Motorcycle Suspension Terminology Explained | The Shop Manual

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Motorcycle Suspension Terminology Explained | The Shop Manual
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The first step in understanding motorcycle suspension is getting familiar with the terminology used to discuss it. In this episode of The Shop Manual, Ari defines and explains terms like spring rate, preload, sag, damping, and more.
Suspension essentials:
Preload wrench: rvz.la/3bZ9g3R
Sag scale: rvz.la/2QjsOYd
Oil level tool: rvz.la/2ODRR81
Performance shocks: rvz.la/3s2iIZA
Fork springs and cartridge kits: rvz.la/3twqpHW
Fork oil: rvz.la/3txOGx7

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@RevZilla
@RevZilla 3 жыл бұрын
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@49Roadmaster
@49Roadmaster 3 жыл бұрын
Great read and simply explained.
@needlesandtires
@needlesandtires 2 жыл бұрын
Can you make a topic for motorcycle tune up. Thanks in advance.
@dusmantanayak844
@dusmantanayak844 2 жыл бұрын
@@needlesandtires a a
@sukantadawn4556
@sukantadawn4556 2 жыл бұрын
@@49Roadmaster ààaàaq
@636theofthebeast8
@636theofthebeast8 3 жыл бұрын
You really are among the very top motorcycle related presenters out there. I hope you keep doing these for a long time!
@AriH211
@AriH211 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. It's a privilege to be a resource for riders and I hope to keep at it for years to come.
@ferociousfrankie
@ferociousfrankie 3 жыл бұрын
Top? Him, Zack, and Ryan F9 are the best on the internet.
@tariqholder8818
@tariqholder8818 3 жыл бұрын
@@ferociousfrankie I know F9 but who is Zack?
@ferociousfrankie
@ferociousfrankie 3 жыл бұрын
@@tariqholder8818 Zack Courts
@willspeakman2461
@willspeakman2461 3 жыл бұрын
@@AriH211 you are the best because you actually work on motorcycles. I'm a trained mechanic but always watch your videos to learn new stuff.
@OggyF
@OggyF 3 жыл бұрын
Now waiting for Zac's daily rider video review of the pogo stick. Great work as always guys. This is another video that goes into the favorites list.
@belsonkoshy7884
@belsonkoshy7884 3 жыл бұрын
And his Mickey Mouse giggle whilst bouncing around..
@mayb8876
@mayb8876 3 жыл бұрын
Wassup oggy!
@TerraPosse
@TerraPosse 3 жыл бұрын
Oggy, oggy, oggy...hoi, hoi, hoi... ...getting me coat...
@mickleblade
@mickleblade 3 жыл бұрын
What will his wife think of the pillion ride?
@benmiller6599
@benmiller6599 3 жыл бұрын
We need this
@squirms
@squirms 3 жыл бұрын
This is gonna be one of those go-to videos for years.
@movingforward6099
@movingforward6099 3 жыл бұрын
Read the article, nice brake down and couple good ideas in the comments. Cheers !
@carlosvejar3938
@carlosvejar3938 Жыл бұрын
I watched it the first day, and every couple months come back to it cuz suspension is confusing for me
@MrSnugglekinz
@MrSnugglekinz 3 жыл бұрын
I’ll gladly repeat this video every now and then as a refresh
@Ryan.......
@Ryan....... 2 жыл бұрын
Your specific correction of the mistake of using "dampening" is much appreciated.
@karwannouri8266
@karwannouri8266 3 жыл бұрын
It'd be nice with some examples of how to tune a bike with these things in mind. Great video as always, Ari.
@kennetic9196
@kennetic9196 3 жыл бұрын
I've been needing this video for years. I never understood suspension.
@stonewilliamson1912
@stonewilliamson1912 3 жыл бұрын
Me either bro.
@AriH211
@AriH211 3 жыл бұрын
Happy it helped!
