Me too🍍😁

Same lol

Same

Same it’s a great method

Samee

Mine even looks at me a certain way from time to time 😆

AHA thats me

The poor put in the time with the horse and a lot of self awareness because of their financial limitations. The rich have some notion they can buy their way to success. When you see the rich person who believes they will be a lvl 3 dressage rider in no time bc they dropped $25K on their Friesian import but have had the exact same lesson 6 X and still don't understand it. It leaves room to blame those who tacked the horse up or they need a different trainer or just deflect blame while the poor person works only on themselves and their relationship and communication with their horse because their is no one else to blame. Sadly the divide gets larger on the wealthy disliking the poor and the wealthy go buy a new horse the next year and the poor keep the same one and now have two years working with this horse and have gotten better. This is just my experience but it seems to be consistent at many barns I have been to and many competitions from when I used to compete. I was the poor person with years of training into a horse that took all the ribbons and the rich people bought a new shiny model of horse that costs more than my current car every year.

I worked as a stablehand and I agree with you. Poor people are usually more in touch with their horse(s).

​@@DustyHoney Discussion with a friend - "Did you know there are stables that groom and tack your horse for you?" and we both found out as adults. We were always taught this was our time to bond, go over every inch of our horse for safety such as finding a rock when picking a hoof and get to know them inch by inch, and we always tacked our own horses and knew if there is/was an issue. We never sent our horses out to someone else to be trained. We had to educate ourselves and then our horses. We kept the same horse for years and years and years vs "the rich girls" in my show area getting a new show horse each year. I don't know if I could fully bond with a new horse in a 6 mo show season every year. We didn't have fancy gear to "fix" problems (martingales, tie downs, draw reins, etc). . . we had time, techniques, and lots of learning and training. Even as an adult with a job and savings account I still prefer the "poor" method because I know all of the fancy gear is a band aid solution to a real problem. I still keep it as simple as possible with time, technique, and repetition. I just hopefully don't make as many mistakes as when I was learning to train and am so much quicker on the release and a better equine communicator now.

@@Lizzard2060 Everything you said is absolutely true.

@@Lizzard2060 I have seemed to notice this as well at my first barn you knew who was rich and who wasent and who rode English or westren it was a bigger deal to ride English then westren I moved barns because of the bullying I got into westren pleasure you could tell who was rich and who wasent based on riding clothes if you rode English it ment you where pretty much rich if you ride westren not so much then I finally found a lease oppturnity if learning to rope cattle cattle drive like in the movies know I have my own horse and her name is stardust and hopefully we get to go on further trail rides I asked my mom if I could go back to English or dressage and my mom said that the horse I own know is a wrangler/ranch horse and use to roping cattle and I need westren saddle for trail rides

Same

I would rather not have someone else groom and tack my horse. He's my horse so the pleasure of caring for him is also mine.

My Mom started me out at a place like that. I had 4 or 5 lessons there, before Mom was all NOPE. “You need to learn how to groom/tack up and take care of a horse yourself.” Eternally grateful she saw to that, and found us a more hands on stable to learn.💕

Was always taught this was not just grooming time but the time for you to bond with your horse. Plus the time to thoroughly inspect your mount. Any warm legs? Limps? Any bruises on the soles from stepping on a rock in pasture? Any bites or kicks from other horses, etc? You want to make sure your mount is healthy and in good health when you get on and when you do a quick brush off after to make sure no injuries happened while riding. Recently saw a horse with a twig through just above the fetlock and it was there for three days before anyone noticed. Seriously. I also clean my own tack and condition it. I know how I like it and don't need anyone "helping" me by adjusting anything or making sure I use a back cinch or whatever. I love my tack how it is and have worked 30 years to find what works best for me and my horses so unless you know me very well, no touchy.

None of you have ever been poor, but please continue, it's shocking how clueless people are.

Lucky! 😅

Same!! I'm hoping soon I'll be able to manage a half-lease!

