Hi ZM, Thanks a whole latte for sharing your experience with the Pro X and for your patronage. Love the comparison to the Volvo reliably getting the job done. I'll second that comparing to the '99 Jeep Cherokee (with similar boxy look) handed down through my 3 daughters as their college car and finally put out to pasture in 2016 after 230K miles. Marc

Volvo and SAAB. Definitely agree 👍 And Stainless in my opinion is much more beautiful than black

@Sandy Shines try to find any washed Ethiopian if you’re into medium-light roasts. I drink Crown Street Roasting Company- v affordable and fast shipping

@Sandy Shines Just ask yourself if you're the kind of person that wants to be hands-on with coffee making. If you're a problem solver and enjoy having total control over the process. My shot count on this machine is so high because I have dumped dozens in the sink in trying to tweak and perfect it- which is absolutely the reason I bought a semi-auto. This is a hobby, and there are few better ways to start a sunny and warm Sunday morning like this one I can think of than just putting on a good album and making espressos. It's rewarding when you get that great shot, much more rewarding and definitely better tasting than a super auto could make- but you have to put in the time and enjoy doing it.

@Sandy Shines to be honest, sounds like you’ve got a pretty damn good life. Though if I worked from home I’d spend a whole lot more on beans to try. Good thing I’m kept out of it for work as often as I am. You definitely sound like the right personality for it. Thinking of it as investing in a hobby helps offset the time and costs for me. Don’t forget you’re going to need a hell of a grinder to pair with this though. The heavy hitters for single-dosing these days still remain the DF64 and Niche Zero- well worth your attention if you’re getting into semi-autos.

Hi Jeff, Well, thanks for the comment! We do our best to give as much detail as possible in our videos! Marc

It really is!

Vib pump...

Hey 80's, You are welocme and thanks for the comment! Marc

Hey Todd, 5 minutes away and you still service it? Tell me more. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage The person that asked to buy it knows when I bought it and has had the second most amount of pulls from Miss Silvia, second to me obviously. They knew that I wouldn't be impressed if they let the machine fall into disrepair or got really dirty. They know she can do awesome shots, but sometimes they let the machine get too dirty or stray from the dose or grind level. I will clean Silvia (descale) and re setup Rocky (my first grinder) but they owe me a bottle of wine, which we drink together. From 2009 to 2019, Silvia only needed a boiler gasket and the clips that break off the steam knob. I had extra clips I gave them. They moved up from a older Saeco Via Venezia that I PID modded. The Auber instructions were wrong, but since I PID modded Silvia, I knew what to do. Clumpy Rocky is a little bit of an issue because it involves a lot of prep after you grind which they are not doing. So I guess the grinder goes next. I am selling my Mazzer mini that I modified with super jolly burrs and carriers. I replaced the Mazzer because Marc convinced me to get a Ceado 37s...

@@Todd.T Wow, thanks for the detail! Sounds like a fair trade for the wine!!! Agree the Rocky is a bit clumpy, slow and limited by stepped adjustment. That E37S is at an entirely different level. It remains my go to grinder when I want things right - and I’m lucky to be able to choose from just about any grinder. Marc

Hi House, You are welcome - enjoy your new machine! Marc

Hi ADH, Thanks for the comment - here I am! Marc

@@1physics true, I meant to say at least it's more of a detailed Ad, lol

Hey Stefan, Thanks for sharing! Marc

Hi Aaron, Thanks for the comment! Marc

Hey p, Thanks for the comment - all about the detail! Marc

Hey Samuel, Thanks for sharing your experience, thoughts and of course your patronage! Dual boiler workflow is so much better! And, you went from an appliance to a machine - very nice upgrade! Agreed on the drip tray. Do have to stay on top of emptying. Marc

Hi mm, Thank you very much! It is a nice machine and good value compared other DB/PID machines. Marc

Hi Federico, Thanks for the comment. It is a definite step up from a regular Silvia! Marc

Hey o, My pleasure and thanbk you for the comment! Marc

Hey user, thanks for adding your thoughts on serviceability. All components are easily accessible which I appreciate. It's close, but our techs who service machines from many manufacturers give the edge to ECM/Profitec. Marc

