Thanks! Marc

Agreed! I was watching another vid earlier and was thinking the same!

Yes. I’m Australian and his voice and accent should be on a tv talk back show or at least radio.

@@precisionsoundworksstudio I believe I watched once a video and he said he was a radio host or personality on talk show. Marc, definitely has the charismatic voice and personality. His videos are top notch.

Hi AR, Thanks for sharing your satisfaction with the Anima Prestige. The Cadorna does add some desirable new features and serious upgrade to the user interface! Marc

​@@Wholelattelovepage In 2022 would you buy Gaggia Magenta Prestige or Gaggia Cadorna Prestige. This being in higher price point but its now 2 years old and Magenta offers same for 400 dollars less.

Hi Paul, Thanks for the kind comment! Back in the '80s - 90s I did a lot of voice over work before getting deep into coffee! Marc

Hi Mossy, Key when using the milk carafe is keeping things clean - that's true of any machine which uses automatic frothing. always best to do the automatic "Quick Rinse" if you will not be doing another milk drink withing 10 minutes or so. Automatic deep clean goes further if using a product like Urnex Rinza or you can disassemble the frothing components and clean manually. Delivered milk volumes depend on milk type being used as some hold more air than others. Some differences between say whole fat milks, lower fat milks, non-diary milks, etc. I've even had differences for same basic milk type from different sources. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you for that Marc much appreciated. I do keep everything very clean and have tried different milks. I do really appreciate the help on this. I have seen quiet a few reviews that say the same. Hopefully the local support will help me. They are looking for $170 for a new carafe which i think is pretty over priced.

Hi LE, You are welcome! Marc

Hi james, Sorry I have not evaluated that machine so cannot give an opinion.

Hi Dave, The milk is not adjustable. But you'll get that creamy mouth feel by choosing drinks which make the espresso first then the milk like the flat white and others. The change in prep order of milk/espresso makes a big difference. I cannot compare to the Philips as I have not used one. Marc

Dave, do not get the Phillips. I had the Philips 4300 LatteGo, and no matter which milk I tried, it always came out more watery than with a good froth. The espresso shots alone were not great either. You might be better off getting the same one but with the classic milk frother instead.

Hi n, Thanks for the question. It's not a machine recommended for commercial use.

Hi pav2k, Thanks and good to hear from you! Marc

Hey Sonia, If you want it easy and convenient then go with the Cadorna Prestige which has the milk carafe: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-cadorna-prestige If you like your froth unusually hot or want to manually froth to latte art quality then the Cadorna Barista Plus: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-cadorna-plus Hope that helps! Marc

Do you recommend it?

Hi Gabriela, You are welcome! I'm not familiar with the model: Gaggia Milano Prestige. Perhaps you meant the Gaggia Magenta Prestige? Either way, when working with a super-automatic bean to cup machine I always start with the grinder at its finest setting, coffee strength and temperature at maximum. If your beans are capable, the finest setting should get you the most crema. Hope that helps! Marc

Hi d, You're welcome and thanks for the comment and question. 1. No problem for grinder to run without beans 2. Sorry, no way to stop the blinking other than unplugging from wall power. Marc

Thanks for the answers Marc, i appreciate.. Greetings!@@Wholelattelovepage

Hi TT, Thanks for the comment. Purchased from Whole Latte Love: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-cadorna-prestige#product-specs It's a 2 year parts and labor warranty. The machine does not tend to break down. We get regular reports of 10,000+ brew cycles with nothing more than routine maintenance. That maintenance is important! For instance, run hard water through the machine and fail to do the descaling when the machine alerts and you're likely to have problems down the road. Marc

Hi Ernie, Thanks for the comment. You are correct - no secret that Phillips owns Gaggia. One key difference between the brands: All Gaggia machines are made in Italy. That's not true for Phillips or Saeco branded machines. Marc

Hi Thomas, Thanks for the question. I used a Babila as my daily driver in the studio for more than a year and liked it a lot. My favorite feature was the flow control dial on the spouts. I used that daily as I made both espresso & milked-based espresso beverages and long coffees. With the flow control I could leave the grind setting alone and decrease flow rate for espresso and increase flow rate for long coffees. A few months ago I replaced the Babila with the Cadorna Prestige as my studio machine. It's used by me and 2 of my colleagues for 6-9 drinks per day. The UI on the Cadorna is far superior to the Babila's. We appreciate seeing all the drink parameters prior to making a drink and having the ability to make a quick change to any of those and save if desired. With 3 of us using the machine we make use of "My Favorites" so we can each store our own custom version of each drink. With the Cadorna I switched from making long coffees to Americanos so I'm not missing the flow control of the Babila. Compared to the Babila, we appreciate the front access to the water reservoir and used coffee drawer. With the Babila one has to avoid overhanging cabinetry with its top access water reservoir. My favorite milk drink is the flat white. The Cadorna makes it right using 2 grind cycles for a true double shot. The Cadorna has more drink options like caffe au lait, cortado, properly made Americano and flat white. Bottom line is better milk drinks and far more options. After using both machines we all prefer the Cadorna. It has features found on more expensive machines, more drink options, superior UI and similar if not easier maintenance with less complex frothing components. One thing it does not have is a manual steaming wand like the Babila which can do latte art quality frothing. Personally I rarely used the manual wand as I have access to high power semi-auto machines in the studio as well. Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc, more than I could ask for from you. We very much appreciate your details and all of your input. Will be on the WLL site shortly to make our purchase! You guys are awesome!

