Retro Gaming Will NEVER Be The Same - RetroTINK 4K Review
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The RetroTINK 4K is the ultimate device that answers nearly all hopes and prayers of the retro community. But it comes at a high cost. Is that cost worth it? I test just about everything in this RetroTINK 4K review.
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TIMECODES:
00:00:00 Don't Be intimidated!
00:01:37 This changes EVERYTHING
00:04:12 PHYSICAL OVERVIEW
00:05:59 RETRO GAMING
00:09:48 SAMPLING/PHASE EXPLAINED
00:15:36 HDMI MODDED GAMING
00:19:53 MODERN HD GAMING
00:23:41 SCALING METHODS
00:26:24 VINTAGE COMPUTING
00:30:42 SPECIAL EFFECTS
00:39:49 VIDEO, GlitchArt, WORK
00:46:44 COMPETITION/PRICING (4K Gamer Pro & mClassic Comparisons)
00:54:31 CAPTURE & STREAMING
00:57:32 ACCESSORIES & CONCLUSION
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@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
I don't have the VHS/Hi8 profiles ready to share just yet, should be over the weekend! Will update description and post on Discord/Twitter when they're ready :)
@backlogbusters 6 ай бұрын
So cool!! Honestly the ability to download/share profiles is half the reason I’m excited to upgrade my 5x for the 4K! The community around the RetroTink is going to be even more thriving than before!
@arnaudcalistri2433 6 ай бұрын
Super cool. I wanted to test VHS on my RT4K this week-end. (I still haven't watched your video but it will happen tomorrow)
@tylerrobb 6 ай бұрын
I just picked up a JVC SR-VS30U for capturing MiniDV over Firewire and VHS through a ATI TV Wonder HD 600 USB. After I finish the MiniDV tapes, I think I might be interested in snagging a RT4K and experimenting. So much to learn here! Thank you for this. (The TBC on the JVC seems to be pretty good from what I'm reading, but still need to better understand what options are out there. Then to learn deinterlacing and upscaling!)
@arnaudcalistri2433 6 ай бұрын
@@tylerrobb Interesting. I'm planning on ripping a lot of DV cassettes since a while. I'm using a Sony GV-HD700 for it. But I'm gonna wait a little to see if profiles are created for the DV format...
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
@@arnaudcalistri2433 For that just use a firewire-equipped deck or camera and get the raw DV data off the tapes. They're already compressed w/ digital compression, so using analog scaling for them is kinda pointless IMO Made a video on this here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nLRpeq2Znc26gpc.html
@philscomputerlab 6 ай бұрын
Excellent video! Thank you for covering Retro PC 😊
@kennylauderdale_en 6 ай бұрын
The irony of filming this entire video in front of a BVM-D24E1WU was not lost on me.
@maegnificant 6 ай бұрын
Will you use this to capture anime in higher quality now?
@unchiga2812 6 ай бұрын
The paid promotions and free units sent out to popular retro gamers is getting annoying. It's no replacement for CRTs.
@maegnificant 6 ай бұрын
@@unchiga2812 it is for most people.
@ZombeekDragmire 6 ай бұрын
@@unchiga2812 🤡
@RobertPayne556 6 ай бұрын
🍧 much? 🤢🤑🤢
@AxfNPn3l 6 ай бұрын
Got mine today (my order went through at the 3 min mark). This is a lot of money, but at least you are getting everything you are paying for and more. Mike did a phenomenal job and this is a significant milestone in this hobby.
@NostraSamus Ай бұрын
Can’t wait for mine to arrive. I was not going to have a bulky CRT in my home 🤷🏾♂️
@backlogbusters 6 ай бұрын
So pumped for such a deep dive and lengthy video on the RetroTink4K! Something to fill the time before the second production run where I’m hopefully luckier with the “buy now” button haha! 🤞
@SDMasterYoda 6 ай бұрын
I can tell you formatted the SD card with a Mac. The ".DS_store" hidden files put on the card by Macs show up as blank lines in the profile folders. Remove them and there won't be blank lines in the folders anymore.
@KordanorsGamingLair 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video and especially the PC Win/DOS coverage!
@cs_marble 6 ай бұрын
Great video! I bet this took a ton of work. Thanks for putting it together!
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Thank you!!!
@TheBardOfTheRedHand 6 ай бұрын
Excellent video as always. I'm not rushing out to offload my consumer CRTs (got a standard set and an HD one) yet but I am very interested in this long term for playing on bigger, more modern screens. Especially as there will come a day when the CRTs will not work anymore and not even Steve will be able to repair them.