@HeyAddieImTojo
@HeyAddieImTojo 3 жыл бұрын
@@AriH211 great vid. One more thing i wonder. If you increase damping, (by turning the knob to +) does that make the suspension feel softer? As in compressing further/compressing faster. I can’t wrap my head around it
@stonewilliamson1912
@stonewilliamson1912 3 жыл бұрын
@@AriH211 it definitely did,thank you!
@chrisredfield3240
@chrisredfield3240 3 жыл бұрын
@@HeyAddieImTojo depending if you mean compression damping or rebound damping? Compression is hard/soft rebound is slow/fast. Maybe + could be harder. For compression. Don't get any of these mixed up with pre load
@coreymeisenheimer1724
@coreymeisenheimer1724 3 жыл бұрын
This video in conjunction with a video on measuring and adjusting motorcycle suspension, on a......*ahem* different channel with a suspiciously similar looking guy, are everything you need to get into properly setting up a bike for a specific rider. An often overlooked part of riding by the average rider. Great job, please keep these coming!
@spookylukey97
@spookylukey97 3 жыл бұрын
One of the most confusing aspects of motorcycles for me. Thank you!
@BrianFrichette
@BrianFrichette 3 жыл бұрын
The syringe is a good example. I usually give the example of one of those door struts, since I'm pretty sure everyone has used them. On heavy doors, they are hydraulic, just like suspension dampers. They slow the movement of the door closing, and the harder / faster you try to close the door, the more you'll feel the resistance. They're a bit different, since they are one-way compression dampers (you can open the door quickly, but can't slam it shut).
@athulprakash4447
@athulprakash4447 Ай бұрын
beautiful! Been so confused about pre-load for a while until I saw this video. Nobody else mentioned that the amount of suspension travel is not the same as the amount the spring can compress.
@AustrisPhoto
@AustrisPhoto 3 жыл бұрын
We need a 2nd video explaining what are correct adjustment settings for front and rear.
@coreymeisenheimer1724
@coreymeisenheimer1724 3 жыл бұрын
Something vaguely like this? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kNqqh9x0sM6Zlo0.html
@theresanothersteve
@theresanothersteve 3 жыл бұрын
There is no correct setting. It depends on what bike you ride, how long since the suspension was serviced, how heavy you are, how your weight is distributed on the bike, any additional weight such as luggage or pillion, even tyre pressure. Generally speaking, if you can't get the sag numbers, or are at the maximum adjustment to get the number, you need to replace the springs. You can set rebound damping by compressing the forks and letting them return to the natural position and adjusting flow so the forks extend as quickly as possible, without topping out and going back down. It is worth the fifty bucks or so to get a professional setup if you don't know how to do it yourself.
@claqyagami6914
@claqyagami6914 3 ай бұрын
@@theresanothersteve True, but that's what formulas are for; like the one he used for the sag setting. From there you can adjust till it feels just right.
@Foreverrelaxed
@Foreverrelaxed 3 жыл бұрын
From engine breaking to lingo, I appreciate each of these videos. Over 40k miles down and I have no idea what most of the bike is.
@Baleur
@Baleur 3 жыл бұрын
This guy has veins like the Hulk. The sheer amount of blood flow would rip a brake hose in two pieces xD
@WillyO
@WillyO 3 жыл бұрын
It's just the right amount for dampening properly...
@andrewsmactips
@andrewsmactips 3 жыл бұрын
@@WillyO That's "damping" properly.
@SmittyOne883
@SmittyOne883 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha 🤣🤣🤣
@exothermal.sprocket
@exothermal.sprocket 3 жыл бұрын
His face is mostly healed up after blowing half of it off with a judiciously misplaced firecracker.
@MiddletoM
@MiddletoM 3 жыл бұрын
he must work out just before shooting a video
@jasonkay869
@jasonkay869 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative and well presented, Ari! You have just taken these already instructive videos to another level!!