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks Marc - I am wrestling with the same decision and so I appreciate this feedback from you personally; I am also emailing back and forth with one of the sales staff. The only thing I still wonder about is the longevity of the units since the Babila is a double boiler and stainless...any thoughts?

Hi Louis, Thanks for the comment and question. If dialed in properly and using Breville's single wall (non-pressurized) filter basket you have the potential to make a subjectively better espresso on the Barista Pro. Of course doing that requires more effort and time. Marc

Actually I just hadn’t gotten to that part - seems it is decently hot. Any cons to this machine? Great review but it does read like a bit more of an advert.

The Cadorna Prestige is considered the better machine with a nicer user interface and individual user favorites plus more drink options. Marc

Hi Kev, The Babila and Accademia are very similar machines. A key difference is the Accademia has three different froth densities programmable in milk drinks. With the Babila it's one density. The Babila and Cadorna Prestige do a milk froth that's in between a super-fine cafe latte style and airier cappuccino style. If you want an aireir froth you might be better off using the manual frothing wand available on the Accademia or Babila. With those you can froth to your desired texture and temperature. Marc

Hi George, thanks for watching. As you might know from watching my vids the Cadorna Prestige has been my daily driver in the studio for more than 6 months now. Prior to that I've had the Babila and Accademia as daily drivers for extended periods. Two boilers in the Babila speeds up milk drinks a little bit. I agree with the drink selection and interface on the Cadorna. Another key difference is flipping of milk prep order depending on drink being made on the Cadorna. The Babila does not do that. On the Cadorna I love the flat white and true Americanos. Also like the easy adjustment of drink parameters on the Cadorna. If you drink a lot of straight espresso the Babila with more grind settings and flow control allows for more control of extractions. If you like your milk drinks unusually hot the only way to get there is manual steaming which you have on the Babila. Be aware of the height of the Babila if you have overhanging cabinets. It's a tall machine and water fills from the top. My choice is the Cadorna Prestige. Keep in mind I have high-end semi-autos available for straight espresso so deep control of espresso extractions in a super-auto is not important to me in super-automatic machines. Hope that helps! Marc

Hey GW, A bean to cup super automatic is much easier and cleaner to use than a semi-automatic like the Gaggia Classic. The Cadorna does have an adjustable grinder but if you're always doing espresso based beverages then you'd likely just set to the finest setting and leave it there. Marc

Hi Christian, Thanks for the question and your patronage! Not unusual for pucks to be on the wet side in new machine. The grinder in the your Cadorna "learns" during initial use. Initial brews may be weak and pucks wet as the grinder adjusts amount of coffee ground. Pucks should firm up with use. Marc

Hi T&M, yes you can do just milk and program the amount like other drinks. Also has the pre-ground bypass doser. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you so much for your reply

Hi Y, You are welcome and thanks for the question. I think many reviews saying milk is not hot enough come from those who are newer to milk based espresso beverages and think that they should be as hot as a standard cup of coffee. Be aware well trained baristas steam milk to 135 - 150F finished temp. That's the temperature where milk gains the most apparent sweetness due to heating. Go hotter, and sweetness quickly declines. A properly made latte should be at a temp that allows for quick drinking. That said the Prestige produces a milk froth that tends to be higher than most competing machines. Variables like starting milk temp, cup type and ambient temp do affect finished drink temp. For warmer drinks pre-heat cups. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you for indepth exlanation Marc! Do you know why Gaggia isnt as well known as Delonghi, i live in the UK and many people here have a delonghi machine, they never hear about gaggia. Even on amazon you cannot find to buy a gaggia coffee machine but you can easily access dolonghi machines,im wondering what the reasons behind this are. I mean if you didnt review the Cadorna Prestige i wouldnt have bought it myself. Thanks again

Hi Gina, You are welcome! The Cadorna does work with many non-dairy milks. Some are better than others so it may take some trial and error to find a good brand. For instance, some almond milks work better than others. Also recommend staying away from sweetened or flavored milks. Excess sugars can cause problems. Here's a video which test a variety of non-dairy milks and frothing results in automatic machines: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oLVpn5qgqrTVYYU.html Hope that helps! Marc

Hi Charles, Thanks for the question and your patronage! Happy to hear your Titanium had a run of many years! We get regular reports of super-auto machines doing >15,000 brew cycles with regular maintenance. I like the prestige as well. It's my daily driver in the studio used for a couple of Americanos everyday. At home I have a Jura ENA Micro 90 which I use for espresso and coffee with 2 other family members using for long coffee only and the occasional milk drink. It's small, stylish IMO and quick. The Jura A1 is a very similar machine to the 90 but has no milk functions. It uses Jura's Pulse Extraction Process for espresso and turns that off for long coffee. sound like it's exactly what you are looking for: www.wholelattelove.com/products/jura-a1-piano-black-espresso-machine Hope that helps! Marc

Haha. Me too. Same machine upgrade and from WLL also! This looks like the right replacement. ( we sent ours in for a cleaning/repair a few years ago and haven't had any problems since.

Hi f, thanks for the question. The Cadorna with the milk carafe does not produce a milk foam capable of latte art. But there is this model of the Cadorna with a manual steam wand which can: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-cadorna-plus?variant=32228149362742 Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for answering my question. The Barista Plus in fact has steam want, but then all milk coffees I would have to do in my family. My wife wants something that will make latte or cappucino with one click. So far the only one I see that has both capabilities is Gaggia Academia, but this one is expensive. Maybe you know of different machine (does not have to be Gaggia), that is capable of automatic milk coffees and latter art foam?

​@@fwitkowski Yes, the Accademia does have both options. If you use a machine with an automatic milk carafe you can froth the milk into a glass (or second frothing pitcher) and then pour that milk between 2 pitchers to break up larger bubbles and sometimes that works for pouring latte art.

