I like the Terratec version of the Doom and PoP better. Very meaty sound. Great restoration! Thanks.
@michaelkreitzer13693 жыл бұрын
That AD synth sounds bloody great to my ears! Maybe I forgot to wear my nostalgia headphones, but it's a clear improvement to the OPL3. :)
@Redled_Original3 жыл бұрын
Low-Pass Filter on the Chip.
@joshhiner7292 жыл бұрын
Same. It sounds much improved 👍
@MrJonathanj19813 жыл бұрын
Seeing old hardware being restored is better then most ASMR videos on KZfaq =) Keep up the amazing work, I really enjoy watching, and learning from you!
@Shmbler3 жыл бұрын
Repair neglated and worthless old hardware just for the challenge and satisfaction when seeing it running again? I'm totally sold for this kind of content. Great work!
@tarron32372 жыл бұрын
It's not worthless! 😄
@Shmbler2 жыл бұрын
@@tarron3237 Of course, which is why I also spend way too much time on repairing this kind of stuff ;--)
@mimnunvav1mimnunvav1952 жыл бұрын
Great work, Super to hear and see a product which was seen as a crap is functioning again very effectively as brand new. Keep up the good work.
@CPUGalaxy3 жыл бұрын
The best retro-repairing channel on youtube!! thanks for this great video. cheers, Peter
@PJBonoVox3 жыл бұрын
Nice work dude. The legit Yamaha sounds more nostalgic, but I really like the sound of the audio on this card. It sounds a little more 'present'.
@ToTheGAMES3 жыл бұрын
I actually quite like how it sounds :D
@catriona_drummond3 жыл бұрын
Awesome job! Transplanting the whole amplification circuit was something else. I do like the sound of the card actually, it's different, sometimes better sometimes worse but we should definitely not just preserve the mainstream stuff. And the extra "guitar" distortion in Doom was excellent actually.
@Inject0r3 жыл бұрын
I think I’m not speaking for only myself when I say: WE WANT MORE! WE WANT MORE! *keeps on cheering*
@thereallantesh2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love watching your repair videos. Salvaging the parts from the destroyed PCB, and then adding the amplifier circuitry as well to the restored card was really fascinating. It is so satisfying to see something turn from scrap to an almost new looking fully functional piece. Your repair skills are incredible.
@TomStorey962 жыл бұрын
After watching the channel of someone who salvages scrap metal for a living, I'm now on a mission to buy up as many gold plated components as I can for my own personal projects. I'm doing a lot of stuff with Motorola 68k family CPUs, so I've got myself some gold/ceramic 68020s and 68882s. And since I built a VGA card just recently, I picked up a tube of INMOS G171 RAMDACs in gold/ceramic as well. Saved from destruction and put back to use. A bit less gold going to the scrappers. :-)
@atheatos3 жыл бұрын
I have never seen that much rust before. Great restorations!
@necro_ware3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. I was not sure, if I'd be able to get it running in the end and was really surprised, as it got initialized :D
@dolphhandcreme3 жыл бұрын
@@necro_ware had a voodoo 2 with a halfway torn off TMU chip yesterday, desoldered the chip, straightened all ~160 pins and resoldered it. Guess what: To my surprise, it was working again! Those old hardware-bits are as hard to destroy as a terminator! Except harddisks ...
@necro_ware3 жыл бұрын
@@dolphhandcreme Don't know, if you saw my Voodoo repair video already, may be you like it too :)
@dolphhandcreme3 жыл бұрын
@@necro_ware yes, totally forgot this was from you. Great work 👍 I'm always happy to see people do such kind of low level repairs and safe old hardware from the dumpster!
@poorlydrawnstickman16603 жыл бұрын
I love how the AD card sounds... more than OPL3!!
@TheSnaiku3 жыл бұрын
strangely enough the Ad18max10J sounds better in DOOM for my ears. Its like 80's heavy metal vs nowadays nu-metal ;)
@archibaldschlick13 жыл бұрын
Thank you and good job as always. Love the fact that you repaired it just for the challenge. I was surprised how good (but different) it was sounding in the end.