@GD-od7yq
@GD-od7yq 2 жыл бұрын
I've watched several videos on motorcycle suspension, and this one does the best job of presenting the information in a way that is easy to understand. Thank you!
@stonewilliamson1912
@stonewilliamson1912 3 жыл бұрын
Very soothing and proper explanation bro,well done 👏 I fully overstand what suspension means now and i didn't know yesterday or all the years before....👏👏👏
@billcarson1966
@billcarson1966 3 жыл бұрын
I've been riding for 30 years and when though I know this information, it's easy to forget and a refresher never hurts. Thank you!
@johnhowells-vaughan5519
@johnhowells-vaughan5519 3 жыл бұрын
You are a great teacher. Thank you for helping me to understand what suspension is and how it works. Excellent video. Well done!
@rahulsubramanian86
@rahulsubramanian86 3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this. Even if all this info is available on the internet, someone explaining it in such a lucid manner makes all the difference.
@RUBBERNMETAL
@RUBBERNMETAL 3 жыл бұрын
So far this video is the most effective given it’s length to explain about suspension. Keep it up and hope to see more like this.
@justinrheaume6470
@justinrheaume6470 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to see your injuries healed dude! You’re the best!
@uarun01
@uarun01 3 жыл бұрын
Great content as always, Ari! Hope to see more detailed videos on suspension setup.
@ashtoncromwell8950
@ashtoncromwell8950 3 жыл бұрын
You’re the best Ari! I hope you stick around and do this for a very long time!
@AnfecsIan
@AnfecsIan 3 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy these videos are continuing since he left MC Garage. Some of the best ELI5 videos on maintaining and using motorcycles out there ...
@corujariousa
@corujariousa 3 жыл бұрын
I am a big fan of your garage videos. Also, the adventures with Zack. Stay safe and keep these videos coming. Thanks.
@oso_nomada
@oso_nomada 3 жыл бұрын
My Saturday morning coffee always taste better with New Revzilla videos!
@MidlandflyerB90
@MidlandflyerB90 3 жыл бұрын
Another top notch summary and easy to understand video on bike theory and knowledge, Ari you have nailed it, thanks
@jonpram1737
@jonpram1737 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for making this one Zack, I hope a fork strip down video is coming? I’m a tall and heavy rider, so find most stock suspension too soft. After paying an eye-watering amount for a proper suspension setup, I decided I’d learn to do suspension work myself. I found it was hard to find all the info you need clearly explained, and it took a lot of research, but once you’ve got over that and got a couple extra tools, suspension work is really easy, if a little time consuming and messy. Sure proper suspension shops are a must if you’re hitting the track, but for most of us just an online spring rate calculator and a bit of trial and error will do wonders for your bike pretty cheaply, especially if you’re +/- the “average weight” they designed your bike for. I’m now a huge advocate of riders learning to service their own forks and if possible shocks. You can massively improve the handling of your bike pretty cheaply and save yourself a bunch of money servicing your own forks, and it’s an extra thing to be aware of when buying a used bike! Old and cracked seals... eh not too bad, cheap to replace; messed up stantions... run!
@UrgetoRide
@UrgetoRide 3 жыл бұрын
That neon sign is sick, really gives the video an awesome vibe. And goes without saying, excellent video Ari, really good primer for people
@carolinap4150
@carolinap4150 3 жыл бұрын
another great teaching video from Ari now added to my reference Moto youtube list, Thank you!
@ksmart2271
@ksmart2271 3 жыл бұрын
This is excellent work man.
@LTVoyager
@LTVoyager 3 жыл бұрын
As an engineer, it warms my heart to see damping correctly used. I bet you also know that counter-steering works at ALL speeds, not just above some “magic” speed. 😁
@alhung5637
@alhung5637 3 жыл бұрын
And not "dampening"!