@@WholelattelovepageThank you for your feedback. Looking at the insides of the corresponding Profitec Pro 300, I certainly find the Silvia Pro (X) easier to service. But in overall brand comparison I can follow

Hi Michael, Thanks for the comment sharing your thoughts! Marc

Hi EJ, Thanks for the comment - It's a first machine that could be your last! Marc

Hey w, Thanks for your patronage and the report! Marc

Hi Erlyn, You are welcome! Thank you for the kind comment and your patronage. I did say hi and passed your comment along to Aaron, Chris and Todd! Marc

Hi m, Thanks for the kind comment and your patronage - and congrats on your new machine! Marc

Hi, Congrat on the machine and thanks for your comment and question. Your machine should have come with the BWT Bestsave in reservoir filter. Be sure and use that as directed. You really do not want to have to descale a dual boiler. Rather difficult for a non-tech to do it right. So use water that will not create scale in the first place. Using the BWT as directed gets you there unless you have edge case water issues. The Bestsave requires 10 hours in the reservoir after adding water. So if you regularly go through more than a reservoir of water a day it's best to use other treatment option like BWT Aqualizer pitcher: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-aqualizer-2-6-l-pitcher-with-illuminated-baselight Also if you do not regularly take hot water from steam boiler for rinsing cups, Americano, etc. be sure and turn over a few cups every couple days of use. If you only use steam, over time minerals will concentrate in the boiler to point of causing scale even if using properly treated water. Hope that helps and enjoy your new machine! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you!!!so, Preventive maintenance of boliers is not necessary? I have read on other internet sites that normally, depending on the number of coffees per month, at least one descaling per year is usually done... hence my doubt. Thank you again!

@@user-ee9ed2mg1k Yes, so long as you feed good water!

Hi tms, Thanks for the comment! The Pro 500 is a fine machine! Agree on the drip tray - not good for procrastinators! Marc

Hoffmann just about lost it over the drip tray, that's a deal breaker for me, I'm a month in to owning an ECM Classika, zero regrets! To anyone who thinks it can't produce dry steam, RTFM.

Hi Stephanie, Thanks for sharing the love of your pink Pro X! Marc

Get the mod from Pantechnicon!

Hi Wake, Thanks for the comment! Marc

hi steph, thanks for your patience - I've been on vacation and offline for a couple weeks. Thanks for the comment and question. Unfortunately I'm not very familiar with the LSMV. It is listed as having copper and brass brew boiler and stainless steam boiler. Brass used in boilers all meet EU/US specs for lead. There is a fairly significant price difference between the machines. Both are very good machines so it may come down to how price and aesthetics factor into your decision. I have used the Pro X a lot and it has one of easiest control systems. It's not exactly a looker in my opinion - a bit more utilitarian. Hope that helps! Marc

Hi Louis, Thanks for the kind comment! The Pro X is a solid performer and a great value. Thanks for adding about the milk caking up. I actually did mention during my likes/dislikes towards the end of the video. You did watch until the end didn't you ;) Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage LOL, I thought I did. I totally missed that part :)

Heartwood pro x is one of the best looking machines in a long while.

@@scottbrasuell325 you are right we are thinking of getting the X and buying the steam knob drip try and bottomless portafilter handle from them to match our Niche wood!

Hey Scott, Thanks for the comment - I love to rock! Marc

Thanks 👍

Hi SS, That'll be a very nice upgrade! Marc

Hi m, Have not had the opportunity to do that one yet. I did some preliminary testing using a PF w/gauge and a valve to simulate water release like a Scace. Problem was the valve was too coarse in setting. Need a needle valve or tuned orifice or better yet a Scace which fits Gaggia groups. My preliminary testing with a coarse valve shows a much lower brew pressure than what the "jumpers" get as a static (no water release) pressure test. When I'm able to test and be confident in results I will report.

Hi MP, Thanks for the question. So there's a bit of a price difference. Taking cost out of the equation I'd go with the Pro 500 PID with flow control. The FC opens up a lot of possibilities for those who want to craft their espresso. The Pro X does have the soft pre-infusion but that does not come close to what one can do with FC. If on the other hand you're not super critical of your espresso the Pro X can crank out respectable shots. Marc

Hahahaha - I'd like to think I'm just a little more knowledgeable (okay a lot!) than a QVC talking head. Marc

Hey Ardy, Thank you! Cheers! Marc

HI D, I hear you, It is small in capacity and I prefer wire style drip tray covers.