Hi J, Thanks for the question. Sounds like the Cadorna Prestige is best fit. For ease of water filling I like the slide out front drawer of the Cadorna. Other models fill from top. Their reservoirs are removable but lifting out can be a problem if you have overhanging cabinets. Cadorna is the only machine of the 3 which can save customized versions of drinks for multiple (4) users + the factory defaults. I've used all 3 machines for extended periods. Cadorna in my experinces has slightly hotter coffee output than the others. Auto frothed milk is similar on all machines. The Babila and Accademia have the manual wand. That's useful if you want unusually hot milk drinks or want to give latte art a go. Just about every machine with auto frothing will output milk at 125-145F depending on your variables like ambient and starting milk temps. Manufacturers make it that way for best milk flavor. Go hotter and apparent sweetness from heating quickly fades. Cadorna also does the one touch Americano - I drink a couple of those every morning made on the Cadorna P. Hope that helps! ps. If you like a rocking hot cappa give the true double shot flat white on the Cadorna a go - more mixed than a cappuccino but it's hotter and has a silky mouthfeel in a coffee forward beverage. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc, thanks for your quick h detailed answer, really appreciated. My first choice was Beeville Barista Touch since it gives me a real control over my espresso that I like... But semi automatic machines need more work. And this us the point I got to your channel & hocked up with the best reviews. If we don't take the money in consideration, what would you choose Barista Touch or Gaggia Academia (both dual boiler) Then if we compare the Cadorma to Academia, it's a single boiler, wouldn't be a bit slower? From the video the milk holder in the Academia looks more sturdy & well built, much more than the Cardona, is it wrong impression & the Cardona milk system is well built? Thanks in advance.

Hey lamps, Thanks for the question. If doing predominantly espresso or Americanos I recommend starting with your grinder set to the finest setting. If doing more longer coffees tend toward a medium grind setting. Marc

Hi ally, Happy to hear you are enjoying the Cadorna Prestige. Some water in the drip tray is normal even if you catch the startup and shutdown rinse in a cup. By the way I do the same thing with the cup! Call me lazy, but I don't like emptying drip trays more often than needed. I've been using the Cadorna in the studio for 2-4 drinks a day for months. On average I end up emptying the tray every 3-4 days. That's with catching the rinses in cup but I do miss a rinse occasionally. Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Hmmmm - I actually ensure I never let any water drip in the drip tray. It appears the drip try is getting the water from the back most of the try. I know as I had emptied the tray, made coffee ensuring I have a cup to catch the water and when I turned off the machine I let the water drop into the cup. Pulled out the drip tray and sure enough there water in the furthest compartment located towards the back of the machine. And this is what I am questioning on whether this is normal operation.

Hi DB, It has latte macchiato on the menu. You can configure it to make an espresso macchiato as well using the Cortado (or any other drink which does espresso first) by programming a small amount of milk froth over your desired amount of espresso. If you like a strong espresso macchiato start with the flat white which makes esprsso using 2 grind cycles. Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc! really helpful!

Hey dude, For sure! Quick, high-quality specialty coffee beverages make everyone happy! Marc

Hi Ashley, Thanks for the question. Yes, you can make a latte on the Cadorna Prestige using the Latte Macchiato. That makes a layered drink with hot milk on the bottom, espresso in the middle and airier frothed milk on top. Just stir that and you'll have a Latte. As Gaggia machines are made in Italy you will not find "Latte" on the menu as that translates to "milk" in Italian. The machine does not do hot milk and milk froth separately but relies on gravity and a little time for the milk to separate into steamed milk and milk froth before espresso is brewed. For some of the other milk drinks like the flat white espresso is brewed first then frothed milk. Many prefer the creamier mouthfeel of milk drinks like the flat white or cafe au lait which makes espresso first - it's similar to a latte made by a good barista at a specialty cafe. Taste of espresso is similar between Gaggia and Jura machines. I have a Jura at home and use a Gaggia everyday in the office. Using same beans, flavor is similar and I have no preference for one over the other. If you want more control of espresso flavor you might have a look at the updated Gaggia Accademia: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-accademia-espresso-machine It has 3 levels of pre-infusion, and flow control on the dispensing spouts. Those give you tools to fine tune espresso flavor. Also has 4 levels of milk froth. It's more expensive than the Cadorna but has more to offer feature wise than Jura machines at similar price. You can see the new Accademia in this video of our 5 favorite automatics of 2022 just released today. Video includes the Magenta, Cadorna and 2 Jura machines as well: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nb2CatCWl5OVh30.html Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you for the information

Hi ww, Thanks for the compliment - we do our best! So no spills but one does get an occasional splatter of milk drops. Frothed milk can be rather chaotic. Some times a random surface tension thing causes the froth to not drop in a beautiful uniform stream into the cup but it all gets there minus a drop or two. Marc

Hi ally, Thanks for the comment and question. The Cadorna is a newer machine with a much nicer UI and more drinks than the Accademia like the one-touch Americano. If you don't care about the manual steam wand then I'd go with the Cadorna Prestige. A couple of features I do like on the Accademia are the flow control dial on the coffee spouts and the milk carafe which does the steam cleaning through the handle. With the flow control dial one can adjust the brew rate of the coffee and use a lower flow rate for espresso and higher flow rate for larger cups of coffee. With that you can get deep espresso extractions and gentler extraction of grinds for larger coffees to avoid bitterness. The the Accademia steam cleaning leaves the carafe ready to go back in fridge. The Cadorna does have carafe cleaning - both quick and deeper cycles but it's a bit messier and not quite as thorough as it uses just hot water and no steam. Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks Marc - Will go with the Cordona Prestige

Silly question - how do i know what grind setting would I need for Lavazza coffee beans

Hi Sonia, Yes, that is normal. Indicates the machine is off and in standby mode.

