Restoring a Prototype iPod Touch 2nd Generation

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Restoring a Prototype iPod Touch 2nd Generation

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10 ай бұрын

In this video, I go over the process I went though to get a rare prototype iPod Touch 2nd generation development board fully functioning and booting iOS. Although I hoped to be able to get it up and running with its original SOC, the SOCs these come with have a different bootloader that cannot boot any production version of iOS. As such, I ended up having to replace the SOC with one from a production iPod Touch 2G model. I have, however, recently managed to locate one of these boards that still has its original NAND and software, so I will most likely revisit this in the future and attempt to get one working with its original SOC.
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@thomashammond5666 10 ай бұрын

P at the beginning of the model means the device was personalized for the user when shipped, such as an engraving on the back.

@JanusCycle 7 ай бұрын

I admire your BGA skills. Unfortunately I still suck at this sort of work. Well done on reviving this intriguing hardware.

@rockpie.squashfs 2 ай бұрын

holy crap it's janus cycle

@iLife64 10 ай бұрын

The reason there’s no flash chip is because the connector on the back was for a separate storage board with the chip on it so they can quickly remove it and modify the files for further testing

@LandonRaces 10 ай бұрын

That seems stupid

@medfadhelgriguiche5226 10 ай бұрын

Thats total opposite just the solution is always solder desolder to change whats in the storage board they couldnt do it with bridges or a better solution probably the resistance also its 2006 or 7…

@ok1lad159 10 ай бұрын

@@LandonRaces Why does it seem stupid? It's practical for the developers.

@LandonRaces 10 ай бұрын

@@ok1lad159 bc having it swap it out every time and etc

@lunakittyyy 10 ай бұрын

@@LandonRaces that's the point, no?

@rehufgoerhwfr 10 ай бұрын

During my time at Apple, I had the opportunity to work at the iPod Engineering Team. Looking back, it's amazing to revisit those memories great video!

@Death_bot666 10 ай бұрын

What exactly did you do? Can I have any details? Why did you leave and what are you doing at the moment? P.S. A strange audience gathered here. Such a person looked in the comment, I thought there were already a hundred questions/answers, and there is no one before me!

@justicetubes 10 ай бұрын

@reduxThe1 10 ай бұрын

Dosdude1: ...You can see immediately why it's not fully working. Me: Ah yes, the board looks burnt at the vga like port. Dosdude1: The NAND's missing Me: Ah...of course...the NAND...I knew that.

@MrPnew1 10 ай бұрын

Me: Yeah Collin, I knew that

@oOWaschBaerOo 10 ай бұрын

literally the same here LUL i was like omg someoine messed hard with the board and then he goes like Nand and i was like yes ofc i knew that ehem

@alnicospeaker 10 ай бұрын

looks like it's been re-soldered..not pretty but functional =)

@zUltraXO 10 ай бұрын

That's just solidified flux on a db9 port

@rockpie.squashfs 2 ай бұрын

yeah that's totally d-sub

@natvis 10 ай бұрын

such a revolutionary device, even the bandwith of the USB is on par with the newest iPhone 15 or 14 Pro for that matter 😅

@aidsmaster69420 10 ай бұрын

How

@celestinemachuca2339 10 ай бұрын

@@aidsmaster69420apple being apple.

@jasonls221 10 ай бұрын

@@aidsmaster69420 Only the iPhone 15 pro and max has usb 3, 15 and under has usb 2.0. Old and slow

@KngKurd 2 ай бұрын

I still couldn’t believe when I found out they were still using usb 2 speeds till my 14 pro. How can this be a pro device and take 3 business days to restore 120gb backup…. Then 15 came out and made it even worse by making it only on pro models….😂😂😂

@COASTER1921 2 ай бұрын

I'm amazed they removed the ICs rather than just drilling through the board or using other more destructive methods

@MrPnew1 10 ай бұрын

Fantastic devotion to preserving this piece of Apple development history Collin.

@apersimmon 10 ай бұрын

Its not really preserving as he is modifying the board, but its very cool and interesting none the less.