Yea right! My family or I never had the money to get me into horse riding 😔 But hands down - if it was priority nr. 1, I could probably do it. But now my dog and university are the priorities.

Hang in there!

I'm too poor for lessons 😭

I agree! I just got my own horse at 15 from a stable I've gone to for 4 years, and i got myself a job and help-out with expenses when i can. I love caring for my horse, even just brushing her. You don't have to spend thousands of dollars on things for horses, they'll enjoy a 75c apple. Hope you're well!

Exactly 👏👏

I agree! I'm 15, i just got a job and i got my own horse from a stable I've been going to for 4 years. I will help-out with money when i can, and if she gets shots or whatever, and I have more of a positive attitude with money bc i didnt grow up with much but still make do with what i have. I'm not a very confident person, but i try to be. Same with being responsible. :)

Same here 😂

Me too!!!

same! i own everything from a saddle to my own brushes, but don’t own a horse 😂

same! I work on a ranch - I clean their pastures/barn then I am allowed to go riding but not get my own horse.

Same😂

Hahaha SAME! 🤣

Amazing warm winter fleece lined pants 1/3 price of Kerrits - FitsT4 Women's Fleece Lined Riding Breeches Winter Equestrian Pants Loving them!

What happened with the mare? I want to know how it turned out.

@@fozziebean She was a great little mare and I will never live it down. I paid for her to stay overnight at the sales barn in a stall as I went in just a car because I was "just looking". So the next day my friend showed up early at like 0600 at my home and I hadn't told my family yet who own the farm/property all our horses are kept on. She knocks on the door and I look at my father and ask him to use the truck and the horse trailer because "I umm bought a horse yesterday". He looks down and sighs but we pack up the truck and trailer and head out to pick her up. I brought a 3 horse slant/stock trailer so we just made a shoot for her to run in since she was not even halter broke or had been handled before. I never live it down and to this day when I say I went out I still get asked if I bought a new horse!!! because you know it just happens sometimes. At home we backed the trailer up to the fencing as close as possible and then ran equine stock panels from the trailer to the round pen to get her unloaded. She spent days and days in the round pen with me bringing out 5 gallon buckets for water and her grain was used for training. I would be sitting by her grain everyday so she had to deal with me and people. She was wild and unhandled like a mustang but sadly all those men scared her so her primary ideas about men/humans are not great at this moment. I sat out there with her for hours and hours and hours and she needed to see I was not a threat in any way and I had to make no fast movement no matter what she did. I needed to let her get curios and investigate me, smell me, lick me, nibble my clothing, nibble on ropes near me, nibble on a carrot stick, etc. After a few days of her becoming curios and associating me/people with good things like feed and being non threatening we started round pen work. This was getting forward movement and inside turns to face me and no gear other than a carrot stick but wild horses are so sensitive they can need little to no pressure other than your arm being outstretched. I had to teach her to come to me on her own because even if I "tricked" her into a halter and lead I would have still had to teach her to give to pressure because she has no idea what any of that means. Eventually she calms down in forward movement and will walk and come to me in the round pen. Then I start desensitizing with my hands. I figure out her safe spot where she is OK letting me touch her and we go from there out one inch further at a time and if she feels uncomfortable no one is forcing her and she can run away because no gear, no forcing. I will just regain control by asking for the speed and direction control and eventually ask her to come back to me and we go back to inch by inch expanding where the horse will allow me to touch her. The lower half of the legs and the poll is the hardest because in the wild the legs are death to a horse and in captivity the lower legs are death to a horse because I need to be able to trim her and have her pick up her feet. The first trims I am the one who picks up her feet and hold them for the farrier. Once I can touch anywhere I play some horse games like teaching her to follow me as you don't need a lead rope to lead a horse. We play the games about following me and coming to me and being able to be touched. I do put a halter on and we go through everything we know with a halter on so we learn it's not a big deal as the halter doesn't really give you control and every horse could just drag you away if they wanted. Next I add a lead rope and we start with learning to give to pressure by combining the lead with the cues we already know. Once I can lead her and catch her and put on a halter and lead without a hassle and we practice going in and out of the round pen without running away in larger pastures and when we see other horses/triggered then I let her join the rest of the herd. I still needed to herd her into a smaller pen to get the lead and halter on her for a while once she was allowed with the rest of the horses and walk her to the round pen for training. She