Sure is! Now if the drip tray were a little bigger.

Hi nolan, Thanks for the comment and question. Also - Nice Gift! I agree with your opinion on aesthetics. The Magica has a more classic look. As a dual boiler, the Silvia Pro X has independent control of boiler temperatures. The Magica uses a heat-exchange boiler so changing the brew temperature changes steam pressure. The Silvia heats up faster with the ring boiler compared to the Magica with E61. The Magica's construction and finish quality is better. I appreciate the Magica's larger drip tray. Hope that helps! Marc

It has a shot timer but your are correct about the non insulated steam wand.

@@caffeinemomma9897 you’re right. I meant programmable timer on the Elizabeth

Hey, man. This was my dilemma as well. Personally I've seen a whole lot more Lelit maintenance problems on forums than I have Rancilio issues. Not to mention the amount of plastic in the Elizabeth turned me way off. Yes, it can do more... but it has to cost you something. I don't regret my decision whatsoever. Honestly, I'd be more inclined to get an E61 style machine with flow control over the Elizabeth if I wanted that level of control. ECM Classika or Synchronika

@@zm6658 thanks for the feedback!

Hi Philip, @Z M has some excellent input here. Glad the shot timer confusion was straightened out. Marc

Hi kn, You are welcome. The Pro 500 has a more refined build quality with better finishing, E61 brew group, larger drip tray and classic Italian style look. It's a heat-exchange boiler machine so can brew and steam simultaneously but does not have individual control of brew temps and stem temp/pressure. The Silvi Pro X is a dual boiler machine so does have individual control of boiler temps. It uses a ring group brew boiler which is mounted above the group. Build quality is not as refined and it's a more complex design using 2 vibration pumps. It offers a lot of features for the price and is one of the least costly dual boiler machines. If you are looking for value the Pro X has a lot to offer. That said, I personally prefer the Pro 500 for the upgraded build quality and more classic design with E61 group. The smaller drip tray of the Silvia Pro X can be annoying for some users in daily use. Hope that helps! Marc

I truly appreciate your reply. Thank you so much sir :). Glad both are equal in performance. Which one is easier to repair or service if they go south? This is my selling point. At my place I don't have any specialist service center for any espresso machine. I have to buy the parts and fix it myself.

Hi JC, Thats correct. Set hours from current time you want machine to turn on. This has to be done manually each time you want to use the function. Marc

Hi JM, You are welcome and thank you for the kind comment and question. The pressure does not matter before pressing the brew switch. Your only concern is the temperature indicated on the display. If it's at your setting, you're good to go. Pressure is sensed deep in the hydraulic circuit and behind a check valve. When the machine is not brewing the gauge may show residual pressure in the circuit. That reading has nothing to do with pressure in the boilers or what your brew pressure will be when making espresso. As you've found turning the pump on/off quickly will change the reading on the gauge. Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for the speedy response! You guys are wonderful! (Also good to know I don’t need to worry about it. )

Hi chris, Thanks for sharing your user impressions! Marc

Hi John, thanks for the question. I have not confirmed that it's as simple as changing that setting to operate a machine built for use in 110V standard countries for use in 220V areas. There may be other component differences internally.

Hi DO, Thanks for the kind comment and question. If you're at 15 seconds to 1st drip most likely issue is your grind is too fine. Here's a video on dialing in grind size which should help: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oLWJaqdhl9SYc6s.html Marc

Hey bob, Thanks for the comment and your patronage! I just checked and the smart plug does work. The machine retains all settings when physically disconnected from power source. You might be interested in our Silvia Pro X Setup and First Use video my colleague Brian and I live streamed the other day: kzfaq.infoIrylfKLgLR8 Enjoy your new machine! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for the quick reply Marc. I've already watched the linked video and its great as well.

