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The crossover we need! Now we just need Zack, Ari and Ryan to do an adventure episode together. It'd be the best motorcycle related content on youtube.

The whole "marketing to non motorcyclists" is exactly how Honda became the largest motorcycle manufacturer in the world. Their "You meet the nicest people on a Honda" campaign that featured people from all walks of life riding the clean and non-intimidating Cub literally made them sell more than any other motor vehicle in history. Such an approach from an electric motorcycle company can really change the game.

"Where's my eGrom?" - RF9 From your mouth to the House of Soichiro's ears, good sir.

Ryan is my favorite guest. He flows so well you guys. Fits right into the crew.

It's awesome this came out when it did because I'm vacationing in Taiwan and just got to see swappable battery stations. A guy pulled his scooter up, popped his seat, yoinked his battery, held a card up to a reader and swapped his dead one for a fully charged one, tossed in the bike and took off. The whole exchange took him well under a minute.

Hey guys I wanted to give you the perspective on this topic on my city, Barcelona (Spain). We've seen an increase of more than 47% on electric bike sales on the last year compared to the previous one. Most of the sale are from moto sharing companies (sort of a subscription service on renting a vehicle), there's more than 7 different, and competing, companies on the same city. More numbers: we have at least 10 companies building electric motorcycles in Spain and over 75.000 of these vehicles driving right now in the whole country. Here the electric motorcycle is marketed as a cheap, easy to use, no eco friendly restrictions, go around town type of vehicle, and it works.

My e-bike was the gateway-drug into motorcycles for me. Wanted more speed, more torque (to get my fat-behind up hills), and more versatility. So at 47yrs old I find myself a late-motorcycle enthusiast all a result of a drop-shipped e-bike.

Ryan F9 nailed it at the 50min mark. Electric pedal bike is the way to go. No big ass mega helmets. You can lift it with ease. Easy to load in the car. No insurance. No lic. No headaches of where to park it. 200 watt solar panel is all you need to charge it. We can finally give the finger to the middle east. Goes 28mph. 30 down a hill. You will actually sneak around town faster then any car. You will also just be going out a lot more in general because you can decide to not put in any work and just chill and use the twist throttle. But you can put in the work and get a murder burn bike workout if you want. Save your money and get a $999 Lectric 3.0 e-bike with passenger package (small additional cost) and you got exactly what any motorcycle can do. Anything above that price point is just giving away money for free. Did I mention it folds in half? Just do it meme.

Only "Fifteen hundred kilowatts?" That sounds about right. F9 should do some more videos with his 2000 hp bike!😀

It blew my mind that Talaria or Sur-Ron weren't mentioned in this discussion. I'd say they're in the Sondor class of E-bikes and are HUGELY POPULAR. And like the Stark Varg another promising start up Rivid Anthem is supposedly coming to market right about now.

I am SO excited for the Kawasaki line of electrics (and especially the hybrids) announced at AICMA in November. Once the big Japanese brands break into the market, electric bikes will finally have a chance.

Ryan should be a regular segment! Well done. Thank you 🙏

The thing that stands out on the Long Way Up documentary was the pre-production Rivian support vehicles ended up stealing a portion of the charging infrastructure attention when they charged the motorcycles off the trucks. The motorcycle batteries were so small figuring out how to charge ended up a big part of the story. Rivian gained a lot of positive exposure in a show that was supposed to be motorcycle focused, ultimately making electric motorcycles look not ready for real world use outside of charging from your own garage.

'23 Zero FXE owner here (1500miles ridden and only had my M1 license since May '23) For me with a Tundra and a permanently mounted FourWheelCamper, the Zero was my perfect daily. I have about a 50mile round trip daily commute with about 15miles on street (30-50mph) and 35 on highway (65-80pmh) and my FXE does it with 20% charge remaining. I ran the numbers and with the cost of financing and insurance, I'm saving almost $200 a month on gas. Just bought a rack, and top case and that ~$300 will pay for itself in less than a year now that I can use the bike to go surf, shopping, etc. without having to start my big honking 5.7L V8 for such short drives that the engine doesn't even warm up fully. Very happy currently.