was always as avoidant of hurting anyone as she was the first day I saw her clear those men and she wouldn't hurt a toddler/baby when I was done with her. Really agile and fast as they come. Imagine a POA size and look with a sleek body design like you shrunk an Arabian. Still moved like a deer. The best thing about wild horses is they are not just thinking about what is 1 mi away but they know what is going on within a 20 mi radius around them. Very sensitive and aware and acute. Gives to cues and pressure very easily. Wants to learn and be rewarded. The times you ever have to use negative reinforcement are few and far between and the horse is like "OMG, I must have really been bad". You can see the way I train is the horse always has the option to leave or runaway so by the time a person actually mounts the horse is/should be more than ready because I laid on and pretended to mount 100X from the right side and I did the same from the left side. Then I just got on for 30 seconds and got off and you see the horse go over to the mounting block like "why did you get off, get back on" and then we just walk for a bit and I get off. If a horse bucks me off when I get on the first few times then I missed something in training and need to take a step back and go over things again. However she would not understand how her twisting movements throw off the rider so it was a lot of her getting a feel for the rider being centered and when she got too excited and would jump and twist or could move under me and feel me get off center. . . . she needed to learn how her movements affected the rider. Pro Tip - I know I said 100X but it's actually proven that each thing you train a horse you should repeat 300X before you know a horse will really remember and be comfortable with it. So, in training when we learn left/right turns we do 300 left turns and 300 right turns at a walk that day so the horse really knows and remembers. The first 100ish may be the same direction until they are fully anticipating what I am asking for with a touch of the reins. Then we switch to 100 the other way. Now we do maybe 30 of the orignal until I have that anticipation again and then I go to the other side so they need to keep them thinking and eventually by the 300 I am picking left or right as I go and they can't anticipate. This keeps both sides of the brain engaged and creates enough of a new neural pathway that they will still remember in the future. However mustangs/wild horses and well trained regular horses can notice your eyeballs shift so they really can sort of read your mind by the end and almost learn to anticipate you when you even reach for the reins and put 1% pressure on. Your goal is always the least amount of pressure for the most results. After your do a day of 300 left and 300 right turns you can then move on to what is next on your list because they have a substantial idea of what left and right turns are. Of course you can only ask for so much running and physical items in a day but horses can learn a lot mentally in a day and keep it with them. The fact they feel your eyeballs shift or your heart race also shows how mindful of your own body you need to be when working with a horse as well. She ended up being very very very good but was for advanced riders who were aware of their body language. My friend did end up riding my stallion pretty much full time and I rode my lead mare and worked on training this little gal as this took hours and months to do things in a non forceful way but it lasts and the horse remembers and stays sensitive. Light on her feet. Fast as could be if you wanted her to game. Would have been a good all around POA type. She could jump way over anything you would have expected. She could have gone onto be a hunter jumper with some finishing in that area as had a great bill of health. I did sell her when I became pregnant with my second child and could not give all my horses the times I felt they required. Her only con and I don't believe it's a con - You can't manhandle or drag her. Have had men try to just yank the lead rope from 6 feet in front of her instead of being where you are supposed to be to lead a horse and men grab her halter to get her to forcefully come when I was pregnant and people didn't want me to "get hurt" and this 13.2 slim pony dragged 350lb men like nothing. She will not be manhandled. If you show her no respect for her intelligence and how sensitive she is and try to manhandle her instead of ask her nicely (asking her nicely would have worked with a loose lead very well) she will not go with you. You can't FORCE her. She will not tolerate being forced and she wont be out to hurt you but you will not get her to do what you want. She will just plant those feet and you will not move her. So then the pregnant lady with the huge belly comes in and goes to her neck/head where you should lead a horse, picks up lead with slack and walks her calmly to where she needs to go and the 350lb man is trying to recover his ego as he fell on his butt from grabbing the halter of a gentle pony. That is why she needed an advanced rider who would not "yank" on reins and had a gentle touch to communicate with the horse and already had a decent seat because she is sensitive and responds to cues very easily. So if you are yanking on reins or kicking her sides when just a simple kiss and shifting your hips will get her moving it would not be a good pairing.