Hi AA, Thanks for the comment! Steam pressure is well under 1.9 bar but steaming performance is quite good on this machine with the well balanced 4 hole tip. The Breville is more an appliance grade product with lots of plastic and proprietary parts. Nearest competitor with a similar form factor and specs is the Profitec Pro 300. It's a dual boiler with PID of the brew boiler and similar boiler over group design: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-pro-300-dual-boiler-espresso-machine Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Which of the two would you recommend? Silvia pro vs pro300?

Hi J, Well, thanks for the love! 1. I have not specifically measured actual recovery time. But, in making videos I have pulled back to back to back shots with grinding, tamping, etc prep in between and the machine indicates it's back up to temp by the time I've loaded up for the next shot. 2. Not sure exactly what you mean. Can't run the boilers dry as the pump will stop when water gets low in reservoir. One can empty the steam boiler by heating machine up, then turning off and opening the steam wand until boiler drains. But that's not something you'd do unless emptying to store the machine or totally turn over water in the boiler. 3. The Silvia's group is mounted over the boiler which transfers heat to the group head. I have measured thermal stability and it's very good. E61 runs a thermosiphon so water constantly circulates from the boiler out to the group and back to the boiler. E61 also has a soft pre-infusion built in. Hope that helps! Marc

Thank you very much!!....Finally, two more questions: 1- With the machine off, how long does it take the machine to heat up and be ready to make coffee? 20 minutes?...30 min?? 2-Does it have an OPV control to be able to adjust the pressure for extraction?...or it's possible to adjust somehow? Thanks a lot.

Hi Tom, Standby cuts boiler heating. You can turn off the steam boiler if just doing coffee to save some energy. I have not measured the energy consumption of the Silvia Pro X. I have done other machines with similar boiler sizes. For example an ECM Mechanika Max used .88KWh When heated from cold 2 times and turned off 90 minutes after each heat up with 2 lattes made during each ON period. At electric rate of $0.168/KWh total cost was about 15 cents. My guess is it would have consumed a similar amount of power if it were just left on for several hours. Marc

Hi evdorn, Thanks for the question and your patronage! You are correct you do not want to run 0ppm water in your machine - it's such a good solvent it can cause corrosion of metal. Also, 0ppm water with no minerals results in flat flavor. You can use third party options to remineralize your RO. If your tap water is safe to drink and does not have edge case issues like high gypsum content we recommend filtration/treatment options from BWT Water & More. They exchange magnesium for calcium in your tap water. You end up with water that will not cause scale in your machine and has the mineral level needed for good flavor extraction. In the log run, these options are likely less expensive and more convenient than RO + remin. All the BWT options linked here use calcium to magnesium ion-exchange and have activated carbon to remove chlorination and other chemicals. For reservoir fed machines I personally use the Penguin Pitcher. The Bestcup filter mounts in the reservoir and treats water as it is used. The Bestsave pad filters drop into the reservoir and take 8-12 hours of contact time to treat water so not a good option if you go through more than a reservoir of water per day. *Penguin Pitcher: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-penguin-2-7-l-water-pitcher Bestcup M package: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestcup-m-package Bestasave Pad: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestsave-m-anti-scale-filter *note the Penguin Pitcherr will become the BWT Aqualizer soon but has sema specs and uses same filter cartridge. Hope that helps and enjoy your new machine! Marc

Hi sg, Well... With enough skill, time and money anything is possible but I doubt there's enough room to mount a rotary pump within the case. Beyond that one would need to rework all the control systems. Likely better off to go with a dual boiler that comes original with a rotary pump. Marc

HI Philip, The capillary tube for pressure gauge is fairly deep in the system and not far from the pump. If you want 9 bar on your coffee on the Silvia Pro X you should set the OPV to produce 12 bar on the gauge when running the pump with a blind filter basket in place. Based on your question you might be interested in this video in which I explore brew pressure on vibration pump machines and why gauges often do and should read higher than 9 bar. Brew pressure on the Silvia Pro X is covered in the video including how to adjust. There's also a Scace test reading pressure in the group during a simulated extraction and comparing pressure there to reading on the Pro X gauge: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kJh0gbpov7zTnJs.html Enjoy! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Actually, I'm thinking about modding a Silvia Pro, to install a pressure gauge and a dimmer to the brew pump so that I'll be able to pressure/flow profile. I would take the machine to a whole new level hahah

Interesting - good luck!