@GoldenAdhesive 10 ай бұрын

@@apersimmon the board was already modified to make it unusable intentionally

@apersimmon 10 ай бұрын

@@GoldenAdhesive removing boot medium and clearing software dose not count, changing core parts of hardware that dictates how the device operates dose.

@HyperVectra 10 ай бұрын

Thanks Dosdude1 for everything you do for the community free of charge. You are the best!

@Trinitrophenylmethylnitramines 10 ай бұрын

7:18 the qfn footprint is for the accelerometer

@dosdude1 10 ай бұрын

Yep, I figured that out later.

@eDoc2020 10 ай бұрын

This is only tangentially related but have you looked at the classic iPod models as well? The older models had 32 megs of RAM but starting with the 5th generation the high capacity versions had 64 megs which enables a larger song database. I'm curious what upgrades would be possible. I figure a 5th or 5.5 Gen 32 meg can be upgraded to 64 megs but that's boring. Can older models like the Mini be upgraded as well? I'm also curious about if 128 megs is possible. Even if the hardware would work there's of course also the issue of firmware.

@jozsefizsak 10 ай бұрын

That's very interesting for sure. Looking forward to the next installment of the dev board saga!

@codplayer808fly 10 ай бұрын

This was a very very cool video. I'd personally rather see it functional then dead and stock.

@FlyByWire1 10 ай бұрын

I just discovered this channel and I absolutely love it! Never stop giving us these amazing videos man!

@LarsDonner 10 күн бұрын

I finally asked myself what the 30-pin-connector is doing with all those pins if the USB on the other side only has 4. Turns out that it's an amazingly simple design compared to today's USB-C, where the connector is just USB, Firewire, Audio and Video in parallel and the cable connects the pins that are relevant for the other side, ignoring the rest.

@Insertdisks_101 3 ай бұрын

I'm probably the only one who went here because of Apple Demo

@AutisTECH96 3 ай бұрын

You're not alone, brother, same here!

@NoiseyGameYT 3 ай бұрын

Same

@mabbasi_of 3 ай бұрын

rare, even though many youtube channels have many of these boards

@rebootretro 10 ай бұрын

Your skills are always super impressive!

@SarahKchannel 10 ай бұрын

Super cool, I shows that Apple also mostly cooks with water like the rest of us. I never sort of thought of the how an Apple product begins its journey. The BGA RAM on top of SOC is something I have never seen, but is most likely a result of space and speed/signal routing ?

@309electronics5 10 ай бұрын

Its more common then you think. Its used in a lot of phones these days and regular socs to its called pop(package on package) design

@SarahKchannel 10 ай бұрын

@@309electronics5 well it makes perfect sense, now that I know and think about it. But as in the video shown, never think about taking it apart :)> I think the modern form, is multiple dyes on a chip, just that has to happen on packaging, while PoP would allow for some customizing.

@Techlevel1534. 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for your Mac OS Catalina patcher. My 2008 MacBook Pro runs Catalina without problems

@tschuuuls486 10 ай бұрын

I doub't apple would've removed the nand from the board. The dev setup probably booted the devboard from the usb port directly.

@dosdude1 10 ай бұрын

No, these definitely had NANDs... When looking close, you can see that the NANDs were desoldered from these. I also recently was able to get my hands on one that does indeed still have its original NAND (with software) installed.

@jabbawok944 10 ай бұрын

If you look closely, you can see some of the old legs from the NAND were they sore it off.

@MrPnew1 10 ай бұрын

@@jabbawok944 sore??? Really 🤣 Show me where the man touched you little iPod

@markdjdeenix6846 10 ай бұрын

now thats cool .so is the vga out showing the boot loader ?

@jadamsnz 10 ай бұрын

Have a look at 9:25 - I'm pretty sure that's a 9 "pin" serial socket. VGA sockets had three rows of pin holes, not the two rows you see here.

@markdjdeenix6846 10 ай бұрын

@@jadamsnz so we’re was the command text coming from on the pc monitor?

@dosdude1 10 ай бұрын

@@markdjdeenix6846 It's a serial port (RS232). I have a terminal program open on that computer displaying the serial output.

@baconfister 10 ай бұрын

Awesome video. I love your ambition to find a solution and never give up!

