Thanks Carl I really appreciate you returning to your mini essays

No thanks, no more jewish desert religions for me, rabbi.

Oh man have I missed this content. I love the lotus eaters and what you've done there but this is hitting the nostalgia hard. Cheers!

Follow the religion of your ancestors. Heathenism/Paganism.

Womp womp​@@77Avadon77

Are you compairing faith to flowers? not a great comparrison

@@spiderjeranimo4992 Whoosh. He's comparing society in general to flowers. The stem is faith.

@@spiderjeranimo4992 This comperison is not to the faith, but more about how Dawkins lament thet our western civilisation failing, but don'T understand thet he is in fact cut off the flower (svilisation) from the stem (mythical-religious bases) and by this killed the flower he loved so much.

No he’s comparing the civilization which spring forth from the Christian religion. The Christian religion and faith are the plant. The flower is the end result of the Christian religion and faith. Removing the flower from the religion and faith results in a dying civilization. The results of which are every where in the west.

@@reactiondavant-garde3391 Saying that Dawkings cut the flower from the stem is giving him too much credit. The stem was cut long ago. Dawkins was merely plucking out the petals.

For real.

maybe drinking diaherria is bad for you, regardless the fact that a conservative told you this fact😂

Exactly.

Oh no! Anyways.

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Sure Christianity is not down and out. But the Church of England is certainly not hanging around that long.

I think he's got such a doomer approach to it because he's English. In America, Christianity is winning converts still, especially in certain areas of the country. In the U.S., Catholics and Evangelicals are holding strong in many areas, even among young people. This is just not true anywhere in England.

I think a great deal of the West will fall and change, much of it will convert to Islam, much of it will recede and collapse, much of its culture will be destroyed, much of its race replaced. But there will be those will flee this and learn the lesson of why throwing away all that made it what it was was wrong, and they will begin again. They will grow, spread, and flourish with greater conviction. History tends to be cyclical and sometimes its heartening to realize that not all we were will simply just disappear into the ether as though it never was, never to be reborn again. Sometimes, things just have to get a worse to get better.

Yeah the moment shit hits the fan there going to be running back to Christianity.

@@Master10k2 The Church of England grew out of the personal selfish actions of a King. It's hardly the Church started by Christ. Catholicism was legit, but became corrupt out of the Pope claiming universal power over the whole world and all peoples culminating in the split from the Orthodox Church in 1054. The Orthodox Church is really where the heart of Christianity is. The more other "Churches" deviate from the Orthodox Church, the more corrupt they are and lose the heart of Christiantity and fellowship. Jonathan Pageau was a major influence in me becoming Christian, then after a protestant phase, becoming Orthodox Christian.

I guess there was no way to control the nutjobs of the community.

The LBGTQ community knows they need fresh recruits to sustain their lifestyles and/or fetishes. It's not even necessary about recruiting children while they are children per se, but at least to draw people in so there's always a fresh batch of legal age participants in the non-cis-hetero intimate activities.

It's because we understood and understand certain Eternal Truths about Life and Humanity.

@@UnexpectedWonderAnd what truths are those, please enlighten me 🙏

@@HydraDominatus420 the nature of man.

Dawkins and Atheists didn't kill Christianity. Christianity killed Christianity. Their Pope is a progressive nut. They lose ground because they don't conserve it.

is christian truely dead or wait to rise as are savor has done. the problem with the last church was the emperor doesn't understand christian or what christian brought to the world.

@@juliangrant9718 Interesting. You don't know how christianity works in the slightest, don't you ? The Pope is only the leader of the Catholic Church, other denominations have different leaders, like how the Orthodox Church has the patriarchs instead of one singular leader. But you also missunderstand the Pope, he does not have the power to change any dogma, thus the traditions of the church still stand. This doesn't really matter to yall though, since catholics are a minority in northern Europe and North America, the majority in these places are the many protestant denominations, who don't answer to the Pope, infact, they pretty much all have it in their dogma that the Pope is the antichrist, and that catholics worship satan. TL;DR: the Pope has nothing to do with christianity falling in the States or in the UK.

From Brutus' perspective, yes. Dawkins can not boast Brutus' level of success and Caesar was no god.

Fortunately, Christianity is not dead. Actually, it is being revived around the world, specially in Latin America and in Africa. Our congregation here in Brazil even sends missionaries to europe, Africa, North America and Asia. And like us there are thousands of other christian organizations. In Brazil, Christianity is what's keepings leftists and globalists from advancing their agendas. As I see, the UK and other rich countries are late in this revival, but they will eventually be revived. Fight and pray, brothers... fight and pray. "So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand." Isaiah 41:10

It's Deja vu all over again!