@@Wholelattelovepage I'm experiencing another issue: I tried to make 6oz decaf with pre ground coffee and i added 2 scoops of coffee on the compartment; however only clear hot water came out. I tried again and added more coffee and same issue. I think this festure is faulty because i tried once before and coffee was really weak. 2 scoops of coffee should be plenty for one cup

@@soniasheehan9903 Hi, If you put too much coffee in the bypass doser the machine will reject and may push water thru without actually brewing. Be sure to only lightly fill the scoop - do not pack it in or fill beyond the rim. Another potential issue is with the grind size of your pre-ground. If not already doing so you need to use pre-ground intended for espresso. Pre-ground intended for drip/filter brewed coffee is too coarse for use in the machine. Here's an example of pre-ground decaf that will work well in the machine: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/decaf-coffee-espresso/products/illy-cafe-espresso-decaf-ground Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you, Mark, i will try the coffee type you recommend. I love Illy anyway. One more question..... i keep a container in the spout while not in use so it will catch the water when the machine does it's rinsing. I notice the tray has alot of water. Does the machine discharge water from the inside and not the just the spout? I have to empty the bottom tray every other day.

Hey KF, Thanks for the comment and question. Might be the coffee you're using. Other than that, You can try increasing the grind size setting, reducing the strength setting and/or decreasing the liquid volume of espresso made. The default settings for the latte macchiato XL are good. Personally I'd adjust to 2oz/60ml espresso at high temp and full strength with 10oz/300ml milk. Marc

I would try another bean. If you don't like bitter, buy arabica beans rather than robusta. A lot of the quality of coffee out of this machine comes down to the beans and your preference re the above two types of beans.

Hi AP, You are welcome and thanks for the question. Essentially the same machine except the Cadorna Milk does not have the carafe. It uses a pick up tube for milk and what we call the "slide" to deliver the milk to cup. Marc

For espresso, always the finest setting

Merhaba Anadolu, soru için teşekkürler. Sadece Kuzey Amerika'da satın alınan bir makine ile ilgili fikrimi söyleyebilirim. Bu lokasyonda, garanti hizmetinin yanı sıra Gaggia ürünleri için şirket içi fabrika sertifikalı hizmet sunuyoruz. Bunun ötesinde, onarım, bakım ve video ve makalelerin nasıl kullanılacağı dahil olmak üzere mükemmel kendi kendine yardım DIY kaynaklarımız var. İşte Gaggia Cadorna Destek sitemizden bir örnek: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us/sections/360012584953-Gaggia-Cadorna-Prestige Bahsettiğiniz makineler arasında bildiğim kadarıyla Gaggia ürünleri sadece İtalya'da üretilen makineler. Umarım yardımcı olur! Marc translated question: Hello. I have to choose between Gaggia cadorna prestige, melitta latticita herb, Gaggia cadorna Milk and philips lattego 4300. We like to consume milky drinks hot. At the same time, what do you think is an additional product to upset us in terms of material quality, spare parts and service network. I think the most expensive is Cadorna prestige. I would appreciate it if you could help me if the price difference is worth it. Hi Anadolu, Thanks for the question. I can only give my opinion with regards to a machine purchased in North America. In this location we provide in house factory certified service for Gaggia products as well as warranty service. Beyond that, we have excellent self-help DIY resources including repair, maintenance and how to use videos and articles. Here's a sample at our Gaggia Cadorna Support site: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us/sections/360012584953-Gaggia-Cadorna-Prestige Of the machines you mention as far as I know the Gaggia products are the only ones manufactured in Italy. Hope that helps! Marc

Thanks for answer.

Hi Kevin, Thanks for the question. Happy to hear you are getting good results with the Super Crema. I should mention that timing does not apply for super-auto machines as it does for semi-auto machines. You did not mention what other bean types you were using. But based on your description of sharp up front, sour and bitter I'll take a guess they are relatively fresh from roast and potentially a lighter roast than the super crema. The sharp up front sounds like brightness/acidity common in fresh from roast coffee and may be the sour. Bitterness is a general symptom of over-extraction but could also be coming from the roast if dark. Recommendations: It's hard to be definitive as I do not know what types of beans you are using but here's some general advice: If coffee is less than 3 weeks from roast let it rest until 3 weeks. Beans under 3 weeks almost always present with sharp/bright/acidic flavors. These can be toned down with high-end commercial machines/techniques but can't correct for that in an automatic machine. Start with the finest grind setting, maximum bean strength and high temperature. Make a shot that's ~1.5 oz in volume. If coffee is making little crema keep the shot shorter about 1oz. If making a lot of crema let it go close to 2oz. Taste. If bitter increase grind size 2 notches. Brew a couple shots and taste the second one. Hopefully the grind adjustment helps reduce bitterness if present. Hope that helps! Marc

Hi A, Thanks for the question. Yes, The Cadorna can do a double shot and does so with 2 separate grind cycles so you can get a double with a real double shot dose! For the flat white it does that automatically - 2 grind cycles for a true double . Other milk drinks do a single as appropriate. Marc