@recordeer82822 жыл бұрын
Ah. Another piece of computer history well preserved! Your work is much appreciated, mate!
@BadManiac3 жыл бұрын
Great job, glad you managed to save one of them! I'll never understand the scrappers getting 1 cent of gold out of a 20 dollar (or sometimes 200 dollar) retro card... I actually like the FM synth, it's different, but good different unlike some really bad ones. Sorta kinda want one of these now... But from now on, when testing FM synth devices... MONKEY ISLAND! ;)
@senilyDeluxe3 жыл бұрын
Even worse, a couple of years ago an Arcade went out of business and some idiots broke in and smashed *everything*. The Simpsons Arcade machine would've brought a couple thousamd Euros, smashed for a few cents worth of copper and the fun of destroying stuff. And there were over 100 machines in there.
@tarron32372 жыл бұрын
@@senilyDeluxe wow, stuff like that really makes me mad. I know you shouldn't wish for bad things to happen to someone.. but sometimes it's hard not to.
@EgonOlsen713 жыл бұрын
Actually, I prefer the FM sound of the AD-chip over the OPL3's.
@PavelUrusov3 жыл бұрын
Very impressive restoration! Your channel is excellent and deserves more subscribers.
@Nevakonaza.2 жыл бұрын
This was great, really enjoyed watching the card get restored but also modified to make it better!
@edmil1616 Жыл бұрын
Very good intro design, it was a good idea and it's funny. The music you use in the background is pretty cool too. You did a great job restoring the sound card. Congratulations.
@dintyshideaway95053 жыл бұрын
That's cool, because I remember Doom as it sounded on the Analog Devices card. Even after all this time, I can tell the difference. I had a Media Vision ProAudio Spectrum 32 sound card.
@ncot_tech3 жыл бұрын
It's always surprising how much abuse hardware can take and still be repairable. Trying to cut the connectors off for the tiny amount of gold plating on them is really stupid though, I didn't know people did that. Also I know exactly what you mean about making videos about repairing things taking more time than the repair itself! It's really hard cutting down hours of soldering and fiddling about into something people will spend more than five minutes watching.
@darthtripedacus13 жыл бұрын
Love this type of work. I used to go trash picking to build and upgrade my PC
@veneficus22 жыл бұрын
Well done !!! Always good to repair/refurbish things ❤️
@ratos742 жыл бұрын
Thank you. This kind of video are my favorites! I've got a big pile of mb's and cards too!
@chrisducati26 Жыл бұрын
Excellent work Very demanding operation!
@MrVipeg3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this video. It turned out really great: commendable intention to save the card, good work and really nice music. Very satisfying. Great job. But it is a bit unfortunate you can't share all the repairs with us. It is understandable that cutting and releasing videos is time consuming. But I (we) will very appreciate if you could ,say, film more repair videos and then group them in one cutting/editing batch to save some time. It could be like repair-a-thon video. But thanks anyway.
@eg18853 жыл бұрын
To my ear the repaired card actually sounds closer to what I had in those days which I think was an ESS Audiodrive
@omfgbunder20083 жыл бұрын
I was going to say the same thing, its not the worst SB clone I've heard 🤣
@johnrickard85122 жыл бұрын
Those audiodrive chipsets are surprisingly good too
@GamePlayShare2 жыл бұрын
Its nice to see old hardware being preserved.
@OtaconEmmerich2 жыл бұрын
I like the hardware sound...the noise is real gritty.
@BlackAdder4Ever2 жыл бұрын
The FM sound of TT1816-S is clearly different from OPL, but it still sounds nice. I've heard much worse implementations of FM sound, especially on cheap PCI sound cards from later era...
@NiPPonD3nZ03 жыл бұрын
More... More... Moooooore :-) I do repair some stuff in this way too... I should start a channel too... Maybe in portuguese, there is not much content in Portuguese :-)
@yosuhara3 жыл бұрын
Really nice job repairing it! Those cards don't deserve such horrible fate 😔
@craigkarsten67193 жыл бұрын
Great job! I actually don't mind the sound of it. A bit brighter in Doom.
