@@edelweys I've owned this grinder for a few months now. After 2 weeks of use I opened it up to measure the retained grinds. I was shocked, it was literally dust, about .2 of a gram retained. I was also skeptical but if you use the RDT method you will get next to no retention. I don't have to purge anything the following day, if the grinder really retained a substantial amount of grinds your first shot in the morning would run fast and it doesn't. I only have to make minor adjustments every few days because the coffee slowly loses freshness but even then it's very minor adjustments every 4 or 5 days. Very impressed with this grinder and I've owned many! Hahaha

@@edelweys hmm that's odd, maybe too much static? I did notice when I didn't add 3 sprays of water it would retain about .3-.4 of a gram. Are you using RDT? Because that made all the difference for me. I'm curious because I'm really enjoying this grinder and the shots I'm getting from it. My other grinders would burn through beans like crazy, either through dialing in or morning purges.

@@edelweys that is so odd, I actually just opened my grinder today for the 2nd time since I bought it. I swept out the whole grinder and it had less than .2 of a gram. 7 grams of retained grinds is really excessive, my vtitan 64 at most would retain 4 grams. I use a large variety of beans from commercial Italian style roasts to single origin. I should have documented my cleaning to show you. The largest amount retained was near the shoot and the blade but even then it was only .1 and the other .1 was around the burr carrier and some coffee dust on the walls. I just don't see how your grinder could retain that much?? You would notice massive inconsistencies between shots and your morning shot would run super fast if you didn't run beans through to purge. How is your first shot after letting the grinder sit for a few hours or days?

@@edelweys not that this will make a massive difference but using the black plastic cup ceado provided really helps if you place it in the bellow, it'll create a good seal and you'll get a stronger push of air through the grinder.

@@edelweys let me know how your shots compare day to day, I'm very curious. Good luck and keep me in the loop Andreas!

Hey MB, Thanks for the comment and feedback on your E5SD! Marc

Bob M Well thanks! Thought I’d been doing good stuff for awhile but appreciate the comment! Marc

Hi N, Good to be back! I never left, just got involved in some other major projects. Marc

One note I did want to make, my results are based on using 3 sprays of water during the RDT process. I ran a couple tests without using it and found between .4 - .6 of a gram of retention. It appears that the static produced without it does cause a bit of retention so make sure to include RDT to your workflow.

Hi CP, I apologize for taking a few days to respond to your comment. Sharing your experience, impressions, results is greatly appreciated! Thanks for confirming my demo. As you mentioned in your other comment using RDT is critical to getting the most out of this grinder! Marc

Hey waoneill, Lol! Thanks for the comment. Upgraditis is a common aliment for espresso hobbyist. Sorry (not sorry) I've given you the bug. Marc

Hey jay, Thanks for the comment. Flat burrs are preferred by most for high-end espresso grinding. The Ceado grinders are a big level up. Some other things to consider comparing the Niche to Ceado... The Niche runs the full range of grind size from espresso to drip and beyond in about a 180 degree turn of the adjustment. It's really difficult to be precise when dialing in espresso packing all that range into a half turn! With the precision of the Ceado grind adjustment it's much easier to dial in grind size and get what you want out of an extraction. The Ceado is prosumer/commercial level build quality with commercial motor, precision machining and quality fasteners used in construction. The Ceado E5SD model has burrs treated to prevent corrosion so no problem using RDT. Marc

Hi CNW, Thanks for the comment! Marc

Hi Ardy, Thanks for the comment and wishes! We are doing well hope you are too. Marc

Hi Mitch, Thanks for the comment and question. The bigger burrs in the E37SD produce a slightly higher grind quality but the 64mm burrs in the E5SD do an excellent job. A big difference is the Quick Set gear on the E37SD. It allows for more precision and if you ever grind for other brew methods the release on the gear makes macro grind size changes much easier. Hope that helps! Marc

Hi TYB, Thanks for the comment. Here's a link to our support wiki for the Expobar Office Control. Good chance you will find what you are looking there. More video, diagrams, troubleshooting and maintenance info: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Expobar_Office_Control Marc

Hi OB, Glad you enjoyed it and thank you for your comment! Marc

Hi ms, Eureka Atom is a very nice grinder too. Marc

Hi Chris, Thanks for the question/request. I'll try and do that. In the meantime I'll say the E5SD beats the standard E37S. The E5P and and E6P are not low retention grinders. Marc

Hi r, Thanks for the question. At this time we do not.