Hi BB, You are welcome for the the video and thank you for your comment and questions. Jura machines tend to run more $$ for similar capabilities when compared to Gaggia machines. I can't speak to the Miele as I have no experience with it. I have an older Jura ENA Micro 90 at home and a Cadorna Prestige in the office. Both get daily use. The Cadorna does give you the same features at a lower price point. Plus some extras like the ability to save 4 extra versions of each drink in the favorites menu. I personally prefer the carafe system of the Gaggia for milk drinks. Attach the carafe, make your drink, run very quick rinse and put the carafe back in the fridge ready to go for next time. You will want to run a deeper clean 1x week or depending on usage and take apart the carafe's frothing components as needed for deeper cleaning. Jura uses a pickup tube for milk. For cleaning you use the 2 section container. One section holds the cleaning solution and the other catches the rinse. Just a little more involved to use that system. The Gaggia makes slightly hotter drinks in my experience. But, if you're the type who wants it super hot no machine of this type will satisfy. They all brew internally at about 200F. By the time coffee makes it out of the spouts it's in the 180s and then cools even more as it drops to the cup and gives up more heat to the cup. Drink quality is very similar. I drink a lot of Americanos from the Cadorna and long coffees from the Jura at home using the same beans. My Micro 90 does not have Americanos but the long coffee is similar in taste to the Americanos. The E8 and my Micro 90 both use a deeper pulse extraction process (PEP) for espresso but turn that off for long coffees to avoid over-extraction. From the beans I use I get a more intense chocolate note after the coffee cools from the Cadorna's Americanos than what I get from long coffees from the Jura. We regularly get customer reports of >12,000 brew cycles with nothing more than routing maintenance on Gaggia machines. My Jura at home is closing in 7,000 brew cycles after 3 years of use with nothing other than routine maint. Customer support for both Gaggia and Jura are excellent. We handle Gaggia support and service in the US with actual experts you can call and talk to. Jura has the same in the US. The brew units in Gaggia are removable those in Jura are not. Coffee maintenance consists of removing the brew unit in the Gaggia about 1x week and rinsing under tap water. Once a month or so run a cleaning tablet through the coffee bypass doser to get rid of accumulated coffee oils. For the Jura it's the cleaning tablets about once a month depending on level of use. The machine tells you when but it's in the neighborhood of every 200 brew cycles. Cadorna let's you know when it's time to descale. Frequency depends on your source water hardness and if you use the in-reservoir filter. Here in the office I've descaled the Cadorna 1x in a year of use averaging 2 drinks a day. For Jura, if you use their in reservoir filter you will never hve to descale the machine. If you do not use a filter it depends on source water hardness but for average soft water it's about every 200 brew cycles. I hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Marc - thanks for really taking the time to provide an adequate detailed response. VERY helpful! Thank you!

And just found the comparison on the website!

@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc - do you have concern now that Philips owns Gaggia that support, design, etc will change or go downhill, so to speak.

Hi Sam, Thanks for the question. Espresso can be made back to back with very little waiting. Just enough time for the machine to eject the used coffee then grind for the next. The flat white and Americano shown in the video are time lapsed so not made as fast as seen in video. There is a wait of 20 or so seconds for milk froth as the machine heats to steaming temperature. About the same wait time for an Americano in between espresso brewing and hot water delivery. Hope that helps! Marc

Hi Kate, not sure where you're checking prices. Fairly certain it's actually lower than a year ago.

Hi Michael, Thanks for the question. The brew group is functionally the same in all those machines. Some slight variation in dosing amounts. One big change with the Cadorna (and a couple newer Gaggia machines) is small catch tray which does hold water just below the group. Some grounds spilling is normal for super-auto machines. I see it on Jura machines all the time. Marc

Hi MB, Thanks for the comment. Like any coffee beverage/recipe what you get depends on who makes it. In my experience flat white is most commonly made using a double shot. Marc

Well hi there Michael and thanks thanks for sharing your enjoyment! When you increase the strength setting the machine grinds more beans and makes the beverage using a larger coffee dose weight. The dose weight is adjusted in a range of ~6.5 - 11.5g of coffee depending on strength setting. Marc

Hi Murray, Thank you for the kind comments on my videos - it's appreciated. Congrats on moving away from Nespresso. Guessing you know I'm not a fan of pre-ground coffee in capsules. Long term you will be saving money and drink much better coffee and milk based espresso beverages using a super-automatic bean to cup machine. Nespresso cost per gram of coffee is over 10 cents! A quality whole bean coffee runs about 2 cents a gram. The Anima Prestige is a great value in one-touch automatic machines. No other machines compare at that price. If you want to expand the quality and selection of milk drinks I'd take a hard look at the Cadorna Prestige. It is more money of course but much nicer user interface and makes better and more milk drinks. Key is flipping the espresso and milk prep order depending on the drink being made. Customers are loving the Cadorna! Reasd some user reviews here - might help you justify the higher price: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-cadorna-prestige Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you so much for you response Marc! Maybe if the Cardona Prestige goes on sale I'll be able to talk my wife into it. 😁

Hi Pati, I'll do my best to help. At some point it comes down to what's important to you. I've used both machines extensively - Babila was my daily driver in the studio for more than a year. What I like about the Babila: Flow control dial on spouts for easy control of extraction rate. Let it flow fast for long coffee and restrict the flow for espresso and milk based beverages. Milk carafe. I prefer carafe over Jura's pick up tube for milk beverages and the milk carafe does a quick clean with steam so it's ready to go back in fridge for next time. Cleaning Jura milk system is more involved. Babila has a very solid build and removable brew group. Jura is all plastic exterior and brew group is not removable. What I like about the E8: More contemporary design aesthetic. Prettier user interface. Does steamed and frothed milk - Babila only does frothed. No descaling required if you use in-reservoir filter as directed. I have this video which is a direct comparison of the Babila and E8: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hNWRrNSksuCod5c.html (I have a video for everything!) And here's a link to side by side spec comparison: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=MjMxMDgwMjIxMDg3MCwxNTQ1OTcyODQyNTU1 Hope that helps! Marc