@@Lizzard2060 I enjoyed reading this story and learned a good bit about horses. Thank you.

​@@Lizzard2060 What a delighful read!! I know this is over 2 years but hopefully you and your family are in good health. 😊

I know right!

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And the Kerrits breeches tend to have great pockets. Just sayin. They fit and I can put like 5 full carrots in there and a phone on the other side. Does it look weird? Yes. Do the pants slide down? No. Worth it

Went to my first Big shows in the English world this last year, and WOW culture shock!! I didn't know people/horses actually dressed like they do in ad pictures, in the warm up ring no less, and every day a complete wardrobe change. I still can't get my mind around the $ i saw and knowing the each of those people didnt just have one set of horse boots, pad, etc but many... i am 36 and still wore the black jacket my older sister got used in 6th grade, its a little sm in the shoulders but looks okay and a coat doesn't buy a score. Anyway what you say about relationships, Wow yeah that also shocked and grieved me. It was sad to watch so many fellow competitors who had clearly spent 100k+++ dance through a test yet very clearly lack soo much. Sadly they don't realize what they don't have.

@@lydia4127 just know that not all riders in any discipline are like that 😄

@@skylarthefloof9778 @Jessica Pratt oh yes I'm well aware, everyone is unique with their own story. Just like I know there are other people of my income level who also compete in big shows. There were 3 or 4 of us at the finals who had old pickups. And I know there's people with a lot of money who get out and do their own work and have a deep connection with their animal. But all of that knowledge isn't going to stop me from struggling to get my mind around the amount of money I saw.

I thrift all of my riding gear (sans helmets) Most of it is name brand but dirt cheap XD

The fact that a top-level dressage horse is well over 100k tho 💀

Trust me, if you own a horse you are very poor. Horses eat money. And they are worth every penny.

@@lisanadinebaker5179 Well you only own a horse bc you are privileged even for western standards.

@@beansandrunning no, not privileged by Western standards. You would be surprised how many people own horses in this country. It is common in the Midwest where I live. I give up things such as cable, fancy haircuts/color, eating out, going out, new clothes, to be able to pay for her upkeep. She is older, and we cannot do as much as we used to, but I will do whatever necessary to make sure that she is taken care of.

@@lisanadinebaker5179 I don't want to say that you need to be rich to own a horse, but you can't be poor. It's a huge animal that needs food, a lot of space and time. If you were even close to poor you would not own a horse. That is in no way ment in a negative way. That you are able to pay for food, water and a home for you and a horse is not exactly poor.

@@beansandrunning i hear you. And it is criminal how many people in our country are truly poor. what the gov considers as "poverty" is well below what anyone can really survive on. And the few % of people who make 6 figures are clueless about it. Some by choice. I keep my horse at a boarding barn, so i dont own a farm or a lot of land. Basically, i pay her rent. I have a good drive each way, because the ones closer are more expensive. It is all a trade off. If you are interested in horses and cant afford it, ask around for boarding stables. We are always willing to talk about our horses!

You could literally not be more wrong

I was thinking that, but I guess when your horse is your nr. 1 priority and you invest every penny you gain in it + your savings are for the vet etc. - that probably does make you a "poor equestrian"?