@BBKDRAGOON 6 ай бұрын
Incredible video, well done and thanks for the effort putting together such an awesome resource
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Thank you dude!
@DavesArchives 6 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for this. As a tape archivist of VHS and Beta on my channel, I'm seriously interested. Would love to see more video samples!!
@guitaristtom 6 ай бұрын
I've been waiting for your video ever since I saw the short!
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Hope you enjoyed it!
@lamegag 6 ай бұрын
Fantastic video. Very informative.
@DadLadsGaming 6 ай бұрын
That was absolutely excellent....great work. We were lucky enough to snag a pre order so I'm even more excited to get the 4K now👍👍
@justinberken 6 ай бұрын
I watched this from start to finish. I wish it was longer😊… Also, if Mike Chi is able to integrate TBC, game over. Hoping there is a January restock 🤞
@stormenthusiast160 6 ай бұрын
New viewer here! Fantastic review! enjoyed the video a lot! GREAT video editing and commentary! :DD keep it up!
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Thank you
@graelesretro 6 ай бұрын
Never would've thought someone would show off an old Gateway p3 computer with a voodoo 3 on it through the RT4K, it's literally EXACTLY the use case I wanted the RT4K for as it was my very first PC, and just restored it recently. Seeing that brought me a silly amount of joy lol.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Haha hell yeah
@RastaJediX 6 ай бұрын
So glad Console Mods worked out. Thank you Bob and Derf and Old Kid and Mike Chi et al.
@SquidHominid 6 ай бұрын
Diving into the comments early to say that I've been eagerly awaiting this video for a while now, I've had hands on a production sample of the RT4K for the last couple months and it's a truly amazing piece of tech. Everyone who plays retro games on real hardware or on things like the MiSTer or Polymega or a RetroPie setup needs to give this thing a shot if they have the money to burn on it. Incredibly excited to see what Epos has to say about it.
@zkdr6278 6 ай бұрын
Even a retropie? That thing outputs hdmi natively why even?
@SquidHominid 6 ай бұрын
@@zkdr6278 HDMI input, pre-scale if necessary, CRT filters. Epos talks about it in this video but MLiG did an entire video on it that's worth checking out. I haven't used a RetroPie extensively enough to know but I think that would be easier / possibly work better than trying to set up something like CRT Royale, especially if you're running one of the much older Raspberry Pis. Alternatively, use the composite output on the Raspberry Pi with the scaler of your choice for that authentic 80s video crust, and THEN put CRT filters on it.
@TeaOS 6 ай бұрын
I've been waiting for this one
@gamerstimes127 6 ай бұрын
Mike Chi is the ultimate Retro Legend
@Choops6969 6 ай бұрын
CRTs are dead!? that's amazing to hear! I'll take that 20 inch 16:9 BVM off your hands then.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Sure, $5000 plus pickup
@tranquil14738 6 ай бұрын
@@EposVoxFIVE THOUSAND GODDAMN
@spennser 6 ай бұрын
thanks for this overview! what grain do you use on your videos?
@jimpayne9488 6 ай бұрын
Would love a demo and/or tutorial using retrotink 4k for home theater. For enthusiasts who have an OLED+atmos receiver+4k Blu-ray player setup, I want to see how they can use the tink4k to get better motion clarity using BFI and other options the tink provides. I’m interested to see if the downscale from 4k to 1080p in exchange for better motion clarity is worth it. Thanks for the amazing, quality vids!!
@Kaiesis 6 ай бұрын
I have this setup you mentioned. Currently have my computer w/3080ti that pushes hdmi 2.1 to the TV. I'm waiting for the tink4k to get back in stock. Also want to test with my laserdisc player.
@jimpayne9488 6 ай бұрын
Would love to see what you think!
@PLEYOR 6 ай бұрын
12:36 - Is that a light blue case for the RetroTINK 5X?! That looks awesome.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Yeah I painted it heh
@tonep3168 6 ай бұрын
Wow, you put some work into this! Thank you! Oh, do you know if this can do timebase correction on VHS?
@SquidHominid 6 ай бұрын
The RetroTINK-5X has a time base corrector. As noted in the video, the 4K will more than likely be getting such functionality in a firmware update.
@willburley 6 ай бұрын
An hour of retro deep diving. Got Dang. I knew this was gonna be an epic one but color me still surprised!
@wilhelm391 6 ай бұрын
Looking Good Obs Daddy!
