Retro Cars | British Leyland Allegro | Volkswagen Passat | Drive in | 1973

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3 жыл бұрын

'Drive in' Correspondent Tony Bastable take takes the latest offering from British Leyland - The Allegro and The Volkswagen Passat.
First shown: 24/09/1973
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@simonprodhan5050
@simonprodhan5050 3 жыл бұрын
marvellous, drive was a fantastic show and tony bastable was a great presenter
@md7999
@md7999 9 ай бұрын
Tony is the main man! He puts Clarkson & Co to shame. Straightforward, no bs or stupid antics, car reviews. Sadly TB has passed on and we are left with Flintoff & Co.
@eitanros
@eitanros Жыл бұрын
Great TV broadcast. Outdoor TV broadcasts were quite unusual in 1973, 99% were shot with poor quality film. The colors are quite vivid in this video and there ia a real "live" feel to it. Impressive for a 50 year old footage!
@JJVernig
@JJVernig 5 ай бұрын
I am still very curieus how much more resolution there is on the Quad-tape. This seems to be captured on a simple capture-USB right of the monitor output of the VTR. I think a real 50 frame interlaced capture on 576i is probably a step up.
@pit_stop77
@pit_stop77 3 жыл бұрын
Dear old Tony, a class journalist of his time. 👍👍👍
@jerrytugable
@jerrytugable 3 жыл бұрын
'The steering wheel works quite well..until you start going round a corner..' 😛
@kamrankhan-lj1ng
@kamrankhan-lj1ng 3 жыл бұрын
*tight corner.
@MorristheMinor
@MorristheMinor 3 жыл бұрын
@@kamrankhan-lj1ng Actually, the Ford Corsair had a similar shaped steering wheel back in the 1960s.
@paulyflyer8154
@paulyflyer8154 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect for the American market
@MorristheMinor
@MorristheMinor 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulyflyer8154 Sorry about the confusion, but I was thinking about the UK Ford Corsair, which was basically a Mk1 Cortina with a more upmarket body on it.
@kamrankhan-lj1ng
@kamrankhan-lj1ng 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulyflyer8154 perfect because there are no bends on American highways???
@kamrankhan-lj1ng
@kamrankhan-lj1ng 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome back, dearest Bastable, after, what seemed, almost a year!
@ianmax69
@ianmax69 3 жыл бұрын
Still as Pissed Off as Ever !!
@oris247
@oris247 3 жыл бұрын
I join you!
@JackBandicootsBunker
@JackBandicootsBunker 3 жыл бұрын
@@ianmax69 I’d say he sounded bitter, bemused the whole time.
@kevthedynamo
@kevthedynamo 4 ай бұрын
I can't believe that the Volkswagen Passat had a computer diagnostic port back in 1973!
@Schlipperschlopper
@Schlipperschlopper 2 ай бұрын
yes Germans were ahead of their time!
@stuartliddle7228
@stuartliddle7228 3 жыл бұрын
"both cars are remarkably similar, they both have engines and 4 wheels"
@brentaudi9354
@brentaudi9354 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha!
@wernerbloemwagen6878
@wernerbloemwagen6878 3 жыл бұрын
Yes - whát a load of BS! The Passat looks at least 10 years more advanced than the BL product, from design to layout and size. Actually the Allegro should have been compared to the ¹st Gen. POLO. The Passat is in the Princess and Marina size class.
@dragospahontu
@dragospahontu 3 жыл бұрын
@@wernerbloemwagen6878 you can see the money invested in Passat
@islaws4589
@islaws4589 3 жыл бұрын
@@dragospahontu And you can imagine the comedic management meetings that went into the Allegro!
@theyrealltaken3
@theyrealltaken3 2 жыл бұрын
Both have bi-directional steering!
@GB-nf5st
@GB-nf5st 3 жыл бұрын
Prophetic words about the future 'front wheel drive, front-engined mini-car...' we came to know as the Golf. The Allegro's replacement, the Maestro, would end up using the Golf's gearbox because BL lacked the means to develop one.
@richaddulieu1967
@richaddulieu1967 3 жыл бұрын
Had the same passat not for long sold it to a mate he ran it for year's loved it 👍👌👏
@sanchoodell6789
@sanchoodell6789 3 жыл бұрын
This still looks so so modern! As if it was recorded last week or so. Unbelievably it was 48 years ago. 48 years before 1973 would be 1925! that is crazy. Way on the other side of World War Two. If they had made such a car review show it would look a lot more 'dated' (in fact it was before the era of Television!)