It depends on where you live. There are people with family farms who get a free horse dumped on them and stick it out in a field. There are also charitable programs for riding and kids who hang around a barn where they ignore labor laws and do chores in exchange for lessons or a lease. The people who have horses for enjoyment usually have decent money, but the people who do the labor associated with horses, like the trainers, exercise riders, and stable hands can be at or below poverty, but still have the skills to be considered equestrians.

In my state you move to a cheap area where acreage doesn't cost much. Do T-Posts and hotwire. We have two main hubs for slaughter auctions so horses are sold by the pound every week by Friday. In my state only coggins really needs to be done by a vet and teeth floating. You can buy your own shots from the farm store and do most of them yourself like west nile and so on. You don't need a permit for the barn if you don't pour a foundation so steel building it is as it's not a permanent structure and adding all of this up with a trailer home still comes in at half what a home in the cities costs. So yeah, we can do it CHEAP. My farrier will also take lambs for payment for multiple services. My mechanic also takes cords of firewood. Cheapest horse I paid for was $75 and highest I ever paid was $1200 and she lived with us 22yrs of good riding for anyone who wanted to ride her and was kid safe. Lived to 35 yrs old. Saddles can be bought used or bartered for. FYI Some of the horses that come through slaughter auctions you can tell belonged to a little girl as the ponies are all groomed and their manes and tails are still braided and sometimes have ribbons. For barns or those with kids you drive out to inspect them ASAP as they may make a good lesson horse or kids horse. It's not just crap that comes through there.

Right? Where is just some T-Posts, hot wire, and a run in shelter? and even better if it's on rented/leased land for wayyyyy cheap. Barn? Pfft. Those are expensive.

@@Lizzard2060 Must admit, in the dead of a winter blizzard, with icicles hanging down from their bellies, I muse that they, like me, were built for hardship, but unlike my horses, I can occasionally treat myself to just a taste of the life of Lords & Ladies with a visit to a day spa. All they get is a hoof trim without the atmosphere.

@@cherylchild Don't get me wrong, I would love a million dollars and a heated barn with electric and water with a small indoor arena and automatic waterers with nice fencing set up to rotate pastures easily and a nice tractor but. . . . . . some of us built our own run in's and our shoulders/back vibrated for 3 days from pounding in t-posts. I like me a facial every once in a while too. I just happen to feel very comfy smelling of horse and dog and hay and critters basically. I had alfalfa in my SUV and I didn't want to take it out because it was the best car air freshener I have had since I bought the car.

@@Lizzard2060 You ain't a real horsewoman unless you're walking around with hay sticking out of your socks!

For sure! I made a tarp 'building' to keep my hay and tools in by suspending tarps strung up through trees... it was so awesome... bc it worked well! (Northern Wisconsin, so no heat, frigid Temps and lots of snow, and water had to be hosed from the house, about 100' away, fed out the basement window and hooked up to the washer water line! Lol. Extension cord also ran that length to power the tank heater and the fencer...) I'll say this, though- my horses are hardy! Only one instance of colic in the last 15 or so years, no hoof issues at all...

That's awesome!

lol... rich women can pay their own way.

Whoah! Those are my favorite youtubers! That would be awesome!

yes totally agree!!!!

@Gypsy Equestrian

Same

Yeppp ... I used to volunteer with horses every week to earn 4-5 lessons per year. I was middle class but people who could afford lessons (let alone a horse) seemed wealthy to me

I totally got covered in snot this morning, I buy almost all my clothes from the thrift store. If I do buy something new it's not going near the barn because I can't resist going to see them when I am out back and they always get something on me lol.

that sounds so nice, which country/state do you live in?

North Carolina!

The horse knows when your acting fake and prefers the real more relaxed you

If you work on the law of attraction you would ended up having one of yours! You are kinda there already... just saying...

@@pamelasaba7885 That is such a beautiful thought. Thank you!

Sameee