@MrDinakdakan 8 ай бұрын

what a crazy hobby but i like it

@aqw0031 10 ай бұрын

What model of ipod touch did you use? To repair it? I have also a dev board but my ipod touch had a diffent NAND so cant put it on the board. Awesome video!

@dosdude1 10 ай бұрын

You need an “MB” model iPod Touch 2G to use as a donor, “MC” model has a different BootROM in the SOC, and uses different NAND (2 BGA NAND ICs instead of a single TSOP NAND). The “MB” model can be identified by the case by having a larger storage size marking than the “MC” model.

@aqw0031 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for the information! Can you also tell me what power cable do you use for the device?

@dosdude1 10 ай бұрын

@@aqw0031 It's just a 5V power supply with a standard barrel jack.

@aqw0031 10 ай бұрын

Ok awesome thank you!

@aqw0031 3 ай бұрын

@@dosdude1 Do you have a copy of the nand?

@123JAILBREAKME 10 ай бұрын

I would like to see people reverse iOS and make it open source. I think it would be fun to tinker with it

@jadamsnz 10 ай бұрын

Lawsuit from Apple guaranteed.

@Gocunt 10 ай бұрын

maybe an older version, good luck trying on a modern version without a loooooooooooooot of work 😂

@123JAILBREAKME 10 ай бұрын

@@jadamsnz if it was done from scratch or done in a clean room type of way

@antocmartinaemz 10 ай бұрын

Theres already a version of ios running on an old nokia n900 if i'm not mistaken Theres also darlinghq allowing you to run some macos/ios code, and some very basic interface on linux and bsd last time i checked

@exklimexklim 10 ай бұрын

This video needs to trend asap

@elektrokinesis4150 10 ай бұрын

Snow Leopard looks so nice on a Vaio

@remcool1258 10 ай бұрын

I wonder if you could use the dev soc if you set the resistors correctly ?

@Doyle69 10 ай бұрын

Been waiting for this 😎

@_macrophage 10 ай бұрын

Dope. So dope. Awesome video. Sub'd and liked. Definitely gonna be waiting for the next one.

@utforskaren3031 10 ай бұрын

How cool that you managed to make it work 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

@ML-dk7bf Ай бұрын

"For such a rare board I was surprised to get it for so cheap." The person selling the device, "Oh lord I have all this apple development junk that I've got to get rid of."

@onigvd77 10 ай бұрын

very cool, could muck around with the board putting it in a 3d printed case and other stuff like that :)

@edgarestrada9519 10 ай бұрын

Amazing work as always! This channel needs to explode tbh.

@ClaneALane 10 ай бұрын

Awesome stuff dude!

@MrQuazar 10 ай бұрын

not bad, nice work, reballing not easy when you do that some times, you must practise day by day 30 chip per day) so many old things was trashed, it all can be restored, i know it and believe. 20 year reparing work stage. may be send all my storage scrap to you?

@urumqix 10 ай бұрын

Hi Dosdude1, any plan to refresh the MacOS installer hack? Really love your work back in the days enable my Mac mini 2011 to run HighSierra on a RAID0 !!! Thank you and looking forward to see your update on the soft which enable Sonoma as well. Now I’m using OpenCore and Sonoma can only be installed into non-RAID disk.

@alexis0a 10 ай бұрын

This is simple awesome! I'm intrigued about how do you make the connection for control it form the Mac... how do you know what address is the correct one?

@rrg019000 3 ай бұрын

Incredible content. Subscribed.

@senorstrong 10 ай бұрын

hey colin, do you think it'd be possible to turn an ipad mini screen + touch into a usb device (like an external display)?

@memediatek 10 ай бұрын

You'd probably want the video to be done over HDMI or similar, video on standard USB is a mess

@dosdude1 10 ай бұрын

I know some custom boards exist to utilize certain iPad screens over DisplayPort.

@meticulouselectronics 2 ай бұрын

Maybe take the prototype soc and put it on a production ipod touch

@bogdanpospiech 10 ай бұрын

Interesting experience👍🏻

@sketchyhuman3523 10 ай бұрын

Is there a guide somewhere about how I can setup VNC, I just think it would be useful for a system I am working on.