@michaelsalt4565
@michaelsalt4565 3 жыл бұрын
Yet the technology in today's cars compared to that generation is light years ahead.
@liminal-m3g
@liminal-m3g 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I've noticed that with a lot of the Thames early/mid 70s car programmes, it's kind of uncanny the way they look and sound so fresh after so many decades. Even the music from that era (the good stuff like David Bowie etc) still sounds great today. I guess they were using video tape and not film for OB recordings by this point? It might account for the 'immediacy' of the images?
@keithe8449
@keithe8449 3 жыл бұрын
Cars advanced much faster from 1925 to 1973, than from 1973 to the present day. 1973 was far from primitive
@mikemartin2957
@mikemartin2957 3 жыл бұрын
@@liminal-m3g Sports coverage aside,yes Thames , LWT & Yorkshire were using VT a lot on dramas, sitcoms and factual programmes even in outside location work like this, way before the BBC & more regional stations .even black & white programmes 1968 to circa1971 . These 3 companies as well as Granada have a proper archives only the BBC could dream of. Still it looks as if the Drive in Archives are only partially in tact, As the show ran from 1971 to 79.
@mikemartin2957
@mikemartin2957 3 жыл бұрын
@@keithe8449 though popular cars from 1973 particularly UK , some smaller Japanese & a few continental made cars were still sold with cross-ply tyres, dynamos,drum front brakes , single braking circuit , non collapsible steering column, non laminated windscreens & lack of heated back window.
@jeroenvuyk5035
@jeroenvuyk5035 3 жыл бұрын
Nice Video.My parents got an Allegro and I had myself a Passat.
@sporkfindus4777
@sporkfindus4777 Жыл бұрын
Tony an excellent presenter
@kamrankhan-lj1ng
@kamrankhan-lj1ng 3 жыл бұрын
Never seen a motor show with a keener gaze than Drive-In.
@thepub245
@thepub245 3 жыл бұрын
I thought Shaw Taylor was coming on to say the Allegro was totally criminal!
@mr.grumpygrumpy2035
@mr.grumpygrumpy2035 3 жыл бұрын
Brazil made this first-gen Passat all the way to 1987, the last model had a 1.8 GTS trim with Recaro seats, a sought-after collectible nowadays.
@tonyhancock3912
@tonyhancock3912 3 жыл бұрын
Tony Bastaple. He didn't suffer fools and he didn't put up with any nonsense
@juliestonelake7606
@juliestonelake7606 3 жыл бұрын
That's incredible! computer diagnostics in 1973 for the Passat. Who'd of funk it?
@gertvanderhorst2890
@gertvanderhorst2890 3 жыл бұрын
The air-cooled 411E with Bosch efi from 1971 (!) was first to have diagnostic. Vorsprung durch Technik ! And yes these VW too rusted like shite
@owenshebbeare2999
@owenshebbeare2999 2 жыл бұрын
@@gertvanderhorst2890 Didn't some later Type 3's have it a couple of years earlier? 1967 or 8 if memory serves, or was that a different system? My parent's model, from 1976, didn't rust and was apparently the only one in history that didn't. It wasn't a reliable car, but rust wasn't an issue.
@martinloney6322
@martinloney6322 2 жыл бұрын
Yes the diagnostics helped me watch my Passat’s compression going down service by service.
@darrensmith6999
@darrensmith6999 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@TB.....
@TB..... 3 жыл бұрын
I was going to buy one on Wednesday but this review put me off.
@dragospahontu
@dragospahontu 3 жыл бұрын
Hahahaah
@MrClingclong
@MrClingclong 3 жыл бұрын
If you see Harris Mann's original drawings of the proposed Allegro the look is very sleek and attractive. However, this was in the British Leyland days, and they seemed to have had a deep hatred of the motoring public, so, they spoiled the design totally. They gave it the appearance of a cartoon pig bursting for a shit. It wouldn't have been so bad if the berks in Longbridge could have nailed the thing together properly.
@phhu7554
@phhu7554 3 жыл бұрын
I seem to recall hearing somewhere it was made higher to accommodate the engine pity really as you said it could of looked really nice.
@bertrandbunatz1765
@bertrandbunatz1765 Жыл бұрын
@@phhu7554 True. And also the heater matrix which was very deep. Both the E series engine and the heater system compromised the original sleek design of Harris Mann, hence the bulbus and pig like shape.
@camwat5193
@camwat5193 Жыл бұрын
My dad bought a Passat LS estate in 1975 when I was 11. Spent hours in the back of that looking out at all of the other cars on the road building a fascination of cars. Always preferred the foreign motors such as the Passat, Renault 16, Alfasud, the weird rotary Mazdas etc etc etc to the staid Marinas, Triumphs, Allegros and Maxis that were built in the U.K. Those early car memories stay with you and shape you forever.
