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Review: The WORST Ever Brahms Third Symphony

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The Ultimate Classical Music Guide by Dave Hurwitz

The Ultimate Classical Music Guide by Dave Hurwitz

Күн бұрын

We've sampled the best in this symphony. Now learn which version takes the prize for absolute worst performance in the history of recorded sound. I won't keep you in suspense, It's Leopold Stokowsky and the Houston Symphony on Everest, Surprised?

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@alanbecker2569
@alanbecker2569 4 жыл бұрын
As a music reviewer myself I had to mention the great pleasure I get from viewing your presentations. No, I do not agree with everything you say, and find that you miss some of my favorites, but that is to be expected. You obviously receive great pleasure in preparing and presenting these comments. I must comment, however, on your choice for worst piece of music. I rather enjoyed the Djabadary piece that received your damnation. Surely Beethoven's Wellington's Victory, or Grofe's Piano Concerto, or anything by Carter, Wourinen would qualify as a better choice rather than old Djabadary. (Becker--American record Guide).
@ralphbruce1174
@ralphbruce1174 3 жыл бұрын
I am so curious, I had to listen to this Brahms Third. With it there is a Brahms First conducted by William Steinberg that justify me to keep the disc.
@shantihealer
@shantihealer 4 жыл бұрын
Nirvana and sensory deprivation ... ha ha! I don't know that recording but I have Stokowski's Brahms 4 live from the Royal Albert Hall, 1974. Maybe the same description applies but I find it a wonderful experience, serene, glowing, ethereal with a real sense of occasion and inspiration.
@kend.6797
@kend.6797 4 жыл бұрын
Whew!! I thought you were going to pick the Norrington/London Classical Players. I have not heard the Stoki (I try not to listen to his recordings!), but my curiosity has been piqued!
@markmiller3713
@markmiller3713 4 жыл бұрын
Norington is such a joke. He makes Gustavo Dudamel seem like a competent conductor.
@brianwang1156
@brianwang1156 4 жыл бұрын
mark miller Totally agreed!
@williamhicks2299
@williamhicks2299 4 жыл бұрын
Mr. Hurwitz, What IS it about this magnificent work that is so elusive to bring off successfully by most great conductors? In addition to the ghastly Stokowski and Furtwangler performances, I would cite the Toscanini/NBC as one of the worst ever. It would be interesting to know which performances you like of this work. If my memory is not faulty, I remember liking Szell, Jochum/Berlin, Karajan/Vienna, Klemperer, Walter (both NYP and Columbia Symphony), and Cantelli. I also like Steinberg's Brahms, but don't remember what his Third sounded like. I haven't heard Carl Schuricht's, but he is such a great musician I bet his performance probably sweeps the field.
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 4 жыл бұрын
If you want to know which ones I like best, check out that video!
@oskarapeta2895
@oskarapeta2895 4 жыл бұрын
I was guessing that you will be talking about Mitropoulos's live recording (it was published by Orfeo label) - he does the same comedy of "stop and go" in the first movement. As for Stoki - I'm not sure if his Tchaikovsky's 4th with the NBC from 1940s is not even more grotesque than this Brahms.
@DavesClassicalGuide
@DavesClassicalGuide 4 жыл бұрын
That's fun Stokowski--there was a live one on Music and Arts (I forget from when) that was even more nuts.
@oskarapeta2895
@oskarapeta2895 4 жыл бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuide wasn't it the 1965 recording from Tokio coupled with 5th and 6th? There is also a studio version with ASO (1971) - more normal, with great Stokowski sound 😉
@b1i2l336
@b1i2l336 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you about the Stokowski, and would add the Furtwängler and Haitink as other disasters.
@iyadkanaan5991
@iyadkanaan5991 2 жыл бұрын
I highly value your exceptional musical culture and approach. But above all I highly value the humour that comes with it.
@curseofmillhaven1057
@curseofmillhaven1057 4 жыл бұрын
I know this is a bit off tangent, but it is Stokowski related. I've been listening to his Everest recording of Tchiakovsky"s Francesca da Rimini and Hamlet, and does anyone know more info about the Stadium Symphony Orchestra of New York? They sound fantastic here, and I believe they were a pickup band, maybe including members of the New York Phil?
@curseofmillhaven1057
@curseofmillhaven1057 4 жыл бұрын
@anotherglazunovfan many thanks for the info - I'd presumed it was something like that. I must say they are terrific performances (Everest have some gems - Susskind's Chout with the LSO is excellent too). Thanks again.
@LyleFrancisDelp
@LyleFrancisDelp Жыл бұрын
The NY Stadium Sym was basically the NYP’s summer festival title. Everest used this title, as the NYP was under contract to another recording company. In short, it was the NYP.
@stradivariouspaul1232
@stradivariouspaul1232 3 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of my worst recording of Brahms 3, Bernard Haitink with LSO live, utterly soulless and missing any drama. I bought it for the serenade no 2 which is quite good, but I've had to find another version so I could remove it from my collection, I hate it so!
@martinhochbaum8936
@martinhochbaum8936 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing this car crash of a performance to my attention...what were they thinking?
@nihilistlemon1995
@nihilistlemon1995 2 жыл бұрын
It is really worst than Cobra's half tempo recording ? Hard to believe
@user-vt5yz8xi9g
@user-vt5yz8xi9g Жыл бұрын
The pantheon of disastrous 3rds has to include Zubin Mehta and the NYP from 1984 - what a mess.
@williamwhittle216
@williamwhittle216 4 жыл бұрын
Not an easy work to put across. Guess the old Wizard had an off day!👺
@bernardohanlon3498
@bernardohanlon3498 4 жыл бұрын
David, may I nominate Rattle's B3 with the Berlin Phil and the exposition (and repeat) of the first movement? Welcome to Droop City. B
@davidgoulden5956
@davidgoulden5956 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Bernard. Been reading your Amazon reviews with great pleasure for years. Anyone who loves Mozart, Schumann, Karajan, and Kempff, AND is fascinated by the Wehrmacht is all right by me. Best wishes, David.
@bernardohanlon3498
@bernardohanlon3498 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidgoulden5956 David, thanks for the generous message - even if I would widen your comment to include the Eastern Front per se and the mighty Red Army. Best wishes, B
@davidgoulden5956
@davidgoulden5956 3 жыл бұрын
@@bernardohanlon3498Point taken about the Ostfront and the Red Army, Bernard. Best wishes for Christmas and 2021. D.
@andreashelling3076
@andreashelling3076 4 жыл бұрын
For me Toscanini is one of the worst Brahms interpreters, its so hard and without warmth...
@andreashelling3076
@andreashelling3076 4 жыл бұрын
Furtwängler has the magic for Brahms and the third is no exception, have just heard his later live version
@etucker82
@etucker82 4 жыл бұрын
The second I saw the title I said to myself 'Stokowski.' Sigh of relief you agree.
@marcmurat3776
@marcmurat3776 4 жыл бұрын
😂 You make me too laugh
@giacomofirpo2477
@giacomofirpo2477 4 жыл бұрын
Ah ah ah! Great! Yes of course Stokowski wasn't made for Brahms...apart that Brahms' third symphony is the best among the four symphonies he composed...anyway, if you want another monstruosity, atrocious and awful, try to listen to Knappertsbusch...really a listener can save NOTHING of his performance!
@jefolson6989
@jefolson6989 3 жыл бұрын
Strange from a strange man. BUT Stokie did a live Brahms 1st with the LSO that is one if my favorite versions. I like very little from this conductor, but I defend this one recording. Hard to find on youtube, but check it out.
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