History has stopped

Makes you feel old doesn't it? Had 3 kids in that time ! Lol

The more things change the more it stays the same

I'm tired of Earth, these people. I'm tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives.

These people are contributing to the downfall of everything we hold dear and love, and they don't even realize it. Terrifying. I'll hold on to my faith and my belief that everything is happening for a greater, more beautiful purpose. And I'll always temper my grievances with modern society with optimism and sober, honest introspection

We have a bingo!

He wants to believe in it but you can't believe in nonsense.

Christianity as a cultural thing, not a religious one. Something that people follow for the sake of tradition as opposed to actual belief in manmade mythology

​@@AverageAlien I think your confusing Christianity with athiesm

I want the car to go without the engine

Its a gradual climb down. More episodes coming over the years.

Men Without Chests is a chapter in The Abolition of Man. CSLewisDoodle had a great video of the entirety of Abolition of Man, but unfortunately it had to be taken down as the rights for the spoken reading changed hands. Really a crucial book for our age.

CS Lewis is the goat and hardly anybody knows it

We laugh at honor and are astonished to find traitors in our midst. Or something like that.

Osgiliath = Christianity Minas Ithil (Minas Morgul) = The Humanities Carchost and Narchost (The Black Gate/Towers of the Teeth) = The governments that were supposed to serve and protect our societies Cirith Dúath (Cirith Ungol) = the agencies responsible for fighting malicious subversion but guzzled down the coolaid with enthusiasm instead.

Rammas Echor (the wall around the Pelennor) = Our legal system Minas Tirith/Minas Anor = our remaining lowbrow culture, customs, associations And we're still puzzling over how the fire in the circumvallating trenches works. Sorcery? Deviltry? = ?

He accidentally created a political religion to replace Christianity, only to find it more irrational and fundamentalist than what it replaced.

Very ironic.

Yes, I don't see any issue with this. We preserve human art and beauty of the past, even if we don't believe in such things. The west isn't a communist society or a theocracy, YET. In these societies they destroy thee past for being different from what they believe, it's heresy. But in a secular society the preserve the past if for nothing else than for it's beauty and artistry even though no one believes in its superstitions. Should we burn the Mona Lisa because no one dresses like that any more? Should we tear town the Trevi Fountain because no one believes in Hellenistic gods any more? You know there is an intelligent and nuanced way to look at the world right?

@@level9drow856 There has to be an impetus towards the beautiful - the grotesque brutalism of the communists makes it very clear that humanity is not prewired to create beauty if it is forced to do otherwise. Religion forces an urge to transcend - even if its utter egotism the beautiful art at least inspiring to the faithful. Brutalism does nothing for anyone.

@@level9drow856You cannot puke on the God of the universe and not experience his wrath. Our culture deserves destruction if it thinks that you can have all the good things that come from God without believing that they actually come from God.

Whoops. Apparently getting rid of all religious values will not lead to an atheistic secular utopia?!?!?!?!? What timeline is this?

Never thought I'd see the day. What if Dawkins converts? How hilarious would that be?

@@BK-hq7tn - There is No Tragedy in Truth. If Dawkins Converts and it is Sincere He has come to Know The Truth. Jesus Christ is King. Jesus Christ is Saviour. Jesus Christ is God.

​@@skwills1629he did once say thet he'd never convert even if he saw a message written in the stars in multiple languages, he said something like if that happened it's aliens, he also said he follows the evidence, sadly he will never convert, even if he goes to hell, he would just cope.

@@skwills1629fax

One could argue that the early Christians eradicated what they could of earlier European cultures and religions and assimilated what they couldn't, twisting every holy celebration, every ancestral tradition, every cultural norm to henceforth be about them and theirs, and claiming every virtue and myth as actually being about them. But if you cut away the veneer of Yhwh worship, you'll find the roots go deep and are still able to sprout new leaves, once the parasitic growth is removed. You don't need a tyrannical father in the sky to dictate morality to you, nor to threaten you with eternal suffering for your failings to be a good person. You can choose to be a good person without them, and to honour your ancestors from before the 4th and 5th centuries proved Christian "morality", "temperance" and "forgiveness" to be just like the Left of today: when they are weak and you are strong, they beg for mercy for that is your code; when they are strong and you are weak, they burn your libraries and temples, ravage your people and convert them by the sword, because that is theirs.

The world of cyberpunk is kind of the end result of the decline of Christianity.

@AlleluiaElizabeth The Cyberpunk reference was only speaking towards the ability of characters to swap in another spine to keep them erect and moving. The West has no ability like that. Also, I just happened to be playing the game the other day.

@@AlleluiaElizabeth And the world cyberpunk is the result I desire. A just world not a sick one we have now.