@GrrDraxin12 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the best way to experience a sound comparison between two separate cards would be to mix the two stereo outputs of each of the cards individually into mono, then mixing them together, synchronized together and hard panned to stereo for the video. Say, the reference card's mono output on the left, and the comparison card on the right, for a split screen, split audio showdown. Not one KZfaq retro tech channel I've seen have done so yet. Great for those of us with two working ears.
@necro_ware2 жыл бұрын
As I said in the video, comparing those cards was not the main point. I just found it interesting to mention, that there is a definite difference between Yamaha OPL3 and AD implementation.
@GrrDraxin12 жыл бұрын
@@necro_ware That's fine. Just thought I'd throw out the idea, since that would have been a neat way to hear the difference. But it was a good video for your purposes.
@No_soup_for_you2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Loved the montage music.
@ms-dosman77223 жыл бұрын
Great job restoring this card!
@krizator Жыл бұрын
This card sounds good, good job.
@garagegaming6252 жыл бұрын
"once a Wizard, that cloud revive any piece of garbage, existed on a far far land, he was awakened, again"
@mima852 жыл бұрын
Awesome job.
@xolox2k2 жыл бұрын
That AD chip sound great to me :)
@rs-qq3os3 жыл бұрын
Great job, as usually :) and I waiting for more.
@SobieRobie2 жыл бұрын
I'm happy to give you another thumb up!
@aleksandrbmelnikov Жыл бұрын
I remember doing a small gold finger mod for IRQ bank changing of a PCI sound card. Stupid Asus motherboard allocated same IRQ to every slot (bad mapping table in BIOS). After this, i could select any one of the four (A, B, C, or D). Oh, the fun times of custom IRQ mapping.
@user-ux3xb5jd5j3 жыл бұрын
AMAZING REPAIR!!!! 👏👏👏👏😁
@LetsPlayKeldeo3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos repairing stuff ^-^ ! Cant wait to see more
@Kunigun2 жыл бұрын
Love your content.
@petertorda54873 жыл бұрын
Well, FM + General Midi = Catastrophe. :-D However there are some soundtracks written exclusively for FM, and these sounds great, like Goblin 3. Anyway I like you chanel, it is something interesting about it, to bring back to life, these old HW. Keep doing good job.
@agevenisse32522 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. I have the newer Terratec Base-1, with the AD1816AJS chip. I'm not sure if it has the same FM implementation, but it's the weak point of the card. It sounds off and kind of distorted in some games (regardless of volume). PCM playback (SB Pro compatible) is good though. The Base-1 has a wavetable connector as well.
@homelessEh2 жыл бұрын
i remember having an aztec combo card sound blaster 16 fax/dialup modem on the old pentium mmx back in the day
@BreakingBrick3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing, was very inspiring!
@Roxor128 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, it sounds pretty good for FM guitars, especially Doom E1M1. Different from Yamaha's implementation, sure, but still pretty good. I wouldn't mind a playback program with the option to switch what FM chip it's emulating and let you hear what a given FM piece of music sounded like on different old cards.
@Megatog6153 жыл бұрын
weird seeing a card sit halfway in the 16-bit part of the ISA port
@cosmefulanito59333 жыл бұрын
It just sounds different. I don't hear it worse or better. Let's keep in mind that the Yamaha chip wasn't anything to write home about either ... NICE REPAIR.
@necro_ware3 жыл бұрын
Well, it's just that Yamaha was the original and all the others were reimplementations. So I guess it's natural, that people compare all the other versions to Yamaha. And if it sounds good or bad is a matter of taste. At least I like how AD sounds and I didn't expect it before the repair.
@CallumRepairs4 ай бұрын
Awesome job bringing this worthless old sound card back to life. Repairs like these are my favourite; where stuff that isn't worth fixing is fixed anyway. Why not? As you say.