@ragingbull94mtx
@ragingbull94mtx 3 жыл бұрын
So now I see where the C8 Corvette interior designers got their inspiration from for the steering wheel. And as others have commented, shocking to see computer-based diagnostics available on an early-1970s car. Google says VW first introduced this technology in 1969!
@mikemartin2957
@mikemartin2957 3 жыл бұрын
It wasn't that big a deal as it only measured dwell angle of the contacts ( which by the late 70s were getting obsolete on popular cars) Charging rate,& possibly a timing sensor reading. Both Chrysler UK & the Rover SD1 had the same a few years later.
@ragingbull94mtx
@ragingbull94mtx 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikemartin2957 I appreciate your insights. Anything before the mid-80s and my knowledge of cars drops exponentially.
@S7EVE_P
@S7EVE_P 3 жыл бұрын
I’d love to go back to this quieter time
@Arltratlo
@Arltratlo 4 күн бұрын
in this time, the gear boxes of the trucks been louder than the engines of the same trucks!
@Odnet001
@Odnet001 3 жыл бұрын
More of these please
@benday1218
@benday1218 3 жыл бұрын
NKM 460M lived until 1990! Good innings.
@liminal-m3g
@liminal-m3g 3 жыл бұрын
It went from T-Rex to the Rave/House era! : )
@TheGalacticEmperorOfLabels
@TheGalacticEmperorOfLabels 3 жыл бұрын
That's good going for a car *made* in 1990, never mind a 1975 Allegro. Elderly owner no doubt.
@russcattell955i
@russcattell955i 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheGalacticEmperorOfLabels NKM 460 M was the reg of the VW, the Allagro provided was a reg year older.
@juliestonelake7606
@juliestonelake7606 3 жыл бұрын
I've never ever seen a 2 door Passat in my life. I wonder how many of them are left.
@russcattell955i
@russcattell955i 3 жыл бұрын
@@juliestonelake7606 I worked in a VW dealers in the 80's. There were quite a few in for service.
@spankysmp
@spankysmp 3 жыл бұрын
Good the have the car segments back.....at last! Jeez - Passat would be £21 grand in todays money about the same as an A3 I guess
@lewis72
@lewis72 Жыл бұрын
I think VW pushed the Passat upwards when the Golf/Jetta came out.
@READYTEDDYBEAR
@READYTEDDYBEAR 3 жыл бұрын
I can smell the vinyl seats and memories of 3rd degree burns off the vinyl seats on sunny days. The smell of the little ashtrays built into the side panels full of cigarette butt's. The smell of 3 star petroleum and a having my lungs pumped full of lead. Shit times best forgotten. 👍
@garyhoffmann1615
@garyhoffmann1615 3 жыл бұрын
A square wheel, that idea really took on.
@Edvard.Munchkin
@Edvard.Munchkin 3 жыл бұрын
1973 Passat, the start of a legend
@kamrankhan-lj1ng
@kamrankhan-lj1ng 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@SimonWebbRCandModellingChannel
@SimonWebbRCandModellingChannel Жыл бұрын
I agree.....having owned 2 x B5.5 Saloons and currently own a B8 Estate.....I love Passats!
@Arltratlo
@Arltratlo 4 күн бұрын
we got our first in 1977, 2nd in 1979 and my first car been a 1982 Santana/Passat...and also my last VW!
@renaultlover1
@renaultlover1 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder why they compared these two cars they're in two different classes. Volkswagen came up with the Golf a year later in 1974 and competed against the Allegro whilst the Passat against the Morris Marina.
@Thecrazyvaclav
@Thecrazyvaclav 3 жыл бұрын
You've answered your own question, golf didn't exist at this point, and apart from the beetle, the Passat was the smallest VW, so bang in competition with the allegro. Passat only moved up a class when the golf arrived
@renaultlover1
@renaultlover1 3 жыл бұрын
@@Thecrazyvaclav They should have compared the Allegro to the Beetle. That would have been fair.
@nkt1
@nkt1 3 жыл бұрын
@@renaultlover1 Hardly. The Beetle was a rather primitive, economy car. The Allegro was more sophisticated and aimed at a different market.
@renaultlover1
@renaultlover1 3 жыл бұрын
@@nkt1 Primitive yes, but the same class as what the Gold would become and same as the Allegro. The Passat should have been compared to the Morris Marina.
