Cut the Sliding Dovetail Joint with common hand tools.

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There's another dovetail that you might not know about. Learn to cut it and use it.
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0:00 Intro
0:16 Starting with Confidence
1:15 The Guide
3:20 Chiseling
4:35 Battens
4:58 Making the Moravian
7:00 Make a Tool!
9:03 Plans
10:13 Fitting
11:58 Outro

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@lostathome2 Жыл бұрын

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@honzikkrobotu479 Жыл бұрын

Hi Rex, I like your work. Btw it is interesting how here and there pops out Moravian stool, Moravian workbench... Since I am from Moravia, it makes me proud, haha.

@j_omega_t Жыл бұрын

I like to taper my sliding dovetails and cut the batten long. It goes in real easy until it doesn't. Pound on it a few more times to make it tight, and then trim off both ends. I learned that from Roy!

@transmundanium Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Tapered sliding dts are MUCH easier to make than straight ones.

@chrisstearns10 Жыл бұрын

Narration helps so much thank you Rex!👍👍

@lincolndickerson1293 Жыл бұрын

I love glueless/fastenerless joinery. Looking forward to the future videos

@leehaelters6182 Жыл бұрын

I think that when using the guide to saw the housing, clamping it so that the saw leans OVER the housing rather than away from it, two things are afforded. You may clamp directly on the layout line rather than judging how much saw kerf you must allow for, and the stock is protected from mishaps when getting the cut started. Also, cutting into an acute angle seems to capture the sawblade a trifle more surely than an open, obtuse one. I love your introduction of the scratch stock! Such a great tool. Without any grinding of shaper knives or similar fuss, you can quickly file out custom profiles for small moldings, flute or reed edges, even make proper matching drop leaf joints!

@thomashverring9484 Жыл бұрын

Hah! The tape trick for holding the metal while sanding is brilliant! And I gotta make that scratch stock. The old holders I made aren't functioning properly.

@James_T_Kirk_1701 Жыл бұрын

Rex if you 3d print, just print a fence for your fillister plane that skew a little bit. Super cheap sliding dovetail plane.

@jsmxwll Жыл бұрын

A couple things I've learned doing sliding dovetails: I really like using the depth stop on Japanese pull saws for finishing out those partial depth cuts. Takes a bit of practice, but it works so well and requires a lot less futzing with cleanup for me. (demonstration of depth stop made by Jonathan Katz-Moses here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b55hjcJqpp3IkXk.html) I also wax my guides. It helps a lot with the friction. If I'm gonna do a lot of joints, then I'll embed some neodymium magnets along the guide to keep the saw against it so I can focus on the cut without the awkward press into the guide and cut at the same time mechanic. I've also found that if It's a piece I'm gonna be banging around, a dab of glue on just one side of the battons can help not accidentally knocking them partially out. I like using hide glue right at the edge so I can get it back apart with a little heat if I need to repair something. Hope that's helpful to someone.

@leehaelters6182 Жыл бұрын

@jsmxwll, what Japanese pull saw depth stop are you talking about? A user made one? Can you tell a little more about it, please? Intrigued!

@jsmxwll Жыл бұрын

@@leehaelters6182 The flat part at the end of the saw is a depth stop. You can see KM demonstrate it here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b55hjcJqpp3IkXk.html hope that helps

@leehaelters6182 Жыл бұрын

@@jsmxwll, thank you for showing me. I would be inclined more to call it a raker tooth, one that functions as a paring chisel. I think that I have used it occasionally, off the cuff, so to speak. I do not see it as having a gauging action or as a depth stop that prevents one from digging further, and that was what threw me. Thanks for the help, and all the best!

@jsmxwll Жыл бұрын

@@leehaelters6182 If you get one side down to the correct depth and tilt the saw up, it can't cut further. Most people I've seen talk about it just refer to it as a depth stop. If you want a more positive method, I often stick rectangular neodymium magnets to my saw at the required depth. They are strong enough to not move and give good positive stop. I have a couple glued into dead straight pieces of hickory for when I don't trust my own ability to stop on time.

