Thanks Neil.. it is rare I stand above anyone being a short bugga

Well you know me and numbers… Count Houdini!

Well that is another consideration I did not know of. Thanks for sharing Rich.

There are many more Bill and maybe I will do a follow up video on how the Waterline scale came about after a huge mess of scales for battleships back in the late 60’s and early 70’s.

Or a book of jokes!

Yes I am aware of this travesty as well. I have made tools for both and they are the same kit… somehow the Movie version was made out to be bigger than the real pirate version.. that’s Disney for you!

I discussed this on my video of the new German reboxing of Heller kits in smaller boxes, yet it was the same kit as Hellers larger, looking more value for money box. Someone knew the answer and it had to do with standard size boxes and shipping rates… but this only effected big ship kits.

Yes they were box scale in inches, then rounded out to the old 1:96 scale

Good on you Ben

Yes I remember those. Base 12 has a lot going for it, as long as you can stay in that system.

I did try to keep it simple… but yes numbers do get messy

One ruler to rule them all!

Revell does have a 22 inch version of the Constitution. Which sometimes has been reboxed as 1/146 scale. Best get the oldest version of the kit that you can find with the “22 inches” listed on the box. It is actually 1/167 scale but a decent size kit. www.scalemates.com/kits/revell-05600-uss-constitution--230831

If it looks right to you, that is all that matters matey

On my… that’s what she said?

Thanks Rick… I had that kit and know it is huge. Apparently you need to strengthen the wings otherwise they are prone to collapsing after time sitting in the display cabinet. Not a subject on my radar these days, one reason why I sold on my kit. Now if you had a Matchbox 1/72 Dornier Do G1 flying boat… then I would be salivating.

Thanks very much for taking the time in your busy day for the inflammation on the zeppelin staaken and yes I do have a matchbox dornier g-1 in my stash. Would love to get a dornier 26 flying boat for the stash as well,but find it very expensive, the misses says I get prize for my birthday in April so I plan to get one then. Thanks again Harry for your input and I should have figured you had dealt with this big bi-plane before, Keep up the good work and look forward to your next post. Rick.

LOL good on you matey

Yes I look forward to making all the scratch changes needed on my Thermopylae kit one day… but at least its pretty much the correct scale though.

Hi Harry, if your a stickler for authenticity, you'd have to create a complete new hull - the hull lines of the Cutty Sark & Thermopylae were completely different in every way.

Oh dear is it that bad… well I can 3D print a better hull if I have the plans

Very sorry Harry, I wouldn't bother with the kit. The hull is of the Cutty Sark as well as the masts AND the yards etc. Revell also made a mess of the deck mouldings to make it look like Thermopylae layout, but even that is a lash up, when you look at correct plans. These vessels were completely different, frankly I'd bin the model - very sorry once again. It's a pity there are no proper kits out there of this famous clipper.

Glad you enjoyed it matey

Manufactures do it more than you might realise. Rather than completely redesign for a kit with limited potential sales, ship kits do not generally sell in the millions like aircraft and armour, they just reuse and cannibalise what they have to make something new. Of course now with CAD it is a lot easier, faster, and less costly, to let the computer spit out a new design. Still the number crunchers will look at cost to create compared to the demographic who might buy. This is why we get few new ship models.

They are a bit loose with the facts but this one takes the cake

​@@HarryHoudiniModelsit's a very old cake though Harry....

True however Monogram listed those kits as 1/225 scale which is not far off. Revell must have surely known this when they reboxed them?

Good on you Basil, and remember to floss

Well after wasting a week trying to sort this issue out, it was all I had to show for this weeks video. I am glad you found it interesting.

That would be an interesting topic to research but not in my naval theme these days

@@HarryHoudiniModels Yeah, just scale weirdness. Dig the ships!

Good idea.. I will scale everything to my height from now on… there are going to be big changes down here! lol

@@HarryHoudiniModels LOL! I was the closest person to hand. The extras and stuntmen did of course vary in height. Model cars are another example. 1/18 is a popular 'scale' for diecast, but, many are scaled to fit a standard box. Only the high end ones are true to scale.

It’s all marketing BS to suck you into buying the kit.

Thanks George, I wasn’t sure if anyone would be interested, but it was all I had to say for last weeks work in the hobby room.

As long as it looks good to you in the display cabinet, that is all that counts.

They certainly assumed we would be too stupid to notice. Apparently it is a rebox of an old Monogram kit which was 1/225, so they knew what scale it was but tried to BS us.