Hi there. The glassware is from the Vero line by notNeutral. Here are some links : www.wholelattelove.com/products/notneutral-vero-3oz-espresso-glass-smoke www.wholelattelove.com/products/notneutral-vero-4-5-oz-cortado-glass-smoke www.wholelattelove.com/products/notneutral-vero-6oz-cappuccino-glass-smoke www.wholelattelove.com/products/notneutral-vero-12oz-latte-glass-smoke

Hi im, Thanks for the comment. The machine is made in Italy. Marc

Hi DB, To the best of knowledge all manufacturers currently meet lead standards for US and EU. In the past some brass did have lead content but products were treated to protect from leaching. I brought up lead when I visited Bezzera in Italy a few years back. They, like other manufacturers have switched to using newer brass formulations to eliminate any question of lead issue.

Hi HUV, We are currently working our way through an extensive list of support videos so at some point we will have more maintenance/ care content for the Pro X. Your supplier is giving yout the line of most dual boiler manufacturers saying the machies should only be descaled by a pro. They do this as neglected machines with scale build up can be problematic. Descaling negleted machine can cause scale particles to dislodge from one area and plug another. Honestly kind of surprised Rancilio support suggested following instructions for single boiler - but if that's what they advised then go with it. Nice this machine has the boiler draining function built in which should help. Of course the best thing you can do is feed the machine with water that's unlikely to cause scale in the first place. The BWT filter included with the machine can do that when used properly. Another tip: Turn over water in the steam boiler from time to time. If you take out a cup or two of hot water very day or two that's fine. Just warming cups or making Americanos is enough. If you only ever take steam out of the boiler mineral concentrations will rise over time even if using treated water. Hope that helps for now! Marc

Hi P, Thanks for the love and question. First, know the Giotto and Mozzafiato V's are identical internally. Only difference is the outer case. In most (probably all) markets the Rocket machines are significantly more expensive than the Silvia Pro X. Depends on what's important to you. The Rocket machines use a heat exchange boiler. With that, adjusting brew temperature also changes steaming pressure. The Pro X is a dual boiler so changing brew temp has no impact on steam boiler temp/pressure. Dual boiler machines tend to produce more consistent brew temps. Some user do prefer the E61 group of Rocket machines to the ring boiler/group of the Pro X. Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Yes it help a lot :) I was wondering (one thing to add on my confusion haha) How much difference on the cup there is with a silvia pro x and another dual boiler like QUICK MILL QM67 or Matrix MN. My price range is 1,5k to 2.3k. And my retailer that will give me a voucher for refund the Lelit PL91T, have the 3 machine listed before, the QM67 and the matrix on the top price range. Thank you very much for all the videos, we see your love for the coffee world and your knowledge it's always a bless :)

Hi LM, you’re welcome and thanks for the kind words! It ma be a little overkill But have to balance that with workflow considerations and more stable brewing temps. Waiting for steam temp and cooling down the boiler after steaming may become tiring on the Classic. No waiting or cooling down on the Silvia Pro X. You could be waiting and cooling down 1000 times per year for years. Is the $$ saving worth it? Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you Mark. Must say, the temperature surfing and cooling down every time you use the steamer, is a huge problem for me. Just one more question please. How long does it take to pull the 1st shot (maybe with a flush)? Also time to steam please.

@@lama8198 I bought the original Silvia Pro when it first came out about three years ago while wirking from home during Covid. Having the double boiler and a local service distributor were the defining issues for me. That has been a very good machine for me. Recently stayed with a friend that has the original Silvia unit (single boiler) for a few days while having a flooring project done. That convinced me I made the right choice to go for the double boiler system. I found waiting for the boiler to recharge before steaming milk was frustrating (as I’m now spoiled). Additionally, if I was in a two or more person household, I’d consider the dual boilers an absolute must.