@dabombinablemi6188 Жыл бұрын
Yeah...I have to agree with the sentiment that this soundcard's midi implementation sounds better than OPL3. To me it is better than my 440BX-2's YMF740C and ESFM on my AudioDrive and Solo-1/1e.
@gbestwick2 жыл бұрын
I know I'm super late to the party with my comment, but... When you have very rusty boards that you're trying to save, you can remove the rust very quickly with HydroChloric acid. (And then an immediate rinse with Lye (Caustic soda, or Sodium Hydroxide). It will immediately remove any ferrous rust. However, you need to be a tad careful, as a strong acid can also damage speakers and other things. As well, Lye will react with aluminum. HCl + NaOH = NaCl + H2O. So, if you've done your ratios right you end up with salty water. Now, after your Acid/Base wash, be sure to wash it thoroughly with plain water and then dry out the PCB. This method can get rid of fairly substantial rust.
@necro_ware2 жыл бұрын
Yes, thank you very much. I made a video about a similar topic some time ago. It was about neutralization of electrolyte with acid. However you have to take pretty strong acid to work again iron oxide (rust) and it can be dangerous for the copper traces on the PCB, since they are very glad to react first. I'd be very careful with that. If you are interested to take a look at that older video, here it is kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qbyopK9z1ZzQYZc.html
@Match4512 жыл бұрын
I always find it amazing when someone takes something and restores it better than original, and you transplanting the amplification circuit from the donor card just thrills me! It makes me wonder what the unpopulated chip to the left of the crystal oscillator is?
@necro_ware2 жыл бұрын
I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's for the EEPROM, which can hold the settings over a reset and probably even to initialize the card without the need for a driver. At least this is how it works on many Aztech sound cards.
@raelik7772 жыл бұрын
I definitely prefer the AD synth to the OPL3. Personally, of all the PC Yamaha synth chips, the OPNA on the PC-9801-86 sound board for the NEC PC-98 series (also found built-in to the PC-9821 A-Mate and C-Mate machines) is the only one I really like.
@gordon8657 Жыл бұрын
I can hear the difference and see why the Yamaha is preferable, the sound definition and clarity is much better on the Yamaha chip.
@alexg91552 жыл бұрын
I actually like it more than the original OPL3, it's less harsh. It sounds nice :) Never quite understood all the fuss about OPL3, maybe it was just the most widespread? Didn't catch those times by just a few years, but I'm now interested in retro stuff and I'm wondering why everyone likes OPL3 so much. Other stuff just sounds better to me.
@AbdAlgani19993 жыл бұрын
thank you
@AtiradorFurtivo72 жыл бұрын
"Master. Master. Master of puppets are pulling the strings"
@necro_ware2 жыл бұрын
"Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams"
@anomaly953 жыл бұрын
Bravo on the save. :) It's strange that Analog Devices never made a big splash in PC sound. They very much know their DAC's and ADC's, and they've been doing it for a very long time. It wasn't very common, but AD also made some AC97 sound chipsets back in the P3/P4 days for motherboard integrated sound. Typically, you would see VIA AC97. Although, back in those days if you cared about your sound, you wouldn't be using the onboard sound anyways.
@necro_ware3 жыл бұрын
It was not only about the quality of the on-board sound. Also the performance suffered quite a lot, if you used an onboard sound chip. I made a video some time ago about AMD based Win XP gaming machine, take a look at that. In the end I compare the on-board sound chip to SB Live! and the performance difference is quite a lot.
@matthewday75652 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking the cut one just needed some glue and 5 bodge wires, probably easier than moving all those parts
@fft2020 Жыл бұрын
More videos please!
@gazehound2 жыл бұрын
I actually love the sound of the AD. It feels like it matches the tone of DOOM better than the OPL3, it's punchier and less subdued. Maybe a bit worse in Duke Nukem.
@pcretropcworkshop80312 жыл бұрын
wow good job
@RZ2963 жыл бұрын
Nice restoration. Old hardware had charisma, modern boards not so attractive to the eye.