I am just back from 2000 miles touring mostly in France on an Enerica. Typically 250 miles in a day with an overnight charge and two 20 minute stops during the day. One disappointment of France is that they haven't realized that charging stations should be near refreshment opportunities so some of my planned cafe stops ended up being a snack by the bike in the middle of an industrial estate.

I own an HD Livewire and I am lucky to have some great twisty/hilly roads that start within two miles of my house, ie. I don't have to travel far for my adventure to begin. With regen, I am seeing over 125 miles range, even when I am beating on it. I love it and the bike is insanely great. Of course, when I get back home, I can park the bike in the garage and charge it back up. For longer trips, I have used DC fast chargers, but truth be told, my Livewire is largely used for local rides of 80-100 miles (round trip). The challenge with the urban environment, for all EVs really, is that these vehicles are far less convenient if you can't charge at your home. Public charging, even in our cities, is a real pain point. Ebikes are better suited for city dwellers, because you can take the battery up to your apartment to charge and often get the whole bicycle in the door. A full size electric motorcycle is not a great option if you're relying on public chargers.

14:47 1500 kW (equivalently 1.5 Megawatts) is a little over 2000 bhp. Quite a lot for a TC90 😁

I just completed the MABDR on my modified LiveWire One. I was accompanied by another electric motorcycle rider, Kevin Edwards on his 2021 Zero DSR. His wife, Amy Edwards, was with us on her WR250. We rode 1200 miles in 7 days, South to North. Video is currently being edited.

Energica has come a long way since 2019. You need to try the later models. The Experia rocks :)

India has a very optimistic electric 2 wheeler market building up. There are thousands of people in our big cities choosing electric scooters over regular gas vehicles and most major manufacturers have a presence in this segment doing decent sales.

Love Ryan!!!! First of these I’ve watched and I clicked only because I love and respect his content so much.

I just pre-ordered Fuell Fllow for $10,000. If it holds up to the specs they have on their website now and has the same build quality that older Buell bikes had, I think this will be the answer people wanted for the perfect mid range electric motorcycle that actually offers something better than traditional motorcycles for several key reasons. 1) The 0-60mph acceleration of a superbike (under 4 seconds). 2) Highway capable top speed (80mph sustained). 3) A price on par with a typical 500cc motorcycle (under $12,000). 4) Better built-in and secure storage space than a typical scooter (enough for a full face helmet with room to spare). 5) City range that is over 100 miles (will probably be about 75 miles on highway, which is all you need for a commuter motorcycle, this is not a touring bike and no EV motorcycle will be). 6) A host of premium features lacking in traditional bikes at this price range, reverse, GPS tracking, traction control and integrated ABS with regenerative breaking from rear, no real maintenance besides tires and front break (not even a gear that can break like is an issue in Zeros mid drive motors), and collision detection. 7) Modular design that allows you to upgrade the motor, battery pack, and charge port/inverter. So long as Fuell doesn't software lock these components and charge "subscription" fees to unlock these things, this could be a huge game changer if Fuell sells enough of these to make future upgrades and new models. Seeing as is this is designed by a team of engineers with a long history of designing innovate motorcycles for older OEMs I'm hoping this bike will not suffer from the issues Sondors and others have with creating motorcycles with cheap components and not even thinking about fine tuning things to optimize the ride experience.

Great podcast guys! This is by far the longest podcast I've ever watched, obviously because of the brilliant minds on the show! Lovely to see Ryan! Just a feedback, if you could cover the motorcycle landscape in India for the next one it'd be great! Be it EV performance bikes or ICE! There's a dynamic shift in the motorcycle world being driven from India!

I’ll start with I own a 2018 Zero FX modular and I’m 57. It was a huge decision between the Zero and a KTM EX350. Other than they both cost the same and are technically dual sports, they are as different as possible. Almost no maintenance vs very high maintenance. Good Chinese parts vs best in the business parts. Boring colour scheme vs orange (my favourite colour!). In British Columbia, ridiculously cheap insurance vs cheap insurance. Ergonomic piece of crap vs everything just where it’s supposed to be. No regrets!! The Zero is the most hooligan friendly town bike EVER! I’ve only been pulled over once doing 96kmph in a 50 zone and only got a warning from the motorcycle cop. It goes 0-60kmph across a 2 lane intersection. Nothing can touch it except a Tesla or Rivian. I can sneak down pathways and no one seems to be bothered as long as I’m slow and careful. Range sucks but the acceleration makes up for it.