Hi Jan, You are welcome and thanks for your feedback. In general, flat burrs produce a more consistent particle size and are preferred over conical for espresso grinding. It's possible the Sette has a wider range of particle sizes in the ground coffee. To the eye it may appear coarser but in reality there are more particles of a finer size in the mix and they're slowing down the extraction. Nailing the near zero retention requires the RDT spraying of beans prior to grinding. Assume you are doing that for your first coffee of the day. RDT helps control static in the grounds and reduce retention. Perhaps things are just a little drier with that first shot. Burr seasoning results in a coating of coffee oils on burrs and internal components which help reduce retention so you may see improvements as they season. I do not think you are doing anything wrong. Perhaps you can try a little extra spraying of beans prior to first grind of the day. Hope that helps! Marc

Mickey Damani Thanks for the kind comment. Fairly certain E5SD will not be upgradable to the Quick Set Gear. It’s a whole different setup up top compared to E37SD which does have it. I’m looking forward to producing new vids as well. Starting a week off tomorrow but have one in the can featuring an exciting new machine with soft pre-infusion and more unheard of features in dual boiler PID machine at incredible price point! We’ve been very involved in the machine development and anticipate it rocking the espresso world! Marc

Whole Latte Love can’t wait to check it out!

Hi P, Thanks for the question. Choosing between the E5P and the 270Wi depends on how you are likely to use it. Dollar for dollar the E5P is IMO the best value in a larger burr machine grade grinder. It's prosumer level appropriate for mid to high level home use and in lower volume commercial settings. Very solid build that will serve for many years. It's totally on demand/manual so if you are the type which weighs doses that adds another step. The Sette 270Wi is what I consider a high-end appliance grade product. It has a lot of plastic used in construction. But it's almost magical in weight based grinding, It's fast and a good deal louder than the E5P. If you dose by weight you will definitely appreciate not even having to think about it. If you use other brew methods you can quickly adjust grind size for those and easily get back to your espresso setting. Be aware the Sette does produce more fines at coarser grind settings. That can be an issue for some and no big deal for others. The E5P is an espresso specialist. Not a grinder I'd recommend for multi-purpose grinding. While the Sette is appliance grade there is some peace of mind with Baratza's fixed price repair program. Hope that helps on the grinders. The Appartamento has standard E61 pre-infusion which drops some water onto the coffee prior to reaching full brew pressure. Marc

Hi MG, Thanks for the questions and comments! In the video when I opened the E5SD to show that extra ring which decreases the volume of the grinding chamber there was no evidence of any internal retention beyond the tiny amount accumulated around the heads of the burr mounting screws. I had ground in excess of 20 doses prior to opening. In past videos I have done what you mentioned - disassemble, clean out any remaining grinds and weigh. With the E5SD there was nothing. The chamber was clear. I'm not quite sure where you are coming up with a 9.5mm difference. The E5SD and E37SD grinding chambers are not the same size. I agree there is a large price difference between the P and SD models. Ceado sets pricing. Beyond the single dosing tools and grinding chamber spacer there are differences in electronics as well. The P has a very simple on/off pulse switch while the SD has timing to 30 seconds, power on indication with the illuminated logo, flash after 30 seconds with ability to extend cycle. I have no idea how Ceado arrives at pricing but can guess the SD is a lower sales volume product so new custom parts development/production cost are spread over fewer units. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the detailed response as always Mark. Just to clarify the 9.5 mm comes from the difference in burr size between the two. (83-64)/2 = 9.5 mm should be the radial distance difference from burr outer diameter to chute. Makes sense about the lower volume possibly driving the price higher too. Thanks again!