@timmychen6
@timmychen6 2 жыл бұрын
It does work at all speed. People often think it as counter steering to where the bike goes, it actually is giving a counter force to where the bike leans. The bike goes to same direction where it leans. However, At low speed, there’s not enough momentum to hold the bike to from gravity. So people counter steer against the bike from falling to the ground, which looks like steering to where the bike goes. If people have ever practiced static balance when the bike isn’t moving forward at all for enduro riding they will know better. Counter steer is working for the bike’s leaning and that’s not exactly the same as the direction the bike goes.
@LTVoyager
@LTVoyager 2 жыл бұрын
@@timmychen6 Correct. People used to cars where the steering directly controls the rate of turn have a hard time understanding countersteering. The also have a hard time learning to fly an airplane as airplane physics is nearly identical to motorcycle physics. In an airplane, turning the control wheel simply changes the angle of bank of the airplane, it doesn’t directly initiate a turn. The turn is initiated by the bank of the airplane. So, unlike a car where you turn the wheel a certain amount and then hold it steady for the duration of the turn. If you hold the control wheel in an airplane in a fixed position, you will do an aileron roll and not a turn. You turn the control wheel to establish a certain bank angle and then you return it to center for the duration of the turn. You then turn it the opposite direction to remove the bank angle and thus stop the turn. So, even though you don’t turn the airplane wheel the opposite direction as with a motorcycle, you are using the control to establish an angle of bank just as a motorcycle establishes an angle of lean.
@big_daddo92
@big_daddo92 3 жыл бұрын
Great show Ari! Thanks for all the wisdom it’s super helpful!!!👍
@pochobailey
@pochobailey 2 жыл бұрын
Ok I will have to watch it several times but I already can tell this is one of the best content I have found on this regard. Love the way you easily explain it due to English not being my first lenguage
@jasondunn8894
@jasondunn8894 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Clear explanation of how things work however yes, I will probably have to watch it again and again for it to all sink in. I do have a great reference to draw on👍
@olavcramer4814
@olavcramer4814 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this. Can't wait for next season to set up both my sag settings now.
@axl9530
@axl9530 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks again Ari. Best series on yt. Keep them videos coming. Ride safe✌️
@jbaccanalia
@jbaccanalia 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, so good, it should be a part of every rider course. You're saving lives with this one.
@pmdinaz
@pmdinaz 3 жыл бұрын
Very well executed!!! This is one to watch for sure 👍
@DJJohnPhilip
@DJJohnPhilip 3 жыл бұрын
I can finally understand Dave Moss Tuning videos. Thanks Ari❤️
@henryglend
@henryglend 3 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video on how to set your sag with adjustments when having a passenger or/and cargo?
@jamesondominique9759
@jamesondominique9759 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for passing on the knowledge Ari. Excellent video.
@AriH211
@AriH211 3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome.
@timothy9596
@timothy9596 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid and thanks for going over this subject. I needed it explained just like you did. Now, would you please make a video showing us how to actually set up the bike? It would be appreciated.
@dalevancleefsr
@dalevancleefsr 3 жыл бұрын
This was amazing. I've been trying to get a handle on this for decades! Thank you!
@byaheniblu6492
@byaheniblu6492 3 жыл бұрын
Great that you're back giving us new knowledge sir Ari...more power and more videos..godbless..
@andrewlivingston92
@andrewlivingston92 Жыл бұрын
This is the third time I’m watching this video in 3 years and 6000 miles. Always helpful. Thanks for these great videos
@toluwole
@toluwole 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic and well illustrated. Thank you.
@bikerbobcat
@bikerbobcat 7 ай бұрын
These basic explainers are great. And yes, I'll need to watch this a few times. Even 2 years later, thanks for all you do.
@aditya4397
@aditya4397 3 жыл бұрын
Great work buddy.. it would be great if you can make a follow-up video explaining how set sag , preload and basic of damping.. cheers for the awesome work. Regards to Zack and team Revzilla😀😀
@gm2256
@gm2256 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, Ari!
