Could not agree with you more. RHINO if you are listening; Sabbath needs the Audiophile treatment.

Thanks Scott. Needs to happen.

Me too. For $39 a pop. 5000 max will sellout quick.

@@stevewestman7774 I sure would not hesitate

That’s why I did this vid. It NEEDS to happen.

Well at $39.99 plus shipping. Not awful. Lol. You will be fine Dustin. Lol.

Let’s do it.

Yes they posted the news on my roundtable vid. That is great news.

All of them. Please.

@@stevewestman7774 oh ok. Not a Dio fan but I agree. Great channel Steve.

Right!!!!

🙏🙏🙏🙏

Here’s to hoping. 🙏

Let’s make it happen. Rhino if you are listening. Please 🙏.

Easy sell out.

I ma still hopeful the get here Rhino Hi Fi treatment. Time will tell. Here’s to hoping. 🙏

100%

Oh I know. It has to happen. Kevin will do Amazing.

🙏👍

just trying to learn.... - from what I have gathered - there are two different versions of the Rhino editions - ones that came out in 2004-2011 and then newly remastered ones that came in 2016 (from 2012 CD remasters) - the earlier ones - claim to be from AAA master tapes - you are saying - that there are two different versions of OG TAPE out there from the 70's?? - one from the UK and one from the US? Assuming then that the US is a copy of the UK original - at some point there has to be ONE original - so is this why UK editions of sabbath are "better" and also why they cost a lot more - and are nearly impossible to find in good shape and complete (the swirl labels)? So - RHINO - who is owned by WARNER - probably doesnt have access to those OG UK tapes? - since they were on Vertigo - or is Vertigo later bought out and swallowed up by Warner? Honestly - I have the AAA editions from 2004-2011 - Kevin Gray, Chris Bellman and Ron McMaster and they sound great to me - there is a volume dip in War Pigs in the beginning - again - I thought that was on the "OG" tape - only the US version has this?

@@PiecesofVinyl Yeah it can get confusing. I don't claim to know what is available as far as tapes or even if the UK tapes are in shape to use. But here is what I understand and deduce.. Usually what happens is you have country of origin. That is, where the recordings were done is the source of the original mastertape. I do not believe the UK tapes have ever been used for reissues on vinyl. Hype stickers can say many things and mislead. Do I know this for a fact? No. But I do not believe UK masters were used from what I gather. And if they were, the reissues are still inferior to the UK originals and early reissues that used the same stampers. In the case of Sabbath: Regent Sound Studios, Island Studios in London, England for their first three albums. The exception being Vol 4 was recorded in America at the Record Plant. Then it was back to England for Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (oddly enough this album is the exception to the country of origin sounding best. Warner Label USA pressing Burbank is much better) Sabatoge was also recorded in London, this time Morgan Studios. After that I fall off the collecting of Sabbath for the most part. When other countries put out the lps they may get the og metal work or they may not. Germany for example did. Thus why they sound very good like the og's. Warners in American I believe made 1:1 copytapes of the masters or maybe even lower generations. That I am not privy to. But they are not the orginal british mastertapes. Now, a 1:1 copy or even lower generational tapes can, if mastered properly, sound just as good and even better than the originals. Copytape does not always mean worse. It depends on the transfer, condition of tapes etc. All that taken into consideration, even if the copytapes Warners made sound exactly like what the british mastertapes sound like, the mastering has been inferior to the originals. What that is due to may be several factors: mastering choices, transfer quality, tape wear etc. All I know is that the US lps from the beginning to current reissues are all inferior to the original Vertigos (save for the exception of Sabbath Bloody Sabbath) Thus my thinking of going back to the very beginning and using the original british tapes IF they are available and in good shape. And IF Rhino has access to them. I am not clear as to what Rhino can access, but Steve here mentioned that Rhino does have access to them. As far as the dropout or volume dip on the Rhino from the US tapes, no it is not on the original like this. Therefore, at some point the mastertape did not have that drop in volume. Now, was that a operator error in the previous Rhino mastering or is the US tape jacked in that area? I dont know. Do the US copytapes sound like the original tapes and are basically just like using the UK masters? I do not know. What I do know is there are significant differences in the US reissues and the original UKs. IF that is due to source and the UK tapes have more magic on them and Rhino can get access, then I am in favor of using the UK tapes. Bottom line: If there is a 1:1 copytape of the UK mastertape that sounds like the original mastertape or if Rhino has access to the UK original tapes and they sound great, I dont care. Whichever. My concern is totally sound quality. Just as in the case of the Classic Records and Jimmy Page remasters, they sound nothing like the originals nor do they stand up to any better versions before them. These were mastering choices. Both of those Zep reissue campaigns are inferior not due to tapes but mastering choices. My opinion on future Sabbath reissues: Get the original mastertapes or copytapes that sound the same as the mastertapes, access original Vertigo lps of Sabbath (Warners Burbank lp for BSB), match the new mastering as close as possible to the best sounding original lps and let her rip. Dont modernize, dont fiddle about personalizing the mastering. Just make them sound as close to the originals as possible with the best characteristics of the og Vertigos and the old BSB Warner Burbank lp. Rhino will see folks falling all over to get these if they are able to do this.

