you’d be there and in no time, you would be running back the the Catholic faith. Sitting in these churches, pretty much anything goes. In a large congregation you’ve got people believing in all sorts of different doctrine! Do u know that they don’t believe (most) that baptism has anything to do with your sins? Or that baptism saves you? Or washes anyway sin? It’s just an outward sign of an inward belief! (Bc the water isn’t “magical”) and you really don’t even have to be baptized to be in that church. I have seen college age kids baptize each other and “slam dunk “ their friend ,or the pastor weans off and doesn’t even finish saying In the name of the Father, and the Son and the ___.(dunk)and brings the next person in. I’ve witnessed churches only offer the Lords Supper 3 times a year which is ONLY symbolic of remembrance and it may not even get prayed over with thanksgiving!!! It’s getting pretty crazy! I couldn’t take it anymore! Listen, don’t mull these things over in your mind alone - that’s how one becomes depressed. Instead, get a notebook and or at least speak it out loud each day what you are thankful for! Thanking God for at least several things a day … for seeing someone else care for someone, seeing a beautiful sunset, anything! Gratitude breaks the bonds of stress and anxiety. Talk with your priest or a trusted faithful Catholic. God wants you to have joy. Now, it is more difficult having this joy bc of what we all have been thru lately and the evil in the world at an all time high, but Jesus said when you see these things taking place…. Look up!! For your redemption draws nigh! Trust Him! ❤️He knows your heart and your struggles. If you believe in the apostolic authority, you will be very disappointed in a non Catholic Church - I would think. But, blessings to you in your search. Get some good rest, sunshine and serve others and pray- that usually takes care of rest!😀🙏🏻

@@elizabethking5523 It seems to me you didn't watch the video as Gavin directly addresses the things you say. I could give you examples of Catholic teachings and practices here where I'm from that would appall you. But it's not the practices of certain people that matter but whether those are in line with official doctrine.