Hi JZ, A few tips... Since I do not know if you are making espresso or longer coffees know that in general you want a finer grind setting if doing mostly espresso and coarser if making longer coffees. Use the strength setting to increase flavor intensity. Both machines use a similar process for extracting the coffee so results should be about the same if using the same beans. Marc

Hi v, Thanks for the question. The first 10 or so brews from your machine will be weaker as the Gaggia Adapting System adjusts to the coffee beans you are using. If you are past that point and simply want a stronger cup one way to get there is select "2 cups" and make them using lower brew water volume. 2 Cups is available on any coffee beverage using the upper right button after selecting the beverage. So rather than making a single 6oz coffee. Make 2 x 3oz. coffees. When you select the "2 Cup" function the machine will run 2 grind cycles automatically. Single grind cycles use up to 11.5g at max strength setting. Go 2 cups and you'll get up to 23g of coffee ground and a much stronger cup. Marc

Hi Vivek, Thanks for the request. Will see if I can work a comparison video into the schedule. I do have a number of videos on the ENA 8. Just go to the video tab at this link to watch those: www.wholelattelove.com/products/jura-ena-8-espresso-machine-in-black#product-videos Which would I choose? Well, I've been using the Cadorna Prestige as the daily driver in the studio for about 6 months now and I'm loving it. IMO the ENA 8 is best for lower volume use. I like the trim and modern look of the ENA 8. But, I love the true Americanos from the Cadorna and the ability to easily modify a drink before making and save multiple versions. Marc

Hi Kitty, Thanks for the questions. The Oracle touch is some $$ and a much more manual experience than the super-auto bean to cup machines. I use the Cadorna Prestige daily for normal coffee. It does very good job at that - and I'm a bit of a snob myself! Recently I most often use the Cadorna for Americanos which it makes properly and IMO are a better version of regular drip style coffee. Doing the Americanos takes away any need to change grind size as one would use the same grind for those and the espresso for a flat white. If you do a standard coffee on the Cadorna with all water going through the grind you'd want to use a coarser grind than for the espresso. But, it is possible to split the difference in grind and get both a good espresso and a good long coffee. You really do not want to hassle with changing the grind size all the time. And, that's why going Americano is perfect for your situation. Grind size settings cannot be saved as a preference. It's a manual control in the bean hopper. Flat whites on the Cadorna Prestige are excellent. It makes them right with espresso first and true double shot with individual grind cycles resulting in max dose of 23g per drink. Advantage of a dual boiler is simultaneous espresso extraction and milk frothing - so quicker drinks. Also more consistent brew temps as a dedicated boiler provides the water for espresso. The integrated milk carafe of the Cadorna Prestige provides a single type of fine milk froth. It's not adjustable. Manual steaming allows one to due the milk however they like and to whatever temperature they like. The Cadorna Barista Plus is very similar to the Cadorna Prestige except it has a commercial style manual wand. You can go to latte art quality froth using that but it does require some skill. Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc, thank you so much for your explanation. Just one more question. Is it easy to change the type of beans every once and a while? I know with a manual machine you have to make a lot of adjustments. Is it recommendable or rather stick to one type? Best regards, Kitty

Hi Terry, Thanks for the comment and question. Yes, you can use non-dairy milks. Most work quite well but there is some variance in froth quality between types and brands. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks Marc. I wanted to add you are the best all things coffee KZfaqr hands down. Thank you Marc. I have learned a lot from you and Whole Latte Love. Cheers.

Hi Kitty, Thanks for your patronage and sorry for the troubles. I talked with our lead support tech. The error is related to the grinder motor. It is a user serviceable item. Support asked that you contact them for assistance here: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us Marc

Hi TH, Thanks for the question. Unfortunately I have not used the Siemens product so cannot render an opinion. Marc

Hi David, Thanks for the question. I used a Babila as my daily driver in the studio for more than a year. Favorite feature was the flow control on the spouts as I regularly switched between long coffee and espresso. Also liked the automatic steam cleaning of the carafe when you push the spout over. The Cadorna does not have the flow control. What it does have is a much nicer UI! So nice to know all drink parameters and have the ability to make a one time change or make a change and save it to one of 4 user profiles. Also does flipping of the milk/espresso prep order based on drink type and has additional drinks like proper Americano and true double shot flat white. Marc

Hi Dominic, Thanks for the question. While not whisper quiet it's not at all loud. I'd say quieter than most except for a couple of high-end Jura machines which run 2-3x the price. Marc

Hi A, Thanks for the question. The "coffee" option is for longer (larger cups of) coffee. It uses the same brewing process as espresso so the full volume of water goes through the ground coffee. If doing a lot of those one would typically back off to a coarser grind size. The Americano brews a regular espresso then adds hot water that does not run through the grind. Marc

Hey W Man, Thanks for the question. You most definitely can grind both Robusta and Arabica beans in the Cadorna. In fact many of the classic Italian style bean blends commonly used for espresso contain a mix of Arabic and Robusta beans. Beans which are shiny with excessive surface oils (typically dark roasted) should be avoided. They will not damage the grinder but may cause clogs. I've used Maromas Orphea a blend which contains both bean types extensively in the Cadorna with no issues: www.wholelattelove.com/products/maromas-orphea-whole-bean-espresso Hope that helps! Marc