@leehaelters6182 Жыл бұрын

@@jsmxwll thanks, I will give it a try, with practice maybe I can make it work. The magnetic stop is boss! How do you remove it from the saw plate, adjustable wrench? Or maybe the pull saw is so flexible you can peel it off? I have seen an antique western tool that I covet for this depth stop function. It is a backsaw with the handle attatched to the back, not the plate. The plate passes right through the back, which is only two bars, really, and is clamped at the desired depth.

@Tea_And_History Жыл бұрын

Awesome as always 👍 I always use tapered sliding dovetails though - by tapering both parts of the joint by, say, 2-3mm along the entire length you don’t have to whack it in & risk breakage but when it finally binds it binds along its entire length.

@urbanlumberjack 6 ай бұрын

This is amazing! Really great method

@afauth243 Жыл бұрын

I learned to make the groove tapered, so that it gets tight with the last hits for getting it flush.

@theeddorian Жыл бұрын

Richard McGuire (The English Woodworker) demonstrated cutting rabbets with a chisel and a hammer. He made it look crazy simple, especially since the hammer he used was a chisel and an old "lump" hammer, or what I learned to call a single jack. I was particularly interested at the time because I wanted to stopped rabbets for a mahogany mirror frame I was making.

@rolandharrison5651 Жыл бұрын

Well done Rex. Very interesting. Have you considered considered making a canted kerf cutter to cut in your dovetail sides. Using a saw segment to an appropriate sized mini vice with the jaws cut to the angle of dovetails sides,using small carriage bolts to connect the jaws. The saw segment could be set to the desired depth. Secure an appropriate height fence where needed. Make a 90 degree kerf cutter to remove the waste. Setting the depth of both cutters the same you have fast, accurate almost foolproof dovetails. Quickly repeatable. I hope I explained it clearly. It’s easier than my explanation. I hope it helps somebody & Rex I think you could do a great Video.

@lukabinks1388 Жыл бұрын

Love the attention to detail: specifically the tiny *pop* at 3:34

@mircomuntener4643 Жыл бұрын

If the table saw hadn't been invented for other reasons yet, this alone certainly would have made it worthwhile.

@darodes Жыл бұрын

Wonderful work man… again, very clear and helpful explanation too.. already can’t wait for your next video 😂

@joeleonetti8976 Жыл бұрын

That use of a scratch stock is a clever idea. I will keep it in mind. Thanks for sharing.

@knight4today Жыл бұрын

Wanted to thank you for your videos. I made a coat rack (actually a belt rack to take to shows and fairs to sell my leather stuff). I used mortise and tenon legs to stand upright, cut using a chisel and the big mallet from your plans. The cross piece has dowels in in at an angle that I learned using your video on making a bench (where you showed getting the angle right for the legs). Then I made a loose mortise and tenon with pins to I can put it up and take it apart at the end of the day.

@Gadadharadas Жыл бұрын

Wow, the scratch stock was an eye opener! Especially in it opening limitless possibilities. After all, the blade can be either straight or curved in any shape. Thanks a lot, I'll make one from a piece of old blade of motorized metal cutting saw (from Soviet times, when those were standard). These are incredibly sharp for long time.

@andyc972 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for making this so accessible Rex, Now feel I could give this a decent go !

@MrMercredifyable Жыл бұрын

I have no idea if you'll ever read this comment... But I just wanted to say that YOU are amazing Rex! Thank you for all the excellent work you do! 🥳 If my nonexistent economy had allowed it I would've subscribed to your Patreon a long time ago... Until the day it does, my eternal gratitude for what you do will have to suffice! 🙏

@RexKrueger Жыл бұрын

Your kind words are payment enough.

@J.A.Smith2397 Жыл бұрын

Love the saw guide!