45:17 I completely agree with this point. I started out on an e-bike and moved up into a motorcycle. The e-bike was something like $500 USD and showed me how much fun and how practical it was to get around on 2 wheels. They are so easy (close enough to regular bicycles in handling and operation), cheap (china makes hella e-bikes that are good enough, not great, but very cheap), low maintenance (just plug it into the wall overnight, and maybe get a new battery every 5 years), and requires no license or registration. They really are the gateway for REGUALR people to get into motorcycling. Marketing to motorcyclists is definitely NOT the way to go, until battery tech gets better. Additionally, I was driving around an SUV for a while with absolute trash MPG, and when I heard motorcycles could get 100+ MPG, I was completely blown away. It's way more fuel efficient than even the most expert of Prius drivers.

Energica seems to be more supportive of right to repair and also they refined their sport bike model in 2021 (from what I saw on website last time) to be lighter and have bigger battery so I think it would be really nice to see new reviews of those bikes

RyanF9 needs to do a NC750x video!

Yay🎉 Ryan!

The best IMS we had in Chicago was a couple years ago, where due to corona they decided to hold it in August outside on the farms, instead of in February at a convention center

Omg, mate? It’s mateine! My most fav dude ever now. Bienvenido a lo argentino F9!

I built my own electric motorcycle. 32,000mi later I still dont regret it. Unfortunately the ones being sold commercially just don't allow you to repair them while wildly overcharging for specs I did for a quarter the price. For now electric is still in it's DIY phase unless you have money. The riding feel is more fun. Ive ridden several gas bikes and every time I go back to mine and love it more. The one handed riding, the perfect cruse control, the balance between 650cc power in a grom sized bike while still pulling 150mi on a charge. It's all the fun of a gas bike with all the annoying bits removed. You feel more connected to your surroundings by doing 55 and still hearing the birds and crickets in the trees. I don't have to mirror check cause I can hear cars coming up behind me. By opening up your ears to your surroundings you engage another sense, and that feels better than hurrdurr loud exhaust.

Excellent debate and discussion guys, well done. My last 3 bikes have all been electric (so I'm a convert) but i still love the 47 odd bikes i had before that. Here in Australia we had a 31% increase in all electric motorcycles last year (but a mere 6,561 two wheelers). I love my Livewire...... but 98% of sales are mini motos and scooters so far. I reckon recreational dual sport is the next big niche, maybe the sassy Del Mar as a premium entry?

I'm ditching my car in favour of an electric Super Soco. My daily commute is only 20km and the little bike does that with ease. Running costs are minimal and it rides like a push bike. Love it and puts a smile on my face every time I pass a gas station. Best thing: I'm no longer stuck in traffic ...

i think what ryan briefly touched on was on point. most of us who were attracted to motorcycles like the sound and feeling of riding something with a gasoline engine. i think the idea of bringing bicyclists into electric motorcycle ownership is interesting, and i wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some correlation there. but also, they’re too damn expensive.

Marc Travels in KZfaq is traveling from Germany to New Zealand on a Zero, so far he's loving it and would never go back to petrol... 🙂

Energica rides like my Ducati. Also, bikes like the Talaria and Surron fill the city commuter niche well for $4000.

Ryan is the coolest scientist I've seen on KZfaq . He'd give Doc Brown a run for the title, I can assure you. Wish I'd had more teachers like him, growing up. Would have made for a better set of memories, and I would have enjoyed learning, more than I aleeady did, and still do today. A daily goal to learn between 1 and 3 things each day. He makes it fun, as do you guys. Thanks for doing what you do.

One of the most advantageous aspects of a new rider getting into two wheel transportation is there is practically zero maintenance. I can take any bike apart and rebuild anything on it, and all that I will need is some torque spec's and I can put it back together. You really don't need know how to turn a wrench to daily ride an electric. I love tinkering with mechanical things but a lot of people do not, they just want to ride.

