Review: Mozart Symphonies by Tarmo Who?

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The Ultimate Classical Music Guide by Dave Hurwitz

The Ultimate Classical Music Guide by Dave Hurwitz

17 күн бұрын

Mozart: Symphonies Nos 35 "Haffner", 36 "Linz" and 40 + 3 Piano Improvisations (download only). Deutsche Kammerphilharmonie, Bremen, Tarmo Peltokoski (cond.) DG

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@rosstwele8966
@rosstwele8966 15 күн бұрын
The speed of the first two movements of this Haffner gave me an actual blood pressure spike that I didn’t recover from for the rest of the album.
@jimmybyun
@jimmybyun 14 күн бұрын
I love how Bruno Walter says, “sing” to the orchestra. He says it with such gentleness.
@matthewrippingsby5384
@matthewrippingsby5384 15 күн бұрын
This may be your sweetest, most encouraging review yet, David! 'That's a good thing! Anyone can accidentally hire studio time!'
@knutanderswik7562
@knutanderswik7562 15 күн бұрын
When I was little I used to play "air timpani" with the finale of the Haffner, it is such a joy. Sounds perfect for me 😛
@clementewerner
@clementewerner 15 күн бұрын
I discovered Mozart's 40th by the Camerata Salzburg, no conductor. Just 36 minutes of bliss. One of the reasons why KZfaq these days is preferred by some to purchasing or even playing a CD?
@kellyrichardson3665
@kellyrichardson3665 11 күн бұрын
Well put!
@bendingcaesar65
@bendingcaesar65 15 күн бұрын
That was exactly my reaction when I heard these recordings. I thought the performances were very average, and the orchestra could have played them just as well without him.
@SarahLeizer-fc1jq
@SarahLeizer-fc1jq 15 күн бұрын
Agreed. This version is completely lacking in nuances. After listening to this Linz, I relistened to Mackerras'. Boy, what a difference!
@MisterPathetique
@MisterPathetique 15 күн бұрын
That was a good and honest review! Too bad we always have to cope with the all the PR and promotional bullcrap when it comes to these "prodigies". Let's just hope he turns out to be worth the hype.
@Emrla1
@Emrla1 15 күн бұрын
His performances put a smile on my face - so did the improvs, although I won't be listening to those again any time soon.
@tip3y592
@tip3y592 15 күн бұрын
I hope you can review Vanska's new Mahler 3rd and Michael Francis's new Beethoven Symphonies(Mahler Re-Orchestrations)❤
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 15 күн бұрын
That's the plan.
@Taosravenfan
@Taosravenfan 15 күн бұрын
The fact that your review was neutral, is a good thing. He’s got time to grow. And you didn’t come out hard negative as you did for “Ken.”
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 15 күн бұрын
He didn't deserve a "hard negative." Ken did.
@barryguerrero6480
@barryguerrero6480 15 күн бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuide Exactly. The 'Ken Doll' "Petrushka" recording is positively atrocious. It's no exaggeration.
@Taosravenfan
@Taosravenfan 15 күн бұрын
Agreed. That’s why on a relative scale this review was ok. I hope the guy grows to become great.
@Bachback
@Bachback 15 күн бұрын
I like the use of timpani to energize Mozart. Perhaps the timpani were over done here. I need to find out.
@knutanderswik7562
@knutanderswik7562 15 күн бұрын
Do you happen to know whether the distinctive way those timpani rolls are done in the finale of the Haffner (sharp attack, then crescendo) are an interpretive decision? I don't remember anyone else who does them that way!
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 15 күн бұрын
Yes, they are, but whether the conductor's or the timpanist's I can't say.
@knutanderswik7562
@knutanderswik7562 15 күн бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuide Thank you, I love it, it sounds fiendishly difficult to execute!
@knutanderswik7562
@knutanderswik7562 13 күн бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuide OK I also notice the first oboe goes to town with ornaments on the repeats in the slow movement, which you could also say is maybe his prerogative, but when the first violins do it, too (as they do), it seems to me you have to give the conductor some credit. His salon-pieces certainly betray a love of embellishment, so it's not too much of a stretch here. f Speaking of those improvisations, I especially enjoyed the Linz tango which I take as an homage to his Finnish background, the Finns have a peculiar affinity for that rhythm. Intelligence and playfulness, absolutely!
@mhc2231
@mhc2231 15 күн бұрын
That album cover is slightly embarrassing. It reminds me of Harry Potter with his magic wand. I'm not knocking Tarmo or Harry or wands... just saying. Maybe that's exactly the connection the marketing folks want to make.
@SarahLeizer-fc1jq
@SarahLeizer-fc1jq 15 күн бұрын
Who are the people in the pictures? What message is looked to convey with those pictures?
@williamfredscott6904
@williamfredscott6904 15 күн бұрын
I did a quick comparison between the new whiz kid and the old master in the Linz. It always struck me as one of Klemp's (surprisingly) vigorous recordings. Mr Tarmo logs in at 9.55/7.50/3.12/7.00 Yes, I agree with you that it seems fast. But Maestro's recording is 9.54/6.36/3.09/7.19. I agree with you: timings aren't everything. But isn't that a surprise? Klemperer's finale is hair-raising. Just checking in -/ love your videos.
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 15 күн бұрын
It highlights the importance of phrasing and accent in creating the impression of (excessive) speed, but the Linz isn't as wacky that way as Nos. 35 and 40.
@caleblaw3497
@caleblaw3497 15 күн бұрын
I was curious about Tarmo and listened to a few videos on KZfaq. Based on the limited number of clips that I watched, I think I would prefer the playing style of more intensities and seriousness than Tarmo's
@ahartify
@ahartify 15 күн бұрын
On first hearing of this recording I just wondered why so many, such as Glenn Gould, for example, wished Mozart and Beethoven were Baroque and not 'classical.'
@fzanon
@fzanon 14 күн бұрын