@glencrandall7051 Жыл бұрын

An excellent explanation. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂

@MCsCreations Жыл бұрын

Fantastic work, Rex! Thanks for all the tips! 😃 I'm going to build a scratch stock, but more likely a marking gauge. This way it's more adjustable. Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@fletchro789 Жыл бұрын

You will find the marking gauge indispensible once you use it!

@PeteLewisWoodwork Жыл бұрын

Excellent! Thanks Rex for the ideas. It's a joint I've always considered doing but shied away from. I'll have a go now though.

@Philipk65 Жыл бұрын

Just a beginner here, your videos are really interesting and informative Rex. I really like the idea of hand tools.

@scottswineford6714 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reminder about scratch stocks. At 72 it's not what I know it's what I remember.

@ArniesTech Жыл бұрын

Your videos are so satisfying to watch 🙏💪

@mattevans-koch9353 Жыл бұрын

Thank you again Rex. Great second watch.

@pettere8429 Жыл бұрын

Another way to get them in easily is to taper them ever so slightly, like a millimeter across the whole length of the baton.

@smashyrashy Жыл бұрын

Makes sense but how?

@borjesvensson8661 Жыл бұрын

@@smashyrashy just lay out tapered and don't cut to length until fit.

@clemoniii Жыл бұрын

Excellent video! I learned a lot, and it went quickly.

@uwyphi Жыл бұрын

awesome video, i learnt a lot of new things !

@lostpony4885 Жыл бұрын

I just made my first mortise n tenon? I think? joints to put log legs on a log stool using a chisel and blade drill bit only. A bit wiggly but solid enough to drag around the garden yay im on my way thanks Rex!!

@bakerzermatt 7 ай бұрын

Here in Europe this joint is very common in old chairs and tables. It even has its own name, it's called a 'Grat' joint (Gratverbindung). It also has a specialty saw and plane that makes the work a lot easier (Gratsäge and the Grathobel, which you showed).

@J.A.Smith2397 Жыл бұрын

Nice, been waiting

@bakerzermatt 6 ай бұрын

I've been learning more about this joint trying to make my own moravian stool. I've been watching a lot of videos in German and I'm noticing an interesting difference with your technique. To make it easily fit you're removing material from the middle (like Chris Schwarz also said), but none of the German woodworkers do this. Instead, they all make the batten and the slot slightly wedge shaped, so that the batten goes in easily for 2/3 of the way, and then tightens in the final 1/3.

@darodes Жыл бұрын

Yayyyyy I’m always excited 😂

@markp6062 Жыл бұрын

Excellent!

@e139439 6 ай бұрын

9:03 "One page set of plans, exclusive to patreons" :D Damn dude you're good :)

@DeDraconis Жыл бұрын

"We made a one page set of plans exclusive to our Patreons." *Shows the 1 page in high enough resolution that everyone watching can see every detail.* I mean, I'm not complaining or anything, it just kind of made me lol. xD

@bab3038 Жыл бұрын

Very good video. But I miss your opening jingle and joke. That was kind of your signature/brand, and set the right light hearted tone for your channel. Perhaps it was too much work for you, but I bet I'm not the only one who misses it.

@robertclarke2571 Жыл бұрын

hi planing on making a nice bookcase and think the sliding dove tails would look lovely to hold the shelves

@RexKrueger Жыл бұрын

Sure. That's a technique that people use for shelves. Practice on scrap!

@usaf4dbt Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@hunters36forgingwoodworkin73 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting.

@conbertbenneck49 Жыл бұрын

Rex, in southern Germany, ward robe close doors, that are usually made of two wide boards, use a tapered joint to hold the closet doors. Bavarian chairs are also made using the same technology. Nails or fasteners are expensive; another piece of local pine is always available.

@MH-sw8cg Жыл бұрын

Not only in southern Germany. This joint is used all over Europe. And not only for doors and waderobes, also for tabletops it was used. In German it is called " Gratleiste"

@borjesvensson8661 3 ай бұрын

@@MH-sw8cghere in sweden too. "Gradlist"

@zidnyknight3611 11 ай бұрын

Thanks

Жыл бұрын

Hello Rex. I'm from Moravia in Czech Republic, where this stool comes from. I'm looking forward to see the full build. Tomas.