@SixShots5 5 ай бұрын
Nice flex with the BVM in the back there
@TheMikeyb86 6 ай бұрын
"CRTs are dead" Baine: "For you."
@jonnyelpoiss7 6 ай бұрын
"Crt are deads" **Light gun games has entered the chat.**
@MrBenedictHeyer 6 ай бұрын
Looking forward to your video! Is the BVM an A32 or D32, btw? 🎉 EDIT seems so be a D24 - single handles on the side and a BKM-10R visible in another shot :)
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
D24!
@QuacksterThegraet 6 ай бұрын
20-100$ vs 750$
@gamesessions 6 ай бұрын
hey - do you know if this will work with the Elgato 4K60 S+ for capturing 4K HDR on retro consoles with the CRT effect, for uploading on KZfaq?
@somethinsimple1234 6 ай бұрын
Looks very nice, although when i use a crt its more cuase im chasing a vibe then wanting to play retrogames the best way.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Which is why the CRT emulation is great for recreating that vibe
@Saturn2888 6 ай бұрын
Some old VHS anime look horrible on my 97" LG OLED. Can't wait till this is available, so I can finally use some CRT filters to make them appear more like they would've years ago.
@tranquil14738 6 ай бұрын
What TV do you have???
@Saturn2888 6 ай бұрын
@@tranquil14738 97" LG G2. Even anime Blu-rays look bad when you can tell they're a VHS transfer: Berserk (1997) and Wizardry are a few off the top of my head.
@NeonPizzas Ай бұрын
Is it possible to hook up either the AVS or Analogue Duo to the RetroTINK4K via' HDMI, and gain the CRT scanline/softness features provided by RT4K, including the HDR brightness boost trick that neither the Duo or AVS have on their own?
@RC-pj1pr 12 күн бұрын
I hope Mike ports over the ability to downscale and output 240p/480i, as is possible on the 5x. Really want to try out some pixel games such as Sonic Mania on my 15KHz consumer Widescreen Trinitron.
@fazubattlecaster 6 ай бұрын
A lot of this was Martian to me, but, you seemed excited about it and I watched. #Engagement😁
@NJRoadfan 6 ай бұрын
I know it isn't suited to capture VHS or other analog video (yet?), but does it support 480i pass through like the 5X did? As in, can the 4K be used as a (mostly) transparent ADC for video capture?
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
There’s not an option for it; could probably be added
@NanoNutrino 6 ай бұрын
I want to play pc port or modded retro games in 16:9 but with the crt filter. native 16:9, sonic, mario 64, ocarina of time, melee. You get the old with the new
@beyshadow 5 ай бұрын
You could use this to do that. There are software solutions as well tho, you could try shaderglass.
@ApolloniosIX 23 күн бұрын
which horizontal stand are you using for the retrotink 4k?
@cesarsilva2282 6 ай бұрын
I'm waiting for OSSC PRO.
@haloharry97 6 ай бұрын
I love to see what 5k or 8k one Would look like O_O... or maybe one that can input to a pc that can be used with EmuVR....
@sos.gamers 3 ай бұрын
this is the reason i sold my PVM 2130QM, to buy a Retrotink 4k and also i can do VHS to digital more easy with my Panasonic FS200
@Chris-Courage 6 ай бұрын
Until the cost of an upscaler like this comes down to the point of where it's the same as a used crt, then I'll just stick with my crt. I'm sure it's a nice device for people with money to spend though.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
“A used CRT” is a nonexistent price point to compare to lol. Most used CRTs can be had for free, the rest tend to be around the same as the price of this, or significantly more as discussed in the video
@NeonPizzas 14 күн бұрын
@@EposVox CRT's, including Sony's Trinitron WEGA's(2005) would be a lot more appealing to jump back into with original hardware, if they hadn't aged 15 years, combined with low hours. As is, there's no way a 15 year old WEGA with plenty of hours tossed into it will provide a picture that looked as good as it did fresh out of the box. Black levels lighten, colours wont be as saturated, it will look dimmer/darker and the image can potentially even look softer over time(etc), and it's only going to get worse and worse as time flies. So I figure, why even bother? We need a different and better solution! :P A 2025 42" Samsung 'QD'-OLED + TINK4K will be the best alternative to a WEGA 2005 CRT, and will be even better in ways thanks to it's perfect blacks, high brightness, progressive scan, the QD-colours will probably rival an aged CRT's, plus it's light, slim, new, readily available and has a black bezel(Vs Sony's silver boxy wega bezels) Problem is, there will be 9ms of latency from QD-OLED Game mode, another 2-3ms from TINK4K + GenLock, AND if you want to cut down 50% of oled motiom blur using TINK4K's internal BFI(Combined with it's HDR10 brightness boosting trick), that will add another 8.3ms of latency. That's a total of around 21ms of lag, which imo just doesn't feel as good as a lag free CRT, and in the end is just a bit too much latency for my liking...And there's still 50% motion blur, where as a CRT has none. Still, i think the 50% motion blur reduction makes 8-16 bit pixel art games look good enough in motion. It's basically cleaner plasma-tier motion. At this point, I'd only use TINK4K to upscale older 8-16 bit consoles, and for it's CRT filter settings, but not BFI simply due to the lag increase. Without BFI, you've got 11-12ms of lag total all together using original wired controllers, which is pretty solid, but with 100% motion blur unfortunately. Not the perfect CRT replacement, but it has it's advantages! And most definitely will improve in the future.