@nkt1
@nkt1 3 жыл бұрын
@@renaultlover1 I just don't see the point in comparing the FWD Allegro, designed in the early 1970s, with a RWD, air-cooled, rear-engined car designed 30 years earlier. You might as well compare the Allegro with a 2CV. Likewise, the Passat was much more sophisticated, and expensive, than the Marina.
@Schlipperschlopper
@Schlipperschlopper 2 ай бұрын
I like the Allegro more it has some nice and funny looks that make you smile! The Passat should have compared to the Princess 1800 and 2200!
@Arltratlo
@Arltratlo 4 күн бұрын
sure, with a 1,3l and 1,5l engine!
@Schlipperschlopper
@Schlipperschlopper 4 күн бұрын
@@Arltratlo E Series was good!
@tonyinit8488
@tonyinit8488 3 жыл бұрын
Even new cars looked used back in the day..... but my oh my Tony steals the show yet again, with his matter of fact delivery and yellowness
@buddha1736
@buddha1736 3 жыл бұрын
I had the clutch cable brake on a night out on with my old Allegro, I had to walk home about 6 miles in the Snow ❄️ nearly froze to Death. 😂
@Landie_Man
@Landie_Man 3 жыл бұрын
Why didn’t you crash box it?
@catskillwoodgas
@catskillwoodgas 3 жыл бұрын
Start the engine in 1st gear Rev match the rest.
@oris247
@oris247 3 жыл бұрын
Still better than being in an Allaggro
@owenlewis8006
@owenlewis8006 3 жыл бұрын
Strange, my allegro didn't have a cable, it was hydraulic clutch. Like every other 70s Leyland car.
@simonhill2820
@simonhill2820 3 жыл бұрын
I doubt you did , Hydro Clutch on Allegros.
@brooksy9244
@brooksy9244 3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy these old reviews - more please!
@becconvideo
@becconvideo 3 жыл бұрын
Funny - the Allegro hardly sold outside of the UK has the windscreen wipers layout like on a left hand drive - while VW changes it accordingly.
@kamrankhan-lj1ng
@kamrankhan-lj1ng 3 жыл бұрын
Wow
@Arltratlo
@Arltratlo 4 күн бұрын
there is a reason, Brits doing things only Brits understand... Germans try to understand others!
@oris247
@oris247 3 жыл бұрын
What's an Ordi?
@vangestelwijnen
@vangestelwijnen 3 жыл бұрын
More storage space after two years. You could stuff your belongings in the new-established holes
@catjudo1
@catjudo1 3 жыл бұрын
I knew a Welsh exchange student my last two years in college in Colorado. We both liked cars and he introduced me to a lot of British domestic models I'd never heard of. When he showed me a picture of himself with an Austin Allegro (his car at the time), he never called it an Allegro, only a "Faillegro" as it was so unreliable his wrench turning couldn't keep up with it. Sadly, I lost track of him when he went back. Cool guy though.
@bluedick321
@bluedick321 Жыл бұрын
Coolness and Allegro ownership, not usually a phrase seen together :-) ( my first 3 years of driving was in my Mum's maroon allegro estate a memorable car ).
@thepub245
@thepub245 3 жыл бұрын
My Dad had a '79 Passat, which was in shit brown colour unfortunately with a biscuit colour interior. It was quite a revelation and leap forward mechanically from his previous motor, which was an air cooled Volkswagen fastback. The Passat had a hatch and the 1.6 engine which put out 75 hp, so it would have been nippy enough in its day too, as it probably didn't weigh much. It had efi which made a distinctive whirring noise on start up, I can still hear it now in my minds ear!
@dragospahontu
@dragospahontu 3 жыл бұрын
I like brown cars, you can see the money invested in the Passat vs the Allegro
@kamrankhan-lj1ng
@kamrankhan-lj1ng 3 жыл бұрын
That whirring sound is due to EFI???? I always thought it is transmission noise!
@Arltratlo
@Arltratlo 4 күн бұрын
our 1979 Passat GLS, 5 doors....been 925kg in weight.....my now Hyundai i10 is over 1000kg.. the Passat been quiet fast with its 75hp....you could prove it here, on the Autobahn! its survived over 12 years!
@garyparker2541
@garyparker2541 11 ай бұрын
That Allegro sounded 15 years old already, strained engine, gearbox whine and creaking suspension!
@derin111
@derin111 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! The prices...only about £1k ! When did prices take a massive leap? In 1985, I bought a 1982 Lancia Beta Coupe that had cost £11K when new. That’s more than TEN TIMES more than that Allegro only ten years earlier.