I was pleased to see you guys mention companies like NIU. I was struck how during lockdown in the UK the traditional motorcycle companies basically shut down, but the Chinese manufacturers of 50cc equivalent scooters and motorcycles, companies like NIU, Super Soco etc took advantage of the fact that no one wanted to use public transport and advertised everywhere, as a result, London is buzzing with little electric scooters and to a lesser extent motorcycles.

saw fortnine and clicked on reflex

I have been riding motorcycles since age 8. In the last 50 years I've seen interest in motorcycling decline with our youth in the US considerably. The world of computer gaming can create a sense of adventure and reward for the young and not so young,at a lot less in expense vs the cost of motorcycle,plus training and license, insurance and safety gear. Not to mention their parents never influenced them because they never rode either. I'm quite the relic in my neighborhood, and I see motorcycles in the US coming to a end as we see it today. Look around your neighborhood and see how many kids you even see riding bicycles and let that sink in.

I know this is an old video, but I just wanna add as somebody coming from the electric bike side towards the electric motorcycle side (I’m 48. I’ve ridden motorcycles many times in the past, mostly off-road in Mexico) I’m really looking at the Ryvid Anthem or perhaps the Land. I don’t even plan to take it on the freeway. I just want to use it for city living. I live in Southern California and it would be nice to go on the freeway now and then if I have to, but I understand the range issues. I love the design that Dong put into the Ryvid. I love that it’s lighter than most motorcycles. I love that has got regen on the left-hand, right rear foot brake, and a left-handed front brake. Belt drive The design is smart. Electric motorcycles are just so much less maintenance if you’re not into that crap. And I get some of y’all are into getting greasy. I just want something to work. I’m too busy to deal with learning to be a mechanic too.

I have test ridden the Del Mar and am happy to confirm for you that, yes, it is in fact a very good motorcycle. Not "good for being electric". A great, enjoyable motorcycle. If, but only if, I'm ready to spring for a second bike to get naughty within 25 miles of my home, it's at the top of my list. There's still no getting around range and top speed limitations.

I live in Philly and the point about making electric bikes lighter and cheaper really rings true here. I can often get to work faster on a standard pedal bike than my motorcycle just because I'm riding in bike lanes outside of traffic. Hypothetically speaking of course, a sondors is small enough and unique enough that I could probably get away with riding it in a bike lane in heavy traffic. Obviously this is flagrantly illegal in most places, but from my experience it's pretty much what every door dasher on a motor scooter is already doing. Having a small, light electric bike to get around town makes much more sense than a heavy machine cosplaying as an adventure bike.

For me I like the feeling of the gas engine, noise, and switching gears. Its the whole experience that electric misses

Combining a solar generator and an electric motorcycle or ebike would make a decent adventure bike. When you get home you can still use the battery as a backup power solution.

Ride a Sur Ron LBX and you'll begin to understand the simplicity and pure joy an electric machine can provide.

I was seriously looking at an electric motorcycle earlier this year. Primary use: commuting to work when nice. Used market for electric bikes, at least locally, is pretty much non existent and most people want waaaaaay too much money compared to the price of a new one. I do not have a place to charge it at home (apartment living). And I still like to take the occasional longish ride. I ended up buying a used Gladius with 9k miles for a third of the money.

i do actually thinking about collab revzilla with f9 last week when seeing f9 latest video. this 2 channel most informative motorcycle youtube channel i ever seen. while learning engineering with f9 and seeing mechanical side with shop manual. they showing no bs.

I own a 2022 Zero S 7.2 and I use it to commute 26 miles to work one way. At this point, my Zero is therapy for me. It has added fun to the commute through heavy, slow, and stupid traffic. I am heavy on the throttle but I stay off freeways. My 26 miles to work uses 60% of the 7.2 kW battery. It cost $14k to get it off the showroom floor and this is too much money for just a commuter bike. If you are looking for a motorcycle experience you will not get it riding an electric bike. I thought I might save money on gas but I would have been better off buying a used KLR 650 or something close to this. I enjoy riding my Zero but its uses are very narrow.