@@FleagleSangria I have an OG Warner copy of SBS - glad to hear that is the better version - though I will say - I have compared it to my 2010 Chris Bellman Rhino AAA and the 2010 sounds better to me. Have you heard the AAA Rhino Re issues? I have them all and they sound really good to me. They are def. worth getting if you don't want to wait for Rhino to do another run with KG. That said - I would certainly buy new ones if they did it this way - like the Cars and Coltrane with the really nice jackets and the OBIs - but the sound needs to be there which I imagine it would. Im happy for now with my AAA Rhino Cuts.

@@PiecesofVinyl What do you like better sonically about the 2010 Rhino SBS compared to the og Warner Burbank? Yes, I have the reissues of SBS, Vol 4 and Sabatoge from 2011 that were cut by Chris Bellman, the other reissues of other albums later reissued that were mastered by Andy Pearce and cut by Sean McGee from Abbey Road (which hopefully means the UK tapes are ok) The Black Sabbath catalogue masterings reality are just all over the place. Ron McMaster mastered the first Sabbath lp for Rhino in 2010. Then 2016 Andy Pearce remasters came out with Sean McGee cutting the lps. And of course Kevin Gray mastered Paranoid. And the list goes on Greg Moore, some other fellow JP. Ive had everything from Sanctuary to DMM Earmarks to the Deluxe versions from 2016. The Rhino Vol 4 from 2011 cut by Chris Bellman is probably the best of the bunch. But nothing holds a candle to the originals. The reissues are all varying degrees of meh to pretty good to the Vol 4 being good. The Sean McGee cut Vol 4 outright sucks. Not sure what happened there. (My dirty little secret is that the Masters Of Reality SHM-SACD is pretty close to the original Vertigo and beats all vinyl reissues imo.) In the end, as far as Black Sabbath on vinyl reissues, like I said its just all over the place mastering wise. It would be fantastic to get a cohesive, close to the original masterings of at least the first four albums from one mastering engineer that stays as faithful as possible to the UK originals. One and done. Keep them in print for a couple of years. This equals happy Black Sabbath fans. Heck make a fancy boxset of the first six if need be. Ok, Im not a fan of the latter idea as I would rather see individual releases because defective lps in boxsets are a pain to replace, but whatever it takes.

Good one!

Yes will do.

Thank you Steve! I do NOT want to receive damaged records that they will NOT replace. again, due to their crappy mailers. @@stevewestman7774

I know. Darn it.

Are you listening RHINO???

Yes please.

So will I.

I want a KG Black Sabbath self titled. Kevin only remastered Paranoid.