@sirisakmaneesornrat25632 жыл бұрын
Good Job Great
@aruan7sp Жыл бұрын
I actually like this card rendition of E1M1 better than the original OPL3.
@jeffm27873 жыл бұрын
Well done.
@therealjammit Жыл бұрын
I wonder if having a bucket of "Evap-o-rust" to dunk boards in overnight might be a good idea.
@waelsadek812 жыл бұрын
I was interested to see the difference between with and without the add amplifier actually.
@kitchenbriks36852 жыл бұрын
It sounds better than the Yamaha!
@Paar862 жыл бұрын
Phil reviewed a similar card, Terratec Base-1, but that card had AD1816AJS chip. That card produced single DMA click in Prince of Persia. The card in this video has AD18max10JS and there're no clicks. Maybe it's been fixed in this revision?
@Taverius2 жыл бұрын
Ngl, I prefer the Analogue Devices synth too. 👌
@rajdme Жыл бұрын
Would love to try this myself since I also have a Terratec TT1816-S V1.0 sound card without amplifier. Do you maybe have a component list, what parts need to be added where to make the magic happen? :)
@xaropemacgyver Жыл бұрын
@86smoke3 жыл бұрын
Would you please record and release also other repairs - even if it is unedited video.
@necro_ware3 жыл бұрын
I repair a lot of stuff just for fun and without a camera. It's always a hustle to work on something with a camera in your face. Sometimes, I just want to relax and do some repairs without having to think about light and camera position ;) But there will be definitely more restorations and repair videos in the future .... glad you liked it.
@86smoke3 жыл бұрын
@@necro_ware yeah, totally understandable. I also do repairs for relax because my daily job has nothing to do with technology not to mention retro pcs. Besides, I did not consider this card bad even back in a day. Maybe because i had (well, my parents did) quite decent speakers attached, but I remember most of people having crappy unamplified speakers
@ayan.debnath2 жыл бұрын
I wish to repair my 1st IBM PC-XT computer motherboard and components.
@Dxceor24863 жыл бұрын
I do like when OPL implementations sound different but not worse. A good candidate for that is the S3 sound card (yes S3 made a sound card, and it's not that bad). For the sound however I do hear the noise :p (is it the way you record old cards that creates noise ?)
@necro_ware3 жыл бұрын
I meant noise on the databus, as it was very usual on the ISA bus. But also the slight noise you can hear in the recording came unfortunately through the leveling in the video cutting software. The recordings were made with different cards and to make them sound more or less equally loud, I had to balance the sound. Unfortunately it introduced some slight distortion. It is totally not noticeable when you hear the card directly, even with good headphones.
@altbeetle19983 жыл бұрын
«Saving Private Ryan» good job 👍
@stephanemignot1002 жыл бұрын
I like the Terratec better, anyway, nothing can beat the MT32.
@ivankintober75612 жыл бұрын
its not terrible...just sound different...Analog devices don't use yamaha chips or use any of its instruments...they made their owned version FM synth that mostly on every sound card with today motherboards now days ...its just much more advance sounding than 8bit yamaha 262...now this how ealry 90's begin its MIDI WARS...WHO DOES SOUND BETTER ??? wish this have continue on after cd/mp3 era format songs....cause i believe midi would had advance further like edirol did with its roland hyper canvas with interesting instruments...LEAST N64 keep the dream alive as last advance midi high poly 32bit synthesizer, they would about to do 64bit synth for next up coming console
@JVHShack3 жыл бұрын
I really like resurrections of dead hardware. Glad to see this was a success. This video also gives me some confidence in the ADI based card that I bought. Two questions though: 1) Would that card work in an 8-bit ISA slot at all (in an XT class PC)? 2) Could we get more videos like this one?
@necro_ware3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. 1) Is a good question, may be it is even possible with some limitations. I guess, I have to try... 2) I always make the sort of videos, which I like myself. Since I like such restorations, probably I'll do more in the future. But it will be more a mixed bag. Some restorations, some repairs, some introduction of my own hardware. So, stay tuned ;)
@Jim_Bo3 жыл бұрын
from what I can tell, dma0 won't be available and some high IRQ's. that's it.