As stated in the video batteries are the main problem for motorcycles. For non urban use, the batteries need to be at least one order of magnitude better than they are today. From my point of view to barely catch up to a normal street motorcycle the minimum requirements are: Triple the capacity in half the weight and volume for one fifth of the price. Which means the battery needs to be 30 fold better that what we have today. And as batteries have seen over 200 years of intensive development there most likely are no quick breakthroughs giving an order of magnitude progress anymore. With a good industrial improvement rate of 5% each year it takes 70 years to improve the batteries 30 fold.

So now we know Zach really needs to evaluate an Energica Experia on Daily Rider.

We got to use Zero FXEs for Discover the Ride at IMS a few years ago. Even though they were governed for our never-rode-before guests, they were super fun! Looking forward to getting one some day soon, hopefully. Great discussion!

Battery sharing has additional advantages. If you buy a Zero, you're stuck with that battery. Once it dies, what do you do? If there is a battery sharing system, battery recycling also becomes a much easier proposition.

No word of Verge motorcycles? Finnish company that made that 1000 Newton hubless torque monster. I thought they were out because you didn't even mention it, but no they're still around. They're apparently coming to NA this year -ish.

I have a friend who owns an Energica (don't know model) it is heavy but he loves it. I worked on a broken luggage part on the bike and it appears to be well made. I own BMWs, and comparatively they're pretty good.

E-bikes do one thing very well, they don't pollute. This makes them great for town work. I think we should view them (cost notwithstanding) as horses for courses and not general replacements.

Every ebike / escooter marketer should watch this!!!

1500 KWs/1.5 MW/2011 HP sounds quite exciting even with a motorcycle license

Is there any chance of bringing Lemmy on as a guest? I miss the big man Edit: or Anthony. So we can watch, decide, and ride with him one last time

It’s not about being green; it’s convenience. I purchased an electric lawn mower because my gas mower leaked gas on my yard, which killed the grass. I was tired of storing a dedicated can of gas and oil in my garage AND the gas smell lingering in my car after getting a refill took days to remove. I’m looking for my first bike and the thought of dealing with changing gears while remembering that the breaks are both one peddle and one handle is a pain. Bring on the electric bikes!

I am a motorcyclist who also used to be involved in stock car racing most of the tracks I used to go to are closed down due to urban sprawl and noise.

You should really make an Android/iOS app with the engine guessing game, when you have a large enough collection of listener bike sounds. I'm sure it would be fun to play when having a few beers with your biker buds.

I had a NIU NQi-GT for about a year. It was the best city bike I've ever owned. It'd hit 70kph, easily do 100km and could carry me and my partner at speed. Ended up getting rid of it as my work commute suddenly jumped to about 70km each way and it no longer worked so I went back a Vstrom, but for city use I wish I could've afforded to keep it. EV bikes and mopeds are brilliant.

My city has a large fleet of electric police motorcycles. One of the riders I talked to said he loved it and the charge runs him for a days work.

In my country people buy electric scooters for quite some time. I mean, the ones you sit on, not the ones you stand on. They are typically Chinese no-name scooters, that have range of 50-60 km. And capable of speeds of 60-65 km/h. As city transportation they are pretty good.

7:40 is when our Lord and savior joins the video.

Great guest in Ryan , great topic, can't wait to test ride my first electric motorcycle myself😉😍. I think that development will be fast in the next few years especially because of a signed development of swappable battery by big motorcycle companies. Keep it up with great work greetings from sLOVEnia 😊

I have been riding a BMW c-Evolution here in CT for the last 5 years , it has 110 miles of range, it’s my daily rider and never had an issue with speed or range anxiety

I think you guys should look up the Ultraviollete F77. It's an amazing bike, has good speed and range. It's only available in India rn, but it might probably be really good in North America.

Ryan 🎉🎉🎉

Sur-Ron is an electric motorcycle manufacturer growing fast. 4 models aimed primarily at dirt bike type segment. They have the Light Bee X/S, The Ultra Bee, and the Storm Bee. They are "successful" with an expanding rider network and production volume. I really enjoy mine. Talaria is another brand. If living in Asia, China has a variety of electric motorcycles. I suspect they will find their way to N. America at some point. The bash on BMW was ridiculous. A "parts bin special"? Give me a break.