​@@elizabethking5523 Yes, there are some protestant churches that are even more messed up than Catholicism. But keep in mind that Catholicism is just one of hundreds of denominations of Christianity, each with their own set of beliefs and doctrines. The only difference is Catholicism is bigger because it has a longer history of collecting money and building power over the centuries. I was Catholic for 30 years before finding true freedom in Christ. Through reading the holy scriptures. There are so many passages in scripture that completely contradict what Catholicism teaches. That's why I can't possibly be Catholic anymore. Please help me understand the following differences between Catholic teaching and what the Bible says:, 1. Why do you continue to pray to Mary when Jesus himself rebuked those who tried to call her blessed? And why did Mary call Jesus her savior if she's sinless? What was Jesus saving her from? (Note: the doctrine of Mary was not even made until 1950. Did your church have it wrong before then?) Why does you religion teach that Mary is a mediator between God and man, when the Bible says in 1 Timothy 2:5: "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus" 2. What did Jesus mean when he commanded us to never call anyone else "father" in Mat 23:9? Why do you disobey this as a Catholic and call priests father, when Jesus said you have one father? 3. What does your church tolerate having over 50% of men in catholic seminaries homosexual when the Bible clearly teaches that it's an abomination? Why have tens of thousands of children been abused by the so-called holy leaders of your church? Why do previous popes and bishops constantly reassign known sex offenders so they can continue to abuse children? Why does your church continue to take so much money from parishioners and use it to pay off the families of abuse victims? These things happen in other churches but they happen in the Catholic church to a much much higher degree, because of forced celibacy and the perversions it creates. 4. Tell me, what does Paul mean below when he says that any doctrine that forces men not to marry is a doctrine from demons? 1 Timothy 4:1-3 "Now the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will depart from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, [3] They forbid marriage and demand abstinence" 5. Explain why in your church history, the Catholic hierarchy did everything they could to prevent the masses from Reading scripture. They killed people by burning them at the stake who tried to translate scripture so that the masses could read them. Why? 6. Why did the Catholic Church work so hard to gain political power, and burn people alive who question the absolute authority of the Pope? Isn't it obvious that the only reason the Catholic church is so big and so powerful today is because of its ruthlessness and hunger for money and power in the past. 7. How can you call Peter the first pope and single church leader, when there is nothing in scriptures that even remotely reveals him to be the leader of the church. In fact the few times decisions were made they were made as a group council of the apostles, and Jesus's brother James seem to have more authority. And for the first few hundred years all of the bishops work together to solidify doctrine. It wasn't until the bishop of Rome demanded absolute power and started punishing those other bishops who fought him. And many other bishops did fight the bishop of Rome when he tried to seize absolute power. 8. Why do you baptize infants when not a single infant was ever baptized in scripture by the apostles? Do you really believe that magic happens and the baby is saved even though they have no choice in the matter? That's how all the baptisms in the Bible took place, from an adult that made a decision to follow christ. 9. What did your own Saint Augustine mean when he said that scriptures cannot be wrong, but the church can be wrong, so scripture is far superior to doctrine taught by Church elders?: Augustine: "But who can fail to be aware that the sacred canon of Scripture, both of the Old and New Testament, stands so absolutely in a superior position to all later letters of the bishops, that about it we can hold no manner of doubt or disputation whether what is confessedly contained in it is right and true; but that all the letters of bishops which have been written, or are being written, since the closing of the canon, are liable to be refuted; and further, that even the church Councils are often corrected by those which follow them (On Baptism 2.3.4)" 10. Please tell me why Martin Luther was wrong for protesting that your Catholic Church was greedily taking money from the poor to buy indulgences for their relatives so that they would spend less time in purgatory. 11. How can your church continue to force celibacy on men, when the man you claim to be your own founder, Peter, was clearly married. When Jesus healed his mother-in-law in Luke 4:38, and when Paul said the following in 1Cor 9:5: "Don’t we have the right to be accompanied by a believing wife like the other apostles, the Lord’s brothers, and Peter? " 12. Why does your church teach that anyone who says that you are saved by grace alone and not by works is to be cursed. It is the exact opposite of what Paul says several times. Go look up your own church teachings and you'll see it actually teaches this. And of course since your church can never be wrong, nothing that was ever taught in the past can be corrected. 13. Why does your church teaching in canon III below teach that the mass is actually a resacrifice of Christ and that the mass itself causes salvation, and that anyone who says the mass is not a real sacrifice is cursed?: "Canon iii. If any one shall say, that the sacrifice of the mass is only a sacrifice of praise and of thanksgiving; or, that it is a bare commemoration of the sacrifice offered on the cross, but not a propitiatory sacrifice;[16]... let him be anathema.". This is exactly opposite to what Paul teaches, that Jesus died once and for all and was the final sacrifice. 14. Why do Catholics say that protestants theology was invented in 1600 and before that everything was Catholic. This is false. Here are the Names of pre reformation protestant groups: the Waldensians, Bohemian reformation/Jan huss, Arnold of Brescia, the Tondrakians, Peter of Bruys, Henry of Lausanne, the Dulcinians, Giralamo savanorola, the spiritual Franciscans.. There would have been a lot more vocal protestants speaking and writing thru early history if Rome hadn't keep burning them alive. For example, in 1100AD, the pre-reformation Waldensians wrote they're articles of confession: We believe and firmly maintain all that is contained in the twelve articles of the symbol, commonly called the apostles’ creed, and we regard as heretical whatever is inconsistent with the said twelve articles. 7. That Christ is our life, and truth, and peace, and righteousness - our shepherd and advocate, our sacrifice and priest, who died for the salvation of all who should believe, and rose again for their justification. 8. And we also firmly believe, that there is no other mediator, or advocate with God the Father, but Jesus Christ. And as to the Virgin Mary, she was holy, humble, and full of grace; and this we also believe concerning all other saints 9. We also believe, that, after this life, there are but two places - one for those that are saved, the other for the damned, which [two] we call paradise and hell, wholly denying that imaginary purgatory of Antichrist, invented in opposition to the truth. 10. Moreover, we have ever regarded all the inventions of men [in the affairs of religion] as an unspeakable abomination before God; such as the festival days and vigils of saints, and what is called holy-water, the abstaining from flesh on certain days, and such like things, but above all, the masses 12 We consider the Sacraments as signs of holy things, or as the visible emblems of invisible blessings 13. We acknowledge no sacraments [as of divine appointment] but baptism and the Lord’s supper

LynoBird, How is it going with your search? If you would like I can communicate in depth on the issues that make rc impossible and therefore their claims on your conscience to be ameliorated. I know it can be hard these issues, they can be very disorienting, but the Lord has the best possible plans for them who suffer lost for His name. Message me back if you would like to get the information which I would hope in the future you would speak to other catholics in love about rome’s false authority over the consciences saints. God rest

glad it was helpful!

hope you enjoy!