@necro_ware3 жыл бұрын
@@Jim_Bo I'm not sure, if the card will initialize without 16-bit expansion. It makes some P'n'P stuff to get it up and running, so I don't know. I'll make a test and report.
@computerguy0963 жыл бұрын
Nice repair! Out of curiosity, did you try out the other Terratec card, with the cut 16-bit ISA (maybe it works in 8-bit mode) ?
@senilyDeluxe3 жыл бұрын
I would've soldered wires to the half-cut slot board and save both sound cards. I just have to be careful to select the machine to put it in, because once it's in, it's gotta stay in. Forever. (otherwise the board will break off and finishes destroying the damaged card) (I actually have some of these cards, some with amp, some without, some with 1816 chips, some with 18max10)
@necro_ware3 жыл бұрын
Then I'd have two cards in bad condition. I prefer to have one, which looks pretty and is reliable. But as I said, those cards are not valued by the retro enthusiasts, so you can get it for 1€ each in a stack :D I just made it for fun, not because I needed this card. And though I have it now in my collection...
@senilyDeluxe3 жыл бұрын
@@necro_ware that's the right spirit. I also fix stuff for fun, but I don't care if it looks like crap, as long as it works.
@Turco94918 күн бұрын
6:00 What typically causes a pad to get ripped off? Lack of preheating the board, age of the board, existing corrosion or something else?
@necro_ware14 күн бұрын
Yes :)
@DataWaveTaGo2 жыл бұрын
At 2:45 - Come on! I repair damage like that cut edge connector all the time!!! And I'm sometimes working on 8 bit systems from 1978. :)
@necro_ware2 жыл бұрын
For some rare card I would as well, but in this case I could make one nice card out of two out of trash.
@paveljelinek7722 жыл бұрын
9:42 not bad FM, i'd take that, really
@smtkr2 жыл бұрын
The AD18max10J sounds better to my ears
@XtremeKremaTor3 жыл бұрын
This Donor one should work or would be easily repairable. No traces or one or 2 were cut. Better than mess with the rust bucket. But them Where's the challenge....
@necro_ware3 жыл бұрын
Exactly ;)
@Redled_Original3 жыл бұрын
I have the same card whitout the LM386 Amplifiers.
@necro_ware3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's super common. You can buy it in kilograms per € :)
@cpopte2 жыл бұрын
Subscribed ! I like the content. But please for God's sake...use FLUX on those smd resistors/capacitors. That solder blob is horrific. Great job ! More flux !
@necro_ware2 жыл бұрын
Oh, if you love flux, you should watch following video. I used so much flux there, that every flux fetishist will scream in ecstasy ;) Have fun! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qb2Uo8Vm0t3DqoU.html
@nicwilson893 жыл бұрын
If there's any hardware in the pile that you don't manage to rescue but could be repairable(like, y'know, not totally destroyed or missing most of the ICs), would you mind posting whatever it is in that category over to me if I pay the postage and any other costs (I'm in the UK). Well, whatever it is that is actually interesting, though. I reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally enjoy getting to dig into cool electronics, especially retro. I repair things anyway in the sense of a paid for service, I just also really enjoy doing it to something cool in my spare time(or trying, it's the trying that is fun!). I'd even post it back to you if you actually want it and you're not just getting rid of something you don't want :) Probably sounds a bit suspect when a random dude asks if he can pay for posting what might appear as useless crap when you don't even know the person...can provide you with whatever you want if desired haha
@devikwolf2 жыл бұрын
E1M1 on this card still sounds better than an AWE32. The AWE32 is a great card but it farts its way through E1M1.
@outbackchillin56282 жыл бұрын
I actually like the AD18 better then the Yam !
@guido69x2 жыл бұрын
I would love to get a way to use my old sound blaster audigy on win10 :/