@jareknowak8712
@jareknowak8712 3 жыл бұрын
Sir, You had a very beautiful car. I love Lancia, especially Gamma Coupe.
@derin111
@derin111 3 жыл бұрын
@@jareknowak8712 thanks. It was a long time ago now. If you are interested you can see more of the cars that I owned on www.bmwclassics.co.uk Thanks!
@RoadCone411
@RoadCone411 3 жыл бұрын
The 1970s had rampant inflation. My dad’s new Golf GLS, bought in 1980 on the first day of W-reg, cost about £4,000 as I recall.
@owenlewis8006
@owenlewis8006 3 жыл бұрын
I have some old car magazines from the 70s, inflation was mental. In '77 the price of a new cortina had doubled in a year.
@derin111
@derin111 3 жыл бұрын
@@owenlewis8006 that's amazing. Yes that's what must have done it the crazy inflation we had.
@terryroberts505
@terryroberts505 3 жыл бұрын
I'll have the ford consul Capri in the back ground as the allegro is being driven thanks
@irsw51
@irsw51 3 жыл бұрын
Your welcome. Could I please have the Riley Elf following the Passat?
@ronmccullock1407
@ronmccullock1407 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely weather
@steelhelmetstan7305
@steelhelmetstan7305 3 жыл бұрын
Volkswagen for me I think , 🤔
@TheVintageApplianceEmporium
@TheVintageApplianceEmporium 3 жыл бұрын
You'd have to be insane to choose the Allegro over the Passat. In 2021, which model still exists? Says it all really!
@joanne26
@joanne26 3 жыл бұрын
What a great clip seeing Tony Bastable talking about the cars of the day. Its so sad that he died young. OMG The Austin Allegro and a choice of 4 ENGINES!!!! Under the bonnet when a MAN could TINKER with it Its all diagnostics now and in the next 10 years no COMBUSION ENGINES - ALL ELECTRIC
@TrippyNoodles
@TrippyNoodles 3 жыл бұрын
My head says VW but my heart says buy the 1500cc dogs dinner.
@dragospahontu
@dragospahontu 3 жыл бұрын
Hahahah
@Arltratlo
@Arltratlo 4 күн бұрын
they got later a 1.6l engine with 75hp...that was a good engine, for driving on the Autobahn!
@trenomanis
@trenomanis 9 ай бұрын
Allegro and really Britih Car for ever and ever!
@Arltratlo
@Arltratlo 4 күн бұрын
you are right, people will still wonder in 100 years what a crap the Brits hammered together and called a car!
@mikehumble1120
@mikehumble1120 3 ай бұрын
Inch high Tony.... Much missed
@ursus911
@ursus911 3 жыл бұрын
still the golden times for Leyland. Passat was far from perfect, rosting etc. and Leyland had yet the money to build a new car at all. But the commentator was aware, what will come..... Golf was in sight....
@Arltratlo
@Arltratlo 4 күн бұрын
dont forget, Passat still build, Allegro only in museums!
@Edgel-in6bs
@Edgel-in6bs 3 жыл бұрын
Whenever you see reviews of the allegro, marina or other filth released by BL in the 70s, you can see British presenters desperate to note they're utterly shocking, but holding back because the cars are British and they'd be accused of disloyalty.
@georgegeorgakopoulos5956
@georgegeorgakopoulos5956 3 жыл бұрын
to buy this wide and airy car as the allegro nowadays you have to give at least 40k euros.
@owensteele1645
@owensteele1645 Жыл бұрын
My! The Passat has grown!
@Arltratlo
@Arltratlo 4 күн бұрын
the new Golf is bigger than a Passat from 1973...
@weerobot
@weerobot 3 жыл бұрын
Feel like calling a Union meeting now..
@crumplezone1
@crumplezone1 3 жыл бұрын
I`m with you brother :)
@Dr.D00p
@Dr.D00p 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus, Even when brand new, Allegro's looked like they'd been on the road for 10yrs...
@MsSteve70
@MsSteve70 3 жыл бұрын
Hahahahah!
@mikemartin2957
@mikemartin2957 3 жыл бұрын
Yes , mechanically speaking the 1100 &1300 Allegro were (apart from instruments, suspension, Hydrolastic to Hydrogas & that steering wheel ) similar to it's predecessor the far superior 1962 to '74 BMC1100/1300.& It's many derivatives!