@byronservies4043 Жыл бұрын

I have read that sliding dovetail runners are used in Europe a lot. ECE used to have a sliding dovetail saw, and I think Ulmia still sells one. They are just a crosscut saw with a built-in 45 degree bevel

@brucelee3388 Жыл бұрын

You will see a lot in second hand tool sales where they are usually labelled as 'staircase saws' - the difference being that real staircase saws are flat across the bottom of the wooden handle while dovetail saws have angled faces with the saw blade coming out of the point of the 'V'.

@bakerzermatt 11 ай бұрын

Yes, it's a common joint in Europe, and it has its own name in German (Grat) that has nothing to do with the word for dovetails (Zinke). It would be cool to show the specialist tools for this joint! The sliding dovetail plane (Grathobel) is mentioned in the video, but the other tool is the 'Gratsäge' which is the only western pull-saw. It has fairly rough crosscut teeth and is designed to be pulled towards the user. This allows a stopped joint (similar to a stopped dado) and it gets out the sawdust to prevent the teeth getting clogged. Also, the depth of the saw blade is adjustable, so you get a consistent depth for the whole joint.

@byronservies4043 11 ай бұрын

@@bakerzermatt I would watch that video a 100 times.

@bakerzermatt 11 ай бұрын

@@byronservies4043 if you search 'Gratverbindung' 'Gratsäge' and 'Grathobel' you can find some cool videos, but they'll be in German. Still, there's a lot to learn just by watching them work! It's also cool to see them use the German style router plane (Grundhobel) that's a big block of wood with an L-shaped blade. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mr5lmpSWvd-7XX0.html

@leehaelters6182 Жыл бұрын

4:30 to 4:40, for those who are well equipped enough to have that router, then you can use that directly to gauge the line on your batten.

@windhelmguard5295 Жыл бұрын

another thing the sliding dovetail is really good at is for making one wide board out of many narrow ones. all you need to is cut the sliding dovetails through all of your narrow boards, then make batons that are long enough to go across al your narrow boards to join them together. this video is a great example, although perhaps a bit advanced for people who are new to woodworking: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jdGdp9SBkr-vp30.html

@ikust007 Жыл бұрын

Yeah!

@walterschmalgemeier3156 Жыл бұрын

To make your saw cut easier try clamping from the seat surface instead of the button. That puts the bulk of the clamp hanging down out of the way of the saw blade.

@salimufari Жыл бұрын

Personally when cutting the plank I like to work far to near. You can easily over shoot the near side by accident. Also the scratch can help you tune the groove. Not just the batten if you add a top deck fence to ride the surface.

@mariushegli Жыл бұрын

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@yizhuolin3906 Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if it's common in Japanese and Korean but in Chinese furniture this sliding dovetail baton is very commonly used in frame and panel construction. some even make tapered dado and batten to lock it tight on the panel.

@borjesvensson8661 3 ай бұрын

Same in europe. Do you have a special small saw with a woodem back for it like here in europe or just use the frame saw?

@yizhuolin3906 3 ай бұрын

@@borjesvensson8661 yes and the saw back is made in one piece with the handle, looks like this: tshop.r10s.com/eb9/129/c798/8bbd/70c9/68e1/d16f/11d8ec88620242ac110003.jpg?_ex=486x486

@RichardBuckman Жыл бұрын

A japanese azebiki saw is great for this

@leehaelters6182 Жыл бұрын

Must clear the dust more easily, eh?

@brucelee3388 Жыл бұрын

There seems to be an optical illusion when you are placing the batten against the seat to check the layout lines - it looks as if the batten is only as wide as the narrowest portion of the dovetail, not the widest.

@RichardBuckman Жыл бұрын

Stupidly, this was the first joint I started woodworking with before standard dovetails.