Hi Crusty, There sure is! When you select any coffee beverage use the upper right button to toggle between making 1 or 2. With 2 selected you'll see 2 cups in the center of the display. The machine grind and brew 2 times automatically. Marc

Hi Michael, That's great! You and I will be using the same machine. For mostly espresso drinks I recommend setting the grinder to its finest setting. From there, if you find things are bitter you can back off to a coarser setting. The grinder takes a few brew cycles to self adjust when new so your first 5 shots are likely to be on the weak side. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks so much! We get spring water from Arrowhead delivered that we used for our coffee and drinking water. Looks like the unit comes with a filter we select the hardness level. I'm guessing this is not necessary if we are already using filtered water? If not what would be the reason to use it? Thanks so much

Hi Jonathan, Thanks for the comment! Marc

Hi John, Great to hear you are loving the Velasca. Yes, the Cadorna is based on the Velasca. Marc

Hey Todd, Thanks for the question. Wow - someone needs their coffee in a hurry!!! I can relate to that but the machine does not have a programmable turn on time :(. The carafe has a quick clean function. This can be run at anytime with milk still in the carafe. It runs hot water through the frothing components. After that the carafe is ready to go back in the fridge. It also has a deeper cleaning function using a cleaner + water in the carafe. Marc

Hi s, Thanks for the comment and question. While the machine does not make hot chocolate on its own it can make hot frothed milk. From there stir in the chocolate your choice in syrup or powder form. Marc

Hi NP, I've used both and prefer the Cadorna Prestige. It has more drink options like the Americano, carafe based milk system is easier to use than the pick up tube system on the Jura. Easier to customize drinks on the Gaggia one can save multiple versions of custom drinks in user profiles. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Do you think Cardona prestige will last long? We are a couple who have coffee twice a day. I like to know how many years it lasts with regular maintenance ....Appreciate your response!

@@Wholelattelovepage Also would you let me know Cadorna Prestige or Delonghi Eletta Explore? If money was not a concern.

@@navpsn820 We get consistent reports of Gaggia machines going 15,000+ brew cycles with nothing more than routine maintenance. I was just talking to our senior service technician Ted last week who has been doing Gaggia repairs for ~12 years. I asked him what was the most reliable Gaggia machine and his answer was the Cadorna - says very few come in for repairs. Marc

Hi M, You are welcome and thank you for your comment and question. The Cadorna has 10 grind settings - sorry I did not mention in the review. One can occasionally have a larger bubble or two but in general the froth is quite silky. On the dispensing there may be some surface tension pulling the froth to one side or the other. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for your prompt reply clarifying all of that.

@@Wholelattelovepage Once you dial in your preferred grind size for Expresso, is there any need to change this semi-regulatly e.g. when you make an Americano? I've read the instruction manual and changing grind size on this machine is a hassle - you can only adjust one notch at time and only when the machine is operating(?) and it needs a special key!

Hi ET, Thanks for the question. IMO the Gaggia Cadorna machines make a hotter coffee than other machines. That said, it's not crazy burn your tongue hot. Bean to cup machines brew at 195-205F internally. I've measured delivery temps at the spouts in the mid 180s. Variables like ambient temp, cup type/temp and beverage size make a big difference in finished in cup temps. For warmer beverages preheating cups helps a lot. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks heaps Marc for reply. One final concern, do these machines make real crema on the espresso or what others may call a fake crema like a dual wall basket? Or should I look at the Breville Barista Touch? Like most I’m time poor in the morning before work, too much prep and cleaning would not suit my lifestyle, but neither would inferior coffee.

Hi K, Thanks for your patronage and sorry you are having trouble. Was the grinder running when you tried to adjust? If not, it always should be when attempting to adjust to a finer grind setting. If that does not help please contact our Tech Support here for assistance: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage It was grinding. I have placed the ticket through and I hope it's just something I'm not doing right with this being my first machine. With only a few seconds of grinding occurring, there's not much time to fiddle with it in different ways without being wasteful. Thanks!

Hi Lisa, Thanks for the comment with the video love! I'll make you a deal. Since you have that RN & BSN after your name I'm guessing you're a nurse? I have 2 daughters currently working on RN degrees. Help with my question and I'll proactively help with yours. My question: What sort of nursing should they go into for best job satisfaction and $$? But on to your question. I'd go with the Gaggia Cadorna Prestige. It makes true flat whites with a proper double shot if that's how he likes them and the only machine of the bunch which makes a true Americano. It's higher capacity for water etc than the ENA 8 and personally I prefer the detachable milk carafe to the milk pickup tube of the Jura machines. Coffee quality will blow you away vs. the Keurig and you'll save a ton long-term vs. cost of K-Cups! All the convenience of Keurig with far better coffee from whole beans ground fresh and no plastic waste. Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage I will gladly help with your question too! My most recent nursing position was in PostPartum (mother-baby). People aren't usually "sick" and baby poop is better than grown up poop. There is a lot of psychology that goes into that unit, but it is typically happy times. I have also worked hospice and I feel it was where I could be a "true nurse" and not just a corporate hospital robot. Hospitals can pay better, especially more than doctors offices. Hospice pays well, but there is some after hours on call that used to stress me out. I have also done Labor/Delivery. That is good if you like fast paced work and walking into the "unknown adventures" every day when you clock in. Plus, if they want to be a travel nurse, L&D is high paying (as well as ICU). MedSurg sucks. I retired (early). It is a tough career and you can burn out with bedside nursing. Best wishes to your daughters and thanks for the recommendations!