@nicholassigsworth7654
@nicholassigsworth7654 3 жыл бұрын
2nd generation Ordi 80
@BanjoLuke1
@BanjoLuke1 3 жыл бұрын
My dear, late dad drove an "Ordi 80". He was one of that generation who learned their Latin pre-war, so "au" was pronounced "or". After retirement, he switched to a Golf, that he insisted on calling a "Gofe". And, having spent several months in the Normandy campaign and then several more on Hamburg after VE day, he slipped into German from time to time and said "I bought a very nippy little Fau Vey". So he went from an Ordi 80 to a Fau Vey Gofe. Nobody ever really knew what he drove.
@rolandgrant8669
@rolandgrant8669 3 жыл бұрын
@@BanjoLuke1 Brilliant!
@MMM18092
@MMM18092 3 жыл бұрын
Diagnostic box? For the computer? Is this really 1973?
@jeremygeduldt936
@jeremygeduldt936 8 ай бұрын
The 1975 & 1977 models had round headlights & different grille 77 ; 75 just round headlights .
@Arltratlo
@Arltratlo 4 күн бұрын
our 1977 had square ones, our 1979 4 round ones...looked great!
@BanjoLuke1
@BanjoLuke1 Ай бұрын
A remarkable little view of the world of 1973. Like many in the UK, the presenter used the old "schoolboy Latin" pronunciation of "Audi". Rarely or never heard today. Neither car has a passenger-door mirror. The diagnostic socket was a rarity even in 1976 when iur family had its first Passat. The Allegro was a part of the death of the pre-nationalisation BMC/BLMC tragedy. Apparently built for export, but with almost no export sales. No tailgate, no folding seats... not much of anything. And continental buyers ignored it, even when they lived within 50km of a BL agent. Amusing to see the Passat before the 3/5-door body took over. As for the Allegro, the last of the 1100/1300 models were still in showrooms when thos was filmed. And... Apart from the (then) slightly dated looks, they were better cars in almost every way. And the Passat? It was already a decade ahead. Fabulous old footage, full of nostalgia and charm.
@liverush24
@liverush24 3 жыл бұрын
"The German, front-wheel drive, front- engined, water-cooled mini-car" - Nah, Tone. That'll never happen.
@kamrankhan-lj1ng
@kamrankhan-lj1ng 3 жыл бұрын
It happened the very next year.
@pepijnstraatman5730
@pepijnstraatman5730 3 жыл бұрын
For a moment there I thought it was Peter Sellers at the very end
@Boric78
@Boric78 3 жыл бұрын
Tony Bastable later changed his name to Alan Patridge.
@karldelavigne8134
@karldelavigne8134 3 жыл бұрын
A teacher at my school was still driving an Allegro in the 1980s and he was rightly widely ridiculed. The Passat looks miserable too.
@cashcrop70
@cashcrop70 3 жыл бұрын
We had one in the early/mid 80s and it wasn't that unusual.
@karldelavigne8134
@karldelavigne8134 3 жыл бұрын
@@cashcrop70 The teacher's one was a sort of Fanta orange, had very dented bumpers, smoked a lot and was a rust bucket. It had not aged well 🙈
@cashcrop70
@cashcrop70 3 жыл бұрын
@@karldelavigne8134 Ours was a light brown so-called Allegro 'special'; apparently more special than the Allegro 'super'.
@dragospahontu
@dragospahontu 3 жыл бұрын
@@cashcrop70 Passat was better. But Camry is king
@davidwainwright2816
@davidwainwright2816 3 жыл бұрын
Remarkably Similar……!!😂😂😂😂😂. He must be joking….The Passat is still going….
@dragospahontu
@dragospahontu 3 жыл бұрын
He's British he's designed to like British cars
@grahaigh
@grahaigh 3 жыл бұрын
These cars are not really competing with each other at all. Most importantly, they'e in different price brackets.
@Arltratlo
@Arltratlo 4 күн бұрын
and quality....
@jareknowak8712
@jareknowak8712 3 жыл бұрын
....computer! ....square steering wheel! ITS FUTURE!
@stickmansamsmith
@stickmansamsmith 3 жыл бұрын
I spy a nice little Inka BMW 2002 looking out to see near the end of the review
@bcfairlie1
@bcfairlie1 3 жыл бұрын
I would kill to have a Maxi engined , 5 speed Allegro
@davidlister370
@davidlister370 3 жыл бұрын
Alan Partridge would be proud!
@johnthomas7038
@johnthomas7038 5 ай бұрын
If they'd done a long term test comparison, I don't think that the Allegro would have made it to the finish line.