@sokoloft3 9 ай бұрын

I have a couple ipod touches and an original iphone that would be good donors if you want to try getting that soc to work with the original iphone nand. Don't know if any of them power on or not. Would assume the nand is fine though.

@uiopuiop3472 2 ай бұрын

how is jailbreaking trivial for old devices? doesn't all of them need paid apple account to work?

@AntiBillOS 10 ай бұрын

Well done!!!

@mrmerhtin3625 10 ай бұрын

awesome work

@dh2032 10 ай бұрын

I'm wondering how much of one this find is, there can not be that many out in the wild, or even still with apple? maybe not apple 1, but serenely some shelf space next to one?

@FormusService 10 ай бұрын

Please tell us about your impressions of Hakko Omnivise

@rickhalverson2252 2 ай бұрын

Shouldn't that be in some computer museum somewhere?

@CrazyMan_Engineer 10 ай бұрын

What would have happened if you had installed the side jumpers before changing the soc chip and spi? Also was the original ram any good?

@NeverGiveUpYo 10 ай бұрын

That's pretty neat.

@GarnetSunset 10 ай бұрын

If possible could you provide the steps you used to jailbreak the device? This is so cool!

@bongoms 10 ай бұрын

man it's a 15 year old ipod you've been able to google that for the last 15 years

@Nauj1017 10 ай бұрын

@@bongomsLol

@tyronenelson9124 10 ай бұрын

You've just ended up with the apple pi version of the raspberry pi!

@stdavid_ 3 ай бұрын

Wow very very interesting!

@techspin2130 10 ай бұрын

Awesome content

@andrasszabo7386 10 ай бұрын

What type of Macbook are you using, Collin? 😂😂😂

@aqua95 10 ай бұрын

Hey dosdude, really like your videos. I’ve recently thought of an idea. Because you are so awesome at stuff like that, how about you actually fully mod the system firmware on a macbook pro (just like how you added a custom chime, maybe it’s possible to change the boot menu icons, maybe boot screen color as well). For example making a 2017 macbook pro’s system firmware look like a pre-retina style one.

@mdasilvac 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for the detailed video, amazing work! Found one of those myself too, I'd love to see where you go with an original nand, and I'll perhaps try my luck at getting mine running with the original SoC too. In your opinion, what would have been the purpose of this header on the bottom of the board?

@leetaylor1443 3 ай бұрын

if you are the same dosdude1 that made the various macos patches for unsupported systems THANK YOU

@SoraSnake 10 ай бұрын

amazing

@mikepxg6406 10 ай бұрын

Wow.

@rizrz34 3 ай бұрын

isnt any prototype board from Apple red?

@MaxMacZone 10 ай бұрын

Wicked

@deanergie. 3 ай бұрын

And it was my first ever phone I had

@Nucksfan987 10 ай бұрын

nice

@jeremiefaucher-goulet3365 10 ай бұрын

0:57 Doubtful. Nobody would go through the effort to desoldering a NAND for data security reasons when they could just destroy the entire board. Not worth the hassle.

@Wii1235 10 ай бұрын

Very cool. I wish i wouldve gotten it lol

@dosdude1 10 ай бұрын

There are actually quite a few still available.

@Wii1235 10 ай бұрын

@@dosdude1can you provide a link?

@Gogoseit 3 ай бұрын

25:11 looks a little like a dip switch

@2048Megabytes. 7 ай бұрын

I was not expecting to see a Sony vaio running macOS…

@TechProYoutube 10 ай бұрын

I looked at this board on eBay a few days ago i swear

@hulkhogan2273 10 ай бұрын

Can you try to change the video memory from a 21,5 inch iMac from 2013 to like 4 or 8 gigs of video memory?

@nothingtoseeherelolkek 10 ай бұрын

You're definetely mage

@andrasszabo7386 10 ай бұрын

What if I install a larger NAND on an iPod board? Will it work??

@sas408 3 ай бұрын

yes, but you also need to flash metadata to it

@joshsowers 10 ай бұрын

Did you try kicking it out of DFU to see if it had proto software?