There are three perspectives of Eucharist in the Evangelical Church, which came out of the pandemic: 1. Communion is both communal and personal, so you could take communion in the form of bread and fruit of the vine (wine or unfermented grape juice) at home as a faithful memorial, 2. Like no. 1 but gives leeway in form, like use of any liquid, instead of fruit of the vine, 3. Communion is a communal ordinance that involves the physical church with a physical institution. Surprisingly, the latter is common in the lowest of the Low Church type of Evangelical congregations for some reason.

Great comment Aaron, and I totally agree. Zwinglian views are often treated unfairly. Also, Zwingli's view itself is somewhat nuanced. Thanks.

@@TruthUnites Thanks Gavin. I think it would be helpful to have a modern Protestant discussion on this issue, perhaps focusing less on historical categories...just so we could see how modern practice reflects belief, etc...I think Chan is talking about the "once a month" "do it if you want to" kind of method, which I've definitely been a part of as well. But, I also see a lot of new practice, like weekly participation, and guided prayer during the Supper, which I think is mostly positive.

I went to a neighbor's Church of Christ and a woman prayed over the body. She was part of the band. She used none of the words of Christ, then when a man prayed over the blood, at least he said, "this is the cup of the new covenant...". The communion was supposed to be picked up by people ahead of time as you entered. It was in a plastic sandwich baggie. I once asked my Baptist pastor about communion being healing and he said, "It's just a cracker." I'll just leave it there.

Yup. Though today the vast majority of Protestants don't believe in true presence...

RCC was wrong about filioque, and it led to a number of massive downstream errors. In the filioque is the rejection that God has activities that are proper to himself and not creations. The assertion that God's grace is created and not proper to himself is the root of almost all RCC doctrinal errors.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rceghat-l7fRqYk.html He did this one a few days ago

@@changjsc Thank you

Thanks! It's great to find points of agreement now and again! :)

As a Lutheran, I receive communion weekly, but that is not the case at all Lutheran churches.

In my Anglican Church we have communion just about every week as well.

could be a great follow-up, will think on it....

It seems to me that talking about the omnipresence of God is something slightly different than the real presence of Jesus. Omnipresence refers to God not being bound by space (but the interesting paradox was how he entered into space through incarnation and “bound” himself to it). Perhaps in the same way Jesus was really present on earth, so too is Jesus really present under the species of bread and wine. This is what we mean by “body, blood, soul, and divinity.”

so glad it's been helpful! Thanks for letting me know.

Well, I hope you give the Catholics a chance as well. God Bless.

talk about nonsense - i was catholic 35 yrs, it's not at all Biblical Christianity. let me know if you need proof.

@@tony1685 I would like to hear it.

@@MrTheKing537 thanks Robert! will be brief and pray you grasp and ask me about anything which catches your eye (ear). Bible is clear, this is all about worship - and His Ten Commandments are how we show our Creator worship. well - the Bible shows that there will be a kingdom (counterfeit 'church' attached) which will set up false worship and instill false rules. let us take a quick journey through a few Bible basics: in Heaven - Lucifer told God that he will be like Him and be worshiped (Isaiah 14 / Ezek 28). the first death was Cain, he killed Abel - Abel worshiped as God said, Cain did it his way - he was jealous and murdered his brother. in Esther - Mordecai would not bow to Haman (2nd Command) - a law was made contrary God's law - Haman was destroyed, Mordecai wasn't! in Dan 3 - 3 hebrew boys would not bow to false worship - a law was made contrary God's law - they were spared by God! in Dan 6 - Daniel would not pray to the king (1st Command) - a law was made contrary God's law - Daniel was spared, the bad were destroyed! well - in our day - Revelation 13 - a false 'church' sitting on a political government makes a law contrary God's law. the United States has already passed _'blue laws'_ thorough the Supreme Court. the papacy has told this world that their day of worship, the sun worship (from Mythra) day is their day and they even *ADMIT* to this change! Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol 4, page 153 - _'Sabbath to Sunday'_ in their own words: _'our ecclesiastical _*_mark_*_ of authority {over the Bible} is the change from Sabbath to Sunday'_ and yet - the 7th day Sabbath will be kept by all who desire Heaven (Rev 22:14, John 14:15) and even kept in Heaven to come (Isaiah 66:22-23)! let me know if you have questions Robert - as i did for over 35 yrs of being catholic. but now i love to teach Truth! GBY and yours, Sir 😜

good call! I need to read him more on this.