@michaeldoolan7864
@michaeldoolan7864 Жыл бұрын
The year I was born: eye level, can the can, watergate
@wombat1238marsupial
@wombat1238marsupial 3 жыл бұрын
Passed my test in an Allegro😊😊
@kamrankhan-lj1ng
@kamrankhan-lj1ng 3 жыл бұрын
Hydragas suspension and still a choppy ride!!! strange!
@markduncan3246
@markduncan3246 3 жыл бұрын
classic alan partridge,brilliant
@marshalllucky
@marshalllucky 3 жыл бұрын
why oh why are they still testing old cars that you can no longer buy? what is going on at Thames ?
@russcattell955i
@russcattell955i 3 жыл бұрын
Have you not heard, the all new Mogg Motors are re-releasing the Allagro & Marina.../s
@user-ho4rv6kg8u
@user-ho4rv6kg8u 3 ай бұрын
50 years from now people will be able to watch this on phones that they can carry in their pocket.......... what is a computer?
@WarrenCromartie2
@WarrenCromartie2 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. My dad bought an Allegro in 1974. It was bloody awful, and rotted from the inside out.
@Arltratlo
@Arltratlo 2 жыл бұрын
our 1975 Passat served our family for over 20 years!
@grahaigh
@grahaigh 3 жыл бұрын
At 4:42 - "clutch foots"?
@TheGalacticEmperorOfLabels
@TheGalacticEmperorOfLabels 3 жыл бұрын
Hard to believe that thousands and thousands of people saw this in 1975 and went, 'I'll have the Allegro.' Almost as hard to believe as manufacturers building hatchback bodies then fitting a boot with a narrow lid. What was *that* about?
@smorris12
@smorris12 3 жыл бұрын
Probably would have taken away too much structural rigidity. Or, like many things, the designers were never made to actually use it!
@philnewstead5388
@philnewstead5388 2 жыл бұрын
As we now know the Passat became a hatchback eventually and the Allegro was originally designed as a hatchback but BL management decided in their infinite wisdom not to do that as they felt that it would steal sales from the Maxi and in any case there wasn't a market for a small hatchback, then three years later the Fiesta arrived and the rest is history.
@eatonjask
@eatonjask Жыл бұрын
They called it a ' fastback,' body then - sports cars came with them, and the intent was to make these small card seem more sporty. Hatchbacks weren't a thing before the Ford Fiesta and the VW Golf/Rabbit
@runoflife87
@runoflife87 3 жыл бұрын
Saloon? Those are just hatchbacks without proper rear door.
@peezebeuponyou3774
@peezebeuponyou3774 3 жыл бұрын
Looking back on UK cars produced in the 70's, literally makes me shudder.
@alunhoskins4513
@alunhoskins4513 2 жыл бұрын
Just like the cars themselves, the BL ones in particular. A shame.
@christopherludlam1602
@christopherludlam1602 3 жыл бұрын
Bastable is the real life Alan Partridge
@nicholassigsworth7654
@nicholassigsworth7654 3 жыл бұрын
Wow - Pea & ham soup green
@grimreboot
@grimreboot 3 жыл бұрын
My the paint work..... I bet that was the best the Allegro looked until it met a few months of UK weather....
@S7EVE_P
@S7EVE_P 3 жыл бұрын
The Allegro lasted until 1987, not bad for a seventies motor
@doodemog
@doodemog 3 жыл бұрын
1982
@PaulabJohnson
@PaulabJohnson 3 жыл бұрын
It only lasted so long because BL.had no money to build it's replacement. Even when they did find some money to build tge Maestro a lit of the underpinnings were Allegro
@paulhackett1313
@paulhackett1313 3 жыл бұрын
Both of them had a long life,for that time.
@ofirs5830
@ofirs5830 3 жыл бұрын
The bonet in the allegro doesn't seem like it's closed properly
@flori5548
@flori5548 3 жыл бұрын
One nameplate is still alive and one isn’t :D
@billiardball9650
@billiardball9650 Жыл бұрын
look at the prices for new cars and the extorsion amounts for cars from then crazy
@waynetetley584
@waynetetley584 3 жыл бұрын
Top presenter but I like the switch in pronouncing Audi part way through from the anglicised way to what we know now!
@simonhodgetts6530
@simonhodgetts6530 3 жыл бұрын
I remember my Granddad always called them ‘Ordi’
@dragospahontu
@dragospahontu 3 жыл бұрын
@@simonhodgetts6530 hqhhaha
@granttaylor8179
@granttaylor8179 3 жыл бұрын
The bonnet does not fit correctly on the Allegro.
@DrRock2009
@DrRock2009 3 жыл бұрын
Suspect it was already ready to open.