I took pics & plan on msg'n my children. Built a half-pipe in their backyard. New windshield this month on 14th bike. fronk superfast? +memories of my uncle & my State of birth! Bravo & two fat thumbs up.

The trouble with trying to upgrade e-bike riders is that bicyclists live in their own transportation paradigm. In many cities there's essentially no regulation of routes they take. They can be a dar, a bicyclist, a pedestrian, and even go the wrong way down streets on the shoulder. Once you become a motorcycle rider, you're essentially bound to roads, and road rules.

Highside Lowside has been my favorite podcast since I first listened to it for the first time. Please keep up the excellent work!! Best regards from Brasilia, Brazil. PS - Ryan F9 and his team are very very good at producing content; however, after much pondering, I still think Ari, Spencer, Zack and the Revzilla team are still my top-notch, favorite motorcycle content creators. Not even Ryan F9 can top them, imho.

1500kw is 1.5 megawatts. That's a bike I'd like to ride :)

Having ridden the BMW CE04, I can say that it is so very nearly exactly what I want in a bike. Storage, comfy, speedy, sick looking. The issues for me are lack of overall range and massive price.

One of the reasons why people are excited for Energica is that they're prioritizing both level 2 (AC) and level 3 (dc fast charge) so they arent compromised when charging on either type. The livewire one is crippled when on level 1-2 charging (14 hours 0-100), but takes only 1:15 when on DC. Zero has never supported level 3, though they can charge fairly quickly on AC if the plug supports it (and you equip the correct option) The reason why this is so beneficial is that AC chargers are more common, but DC chargers are faster

My room mate has a fairly new Zero SR/F - their flagship sport bike with the biggest battery and longest range - and it is decently potent, but even going 50mph down twisty roads leads to a range of just over 60 miles. It takes 30-60 minutes on a parking lot fast charger to get it back to full charge, and about six hours on a regular house plug. For the price of $20,000+ they could have had a Streetfighter V4 even. My MT-10 was almost half the price and it consummately outperforms the SR/F in every way except gas mileage, obviously... though if I am being honest, the MT-10 really doesn't outperform anything in gas mileage! I think if you are using the SR/F exclusively for commuting a short distance it can make sense, but even though it is a flagship bike that should really be able to open up and stretch its legs, it is relegated to the garage or charger while your friends go off and enjoy their full day of riding. I will say that It is a very cool experience riding it though!

My first motorcycle was electric (Energica) and I just got an upgraded version recently. I don't see myself ever getting an ICE motorcycle because electric gives me my adrenaline fix, the acceleration is addictive and ICE just can't compare.

I got Chinese 125cc motorbike for 2000 GBP. That's the same price as ebike, but so much better

All the advantages mentioned of not needing gear, clutch and it being easier for new riders are present today on DCT already at half the price.

My friend has a e dirtbike, and it's cool, but the only use case I can find for it is to hoon in a park. Where if you took a normal bike you'd get the cops called on you. He took it to the trails once. Lasted like 2hrs spent the rest of the day sitting in the truck.

Your sponsor K-niobelled me during the vegatino party for their abstantic event, so there you go! lol!

With how polite Canadians are, I can just imagine a Canadian stealing a catalytic converter, and leaving a note that says "sorry" under the windshield wiper

I knew it was a Suzuki from the sound of the fuel injection starting up ahead of the ignition, and I knew it had an aftermarket exhaust on a twin... my guesses would have been SV650 or Vstrom 650. What fun!

There are hub motors with brake disk attachment points and you can get heavy duty 205cm rotors and four pad callipers for mountain bikes. All you near is a custom adapter made to mount the calliper to the swinging arm.

Great discussion on Electrics. Ryans brings so much to these conversations

Excellent guys always love hearing from Ryan!

Great show! I agree, good to have different viewpoints on any topic. The prediction that (electric) motorcycles will get extinct may be applicable for the great open landmass of the US and Canada, but here in Europe (and other dense populated areas, India and the like) I think there will be a future for them.