@BreakMan333 6 ай бұрын
38:18 is the sounds from the nightmares in Max Payne?
@targetrender9529 3 ай бұрын
Great channel.
@EposVox 3 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@awesomeferret 6 ай бұрын
I very happy that the myth of "upscaling can't add detail that wasn't already there" is finally dead. It was frustrating to grow up being one of the few people who actually thought for more than two seconds about what upscaling is, but it's cool to see advanced upscaling become more mainstream.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Upscaling can’t add detail that wasn’t already there. This is correct lol
@LKTheHorrorNerd 6 ай бұрын
Well… I literally watched the ENTIRE video, because well, you need that ad revenue money… and I gotta say, I am officially impressed with everything that’s been presented here and I’m personally excited to see that it can most likely work well with a Elgato 4K60 Pro (PCIe) capture card for when I stream my retro horror games of the past from the Atari days to the 2000s and the last 20-ish years of horror games. It’s gonna be exciting playing all those games on all my consoles and organizing them properly in my HorrorNerd Experience stream room with the new RetroTink 4K, once it’s available again since I didn’t know it was available and sold out instantly. And while there was some issues you pointed out that was definitely critical for me to know in terms of what kind of gear and setup I’d need to make it work well, this video has helped me develop a game plan (see what I did there?) for how to resolve those issues before I can stream such wonderful horror games of the past and review them all. Thanks for this great video and I look forward to new updates and details soon.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching the whole thing!
@LKTheHorrorNerd 6 ай бұрын
@@EposVox No PROBLEMO! Even with the lack of ADHD meds not being available (still fighting the system about trying to get it refilled), I thoroughly enjoyed this video and it got me prepared for what I need to do to make the setup better soon, so it’s really THANK YOU, because you just saved me a shitload of money to figure out how to get it all set up rather than spending money that I could’ve wasted but now I know exactly what I need and want in my setup. So thanks again!
@ClaytonMacleod 6 ай бұрын
It is possible your “degraded” VHS tapes simply don’t match the alignment of your current VHS machine. In SP mode this usually isn’t a huge issue, but LP mode and EP mode are worse in that respect, in that order. Alignment in EP mode is pretty important, whereas in SP mode you may never even notice the effects from minor misalignment. A cheap oscilloscope is all you need to properly adjust the head alignment to match that which is present on those old EP mode tapes that don’t seem to want to play back properly. Learning how to adjust them for best results is relatively simple, and KZfaq videos showing that are out there and easy to find. I don’t think tapes degrading is actually very common. It’s more that your current VCR is simply a different one from which the tapes were recorded on.
@bensoto4855 6 ай бұрын
If you could make another video about the HDR and SDR tone mapping for movies TV shows and somehow share this with AVS forums. Mike chi could actually sell a ton of units. If it does scaling well this would beeat paying 10k to 15k for some of the video processors that are sold today like Madvr And I'm telling you what there is a huge audience if this thing delivers
@maegnificant 6 ай бұрын
I wanna use this for my Nintendo Switch, so I can play at 1440p120hz with BFI on my OLED Monitor. Hope this will improve the picture over the Mclassic :D I saw in your videos that there are already Switch Profiles pre-installed on the device, are there any for this purpose? If not, how should I best upscale from 1080p to 1440p? Which method should I use? This video was awesome, thank you for all this information and great presentation! :)
@SquidHominid 6 ай бұрын
1080p HDMI to 1440p using the 'bilinear sharp' mode will work out of the box with just a resolution change. The included Nintendo Switch profiles are for pre-scaling the NSO retro gaming apps to use CRT filters with. There is an included generic Nintendo Switch profile, but it is unnecessary and was included by mistake. By me. 🤡
@b0nz0beavis 6 ай бұрын
The awesomeness of the content is almost enough to warrant forgiveness of the blasphemy. Long live the king! hahah
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Hah
@edewolf1827 6 ай бұрын
How do the upscaling results compare with software upscaling filters?