Hi B, yes, the Silvia Pro X has 2 vibration pumps. You can see them here during the internal tour section of the video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l86irNtlsdmvkpc.html Marc

Hi Scott, Thanks for the question. It's about 5 minutes for the brew boiler to reach operating temperature. Following that the steam/service boiler heats. It was 6 minutes for that boiler to reach 212F/100C and then 2 more minutes to reach full temp in the boiler. In total, 13 minutes. Marc

Hi BT, Tough call right? Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=NjY1MTQyNzg0ODI0NiwxNTQ1OTk4Nzk0ODEx Very similar machines with the boiler over group design. I prefer the PID control location and ease of use of the Silvia. Size of drip tray is a consideration though. I like the finishing of the Pro 300 over the Silvia and larger drip tray. Marc

Hi PL, Most likely.

Hi JIB, It is interesting! I don't know washing machines like I do coffee machines but happy to report I successfully DIY replaced a freeze damaged 5 solenoid valve tree in my washer a few years back and saved a bunch of $$. Using air pressure to sense water in the reservoir was something I had not seen until the first Silvia Pro. A little skeptical at first as it was new to me but works like a charm! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Marc, thank you for taking a moment to respond to my comment. Your commitment to customer service is amazing.

Hi Tony, Thanks for the kind comment. It should do okay. Understand the Silvia Pro X is technically not a commercial rated machine. One stumbling point is the drip tray which is rather small. Do take a look at the Bezzera BZ13 for your application. It is NSF commercial rated. The DE version of the BZ13 has programmable dosing, so push a button the shot pulls and stops automatically so you can put your attention elsewhere for faster workflow. I love the drip tray of the BZ13! It's a wire style so less mess and a lot bigger than the Silvia's. BZ13 heats up very quickly and it has an electrically heated group head which should provide more stable brew temps for back to back extractions. Also comes in 3 body colors for visual impact. Check out my review of the BZ13 in this video from a few weeks ago: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/erOSdsp3lpuZZHk.html Hope that helps! Marc

Hi Big P, Steam tip hole count is a personal preference. When tips have more holes the holes are usually smaller than tips with fewer holes. Some users may find more vigorous mixing of milk and more uniform texture with higher hole counts. It comes down to technique of the user. Do it right, and one can get excellent froth quality regardless of hole count. Marc

I was considering this machine strongly until I saw that drip tray. Now I'm leaning towards profited pro 300

Hi SS, Thanks for the question. Either could serve you well. Silvia Pro X heats faster if that's a concern. I personally prefer the style of the Pro 500 but that's subjective. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc, thanks for the reply! I absolutely love how fancy and sleek Profitec machines look! They are gorgeous! I ender up getting Silvia Pro X because I want to use it for 15 years plus 😬

Hi GZ, The machine should be heated/at pressure when draining the boilers using the F.03 and F.04 features. When you start the machine again the boilers will refill automatically.

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks , Mark!

Hi Martyn, Thanks for the question. Yes, the power switch on the machine is mechanical so it should work. Just be sure the smart plug is rated to handle the power requirements of the machine. Marc

Hi SF, On the Pro X you have a dedicated boiler with a much larger volume than the single boiler original Silvia so more steaming power! While the original Silvia steaming doesn't compare to commercial or prosumer level home machines I've seen plenty of good latte art using the machine. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks, good to know. But I beg to differ on the regular Silvia. You can't do great latte art on it, only meh

Your best bet is to get a precision basket. IMS, VST, or Pullman precision baskets are generally the best. I use an 18 gram VST basket with my Gaggia Classic Pro.

Hi mr x, You are welcome. Here's the BaristaPro 22g made by IMS which I use regularly and featured in the video: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baristapro-22g-nanotech-precision-portafilter-basket Marc