Hi KB, Thanks for the question. The most popular grinder to pair with the Gaggia Classic Pro is the Baratza Sette 270: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-sette-270-conical-burr-grinder (so popular it's out of stock at the moment :() Should be back in soon. The 270 blows away the SGP in ability to dial in a shot, grinding speed, dose to dose weight consistency and quality of grind. It costs more of course but worth it IMO. Marc

Hi s, Thanks for the comment. You'll find those mounting screws in just about every grinders with flat burrs. Does seem strange at first but they do not interfere or change grind quality as they are below the plane of the burr's cutting edges. Marc

Hi MK, Thanks for the question. No. The E5SD is designed to grind into a dosing cup. The hook that holds the cup is not adjustable to hold a PF. Marc

Hi BH, Sorry there is not :(. Marc

Hi Todd, Thanks for the question. Well, I firmly believe bigger burrs produce a better grind. But If you are happy with the grind results from the 64mm burrs in your Titan you should be fine with results from the 64mm burrs in the E5SD. If using in a busy commercial setting I'd go with the E37SD for sure. Also E37SD has Quick Set (worm gear) grind size adjust which can disengage for easy major changes in grind size for other brew methods. Marc

Hi DL, Thanks for the question. We typically have special offers on products during holidays but it's rare for me to know about them prior to release. Marc

you have to unscrew the dial off flip it and upside down put the screws back in. Sounds weird but if you do that you'll know what i mean. You'll then be able to use the dial to unscrew the brass burr adjustment thread to release the top burr. If you just use your hands on the brass thread you'll cut your hands like i did since the thread is very sharp.

Hi CP, Thanks for the kind comment and question. I have seen this on the E5SD. Not sure if it's a manufacturing issue but will forward your question to Ceado for comment. On the E5SD the back light only comes on when the motor is turned on. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for your response Mark! I was curious if you noticed it on multiple units or if it was just the odd one. Really appreciate your time and love the content!

Hi Dave, I have not done retention tests on E5P or E6P. But, I have opened plenty of them after grinding all the beans out. Based on experience with other grinders of similar design I estimate retention is 1.5 - 2.5g. A lot of flex in that number as bean type and setting of the static control flap play a role. Marc

Hi JB, Thanks for the question. I have yet to take delivery of a Ceado with the Opalglide burrs. Information I've received so far is they are purpose built for single dosing grinders with lower friction than standard burrs helping to improve the outgoing flow of ground coffee. Marc

Hi Ahmad, Thanks for the kind comment and question! In general timing is the same regardless of coffee dose weight so typically 20-30 seconds. Marc

Hi LK, First, congrats on your new 270 Wi. It's an excellent grinder. Retention depends on how you measure it. If your grinding all the beans out and have 1.5g left that would be very unusual. When I measure retention it's clean the grinder out. Load a known weight into the hopper and grind until nothing more comes out. Weight the output and subtract from the input. Sette grinders are typically ~.5g or less when measured using that technique. Marc

Hi Frank, Thanks for the request. Thing is there's essentially nothing to the maintenance. Very simple to get inside to clean if desired. Just keep turning to a coarser setting and the adjustment collar removes exposing the burr chamber. Be sure adjustment collar threads are very clean prior to putting things back together. When placing on adjustment collar spin counter clockwise first until you hear or feel threads drop into place before turning clockwise to engage. That prevents cross-threading. If you feel any resistance when turning clockwise stop, turn back out and retry. No real upgrades to the E5SD other than mounting the hopper. By the way Ceado not exactly happy with me for showing that in the video! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage I can only turn the adjustment collar for a short distance and then it stops around the 5.75 mark on the collar. I can send photo if necessary. Ceado must think it's customers are morons telling them they must send the grinder back to them for cleaning, upgrades, etc I want to install the SSP burrs and was told by one of your service techs it is possible =-

@@Wholelattelovepage I was able tgo get the burrs installed but am having problems gettting them properly calibrated. After following instructions to calibrate all I get is a very coarse grind. Would be nice if you could call me.