Hi m, Thanks for the question. I like both machines a lot so it's a tough call. IMO the ENA 8 is best at a lower use level servicing 1 to 2 users. It's a smaller machine with lower capacities. If you do a lot of milk drinks the Cadorna Prestige is easier to use day to day with the milk carafe and its quick clean function so it can go back in the fridge. Also larger variety of milk drinks on the Cadorna and you can save multiple version of each with the 4 user profiles. Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for your reply , what one touch machine from any of the brands would you buy around £1000 ?

Hi MC, Yes. We worked with Gaggia to create a version of the Cadorna Barista, the "Plus" with a manual (commercial) steam wand for our customers in US. Marc

Hi Pauline, Sorry for the delayed response. I usually respond to comments with 1 business day and somehow missed yours. I love the Cadorna Prestige. Much nicer interface, more drink options and front slide out for water. The Accademia and Babila have top access to water reservoir so difficult if you have overhanging cabinets. The Caorna does do a relatively hot milk compared to other machines. I'm using the Cadorna Prestige as our daily driver in the studio. It replaced a Babila a few months ago and prior to the Babila I used an Accademia. I did like both those machines. Especially the flow control on the spouts which makes it very easy to fine tune an extraction. Having used them all my preference is for the Cadorna. Love being able to save personalized version of the drinks under different users as there's 3 of us using the machine daily. I'd read the owner reviews of the Cadorna to get some real world use info. Go here and scroll down for those: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-cadorna-prestige One thing the Cadorna does not have that the others do is a manual steaming wand. With that you can create latte art quality frothed milk. And, if you like milk extraordinarily hot a manual wand is the only way to get that. Hope that helps! Marc

appreciate your reply, thank you.@@Wholelattelovepage

Hi Matt, Thanks for the question. This type of machine can do >15,000 brew cycles with regular maintenance. You can do the maintenance yourself. Most important item is using good water. Number one cause of machine issues is scale deposits from hard water (high mineral level). You want some minerals in water for flavor but not too much. When you get your machine use the included water hardness test strip and enter the hardness reading into the machine. With that info the machine will alert you when it's time to descale. Using an in reservoir water filter is not required but doing so will extended the periods between descaling. Also do not use coffee beans with an oily surface sheen in any super-automatic machine. They can cause grinder clogs. Beyond that, the brew unit removes from the machine and should be rinsed with room temp tap water (no soap or scrubbing) weekly. The brew unit can be deep cleaned and not a bad idea to do that annually depending on use level. Here's a video showing how to do that: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fq2dmdF4s8WugXU.html Hope that helps! Marc

Hi Karl, A quick search turned up these Gaggia dealers in Japan. Assume they would carry machines made to work with your power source: translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=www.gaggia.jp/&prev=search&pto=aue Marc

It's possible to clean the brew group with this one. So that's an easy choice.

Hi 4, Thanks for the question and no need to ask privately! When I say in the video the Cadorna has features of more expensive machines I'm referring to Jura's with similar color choose by drink picture displays. I like The ENA 8 as well. Been using it in the studio for a number of months now as our daily driver. If you like milk based drinks the Cadorna is easier to use and has more variety. It's out of the box ready with the carafe. Jura ENA 8 uses a pickup tube for milk and doesn't come with a container for milk. Cleaning after a milk drink is more involved with the ENA 8. With the Cadorna just do the quick rinse and the carafe is ready to go back in the fridge for next time. As to coffee quality... Results are similar for both. I did not cover in video but the Cadorna has slightly more control of grind size with 10 grind settings vs 7 on the ENA 8. I do like the Americanos on the Cadorna. They have a whole different flavor profile than drip or long coffees made from same beans. No Americano on the ENA 8. Cadorna can make 2 coffee beverages at same time and keeps them full strength by running 2 grind cycles automatically. It's one at time on the ENA 8. Jura uses the smart filters so and if you use them you will never need to descale the Jura. Also senses filter replacement so no diving into menus for that. Brew unit is removable in the Cadorna, not removable in the ENA 8. Hope that helps! Marc

Whole Latte Love awesome!! Thanks for your help!!

Hi Michael, Thanks for the question. The basic controls for dialing in on a super-automatic are grind size, coffee dose (strength) and temperature. The Cadorna has 10 grind settings, 5 strength levels and 3 temperature settings. For espresso on super auto machines I suggest starting at the finest grind setting, highest coffee dose and temperature settings. If you think it's over extracting first back off the grind setting a couple of clicks to coarser. Comparing quality to professional... Prosumer level semi-auto machines have the potential to produce a higher-end espresso. But they take knowledge, skill and effort to produce superior results. IMO automatic machines produce a better espresso than the majority of chain cafes. Get a good barista at a specialty cafe and you'll get better espresso. Automatic machines produce consistent results that are convenient. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you Marc 😊

Hi T, Thanks for the question and no problem understanding your English! Any changes made to drink volume, intensity, etc are for that brew cycle only. If you make changes to a drink you have the option to save those to one of the for user profiles prior to making the drink. It's two clicks to save the changes. One to tell the machine you want to save them and a second to select which of the user profiles tosave it to. Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for the answer! Do you know if gaggia will make this kind of coffee machine with connect app option soon?

Hi rayan, You must be watching my prosumer level espresso vids if you're on the appliance v. machine! The price on the Cadorna is low compared to other manufacturer machines with similar features. To get features like milk prep order switching, true Americano and flat white is about 2x the price for a Jura machine. No doubt that semi-auto machines used by barista or high-end home hobbyists have the potential to produce a better espresso. But that requires a higher level of skill, knowledge and effort. What these automatic machines do is offer consistent quality that's convenient. IMO results from these machines beat what you'll get from most large chain shops. Marc