When I started to Try an ebike I was surprised how fun to drive one so I bought one which is a Electric Scooter since I only need a small and easy to park vehicle then I upgraded the Controller, Battery (72v50ah lifepo4) and swap the 1kw hub motor to 3kw Middrive motor and since then I've been using it daily and having so much fun and its very convenient to use doing groceries because its a scooter type there is a space where you can put does groceries 😀 and all I can say is wow my current top speed is 130km/h ... and I'm still having fun with this ebike 🥰

I have an electric Zero DS motorcycle. I recommend it. And I know other electric motorcycle riders that are very happy with it. It is easy to ride, no noise, low maintenance. I charge it with free solar energy. No earplugs at low speeds. I can do 260km on regular roads and 180km on combined roads with highway. Which is better than announced on the zero website. I can ride for 2 to 4 hourse depending on the speed. And I can charge everywhere. There are chargers every 5km. For me this is perfect. I don't want to ride for more than 2 hours without a break. And mine is still a bit basic basic: 14kwh battery and 6kw charging speed. The energica's are +21kwh battery and 20kw charging speeds. An Energica must be fantastic. I don't believe the limited range is really a problem. Charging for 20-30min after 2h is not a problem. And that is on the highway. On normal roads you can ride for half a day. I think the main reason they are not more popular is that they are still quite expensive for the 'hobby-motorist' that want to ride on Sundays. The price is find for a commuter that uses the bike 5x per week. For me it is very cheap, but I do 15000 km per year. If you only do 2000km, and it is a hobby it is too expensive. And of course a bit of conservatism. Some people just don't like change. If it was noisy before and you needed to shift gears, it needs to stay noise and it needs to still have gears. Although both aren't a real advantage.

I respect all the dudes in the video. However, not mentioning Surron is criminal. In most places in the world, including North America, Surron's dominate with their Light Bees. I'm an old fart, but I've gone totally electric with my Surron Ultra Bee and Surron Storm Bee. Also, I have an eMTB (electric mountain bike). All are Chinese and all are top quality but not crazy expensive. The price range is $3-6k of my e-bikes. I live off road in the mountains and don't need to commute but I certainly could on those bikes. I don't even have petrol stations near me but I do have cheap (grid) electricity and looking to go solar for all needs except heating in the near future. Commuter and fun off-road bikes ARE definitely the successful use cases for e-bikes. Adventure and touring is not really feasible for much of the world. That part you get right. Not mentioning Surron's success shows that you don't know much about the current state of e-bikes.

I ran out of gas and a lawn care guy came up and offered to give me a gallon or 2 of gas. Made sure it wasn’t mixed gas then gladly thanked him, put some in, offered to pay, he declined , then I rode off. There is gas tank anxiety but gas tank anxiety can be fixed by paying a stranger $10 for a 1 liter Mountain Dew bottle full of gas if you happen to run out of skills and have any sort of developed people skills. A lot of vehicles have power outlets, but how many random passersby have half an hour to give you enough of a charge to do anything? If you’re lucky, a few. More people can be convinced to run to the gas station for you than can be convinced to stay with you for half an hour

I've ridden Zero's and Energica's and my opinion is the Zero's are very competent bikes, especially the smaller capacity bikes. Of the two Energica's I have ridden, the Eva Ribelle was spectacularly fast, but the real star was the Experia which was fantastic to ride. I only had one criticism of the Experia, I felt it needed a little more power, but even as it is I would be very happy to buy one.

The big set apart or setback is the engine sound. I love all the fluidless operation of an electric vehicle. Safety is so important for motorcycles as is the need for sound on any electric vehicle. I will buy a E-Moto at some point soon and fit it with electric deer alert (chirps) and LED wheel lights.

NIU, at least in China, had a removable battery. I had a NIU scooter from 2018-2022 living in Beijing and it was great to pull my battery and take it to my room or workplace and charge. The replacement battery thing for scooter is you mentioned is primarily Gogoro scooters. You see the battery changing stations that look like lockers around Taipei and other areas of Taiwan. As far as scooters go, I never saw battery changing stations in China, minus the electric taxis.

I paid 280$ for registration in Indiana for my electric moped, taxed at the same rate as a tesla for a vehicle that i legally cant take on the highway and weighs less than i do, the real punch in the gut is a gas moped would generate less than 30$ with gas tax during a season. There is a severe lack of governmental cognizance regarding legislation and not just on this issue.