Hi RL, Thanks for the question. Depends on how particular you are. IMO flat burr espresso focused grinders tend to produce slightly more fines at coarser grind settings. Marc

Hi ML, Let me try and help... Bottomless PF: Sounds like you need to adjust the portafilter hook. There's a screw below the PF support fork. Loosen that, adjust to your PF height and tighten. Internal lubrication: There is a lubricant applied to threads of the grind size adjustment mechanism during manufacture. If you open the grinder and it's excessive you can remove with a cloth etc. Retention: Like other similar grinders the E6P is not considered an extra low retention grinder. 7g is more than usual - see next comment. Static control flap: Think this may be the source of your issues. Remove the grind delivery chute assembly. It's held on by 4 screws. 2 up top and 2 adjacent to the delivery chute. Once off you will see a small flexible metal flap held in place by a single screw. Remove the flap to check for any compressed coffee blocking the chute. This area can get clogged with coffee if you happened to be grinding very fine in combination with the flap not being adjusted properly and not allowing coffee to flow out of the grinding chamber. Clear any compacted coffee from the are behind the flap. Re-attach the flap and give it a slight bend to allow coffee to flow more freely out of the grinding chamber. Clearing compacted coffee and giving the flap more of a bend out should take care of your problem. Marc

Hey ZR, Thanks for the question. Not much difference in functionality. Both have 2 timed presets and manual dosing, 64mm burrs and 300 watt motors. While both are considered espresso specialist grinders the E37J is a bit more specialized to espresso. The E37J lever for grind size adjustment stays focused in a narrow range while the adjustment collar of the E6P rotates continuously so you can get out to grind sizes for other brew methods more easily. The E37J is a "beefier" build. It's heavier with no plastic used in construction. Very little plastic on the E6P but there is a bit on the display/control housing and the cover of the grind adjustment ring. Marc

Hi DC, That would be nice! Unfortunately not an option at this point. Marc

Hi TQ, Thanks for the question. I've used both and prefer the Ceado. It has a bit less grind retention. I like the horizontal control surface of the Ceado to the PID like control orientated on a vertical. Also a little easier to get into the grinding chamber of the Ceado when needed. It's worth the extra $100. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the prompt reply!

Hi Derek, Thanks for the question. The bellows is not sold individually. There are other modifications from E5P to E5SD that make the bellows workable. Burr upgrade, reduction of grinding chamber size and bellows mounting collar. Marc

Hi Lorenzo, Thanks for the question. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison of the above grinders with current pricing: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=NjYxNTk2NTk1ODE5OCwxNTQ1OTUxMDE5MDY3LDE1NDU5NzU4MjQ0NDM Good info there and check out user reviews. My 2 cents: The E37J is the best build of the bunch. It's rock solid. The Ceados key components are machined. Some parts of the Eureka are forged. Machined parts are higher quality and the Ceado uses higher quality hardware. I prefer the grind distribution out of the Ceados over the Eureka. All three have similar grind quality with 64 or 65mm burrs. I love the interface of the Eureka. Very easy to use. Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Appreciate your answer, thank you Marc!

If you can afford the one with the worm drive i think those are really nice and probably easy to dial in due to the fine adjustments the worm drive provides compared to the lever.

Hi naomi, I recall talking to you. Any chance you are using beans with an oily surface sheen? Marc

Whole Latte Love I use medium roast only

Hey gq, They do well at slightly coarser grind size. But depends on how particular you are. Grinders with large flat burrs may produce a few more fines at coarser sizes. Marc

Hi ML, Thanks for the question. Both are 64mm flat burr grinders with similar motors. E37J can be opened up easily without loss of grind setting. Also has a PF activated switch to start grinding. If you like those features then it could be worth the price difference. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison with current pricing: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=MTU0NTk3NTcyNjEzOSwxNTQ1OTUxMDE5MDY3 Hope that helps! Marc

Hi Acorn. Thanks for the question. Yes, E5P change is for pulse switch on side. New feature for E6P is touch screen display showing actual time of grinding. Previous E6P had no time display. Marc

Hi Richard, Thanks for the comment. IMO the E5P is a best value in a true machine grade 64mm burr grinder. And it was just updated to the E5Pro which adds a portafilter activated switch to start/stop grinding: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e5-pro-espresso-grinder The E5SD single dosing grinder is a jump in price. Some additional features include a burr upgrade. They are anti-oxidant to prevent any problem from moisture (RDT) that's part of the single dose grind process. The grinding chamber has additional component to decrease its internal volume. Beyond that are other parts like the bellows, dosing funnel, RDT cup and grinds cup. Marc

Hey Rob, no electronic issues here.