@vRyanXOXO 6 ай бұрын
i could only dream of affording this. i want it so badly lol
@jairomoraes4681 6 ай бұрын
Cara, meu objetivo pro ano que vem é uma 980ti e um crt! Jajá asisto esse video que deve ser otimo!
@Gr00t 5 ай бұрын
While this is an amazing device i just dont see the appeal personally. If i was going to play on a modern display id just emulate.
@brandonsteward9915 6 ай бұрын
THE BEST VIDEO I have seen on this product!!!!!!!!!!!!
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Thank you
@brandonsteward9915 6 ай бұрын
My pleasure bro! Greetings from dallas Fort Worth Texas!
@kamarrawlings6285 6 ай бұрын
So the retrotink 4k comes with a SD card with profiles and programs on it when buying it?
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Yes
@bytesaber 6 ай бұрын
Is it allowed, to make exemplary demonstrations as to why CRT is no longer the best method? People have worked hard to find their CRTs and have leaned on them as bragging rights and relief from fear of missing out. They have been told that CRTs will last for years to come and not wear out in their life. I don't think this excellent video is considerate to CRT owners who have been told they have something that cannot be better. I don't own any CRTs and have enjoyed the past 15+ years loving retro gaming on high definition displays with various adapters and scalers. So yeah, I love this. Great video!
@nioxic77 6 ай бұрын
One think i dont think you covered in this otherwise awesome video... how does it handle the 50 hz consoles from europe? we had crappy 50 hz CRT tv's here for some reason
@wobblingpixels3921 6 ай бұрын
quite well
@RobertPayne556 6 ай бұрын
Long live the big ahh screens. No scanlines here. 😊
@joshforsyth5710 Ай бұрын
To each his own. I will stick with my CRTs.
@PhoticSneezeOne 6 ай бұрын
Modern OLED 4K HDR displays are the death of CRT gaming. Every aspect of old CRTs can now be simulated to perfection.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Definitely not to “perfection”, but decently-well, yes
@WhatAboutZoidberg 6 ай бұрын
Harking on the HD Retrovision cables for being expensive boutique items while talking about an $800 scaler.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Wasn’t harking on them. Was pointing out that all of this stuff is expensive if you want the best. I love my HDRV cables.
@TheOnlyTwitchR6 6 ай бұрын
I Really Really REALLY want this, it's an absolutely amazing product. I already own the 5x Pro.. But I really want the HDMI 2.1 features that are lacking in the 4K I want 4k, 120hz, BFI, HDR, CRT filters all at the same time. All inputs on the rear would be a bonus Money is not a concern, a pro model would be an insta purchase.
@RainbowCornet 6 ай бұрын
Man, I want the opposite of this. Something that'll cleanly downscale an HDMI signal and send it to analogue for my CRT. Such products do exist, but they ruin image quality and have no customization options like cropping. It's frustrating because I'm sure it's totally possible to make something like that, but I guess there just isn't much of a market.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
RetroTINK 5X does that. I think My Life in Gaming did a video on it
@SquidHominid 6 ай бұрын
240p output from the RT4K using a custom modeline for input into a DAC connected to a CRT has been tested and shown to work, it's just officially unsupported due to the RT4K not being presently intended for downscaling. The UI also will get cut off due to the low resolution.
@RainbowCornet 6 ай бұрын
It can downscale, but you still need another device for converting the signal. It looked pretty clean in MLiG's video though so I guess I should find out what they used.@@EposVox
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Portta makes a clean/lagless converter
@Saturn2888 6 ай бұрын
I don't mind a $2K device that can handle HDMI 2.1 with Dolby Vision, so I can hookup my PC and my SHIELD.
@karaokehammick5215 6 ай бұрын
750$ for the retrotink 4k and 40$ for a CRT at a garage sale. Yeah CRTs is not dead.