@dosdude1 10 ай бұрын

It had no NAND, so no software of any kind. Though as I mentioned at the end of the video, I did manage to get another one still WITH original NAND, so that one will have some software.

@joshsowers 10 ай бұрын

Amazing! I hope you share it with us. Great video!! @@dosdude1

@ChasePhilport 10 ай бұрын

dig that ur still runnin snow leopard. last good version of apple computers

@deanergie. 3 ай бұрын

I have a iPod touch that is working has a sim

@spookynutsack 10 ай бұрын

holy pod

@AbdAlgani1999 10 ай бұрын

man can i ask you qus not related to this video? like i think no one know this i have chinnse h81 motherboard which dont have support of 4690k because its refresh cpu and no bios update avalable anywhere and not in the website i treid a lot making costom bios, by adding cpuids to it and flash it to motherboard after 22 try, by all ideas and ides from internet by diffrent probrams i couldnt make it work what i should do to make it work?

@dosdude1 10 ай бұрын

Make a custom build of CoreBoot for it, easiest thing to do. I did that to get Ivy Bridge CPUs working on a 2011 MacBook Pro.

@AbdAlgani1999 10 ай бұрын

@@dosdude1 intersting i will try

@xenocide2121 2 ай бұрын

nice hackintosh

@ivanjuarez1412 10 ай бұрын

WOW!

@mewity 10 ай бұрын

why the flip does it look like an arduino

@IvanPauletti 10 ай бұрын

Suggestion for future video: ipod classic mod to work either AA or AAA batteries. Reason: ipod modes are popular these days and ipod classics are a pain to open meaning that even if you restore one, in some years you’ll need to do over again to fix swelled batteries

@andresbravo2003 10 ай бұрын

This should be interesting…

@ccbb6125 10 ай бұрын

new boy

@conorswee 10 ай бұрын

Oddly enough, PC typically means it has engraving. Weird!

@dosdude1 10 ай бұрын

That data is stored on the NOR EEPROM, which I took from the production device, as well as the NAND and SOC of course. So I wouldn't be surprised if that donor production iPod was engraved.

@apersimmon 10 ай бұрын

Now here me out, ripping the contents of the in house chip that its on the broad that you are going to replace.

@5KREOSAN 10 ай бұрын

ты можешь сделать Nokia 6300 или Nokia 6230 или Nokia 2700 или Nokia 6233

@sandesan2 10 ай бұрын

Nice video, but don't forget about RAM upgrade for M1 Mac Mini 😉

@User2379A 8 ай бұрын

40:43

@samlbert3380 10 ай бұрын

Hello I am trying to recover files from my old iPod touch gen 4 on iOS 6.1.6. I did a factory reset on it some years ago but I didn't use it since then. I was trying to Mount it as mass storage to run a deep scan on it but I'm not successful. Do you have a solution to copy the nand bit by bit ? I tried : jailbreaking, libidevicemobile I'm not quite knowledgeable on this topic, I found your channel trying to find a solution :)

@allennicholson4248 10 ай бұрын

I recovered photos from a customers iphone 3G years ago that had been factory reset. Heres how I did it. Jailbreak the device. Install openssh from the cydia store Set the device to not sleep or turn the screen off Have a second mac with SSH enabled. I used dd if=/dev/internalnand and piped the output over ssh to a disk image on the remote device. I then used data recovery software on the image to extract the data. Note: I was recovering from IOS 4 which did not encrypt the root partition. I do not know if this was still the case with 6.1.6 Good luck!!

@isasametturkmen 10 ай бұрын

Based

@techmouse. 10 ай бұрын

So you're doing this just to piss off apple at this point, right?

@natalialikenutella88 10 ай бұрын

No.. they do it for fun? It's something fun to do when boredd

@techmouse. 10 ай бұрын

@@natalialikenutella88 Pissing off apple is also something you can do for fun when you're bored.

@aspopulvera9130 2 ай бұрын

apple devices like ipods and iphones used to be my dream devices until several third party repair channels on youtube talks about apple's "eco friendly logic" which is destroying the rights to repair, i no longer liked them