I Hope thanks for the question. First, 0 on the ring might not be the finest setting. Could be but maybe not. You can test by running the grinder with no beans in and then adjusting finer until you hear the burrs touch and then quickly back off to coarser until sound stops. That’s your finest grind setting. Don’t worry about the burrs briefly touching. Non cutting outer edge touches first so no harm. If you’re grinding at 1 setting now and went to .5 your grind would likely be fine enough to choke your machine - no flow from PF spouts. Burrs do age but not even close to the point where you’d run out of adjustment to finer. Everything will be “fine”! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Okay great, thank you so much for your response. One last question - I know it varies substantially depending on the roast of your beans....however, on average what is your typical grind setting range for these grinders?

Hi Dirk, Thanks for the question. It does seem like quite the jump! So one really big reason is the unit volumes for each model. Ceado had to create a number of unique parts with lower sales volume so per unit development and production costs are higher. Beyond the parts you mention there are specialized burrs to better deal with moisture used in RDT to get the most out of the SD model. Marc

Hi Miguel, Thanks for the comment and question. Here's a link to a side by side comparison of the E37J and Atom 65: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=MTU0NTk3NTgyNDQ0Myw0MjE2NDEzNTg1NDYy I think either is a good choice and produce a similar grind quality. The Ceado is a bit easier to open up. I prefer the interface of the Eureka. It's intuitive and user friendly. Beyond that it's a toss up. Marc

The Ceado is 1350 you could buy two Niche Zero grinders for that.

@@durkadur27 I agree

Hi Garnett, If there's a niche someone will fill it! @durkadur27. Yes you could. I'd argue it's fairly likely the Ceado has a useful life expectancy far more than double that of the Niche. Ceado 3 year warranty, Niche 1 year. That says a lot! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage I doubt I would have to replace the burrs on either machine in my lifetime. Niche compared to sette 270wi for $50 more you get a machine grade all metal single dose grinder. next step up is this Ceado and It's twice the size and twice the price and doesn't get simple things correct like the dosing cup. Warranty is never a deal breaker because even the cheapest alliances normally out last them.

Hi TW, Thanks for sharing your opinion. The E5 can grind coarse for other brew methods. Do understand that it's an espresso specialist and flat burr grinders tend to produce more fines at coarser grind settings. For most that's not an issue but can lead to muddier cups of press coffee. But that depends on what one is comparing against. I have spoken with Ceado and they are dead set against putting a hopper on the E5SD. In their mind the SD is a single doser and as you say hoppers should not be used to store beans. Marc

Hey dado, Regardless of coffee roast level you should be able to grind fine enough to choke your machine with the E5SD. Are you sure your burrs are really almost touching? The scales are just for reference and do not represent an actual grind size. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for your answer....yes they were almost touching, the retailer wanted to change the setting of the scale but it would not change the issue of the burrs. Finally I decided to give it back. I will look for another grinder which suits me more, because strangely I did not like also the work flow with it. Maybe the Eureka Mignon Single Dose or Libra or even the Turin DF83...will see...actually I would like to have something from Italy....many thanks!

Hi Diane, Thanks for the question. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison of the grinders: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=NDYzNzk3MTMxNjc5MCwxNTQ1OTUxMDE5MDY3 Notice the larger burrs and more powerful motor of the E6P. While both grinders are what I call machine grade the E6P is a notch or two above in quality with heavier components, more machined parts apposed to forged components and higher quality fasteners. In real world use the grind quality is better with the EPP due to larger burrs and lovely clump free distribution. It also grinds faster. Hope that helps! Marc

Hi LM, Sorry?