Hah removing christianity is like removing one of the ticks on its body. Unfortunetely the parasite has spread wider and now atheistic compasion, charity and equality suck out all the value.

He like us are suffering from it. Sadly because there isn’t enough Christians to resist.

He told his listeners to mock us. They wouldn't dare mock Islam so they mock the ones compelled to love them.

Just like leftism, it's so easy to be an athiest in Western Civilization while enjoying the cultural fruits of Christianity. Militiant athiests are like children, rebelling against what gave them the values and freedom they take for granted. The fact that Dawkins doesn't see that you can't have a culturally Christian society without actual believing Christians belies his immaturity.

@@gottesurteil3201 Well, that's because Muslims cannot tolerate satire or critique. All you do is harassment and death threats, and astonishingly, you often act on them. What does that say about a religion of peace, when you threaten those who disagree? As for those who 'Wouldn't dare' to mock your god: Your god is so powerless, and his hegemony so fragile; that even the slightest hint of denigration and satire is an existential threat to his legitimacy; at which point you must eradicate the source of it.

​@@gottesurteil3201Who is they? Clearly not Dawkins, he has spoken against Islam plenty before

Its like wanting to live in big city but also wanting to have a farm with animals and gardens. You can't have religious buildings or its culture without actual Christians and priests to maintain it. Soon the only thing related to Christianity in western world will be a sale at Wallmart to celebrate Christmas as just some day of cheaper shopping.

He wants Christians to be this dependable and trustworthy serf class that he can rule over as a smug and idle "philosopher" king where he reaps the benefit of their toil and sacrifice without actually contributing anything.

​@@MrConredsX You're right about everything, except that a committed minority of Christians will remain, regardless of cultural pressure. We may fall out of favor and be considered lunatics, but we're not going anywhere.

@@cameronjames3499 exactly, that's what he wanted. To be the Ubermensch among "sheeple" who will tremble under his "wisdom and logic". Muslims aren't kind enough to listen to his yapping!

​@@cameronjames3499 This. Peter Hitchens made the same point in an Oxford Union debate.

Tbf most boomers at large were not directly or at least not consciously advocating it. But they may have been swept up in the zeitgeist in some degree.

​@@MidnightIsolde Well I mean someone must have been carrying the banner, but I get it. I probably would have been involved if I'd been born at that time. Great music. And the failures of their revolution seemed more about putting in the work and planning to create the new world they wanted, rather than the current plan in which there is no positive vision for new world at all, just the destruction of this one.

+@angledcoathanger and you are also at fault for not trying to fix what your parents damaged. Without avg 2 children your civilization will die.

This is the same boomer mindset though. "It's difficult to have a family so I'll just focus on myself".

@@chrisc7265 Nah there's non-societal reasons in our case. I'm just saying they hAve no right to complain

Or you could just like make a friend and go to the beach -

The issue is that once you are more aware of the reality the harder it becomes to lie to yourself.

GET SARGON WHITEPILLED reeeeeeeeee

@@TryingtoTellYouthat literally doesn’t help for anyone when thinking about their purpose and depression 😂

@@VincentDaly-cp6yq I would speculate that any attempt to link your idea of 'meaning' with the utilitarian frame of meaning would not satisfy you. In that case, all I can ask you in return is why should you have purpose?

Jesus Himself said that there will be people claiming to be His followers (without actual faith). He said that He will turn them away, saying "I never knew you".

This right here. The things that could be torn down were never of Christ to begin with. Dawkins is insignificant. Not even the gates of hell can prevail against the church of Jesus Christ. As in HIS people, the church.

Most believing Christians aren't even Christian. If you actually obeyed the words of Christ your life would be far worse than it is. You obey the words of Paul and of Popes who have been far from holy

@@user-ld9tf4td8s Paul was a disciple of Christ, and if Paul were to disagree with Christ (which he doesn’t) we would go with Christ. Christ is Lord ❤️‍🔥

Obviously, but what he's saying is that he's not against a cultural connection to Western heritage.

I mean. I get what Nietzsche meant, but Christians already knew that we murdered God. He came back, but we did very much kill him.

@@kathrineici9811 Even worse, we literally sacrificed him. He was the last bloody sacrifice to God the father.