Yes that is the trick. Find something you can measure that won’t vary and use that as your yardstick to work out the scale. I haven’t heard of 54mm scale. I knew of inch scale, which is 50.82mm to 6 foot

​​@@HarryHoudiniModels here's an old Hinchliffe 54mm being rescued from a horrible paint job..... Or there would have been but adding a picture seems beyond the app 😅 But anyway, was a classic metal figure scale in the UK

Luckily now with 3D printing you can have any scale you want.. just slice the little buggas to your needs.

I have noticed scalemates add my review videos and scales change when I complain about them… I am an influencer! LOL

Glad you liked it John

The squeak well?

Yes it is. Although I did give the inch lengths for the original kits, and explained the inch/foot scales of 1/72 and 1/144 in imperial measures.

I had to use my abacus Thomas.

I speak with an Aussie accent so here it is pronounced “flucking Rev All mate”

F.cken oath ,ey@@HarryHoudiniModels

Yes I have come upon these two in my Rat Harp rigging tool orders. Same dimensions but again labeled in absurdly different scales.

Ah so just as I said in my video then?

@@HarryHoudiniModels Sorry, I must have missed that bit were you said scale didn't really matter in those days.

I have reviewed a few Heller ships on my channel. The ones I have look good in the box, and by all accounts go together well.

Yes it all started out as a free for all with scales back in the 50’s

I know of Aircraft in 1/50 scale reboxed as 1:48, but the worst is old HO scale armour (1/87) palmed off as 1/72.. every figure is a little person.

@@HarryHoudiniModelsTransposition typo there, HO is 1/87, aka 3.5mm/foot. One of the several flavors of O scale is 7mm/foot, which is where HO, half-o, comes from. While we're at it, the British train scale of OO is 4mm/foot; 1/76 scale is 4mm/foot, almost but not quite 1/72 scale's, 6ft/inch, or 4.23mm/foot.

@@HarryHoudiniModelsHO is 1/87 (except in Japan). Did you mean the old Matchbox kits? They are in OO.

@@HarryHoudiniModels It was always a problem dealing with the Small armour scale as they could be HO (1/87), OO (1/76) or 1/72... But they could all be the same physical size but different manufactures claimed they were different scales depending on the market.. or be Airfix and do them all.. (I'm sure I remember 1/87 scale Airfix in the 70's but I could be wrong!!) I have the Constitution, Alexander von Humboldt, from Revell, and the Passat (2 of them), Amphitrite and Cape Horn ( a heller fantasy based on the Preussen) from Heller, all supposedly 1/150. I'm now wondering what scale they really are as there all from the late 60's early 70's moulds, except for the Alexander von Humboldt which is a 90s moulding, but I don't know if that ones based of an earlier one. As well as 3 1/144 HMCS Snowberry, 2 1/144 HMS Buttercups , 5 1/146 Trawlers. That's what happens when you start building an N Gauge Port railway and need some model ships to fill the scene!!!

@@HarryHoudiniModelsHO (half O gauge) in trains is also wrong the wheels are larger than they should be but it looks like a train and runs like one it was never meant to to be accurate.

Well it is what you are used to… but base 10 for all measurements is far easier once you get used to it believe me.. I have lived under both systems. However I still prefer 100 mph and 100 degrees… they make sense as numbers to describe things. 161 kph and 37.8.C just don’t have the same commanding ring to them.

They all do it matey… even your beloved Tamiya has reboxed kits from Italeri, and still demands high prices so old and very average kits.

@@HarryHoudiniModels In Tamiya's defense, they at least try to tidy up those Italeri molds and replace those plastic-eating vinyl tires. But that's not enough to justify the premium they add.

Airfix and Heller sort of hover around 1/150 give or take 10%. The thing is 70 years ago when the moulds were tooled, as I said in the video, they just found a wood model about the right size to fit in a standard box and measured the dimension off it without any consideration to scale. One exception was the Wasa. When the Swedes refloated her Airfix sent over a boffin with a tape measure and a camera. So that kit is actually scale accurate.

I don’t think shipwrights from half a millennium ago used GDT

The moulds for most of these kits were made 70 years ago before CAD. And they just measured and cast off wood kits to get a product made quickly and affordably. These days with many ships having been scanned and measured accurately, like the Wasa and Victory, that data could be used in a computer to spit out an exact scale model.