@@Wholelattelovepage When making a graph, it is mandatory to make the axis in the right way. I was just saying that the y axis it is a bit confusing and it hurts to see the horizontal line at 17.75 since you had 4 out of 5 18gr as result. It should have been at 18 and the zero point should have been either 0 or something more distant from 18 than 14. Anyway, I hope you are coming back strong with video Mark !_Missed u

Hi ML, Thanks for the question. Not the exact same result. The E5P cannot do zero retention single dose grinding. You will always end up with ~1-3g of coffee left in the chamber. E5SD has same form factor but a lot more going on. Burrs are different with an antioxidant coating to allow for use of RDT with no risk of burr corrosion. Grinding chamber is smaller to improve movement of grounds, includes tools like the bellows, RDT cup and sprayer, PF dosing funnel and grounds cup. Marc

Hi Adam, On single dose grinder you add the amount/weight of beans you want all at once. No need to repeat. Marc

Hey JT! Nice upgrade - a much higher-end build quality with the Ceado! Here's a video linked to a point showing how to remove the top burr on older and current E5SD grinders: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m6-AetKCqq2rhHU.html It's a little more involved in models with the black stopper under the adjustment ring. The adjustment ring must be removed then put a screw or 2 back into the gold colored burr carrier to turn it out. The SSP Red Speed burrs I have do not fit into the E5SD's top burr carrier. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for that video link Marc. Couldn’t find it. Ah… i don’t understand why they did that black stopper. Makes things more difficult. Would u recommend removing that black stopper? Maybe use something to cut it away or something.

Hi LB, You are welcome and thank you for the comment and question. Sorry for my delayed response - I've been on vaca and offline for a week. Yes, The grinds tray is easy removable. It just wedges under the front of the grinder. Marc

Hi Christopher, Thanks for the question. The Burrs in the E5SD have an antioxidant treatment so will to prevent rust/oxidation. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage will that coating last or will rust eventually happen? Does this model retain grind setting after you take apart to clean? Thanks Marc!

Hi CS, Thanks for the question. We've had the new version of the E5P for a couple of weeks. If you ordered this one: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e5p-electronic-coffee-grinder It's the new version with pulse button on side. If you'd like to double check contact customer service here: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks Marc! I should be receiving the E5P tomorrow, and I expect that it would be the new model. Really looking forward to using it!

Update: I received the Ceado E5P today, new model with the pulse button on the side. I absolutely love it! Many thanks to Marc and the WLL crew.

Hi Jake, Thanks for the question. The bellows is not available individually. Even if it was, it would not work well. E6 grinding chamber is larger, it has a static control flap after the grinding chamber and bellows would not fit properly in place of the hopper. Marc

Hi YL, Thanks for the question. If in your budget the Ceado E5SD is a good choice for multi-purpose grinding. As a single dosing grinder a number of benefits: 1. Extremely low retention so switching beans types is easy with no cross contamination. 2. Easy to make large grind size changes as no beans left between the burrs and very large adjustment collar for good precision. 3. Excellent Ceado build quality. It's a step up from Eureka grinders. Some do find it easier to use 2 dedicated grinders. Especially if you'll be leaving beans in the hopper. For a brew grinder at prosumer grade the Eureka Brew Pro (55mm) burr is very nice: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-brew-pro-coffee-grinder-in-white You could pair that with a Eureka Mignon Magnifico that's an espresso specialist: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-magnifico-coffee-grinder-in-ferrari-red Both Eureka grinders area available in a variety of colors and have a nearly identical form so would look nice nxt to each other. Another option for a multi-purpose grinder is the Eureka Mignon Perfetto: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-perfetto-16cr-grinder-in-matte-black the Perfetto shrinks the entire range of grind size adjustment to one 360 degree turn of a knob. With that it's more difficult to be extremely precise dialing in espresso grind size but it's doable. While I consider the Eureka grinders to be prosumer grade the Ceado grinders are a step above in build quality. Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Sir, thank you very much for your very comprehensive answer, I really appreciate it! Love your videos too!