I appreciate the inclusion of piano improvisations in between symphonies. It makes a good break so that we can clean up our ears before listening to the next symphony, and offers an alternative to the too-reverent listening attitude. The only thing is that we, musicians who play from the score, tend to overrate improvisation skills. As though that was the mark of genius. It is not. It is only that our musical education is too segmented and does not encourage self-expression at that level. There are thousands of people who can improvise in classical and pre-classical style in a truly effective way. On the piano I can think of Andre Mehmari, who improvises on themes asked for by the audience, or Gabriela Montero. Various harpsichord and lute players can give a fully improvised concert in the style of Scarlatti or 16th century lute music. It is just another modality of music-making, which I welcome but am not baffled by.
@annecheng7761
@annecheng7761 15 күн бұрын
I’m going to his concert with the HK Philharmonic next month with Prokofiev’s 2nd Piano Concerto and Mahler’s 5th. Should be interesting.
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 15 күн бұрын
Hopefully.
@garrack
@garrack 15 күн бұрын
me too
@zhichenwang8099
@zhichenwang8099 9 күн бұрын
Me too, hope for the best at this stage. Prokofiev 2 is my fav concerto.
@joncheskin
@joncheskin 15 күн бұрын
DG put mvt 1 of the 40th, mvt 2 of Linz and mvt 4 on KZfaq, so I gave a listen. I thought the 40th 1st movement had a lot of nice little details in phrasing and balance, I actually did hear some stuff in a new way. The Linz slow movement I thought was fast but certainly listenable, the orchestra played with real charm. The Haffner finale definitely suffered from the loud timpani, I wonder what the musicological justification for this is, it just seemed distracting. I detected some real creativity in the performances, although certainly no stunning revelations.
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 14 күн бұрын
Yes, but whose creativity? That's the question.
@richfarmer3478
@richfarmer3478 15 күн бұрын
He is supposed to be a specialist in Wagner, so it will be interesting to hear what he does with those works.
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 15 күн бұрын
Isn't everyone supposed to be a specialist in Wagner?
@stevemcclue5759
@stevemcclue5759 15 күн бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuide I certainly am, and I don't even conduct!😀
@waynesmith3767
@waynesmith3767 15 күн бұрын
Heard enough of his Wagner to think he is just too young to specialize in Wagner-age matters and sometimes being young is a plus and sometimes being mature is more appropriate.
@leoconstantatos-best7699
@leoconstantatos-best7699 15 күн бұрын
Any thoughts on Beethoven's relationship with the fuge?
@windsofchange9457
@windsofchange9457 15 күн бұрын
Who was the fuge?
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 15 күн бұрын
Lots of them, but this is not the place for them.
@mosaiques23
@mosaiques23 15 күн бұрын
You're right. Very reverberant and very loud timpani. 🤮 I think by now, Harnoncourt and Gardiner are considered "old school." Still, in HIP (non-historical nor informed) recordings, I still prefer them.
@pauloqueiroz9611
@pauloqueiroz9611 15 күн бұрын
Not another one!! Lol
@petertaplin4365
@petertaplin4365 15 күн бұрын
I agree about the timpani prominence. Sometimes it can be exciting, but here its just annoying, and you find yourself waiting for the next time to 'duck for cover'! The sound's not that great generally, lacking in bottom end and resonance.
@SarahLeizer-fc1jq
@SarahLeizer-fc1jq 15 күн бұрын
It reminds me of those Irish trad music sessions in in which an abusive bodhram steps in, masking the music made by the fine musicians in the session.
@pauldavidartistclub6723
@pauldavidartistclub6723 15 күн бұрын
With all the repertoire out there, it's got to be more Mozart at this late date. Yaaawn. Sure, timeless…it’s been done to death, decades and decades of recordings preserve great performances in the way pre good recorded sound couldn’t (thus the need to keep such music alive in concert halls…a situation which wasn’t necessarily even done in earlier days, thus why so much baroque era music disappeared, up until recent revivals). I’ll pass
@pauldavidartistclub6723
@pauldavidartistclub6723 15 күн бұрын
…and if one wants to hear improvisational versions of classical music themes, there’s marvelous jazz musicians bred in that idiom such as Jacques Loussier, and John Lewis, just off the top. Sheesh
@cobymela
@cobymela 15 күн бұрын
He is 22 and his voice sounds like he is 62. I don’t know how good he really is, but he sounds way better than Makela.
@clementewerner
@clementewerner 15 күн бұрын
Wikipedia says he is 24, born 21 April 2000.
@corgansow6173
@corgansow6173 15 күн бұрын
There's a reason why Makela holds directorship with Chicago and concergebouw. Yes I agree most of his recordings were overrated but the hate for this kid is a little hilarious
@andreysimeonov8356
@andreysimeonov8356 15 күн бұрын
I listened to the 40th Symphony, First Movement. Why these period-instrument fanatics always think that the way instruments were constructed in the 17th and 18th Century should also mean that music must be performed with them completely mechanically and drained of any emotional coloring?!
@poturbg8698
@poturbg8698 15 күн бұрын
I happened to like these performances, especially because some of the wind parts were more audible than usual. But those piano improvs (in the download) are embarrassing.
@robhaynes4410
@robhaynes4410 15 күн бұрын
Yet another Finnish conductor! I think we need a total and complete shutdown of Finnish conducting until we can figure out what is going on. Seriously, though, why sooooo many Finnish conductors in prominent positions? Are their academies really so prolific?
@stevepillemann9373
@stevepillemann9373 15 күн бұрын
I just saw the cover of the CD and I thought, oh who lets a baby conduct an orchestra?
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