@snowwsquire 5 ай бұрын
You don't need a retrotink 4k, there are cheaper scalers. This is just the ultimate one
@Fablemahn 22 күн бұрын
Come back in 10 years when that CRT dies. Retrotink 4k is for PRESERVATION
@justsayin4632 11 күн бұрын
@@FablemahnNot sure about “PRESERVATION”. The tink isn’t “preserving” anything. It just gives us all hope for a (now slightly less) scary future when the finite resource of CRT’s will be no more. But by then 32k will be the norm and the tink 4k will be obsolete by then. Hopefully there’ll be a Tink 32k to scale up our “retro” 4k consoles😂
@atomiswave1971 6 ай бұрын
Don't understand 600 options. Just auto to optimum based on the signal. Job done.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Because there’s no one size fits all for anything analog…
@atomiswave1971 6 ай бұрын
@@EposVox but why have to press phase? It might as well just do it until resolution change then do it again. My tv doesn't need to adjust screen size for resolution it adjusts by itself to fill the screen.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Because everyone’s consoles are going to have different phase settings, because there’s no one size fits all for analog
@omgitsbats Ай бұрын
No OLED in the world has the motion clarity or latency of a CRT. Even at 120hz, even with BFI, it's not there. OLED is close, but not there. Games also look wrong without CRT shaders or filters on the RetroTink. I have multiple CRTs and LG C3 OLED hooked up to a 16x16 matrix switcher. You can still visually see the latency difference. Mario jumps first on the CRT, and my OLED has less than 10ms latency according to a Mister Laggy. So no. No they aren't dead. It's hyperbole to get clicks.
@scotter140 6 ай бұрын
Dang, the retrotink 4K is sexyyy
@jesseslack2089 6 ай бұрын
I would get one just for my VHS's but 750 American is WAY too much for this!
@sb6482 6 ай бұрын
“dont need a crt” lol. we all know every oled tv adds lag and always will. i will continue with OG and my 20M4U and be so smug that you can try and imitate but it will never be the real thing
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Sure but OLEDs have already gotten (and will continue to improve) so low that 99.99% of people won’t feel it or be affected in a meaningful way. Most people aren’t pro melee players
@targetrender9529 3 ай бұрын
You sound butthurt.
@wolf314v 6 ай бұрын
CRT's dead... NAH!!! Not today!
@ScyrousFX 6 ай бұрын
What's up with your camera footage? You seem to be recording at a very high ISO setting, or you're adding digital grain in post to give the footage some artistic flair. Either way, you'll want to minimize that sort of grain/noise when uploading content to KZfaq. Its compression isn't the greatest in the first place, and having it spend some of that limited bitrate budget on grain/noise is a big waste!
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
It compresses fine at 4K. It’s part of the carefully crafted style. My whole channel is dedicated to video quality analysis and encoding, I’m aware of the possible consequences, thanks!
@RR-gx4ec 6 ай бұрын
Considering the high amount of spatial detail, it's weird that you didn't plead for your viewers to watch this video in 1440p or higher.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
I find those reminders annoying and redundant given the subjects most of the time. People who can and are going to watch in 4K usually don’t need reminded
@BOXING_LOUNGE 6 ай бұрын
Ive been using the mclassic+4KGP combo for just over a year with the ps3 🔥
@Benwahwah 5 ай бұрын
I just can't get past the price tag! $750 seems absolutely insane to me. As sad as it is, I guess I am destined to wait for a significant price drop, or a Chinese Clone on AliExpress to appear...
@EposVox 5 ай бұрын
Why use a crappy clone that has poor ethics and won’t do anything this will, when you can just buy a cheaper scaler from the people who design them? Why does everyone leap to buying literal ewaste instead of just budgeting appropriately
@mcdonkey500 4 ай бұрын
yeah $750 is absurd. At that point just play on an emulator if you want 4k.
@tonibahloni920 6 ай бұрын
What about Mister?
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Works great with the RT4K, too! Though some cores are still being updated to best support Direct Video to it
6 ай бұрын
Ok, so let’s say you have $750 to spend: retrotink4k or a Sony Pvm monitor?
@SquidHominid 6 ай бұрын
RetroTINK 4K. Easy. Way more versatile than a PVM. Coming from someone who owns both.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Agreed
@PLEYOR 6 ай бұрын
What is the game at 19:11?
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
King of Demons, SNES
@segafrog 6 ай бұрын
everybody hertz
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Everybody cries
@meteor1522 6 ай бұрын
😂 far from truth..first of all Retrothink 4k is $750 that price alone makes the video title instantly invalid.secondly, the main advantage of this device is how it handles lag and latency,in terms of actual visual look,it still can’t match the natural look of a CRT.even on an OLED with black frame insertion. It’s really not made for gamers,but for professional content creators.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
It’s literally not made for content creators at all. Its primary advantages are all just for playing.