Hi B, Thanks for the question. Ceado grinders are made near Venice, Italy. Marc

Hi 809, Thanks for the question. Ceado's E series grinders tend to produce a smoother/lower sound than grinders of similar size from other manufacturers. That said, with the E5SD's no hopper design it's a hair louder than their E series grinders with hoppers Mrc

Hi Vincent, I have not done a review of that product.

Hi GMV, Thanks for the question. There is no Ceado solution for doing that. Even if there were it's unlikely you'd get the same performance due to difference in grinding chamber. You'd also want to use RDT on the beans which would introduce a fair amount of moisture to grinding. Over time, that could cause oxidation of the E5P's burrs. Marc

Hi MS, Thanks for the question. If you note your grind setting on the dial before changing grind size it's very easy to move between espresso and V60 grind size. Since it's a single dosing grinder there's no coffee waste when moving from a coarser setting to a finer one. With non single dosing grinders you either have to grind all the beans out or have the grinder running when adjusting coarser to finer. Hope that helps! Marc

Hi Marc, first things first: outstandig fast reply time on such a big Channel. Thank u! I was asking because my Mignon has a pretty Messed Up dial and you cant Tell how often you turned it... so on these boys everything seems nicely calibrated. Then i guess its a pretty good catch for those who Love drinking both and want to rely on a established Brand whith local dealers, rather than e.g. On a Niche Zero. All the best from Germany and excuse my Englisch ;)

You caught me at the right time! Your English is awesome!!! Marc

Hi n, It has been awhile - great to be back! Marc

Hi Lk, Thanks for the question. If you want super accurate no hassle weight based dosing go for the 270 Wi - if that's you it's worth it. But, understand the difference in build quality between the two. Marc

Whole Latte Love I’m settling for the Baratza because of the accuracy and very very low retention also it’s easy to clean

LiLKev I wouldn’t consider it settling at all! Sounds like the right choice for you! Marc

Hi CM, Sorry for the delayed response - I've been offline for a week. Calibrating is straightforward. With all beans out and motor running continue adjusting to a finer setting until you hear the burrs just touch. You'll know it when that happens. No worries about the burrs touching the outer flat edges of the burrs are higher than the cutting edges so cutting edges do not touch. When you hear the noise back off until that sound stops and that's the "zero" grind setting. Marc

Hi Hope, Thanks for your question. Much depends on the beans, dose weight and other variables. I use the E6P quite often with a bunch of different roast levels and bean ages. Most all grinding is within a .75 range. Do keep in mind the numbers on the scale are reference. It's rare that zero on the scale of a grinder represents burrs touching. Compared to other grinders Ceado adjustment precision is fairly high. The threads of the adjustment collar are very fine. It's typical for lighter (especially fresh from) roast coffees initially grind finer and as they age dial in coarser. To directly answer your question yes your experience is typical. Marc

Hi OK, Thanks for the question. Most fully automatic machines we deal with are intended for home use so automatic cup feeders are not really a thing. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Big thanks for your answer .. However If there is a cup feeder .. I would be able to prepare my caffe by bluetooth and just go to the machine to pick it up .. but without the cup feeder I need to wait 1-2 min in front of the machine until it finished .. which means the bluetooth doesn't add a real value to the machine if I should be in front of it since I put the cup until it finish . Do you agree with me ?

Hi BBA, Thanks for the question. It's very easy! Just continue turning the grind size adjustment collar to a coarser setting and it comes off. You may need to loosen a Phillips head set screw on the side of the grinding collar to allow for continuous rotation. Marc

Hi glen, It's one excellent grinder! Marc

Do you use an open basket? I would think the old style switch would be better

@@gigi9467 I either use a bottomless pf or a dosing cup.

George Michael Varughese oh i see

Hi GMV, No way I'm aware of to move the switch.

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for the response. Guess I suppose I'll have to wait till I upgrade...

Flat burr vs conical burr

Yes

$635 vs $1350

durkadur27 it’s really $718.26 with shipping to US at today exchange rate.

Hi h, Yes, bean hoppers of the E5P, E6, E6P and E37S are interchangeable. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you Marc!