Hey chanala, Thanks for the questions... See this section of the video for information on the steam boiler: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l86irNtlsdmvkpc.html On the Pro X you can have leave the steam boiler on all the time! If you turn the machine off with the steam boiler on, the next time you turn the machine on the steam boiler will be on. That way you do not have to turn the boiler on every time you turn the machine on. This is likely how the vast majority of users do it. You can set your preferred steam boiler temp under the "T2" setting. That's covered at about 8 minutes into this video. The Silvia Pro X will heat the brew boiler first then the steam boiler if the machine is turned on with the steam boiler on. Once the brew boiler is up to temp, power alternates between maintaining temp in the brew boiler and heating the steam boiler. Once both are up to temp short pulses of energy alernate between the boiler as need to maintain temp in each. Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Excellent, thank you. For those who wonder, it took three minutes for the brew boiler to go from 65F to 203F. The steam boiler took a total of 11 minutes from start (with steam switch on from start). If the Pro X heats up the brew boiler first, simple math states it took seven minutes for the steam boiler to heat up from 65F. As long as the steam boiler was set to on from start (which should be how it goes), there shouldn't be a problem as the entire machine warm up time should be well over 11 minutes (20 for my Miss Silvia).

Hi Steve, Thanks for the question. The hours set are hours from the time of setting so it's not a specific time of day like 7am. So yes, it requires manual calculation.

@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for the reply... Your answer leads me to believe we would have to set that next turn on time each day which could become tedious fast. IF the machine also had a turn-off time and retained the turn on span time it could be a one time setting. Hopefully, Rancillio understanding the benefit of a full timer that would turn on each day and off at specific times since this is my main reason for wanting to update my Sylvia classic. Another question; is there only pink ones available? Seems maybe a supply chain issue like everyone is facing these days.

@@SteveGuluk Yes, it needs to be set each time for number of hours from present time you want the machine to turn on. As a work around, you can use an appliance timer rated to handle the machines power load to turn on/off. WiFi timers are great for this with ability to run multiple schedules and operate remotely. Perhaps we'll see an update from Rancilio but it would likely require a new UI/display. Yes, only the pink Pro X's in stock at the moment. Hope to have the others back in soon. Supply chain issues for sure. Marc

Hey JL, Thanks for the comment - been awhile since I've done the beard! If friend is a Rancilio fan I'd def go with the Pro X! Of course there's a big price difference but much nicer workflow with dual boiler vs single if he does anything more than random milk drinks. Marc

Hey rj, yes it does. It's to the left of the group head. Marc

Hi m, Yes switchable. Original Pro came with need to set for use on US power. Pro X comes out of the box set to US power for machines here. Marc

Hi steve, Silvia and machines with similar design are faster warming up than most larger machines like those with E61 groups. The Pro X is ready to go in about 13 minutes from turn on. Those E61 group dual boilers need 25 minutes or more for full warmup. Marc

Hey Woke, Thanks for the comment. If it works do it. It's been my experience that darker roasts and coffee well beyond initial freshness do better in general with less pre-infusion and more aggressive flow and pressure at the start and then taper as the extraction progresses. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Ohh I see - if I do aggressive pressure at the start that definitely raises my chances of channeling on the Flair. I like a 2-4 second ramp-up pressure profile, then keeping it steady at 8 bars or so. I guess automatic espresso machines are different beasts but there's a lot of interesting experimentation enabled by the manual lever tools like Flair

@@Wholelattelovepage these are the comments I love in your videos. Comments that share all the coffee experience you have gathered to us, your viewers

Hey Kats, Thanks for your support! Marc

Not sure if it is the same issue, but I also have a Silvia Pro (original version, not the X) that I bought about three years ago when they first came out. I thought my timer did not work, but was told by my local distributor that the first iteration machines only came with a 12-hr timer and I was trying to set times between 12-24 hours. My distributor upgraded my unit to the 24-hr timer and it has worked great ever since.

Hi pp, Amazing is possible under $2K. The Silvia Pro X is an option. Also check out the Pro 500 PID with Flow control at just slightly over www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-pro-500-pid-espresso-machine-with-flow-control Or the Bezzera BZ13: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-bz13-pm Marc

Hi user, thanks for adding your comments. The "softening" of the BWT Bestsave pad works by exchanging calcium ions in source water with magnesium ions. It also includes activated carbon for removal of chlorination and other chemicals. Residence time is required for this process so the Bestsave pad is not a good option for those who go through more than a reservoir full of water per day. The filter does in fact treat/reduce alkalinity. Taste test have shown calcium and magnesium are much better flavor extractors than the sodium used in traditional water softening. Replacing scale causing calcium with magnesium maintains flavor extraction characteristics. The BWT Penguin pitcher or Bestcup (an inline in-reservoir system) are excellent options for those who cannot plumb in a machine and use inline filtration or go through more than 1 reservoir of water a day. Both of those options use the same calcium to magnesium ion exchange and include particle filtration as well as activated carbon. When used as directed scale will not form in machines and the mineral level is maintained (magnesium) for good flavor. BWT Penguin: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-penguin-2-7-l-water-pitcher BWT Bestcup: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestcup-m-package