Daniel, " He carried His own BODY in His hands and gave it to them. We do not sin in Adoring it." ( Augustine, Explaining the Psalms, bread of Angels).. "The consecrated food BECOMES the Flesh of the INCARNATE Jesus. ", ( Justin Martyr, first Apology). Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

interesting perspective! I definitely do need to keep getting to know Eastern traditions better.

@@TruthUnites Now there's a truth! It's worth remembering the first major schism began with the west/east churches. I think in order to discuss any of this most helpfully you need an in depth understanding of the differing theology and mindset that developed in the east vs the west. It seems pretty obvious to me that the rc church has changed so much dogma as to be unrecognisable from its origins these days. It's been a progressive slide away since a few centuries before the great schism and the chickens have truly come home to roost with vatican ii.

It has changed drastically since, and is still unresolved within Protestantism

Good presentation still makes zero sense. Constantly picking and choosing what the fathers said and then giving a Protestant overview which still has no authority anywhere. Most reformed churches take the Eucharist once a quarter now.

He also said loads of initial positive things about the Jews too...Which he later rejected. I put my only faith in Jesus Christ.

Hey Daniel, good to hear from you! Two small thoughts: (1) it is logically possible (though not always confessionally possible) to be a Baptist and affirm real presence. I do. (2) The Zwinglian view actually has some nuances that make it something more than a mere human activity; i.e., lots of memorialists believe that God is granting grace in a special way through the Supper, even if not sacramentally present. Does this help at all? May God guide you and bless you.

@@TruthUnites That did help! I look forward to seeing more of your videos!

@@danielreyes6980 hey man.often Zwingli’s final view and thoughts are left out of the conversation. He ends up with a view similar to Anglican and Calvinist. So this may be a step in remaining faithful to Zwingli’s view but in its fullness. This helped me and my local church a lot Near the end of his life Zwingli summarized his understanding of the Eucharist in a confession sent to King Francis I, saying:[19] "We believe that Christ is truly present in the Lord’s Supper; yea, we believe that there is no communion without the presence of Christ. This is the proof: 'Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them' (Matt. 18:20). How much more is he present where the whole congregation is assembled to his honor! But that his body is literally eaten is far from the truth and the nature of faith. It is contrary to the truth, because he himself says: 'I am no more in the world' (John 17:11), and 'The flesh profiteth nothing' (John 6:63), that is to eat, as the Jews then believed and the Papists still believe. It is contrary to the nature of faith (I mean the holy and true faith), because faith embraces love, fear of God, and reverence, which abhor such carnal and gross eating, as much as any one would shrink from eating his beloved son.… We believe that the true body of Christ is eaten in the communion in a sacramental and spiritual manner by the religious, believing, and pious heart (as also St. Chrysostom taught). And this is in brief the substance of what we maintain in this controversy, and what not we, but the truth itself teaches."

Daniel, I hope you are doing well. Prayers for you on your journey! "He carried His own BODY in His hands and gave it to them. We do not sin in Adoring it", ( Augustine, Explaining the Psalms, bread of Angels). " The consecrated food BECOMES the Flesh of the incarnate Jesus ", ( Justin Martyr, first Apology). Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

@@TruthUnites Thanks for making this video. I have always thought that "this is My Body... this is My Blood" was more than memorial. But my home church's the view is memorial. Recently I have been reflecting on whether this mismatch is a problem.