@ichigen511 6 ай бұрын
Came to see how this thing emulates scanlines like on a 15KHz monitor but didn't see any. Disappointed. :( Giuess my Sony PVM is still king even though the thumbnail/clickbait said CRTs are dead. LOL. Edit: I know I come off as a dick but I guess what I was hoping to see was an image AT LEAST as good as seeing my Super Nintendo with SCART hooked up to my 15KHz Sony PVM and nothing you showed me comes even close. I'll stick with my oldschool setup. Furthermore I can't stand the idea of playing oldschool 3:4 consoles on a widescreen HDTV. No thanks.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
I showed some of the scanlines emulation stuff. It just doesn’t compress well or convey well over video.
@johnnovak1979 4 ай бұрын
Sadly, this is not proper CRT emulation and is lightyears behind current state-of-the-art CRT shaders that run on GPUs. This is basically the simplistic late 90s/early 2000s scanline dimming plus mask method.
@EposVox 4 ай бұрын
Sure, it’s a scaler, not a GPU. That being said, I’ve yet to experience a CRT shader that I’d actually want to keep on my gameplay; I’ve been unimpressed by most. If you have any suggestions for your preferred ones and what context you use them in, I’d love to hear!
@Saturn2888 6 ай бұрын
Fomo. There's no way the second run is gonna stay in stock either now :p
@awesomeferret 6 ай бұрын
I wonder if it simulates the effect of double images and extreme interlacing artifacts that are seen when gaming at lower framerates (a frustratingly little-talked about yet major flaw with CRT tech). I wouldn't want it to obviously. It's so annoying seeing two of everything in 30 fps games, so that's part of the "authentic experience" that I can skip. It's mind blowing that so many people claim that CRTs are "high refresh rate" when they effectively have way more ghosting than even many truly terrible LCDs IN MANY CASES (not all, calm down). This is impossible to deny, yet many KZfaqrs do so as a normal rule. The heck??? Everyone forgets about phosphor trailing too (the thing that makes your CRT have much more smearing than your 15 year old LCD) when displaying moving white text or images on a black background).
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
CRTs do not have that kind of smearing, at all, unless it’s a severely burned out tube. This is not correct. I have like 50 tubes at this point, most of them cheap consumer crap, and between them and having used CRTs since birth, I’ve never seen this. Motion clarity is very high on a CRT. It’s inherent to how the lines are drawn.
@3volver 6 ай бұрын
Sponsored by Cheez-It
@MrArthegor 5 ай бұрын
Honestly I don’t see the point for this product. If you goal is to play on modern TV with scanline you already emulate a big part of the setup so why just don’t go with full emulation and have the best quality possible (a scaler is limited to this input resolution, with an emulator you can run the game with higher resolution internally and have a better quality picture) In other hand if the goal is authenticity a crt is just a part of setup by default. Even a Mister connected to a crt with original controller give better authenticity result for my point of view compared to original hardware with upscaler.
@saricubra2867 5 ай бұрын
Honestly, i find CRT TVs pretty overrated. They are so huge, weight a lot and isn't worth it compared to a PC CRT monitor that looks lightyears better with a lower weight and size, way more versatile for anything. By the way, i have a 32 inch Vega CRT TV with a Gamecube and Wii connected to it. CRT TVs also suffer from color aberration problems due to flawed electron guns, i found a Samsung Syncmaster 19inch CRT monitor from 2002, 10 years without usage but it's sharper than other CRT monitors that i watched from KZfaq, the colors are amazing as well, OLED-like (minus the huge dynamic range thanks to brightness and pure blacks).
@MrArthegor 5 ай бұрын
@@saricubra2867 It really depends on what system you going to play and what authenticity you want to achieve. PC CRT can be good in quality picture, but typical PC CRT have minimum 31kHz of horizontal frequency so only 480p and up can be displayed. For most GameCube NTSC game (PAL game tend to propose PAL 60i and no progressive in alternate video menu compared to their NTSC counterpart) and Wii game it's not an issue but for anything 5 gens and below (with inclusion of PS2), 240p and 480i is the norm and without à device like an GBS-Control it cannot be displayed on a PC CRT. In authenticity point of view, it really what you want to achieve. If you want play a console game like game creator have viewed them, A PC CRT or PVM/BVM is indicated because game designer have designed the game in PC CRT and review/ajust them in professional video monitor. In contratio, if you want to play a console game like consumer in this era, a consumer CRT is the best (no need to have a big screen, a 14/20 inch CRT is the most common size back in time, larger CRT have been introduced lately). Even a PVM/BVM is no authentic in this point of view because nobody in consumer land have the finance for acquire one of them back in the day (like today, I don't know anybody who play on this PS5 with a BVM Trimaster EL OLED than cost nearly 40000 $). RGB isn't a thing in many country back in the day and the best quality for many was Y/C (I'm French so in my country SCART was norm but even with that most of us only have use composite with SCART adapter for console game).