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for your insights! Some other party's in-depth tests of these in-reservoir-cartridges show that e. g. Jura Claris and Brita Intenza are clearly superior to BWT Best Cup. At least, the BWT is attachable to the Silvia Pro (X)'s hoses, maybe the Brita also? Jura Claris unfortunately is not. About filter pads: When placed in the water reservoir, they are constantly and slowly exchanging ions. Depending on the input water, it may take something between half of a day and 100 (!) hours to reduce the overall hardness to an appropriate level (but not stop here). This is why I call them 'not suitable' for our application. Besides being not controlable by the user in any reasonable way, it does not suit the typical use case: Whenever the reservoir is empty, refill and keep using the machine directly after. Certainly not recommended here. About alkalinity, I second your insight. Yes, BWT Bestsafe will reduce it. Here I was wrong

Hi Pete, It's made in Italy. There may be a some components manufactured in other countries.

Hi g, Thanks for the question. Not my first machine choice for that kind of volume but it should be able to handle that load with boiler recovery by the time you grind up and load for the next brew. Marc

Hi Wolf, I cannot render an opinion as I have not used the BB. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage will you though in the future?

@@greenwolf2299 Honestly think it's unlikely but one never knows for sure! Marc

Hi Cinnarey, Also has the higher capacity portafilter and filter basket.

@@Wholelattelovepage also allegedly a much quieter pump, which was a bit of a flop

Its a different machine and it is still great value. You'll be hard pressed to find a machine with the capabilities of this machine for the same price. It has a dual boiler, dual PID, pressure gauge, and timed soft preinfusion. The Appartamento isn't a dual boiler machine, its a heat exchanger iirc. Different system that is generally cheaper than dual boilers.

Hi an, Thanks for clarifying! the difference between the single boiler Silvia and dual boiler Silvia Pro X. Similar look but very different with more efficient workflow and superior temperature accuracy. Marc

Hi Scott, Thanks for the comment. The Rocket Appartamento is near the price of the Silvia Pro X. Compared to the Pro X it has the E61 group, larger drip tray, no burn wand and might win style points. The Appartamento is a heat exchange boiler machine with temps controlled by a pressurestat so nowhere near the temperature accuracy of the Pro X with PID. With dual boilers in the Pro X one can control steam pressure without affecting brew temps. In HX boiler machines changing steam pressure will change your brew temperatrure. Changing brew temps on an HX machine controlled by pressurestat involves some guesswork and experience using timed flushes prior to pulling a shot. Marc

I'm between the Rancilio Silvia pro x and the profitec 400, I prefer to drink espresso although sometimes I prepare drinks with milk. Since I don't know many of the specifications, which one would you recommend? Muy grinder is The mignon libra

Hi J-PC, yes! Available here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/rancilio-bottomless-portafilter Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Nice, do you ship to Canada ?

Google says $1870 - $1895.

Thanks for the catch! In the description now or see it here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/rancilio-silvia-pro-x-dual-boiler-espresso-machine-in-black

Hi, The machine I have runs on 120v/60hz

@@Wholelattelovepage Do you sell 220v, 60hz of it?

@@user-pb8jy9iw2b Version we have is setup for US standard 120v

Good question!

Coming from Lelit Bianca I (theoretically) 'downgraded' to Silvia Pro X. Bianca has no burn wands with the 'benefit' of somewhat stiff, gristly feeling when moving the wands. I never liked moving the wands. With Silvia Pro X, moving the wands is absoloutely smooth. Mostly relevant to the steam wand. I really enjoy it as it is. Being non-no burn might also do a good for better steam performance. Bottom line is, I never miss 'no burn' in practical use - for me it's the opposite. Just grap the wand by the rubber piece, it's intuitive