Remove "interpretations" from your mind. That which is not from Scripture is not real theology. Begin with what Scripture clearly teaches: Matthew 26:28 Jesus calls it the blood of the covenant. Hebrews 9:20 The author quotes Moses saying the exact same words about real blood. There is no precedent here for saying "is" means "represents." 1 Corinthians 10:16 The bread and the cup are a koinonia (co-union/intimacy/participation/contribution/distribution) of the body and blood of Christ. 1 Cor 11:20 There is an objectively true Lord's Supper. Unreconciled schism within the congregation make it objectively not the Lord's Supper. 1 Cor 10:21-22 The Lord, whose name is Jealous, is jealous of his cup and his table. 1 Cor 11:23 The Lord specifically and personally revealed the Supper to Paul. 1 Cor 11:27 Misuse of the Lord's Supper is not just a bad reenactment. It makes you guilty of sin against the very body and blood of the Lord. 1 Cor 11:28-30 Mere reenactments do not require earnest soul searching on pain of punishment and death. Therefore true Christian faith in these words: "This is my body which is for you, … This is my blood of the new covenant," must take all into account.

@@Mygoalwogel so in other words you’re saying i am not saved because i am not taking the lords supper correctly?! 😔

@@sophiabergner7191 No. I'm not an authority to say anything. Read the Scriptures that speak of the Lord's Supper. If you believe what God says in his word you are already saved. The Philippian jailer was saved by believing in the Lord Jesus. He then joyfully also believed what Peter said about Baptism and of course joyfully received Baptism. In the same way, drop your anxiety. Cast your anxiety on Him because he cares for you. Take up the Scriptures. Read. Believe. Then, believing and knowing you are saved, go and take action. If reading and believing leads you to leave your Church and find another, God bless you. If reading and believing leads you to stay and tell others, God bless you. You are saved. You obviously already believe and want the fullness of Truth.

no, there is not one view. most today tend toward a Zwinglian view.

The zwinglian view is a fringe view. We’re not memorialists.

@@duckymomo7935 “Fringe”, as in you have stastical evidence showing few Christians agree with Zwingli’s symbolism compared to any kind of real presence? I would like to see that.

1.5-1.8 billion Christians (RC and Orthodox and some Anglicans - of which I’m one) believe in real presence or transubstantiation. Not a small number.

@Progger_Frogger Probably 90% of conservative Protestantism is low-church Evangelicalism and almost all of these believers are memorialists (Baptists, Pentecostals, and whatnot). The problem is that these masses are only tangentially Protestant. Those who are actually true to their lineage-to the magisterial Reformation-are almost all in the Real Presence camp: Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc. So, it’s not so much true about “Protestants” in general. But among those who are the most in line with the original movement, it is quite true. In other words, a “Protestant’s Protestant” believes in the Real Presence.

@@IAmisMaster a majority of Roman Catholics believe fake presence is the view of Roman Catholicism.

This. This this this. It’s completly beside the point to respond to criticisms of US Protestantism with “but Luther said…”. You have to think we’re having this debate in the 16th century to focus so exclusively on that.

I think it's time to raise this debate once again

I can totally relate to this. I grew up southern Baptist and thus had the standard Zwinglian view which is so prevalent among the dominant strands of contemporary evangelicalism. However when started revisiting passages like John 6 and 1Corinthians 10 and 11 in light of reading the early church fathers on the subject, I became convinced that the ‘real presence’ in the Eucharist was correct. Naturally I started investigating the RCC and EOC (especially the latter) before finally landing in traditional Anglicanism about 15 years ago.

Out of all the reformers, Zwingli is surely the worst imo

100% agree.

I'm not SBC so I cannot speak to that officially, but I suspect most are memorialist.

none whatsoever

“It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.” ‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ bible.com/bible/114/jhn.6.63.NKJV

@@xv1c10usx Thank you for the verse, however this needs to be clarified: 1. How does that passage prove that Jesus is only spiritually present in the bread and wine? 2. Jesus was always talking about eating His flesh and drinking His BLOOD. Suddenly he mentiones only "the flesh", so if you think this passage somehow is explaining or extending upon the previous ones, why is he also not refering to his blood? Moreover, he is simply saying "the flesh", but he is not refering to it as "my flesh". Isn´t it more plausible that this verse is not refering to the previous verses, when he is talking about "His flesh" and "His blood", but rather this verse might mean something else, since he says "the words I speak are spirit". I don´t see how is this compatible with the previous verses. I would rather say that he says that he is speaking the truth, which is spirit and life, and so he is confirmin that everything he said before, i.e. "eat my flesh, drink my blood" ... everything is true. He said this, because some of the disciples did not believe him.

It's spiritual. But that still doesn't cross over the threshold of transformation to actual body & blood.