@NeoMoto
@NeoMoto 3 жыл бұрын
Super helpful! but gotta be honest, I need to watch it maybe 2-3 more times. Awesome stuff!
@backyardprojects8153
@backyardprojects8153 3 жыл бұрын
Love to see a new vid with you firecracker!!! I see its healed pretty good
@lapara14
@lapara14 3 жыл бұрын
Yessss!! The one we’ve all been waiting for. Great vid
@robertburwood7299
@robertburwood7299 2 жыл бұрын
Clearest explanation I have witnessed and very appreciated 👍🏻👍🏻💪
@kundanlenka768
@kundanlenka768 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant stuff..... More power to You.... Godspeed 🔥🔥🔥
@aerodoc71
@aerodoc71 2 жыл бұрын
Very good video and explaination. Love the shop manual idea. Thanks Ari!
@movingforward6099
@movingforward6099 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome as always !! Just a suggestion on a follow up future video if you would please. How to read your tires so you know what you suspension is doing or not doing. My connie 14 tires were a little choppy last change. Nobody seems to know . Cheers!!
@SpirosGlykas
@SpirosGlykas 3 жыл бұрын
Concise and simple. Brilliant!
@CubanRider
@CubanRider 3 жыл бұрын
I understood it all, but I need to watch it another 10 times for it to "sink in." Thanks Ari!
@AriH211
@AriH211 3 жыл бұрын
Well then thanks for the views ;)
@md.saikat1669
@md.saikat1669 3 жыл бұрын
Your explanations, very easy to understand & informative.thank a lot bro,,we are grateful to you.
@zoomjoo
@zoomjoo 3 жыл бұрын
cool to see all the work the tire is doing as well in the slow mo riding clips
@Christian-ve1wi
@Christian-ve1wi 3 жыл бұрын
Love the video Ari, really well presented and a great use of language structures. Verbs and Adjectives spot on mate 👌
@AriH211
@AriH211 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. We put a lot of effort into word choice and presentation in an effort to make things as understandable as possible.
@Christian-ve1wi
@Christian-ve1wi 3 жыл бұрын
@@AriH211 you certainly do mate the productions are always fantastic. I just really liked the way this video was implying that suspension is an entirely new language, you could learn to speak it fluently by remembering the verbs and adjectives..
@chadr9791
@chadr9791 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful and so well explained
@Sledneck1080
@Sledneck1080 3 жыл бұрын
Recently picked up an MT-10 and have been racking my brain as to what ten adjusts, now I know thank you!
@49Roadmaster
@49Roadmaster 3 жыл бұрын
What a great and fantastic article and explained so well. Thank you. So let me get this straight and clear. As it has always been explained to me that the TOTAL SAG on a motorcycle was to be set at 30% of the TOTAL SUSPENSION travel. I find out my total travel from the manual. In this case 2018 KLR 7.28" or 185mm. (Old method of "30%" would be 2.18" or 55.5mm) Your method: The RIDER SAG is 1/4 of total travel 1.82" or 46mm. The FREE SAG is 1/3 of the RIDER SAG value above 0.61" or 15mm. So my new Measured sag with gear and me should be 1.82" + 0.61" = 2.43" or 62mm. So that is 33.5% of TOTAL SUSPENSION TRAVEL. Like your article says 1/3 (33%) of the available travel. I had never heard of this "1/4 + 1/3 of 1/4" method before and will have to check it out. THANKS AGAIN!
@NishadAbdulkhader
@NishadAbdulkhader 3 жыл бұрын
Great Ari ..this video fully cleared the doubts on suspension terminologies
@BrightFuturePC
@BrightFuturePC 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation and highly informative! Thank you!
@bradh5613
@bradh5613 3 жыл бұрын
Really good and helpful as always thanks
@MotoSmith363
@MotoSmith363 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent work I enjoy your videos look forward to more.