@sarinhighwind Жыл бұрын

Why not do one of the homemade style router planes with a chisel to bulk remoce material before coming in with the regular router plane?

@borjesvensson8661 3 ай бұрын

I would probbly have used a simple rabet plane

@richardstevenson2727 Жыл бұрын

👍

@tomaszatko9562 Жыл бұрын

When was wood first used?

@jimcarter4929 Жыл бұрын

Where is link to Chris Schwartz article?

@rollingstone3017 Жыл бұрын

www.popularwoodworking.com/wp-content/uploads/MoravianStool.pdf

@davidkehrer7342 Жыл бұрын

I didn’t see the link in the description

@leehaelters6182 Жыл бұрын

Rex, I am only at 1:09, but you seem to be sizing your batten to drop into the housing, without anything left for a tail.

@RexKrueger Жыл бұрын

Why you would leave this comment without just finishing the video is a mystery I will never understand.

@leehaelters6182 Жыл бұрын

@@RexKrueger, point taken. Will advise.

@leehaelters6182 Жыл бұрын

@@RexKrueger, and thanks for the quick reply, I forgot to say. OK, I finished the video, but I do not see where it makes clear what that undersized batten is about, What time mark?

@lostpony4885 Жыл бұрын

I dont have a router plane. I can see using a small block and coarse sandpaper to work down the foot taking a bit more time

@saveriog.825 Жыл бұрын

You can make one with a chisel and a piece of wood. Rex should have a video about.

@gosonegr Жыл бұрын

@@saveriog.825 Not the best for this application, you can't really shave the corners since the chisel's bevel can't properly reach but you can make one with an allen key fairly easily

@memilanuk Жыл бұрын

I'm not seeing the link to Schwarz's article mentioned @05:08...

@aaronlinville6882 Жыл бұрын

Why would you not create the sawing guide using the battens? That way the guide you create is part of the finished piece and there’s no excess work.

@leehaelters6182 Жыл бұрын

Aaron, agreed. The batten does not really need a shoulder to function and, as you say, can be used itself for guiding the saw. Might become a bit scarred, but nothing another plane shaving would not fix. A good reason for leaving the battens long until fitting. And the batten can be given a proper taper in its length, as well.

@hbert06 Жыл бұрын

Did I miss it or didn't you mention that it HAS to be tapered?

@JamesGriffinT Жыл бұрын

One of my favourite videos about woodworking is where Andrew Hunter describes how traditional Chinese woodworkers used tapered sliding dovetails in frame and panel construction: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l6pmpMd7s7ubd3k.html I think he uses an electric router to cut his, but the method Rex describes should work just fine!

@SpookyMcGhee Жыл бұрын

I've cut this joint once before but I cheated and used the Bridgeport 🤣

@tkarlmann Жыл бұрын

What a terrible shame! You spent all that time & effort making such a precise joint, when it wasn't necessary. I go for Tapered Sliding Dovetails everywhere I can. Tolerances are far less critical, you use the same tools & procedures you used here, and the joint is easy to assemble -- as only the ends of the sliding part is going into infinite tightness! Also: Why would you use a tenon saw for a crosscut? Remember: Roy Underhill is watching you!

@marijanbeloica2725 Жыл бұрын

Whats with the audio

@doubleedgedsword6352 Жыл бұрын

Next time; knife wall, chisel and router plane. No need for a saw, which is inherrently inaccurate.

@Wyonsvd Жыл бұрын

Great video - $40 for a hand tool hero/screwdriver! Woah bro… that’s steep even for a fan

@EyeOnTheTV Жыл бұрын

9:14 Wait what? So no to sponsorships??? Didn't you sponsor a tool product literally 3 minutes earlier?????? mkay......

@michaeldoto4673 Жыл бұрын

Rex designed the tool and has them manufactured here in the USA. He owns the company that sells them, so essentially, there is no “sponsorship” although if you wanted to, you could say he is sponsoring himself. I hope that clears up your question..