@alessandrosurdo2870 4 ай бұрын
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@terrylyn Ай бұрын
Calling it 4k and then crippling the entire device by limiting it to 60 fps because of 10 year old hdmi 2.0 standard... I would not call it a "lifetime device" or whatever if it's already outdated on launch.
@EposVox Ай бұрын
lol? “Calling it 4K” it IS 4K
@terrylyn Ай бұрын
@@EposVox HDMI 2.0 standard was released in 2013, it doesn't support anything newer. Refresh rates above 60 hz will have dropped frames in 4k.
@terrylyn Ай бұрын
@@EposVox "In the CRT era, refresh rates ranged from 50 to 160 Hz. Some displays could barely do 65, high-end Mitsubishi and Sony tubes could run 120+; most people used 70-100 Hz.", so definitely it won't replace CRTs, at least if you want to have integer scaling at the same time in 4k.
@EposVox Ай бұрын
@@terrylyn You're describing CRT PC Monitors, not televisions which ALWAYS capped out at NTSC 60Hz. For game consoles (the primary use case of this) they never went above 60Hz. So for retro PC enthusiasts hoping to get 70/75Hz DOS scaled to 4K70 or Windows XP 120Hz era gaming, sure that's not compatible, but this is primarily built for game consoles and NTSC signals where nothing you're saying applies.
@Ironman-mg3ud 7 күн бұрын
Sorry, Crt is still the best option
@armdrk3233 6 ай бұрын
Not when it’s $750
@Wobble2007 6 ай бұрын
It amuses me that an £8 SLG will get you more authentic looking scanlines (both horizontal & vertical) than a device that cost hundreds.
@jakesmith5278 6 ай бұрын
I might get a little concern when this thing is sold for 40 bucks or less.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
That’s likely never going to happen
@DyceFreak 6 ай бұрын
RetroTink is great, but you clearly don't understand the advantage of CRT's refreshing the whole image at once instead of pixel by pixel if you think CRT's are dead.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
I very clearly understand the advantages of CRTs, as I’ve been teaching them for years now. CRTs don’t even “refresh the image all at once” anyway. It does so line by line.
@TheBroz 6 ай бұрын
@DyceFreak Considering how ridiculously patronising you are, making a statement like ‘CRT Refreshing the whole image at once’ Is absolute comedy gold. Shine on you fool.
@MaikiDiMaik 6 ай бұрын
jesus just emulate already. All of this just better with no hardware setup in like 5 minutes
@SquidHominid 6 ай бұрын
Not everyone wants to use emulators. To some people, even if it's a negligible difference, the idea of playing on real hardware has intrinsic value. Not to mention that devices like this have use outside of retro games - the RetroTINK-5X's time base correction feature makes it an actually decent method for digitizing VHS tapes. Not to mention, the pursuit of perfection on real hardware is why we've discovered things like the flawed color output in the PC Engine / TurboGrafx-16. Someday, all the CRTs and all the original hardware and all the cartridges and discs will be gone, and emulation will be better due to the work of preservationists, to which hardware like this is genuinely useful, and before now would have cost thousands of dollars at least.
@EposVox 6 ай бұрын
Yeah I mean, I DO emulate all the time, but it’s a completely different experience with different reasons for using it.
@Storminormin1 6 ай бұрын
Some of us prefer different things. Shocking.
@KordanorsGamingLair 6 ай бұрын
Emulated games oftentimes just run much worse or have glitches. Dosbox being a great example. Unless you go hardware emulation for example (FPGA). But that aint cheap either and has its limits to early 90s hardware.
@anim8rjb 6 ай бұрын
@@Storminormin1 there are always these 'just emulate, lul' comments on any tink video.
@zombiekilldemon 6 ай бұрын
Can it passthrough 3D? I ask because I use my PS3 with my 3D 4K LG to watch 3D movies and I don't want to have to unplug my PS3 from the Tink4K every time I want to watch a 3D movie.
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