@rautswapnil
@rautswapnil 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video.. This cleared many things for me.
@gsoni79
@gsoni79 8 ай бұрын
Excellent way of the concept brilliant
@JDnBeastlet
@JDnBeastlet 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation - I learned a lot. Thank you!
@reibax
@reibax 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation. Thank you so much!
@cpuuk
@cpuuk 3 жыл бұрын
Another awesome SM
@EitanShay
@EitanShay 3 жыл бұрын
This is gold. Thank you.
@cooparat
@cooparat 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro, I love your show.
@iceman-1987
@iceman-1987 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video for the rider brotherhood 😺🤙🏻
@kahchon87
@kahchon87 7 ай бұрын
I have been trying to figure out what these terminologies are… thanks for the explanation!
@theMidnightBBQ
@theMidnightBBQ 2 жыл бұрын
What an excellent video. Thank you!
@mikeguitarification
@mikeguitarification 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, good information and very informative.
@Simonpx989
@Simonpx989 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always, THANKS!!!!
@oleksandr_melanych
@oleksandr_melanych 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! You are back finally )))
@dmaxcustom
@dmaxcustom 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent content. What is pretty clear here though, is that Ari like to pogo around. Not disappointed.
@danmanthe9335
@danmanthe9335 3 жыл бұрын
I had to laugh when he broke that thing out
@UncleDon226
@UncleDon226 3 жыл бұрын
All these years I called shocks "dampeners" not knowing they are "dampers". Damn, I love this series.
@Jacob-wn4lp
@Jacob-wn4lp 2 жыл бұрын
They are dampeners though. The word dampeners has been used to mean what is being called "dampers" in this video since literally before the existence of the automobile (and the word dampen, as in to lower the impact/strength of something, has had that definition even longer, before Descartes said "I think therefore I am")
@ItsThatMilkshake
@ItsThatMilkshake 3 жыл бұрын
How is RevZilla making videos that answer questions I want answered so freakishly
@thematurbo240
@thematurbo240 3 жыл бұрын
Ari is the man! Thanks!
@coquikarts
@coquikarts Жыл бұрын
Simply the best explenation..!! Thanks.. I just build an off road go kart with IRS and I bought some shocks ramdomly (540lbs max load), because I have absolutely no idea about which ones are the right shocks for my ride.. and they are to soft.. I could adjust it and I could add air (nitrogen), but after watching this video something tells me that I need stronger shocks...
@cal5720
@cal5720 3 жыл бұрын
Can we get an episode devoted to Ari's workout routine?
@abdelrhmantalat9813
@abdelrhmantalat9813 3 жыл бұрын
Man, I love your videos, thank you
@lock6
@lock6 2 жыл бұрын
awesome video, still having a bit of trouble understanding some of what you said but but ill just keep watching .. btw the pogo stick jumping was hilarious
@NVK85
@NVK85 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, now after viewing a 30th video about suspension i started to understand it))))
@tsipantziGMAIL
@tsipantziGMAIL 2 жыл бұрын
I love these episodes. Thanks :)
@terr256
@terr256 3 жыл бұрын
This is absolutely crazy. I was legit looking at my suspension and figuring how to to soften things up and this video shows up lol
@motoclarion1767
@motoclarion1767 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing demonstration 🪧
@marcov4190
@marcov4190 3 жыл бұрын
Very good explanation.
@kaiweihong311
@kaiweihong311 2 жыл бұрын
So good, thx for the lesson
@flyaroundyourfire
@flyaroundyourfire 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing! Ari I have been riding for 4 years, always on a GSXR600. I now feel like I’m confident enough to try taking a pillion. I’m not a big guy about 150lbs I have taken my brother who weighs 170lbs but from a start I am wobbling like crazy so I dare not go any further. Any advice you can give me? Many thanks from London, England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
@tomdoingfunstuff
@tomdoingfunstuff 3 жыл бұрын
I needed this
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