Wow! I just looked at the price of the ceado e5sd and its still 500 to 600 more than the niche zero. No thank you

Hi d, Thanks for the comment. The E5SD affordability is in comparison to Ceado's full commercial E37SD w/83mm flat titanium burrs. I've searched in vain for duty cycle rating and motor wattage for the Niche and have been unable to find any information. For average home user worth/value IMO depends on perspective. Warranty on Ceado grinders is 3 years compared to 1 year for Niche. The E5SD is perfectly capable and reliable in light to medium commercial use. Granted that may not be a concern for light home use but it says a lot about build quality and long term expectations. While the Niche is stepless I'm always a bit suspect of precision in espresso grind ranges in grinders which go from espresso fine setting to medium drip grind with such a short turn of the grind adjustment. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Still the $1300+ price tag makes no sense what so ever considering the E5SD is an E5P with a bellows instead of a hopper. I not its not yous guys at WLL over pricing it cause I checked Ceado's web site and they are doing the same rip off in Europe. Please relate the message to Ceado and tell them that this is not cool.

You mean the Niche Zero that is STILL not available in the US? Versus a grinder that ships within a day or two of order? To me, the Niche is 'vaporware'.

@@LM-ek2hb I'm in the US and got mine just fine, so 100% not vaporware lol XD. It's just back ordered because of insane demand. Was worth the wait if you asked me because now I have an elite grinder next to my Appartamento Nera.

Hi EK, Thanks for the question. E5P retains about 2g of coffee when you single dose. Very difficult to get that 2g out. If you're okay with 2g from your last grind cycle in your next one then you can single dose. Marc

@Whole Latte Love why can’t you just put the pump on the top of E5P. They all look the same. Only difference is the pump on the top? Is there some Internals that are different between the E5P and the E5SD?

@@eugenekong9972 i made a video of my experience. retains more then a couple of grams for sure. SD improved this.

Hi cl, Thanks for the request. I included the Hobby in this video from Oct '19 comparing premium entry-level machines: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l9CmiNqDv5uWZH0.html Planning an individual review of the Hobby in a few weeks. Hobby is now available in black and red: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-new-hobby-espresso-machine-in-red Marc

Hi Marc, looking forward to Hobby review. Could you pair that review with the bundle BB005 grinder. It looks to be one of the cheaper non Asian models adding the Italian glamour. Both machines aesthetically look good together. But of course if the grinder is not worthy of the Hobby Ceado 5 or 6 might be the way to go. On those are they only all black now or SS version available also. Thanks as always.

Additional, how do the cheaper 2 ECM's hold up against these, from a size, height perspective the ECM would be a benefit for myself. Thanks Again.

Adam Spencer Hi working on final shooting for Hobby review today. The BB005 grinder makes an appearance in video. Outside chance review will post today but more likely on Monday. Ceado 5 & 6 are matte black only now. BB005 is a very low cost machine grade grinder. Not at level of Ceado but an excellent value. Marc

Hey Arsh, Do you mean the bean hopper? As a single dosing grinder the E5SD doesn't have a hopper. Beans are fed in the top with the motor on. Marc

In the niche zero grinder it is limited to a maximum of 50 grams. By the way, which one is quiet sound the niche or the e5sd? Thank you so much

The E5SD is a leap in quality above the Niche grinder which borders on appliance grade construction. The E5SD is a true machine with much better sound. No real limit in amount of beans ground in the E5SD. It continuously grinds so you can continuously feed with beans. Marc

Hi Jesus, Sounds like a plan!

Hi SW, Hmm... Like 4K video? Don't think we've ever put up 4K. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage you're right... My mistake!

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Hi BB, The E6P is an excellent grinder. Like any product, dig deep enough into comments and you'll find a vocal few with issues. Most often, problems are the result of improper use. I've used just about every espresso grinder available in the US market over the last decade and the latest version of the E6P is among my favorites. Marc

Yea you're right. I'll stop being paranoid

Hi JR, Be aware all grinders produce a range of grind sizes at a given setting. It's quite normal.

Hi Lou, Sorry that's as small as they get. A few years ago they were much larger until we worked with Ceado to get to current size. Marc