@danmccarthy4700
@danmccarthy4700 3 жыл бұрын
I rather like the Allegro. It was charming and weird. Then again I've never driven or even seen one in person.
@crumplezone1
@crumplezone1 3 жыл бұрын
You Sir have great taste ,I owned one in the 80s and after fitting electronic ignition it never really let me down, but the dreaded tin worm got to her so had to go to junk yard heaven
@Car_and_classic_lover
@Car_and_classic_lover 3 жыл бұрын
Same, I really like the shape despite not seeing one since I was really young.👍
@philnewstead5388
@philnewstead5388 2 жыл бұрын
I had one as my first car, they were nowhere near as bad as people say, the styling was a bit strange but I think that is a subjective thing anyway and yes the quality control was piss poor but as an engineering job there was nothing wrong with them and the interior particularly on the series 2 and 3 cars was much better than many of its contemporaries. I would suggest that if you got out of a modern car and drove one now the driving experience would be pretty poor but I also had a 3 litre Capri back in the day which I thought was the dogs do dahs at the time but I recently had the opportunity to drive a late 3ltr S and kind of wished I'd just kept the memory.
@brendangarvin7787
@brendangarvin7787 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine if British Leyland had got its act together in the 1970s. Would we be seeing Mark 10 Allegros on the road today?
@jonnyc429
@jonnyc429 2 жыл бұрын
*side of the road.
@jareknowak8712
@jareknowak8712 3 жыл бұрын
Love it! Not the car!
@aston-martin-internationalist
@aston-martin-internationalist 3 жыл бұрын
Must be the time before Tony Bastable was bought by Ford Motor Company.
@kamrankhan-lj1ng
@kamrankhan-lj1ng 3 жыл бұрын
His Ford tenure started in the 80s. He was much better as an independent reviewer.
@MrChooChoo
@MrChooChoo 2 ай бұрын
Bah🥺 No Womble in the background
@benday1218
@benday1218 3 жыл бұрын
Umm, VW didn't lose the game, did they!
@richardrichard5409
@richardrichard5409 2 жыл бұрын
No need to open the bonnet on that All'agro with panel gaps like that.
@xxrs2009
@xxrs2009 3 жыл бұрын
It's so small, the Passat
@kamrankhan-lj1ng
@kamrankhan-lj1ng 3 жыл бұрын
It was. Every car was so small then. Gradually got bigger and bigger.
@spinnetti
@spinnetti 10 ай бұрын
In Today's money, these are the price of an Audi A3... so in that sense, cars are SO much better for the money today its hard to conceive really.
@michaelsalt4565
@michaelsalt4565 3 жыл бұрын
By the way British Leyland was a creation of the UK government, a reason we should not let politicans micromanage the economy. There job is to create an environment where industry grows, creates jobs, promotes exports with effective regulation.
@MajorKlanga
@MajorKlanga 3 жыл бұрын
If BMC hadn't merged with BMH in 1968 to create BL, BMH would have collapsed. Both companies were woefully mismanaged by greedy, short-sighted and pompous individuals who didn't think of investing in research and development or treat the workers who made the cars with a modicum of respect. The part nationalisation of BL of 1975 was the only way to stop the business going bust and saving thousands of jobs. VW, Renault and even Skoda proved that car manufacturers partly owned by the state could be successful ; the UK government unfortunately continued the British tradition of under investment and dictatorial mismanagement.
@michaelsalt4565
@michaelsalt4565 3 жыл бұрын
@@MajorKlanga The Wilson Labour government (1964-1970) came to power at a time when British manufacturing industry was in decline and decided that the remedy was to promote more mergers, particularly in the motor industry. Chrysler was already buying into the Rootes Group, Leyland Motors had acquired Standard Triumph in 1961 (and would buy Rover in 1967) and had become a major automotive force. BMC was suffering a dramatic drop in its share of the home market. Tony Benn, appointed Minister of Technology in July 1966, brought pressure to bear on the industry.
@stuartparfitt2294
@stuartparfitt2294 3 жыл бұрын
It's interesting that this review has VW against BL, as VW have shown that merger\aquisition works well. Just a small point, but the merger of Jaguar and BMC became BMH, and then the later merger of Leyland (Rover and Triumph) and BMH became BL. WIth hindsight it's easy to see that the volume arm of BL (Austin and Morris) were dragging down the "prestige" (and profitable) arm (Jaguar, Rover Triumph). But it could have (and should have) worked and at the time something desperately needed doing! Donald Stokes gets a lot of bad press, but he turned Triumph around in the 60s and it's a real shame that he couldn't have done the same with BL into the 70s.
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