What our Cheerfulness Signifies. The most important of more recent events - that "God is dead," that the belief in the Christian God has become unworthy of belief - already begins to cast its first shadows over Europe. To the few at least whose eye, whose suspecting glance, is strong enough and subtle enough for this drama, some sun seems to have set, some old, profound confidence seems to have changed into doubt: our old world must seem to them daily more darksome, distrustful, strange and "old." In the main, however, one may say that the event itself is far too great, too remote, too much beyond most people’s power of apprehension, for one to suppose that so much as the report of it could have reached them; not to speak of many who already knew what had taken place, and what must all collapse now that this belief had been undermined, - because so much was built upon it, so much rested on it, and had become one with it: for example, our entire European morality. This lengthy, vast and uninterrupted process of crumbling, destruction, ruin and overthrow which is now imminent: who has realised it sufficiently today to have to stand up as the teacher and herald of such a tremendous logic of terror, as the prophet of a period of gloom and eclipse, the like of which has probably never taken place on earth before? Even we, the born riddle-readers, who wait as it were on the mountains posted 'twixt today and tomorrow, and engirt by their contradiction, we, the firstlings and premature children of the coming century, into whose sight especially the shadows which must forthwith envelop Europe should already have come how is it that even we, without genuine sympathy for this period of gloom, contemplate its advent without any personal solicitude or fear? Are we still, perhaps, too much under the immediate effects of the event and are these effects, especially as regards ourselves, perhaps the reverse of what was to be expected - not at all sad and depressing, but rather like a new and indescribable variety of light, happiness, relief, enlivenment, encourage ment, and dawning day? In fact, we philosophers and "free spirits" feel ourselves irradiated as by a new dawn by the report that the "old God is dead"; our hearts overflow with gratitude, astonishment, presentiment and expectation. At last the horizon seems open once more, granting even that it is not bright; our ships can at last put out to sea in face of every danger; every hazard is again permitted to the discerner; the sea, our sea, again lies open before us; perhaps never before did such an "open sea" exist. - Friedrich Nietzsche - The Gay Science Book V - Aphorism # 343 If you're going to use his name you should actually read a book by the man instead of borrowing sound bites from Jordan Peterson.

Nietzsche was still at heart an anti-christian

@@gabrielethier2046Who Carew about that nutcase.

Just showing that they don't even truly know love. The parents may have something to blame too.

I couldn't bring myself to believe again but I'm all for supporting Christianity as bulwark against all the craziness going on.

A man has two choices: To say to God ‘Thy will be done’ or to have God say to them ‘Thy will be done’.

Why learn from other people's mistakes when you can experience the painful consequences first hand?

There's nothing new under the sun.

And now we see it happen again in real time. If American Christians don't start standing up against wokeness without fearing being canceled, well end up just the same way.

Yea it was post hoc rationalization. When things went bad, it was because they were not pious enough, they didn't follow the religion enough, didn't worship the correct god enough and when they do worship devoutly and followed every step and things still went wrong, they could make something up to rationalize that too. I know a Christian that thought it to be miraculous that when a suicide bomber blew himself up at an airport, not everyone died, he praised god for the miracle, what insane reasoning for such a horrific event, i would have thought if there was a god, he could simply make the suicide bomber's bomb not work and save all those lives, but no matter what happens, its praise god, thousands of people get slaughtered, praise god it wasn't more.

This might bring me to play video games.

the irony is that it's actually more to the point than leftoids when they did the same with Harry Potter

It's a real breath of fresh air! There's only so many times I can listen to yet another remix of the same dozen culture war issues that have been on repeat for nearly a decade.

Check out Gamers Unbeaten, if that's your schtick. Its entire ethos is that statement.

700th like here lol

We should raise children who will lead it. We missed the boat

I agree with your point, but Easter didn't come from Astarte. That's just a common misconception. In most languages Easter is called Pascha, named after the Greek word for Passover, the Traditional meal that preceded the death and resurrection of Christ. In English it was named the "Easter Festival" due to the name of the month it fell in: Eostaramonath (transliterated to Eastermonth)

@@nuclearsynapse5319 cool! Thanks for the clarification!

@@nuclearsynapse5319was just about to point this out, you did even better. 🙏

Dont forget that pride supports palestine, despite islam hating homosexuality and its associated beliefs

Tell me how many torture devices did Christians invent. I don’t think so

As a Nigerian Catholic, I agree. Christianity was the religion that helped abolish slavery across Africa. It gave rise to science, rational and reason movements. It built the modern world we enjoy. Why westerners became so disillusioned with it is beyond me.

HEH too bad Christians will always be an underdog

No pls no. You do understand why the medieval times were called the dark times? Also why the enlightenment was called exactly that? This has been tested in practice.

@@Morjensful and what group helped propel the enlightenment age, scientific revolution and the age of reason? It was the church and Christians.

That seriously made my day 😂

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"Then again, there were many things Caesar did that I really hated and that were openly harmful, and life in general got a lot better once we stopped doing those silly, brutish, barbaric things."

Et tu, cultural Brute?

LOL nice one :D

Facts

men created the buildings without any help from god....as far as feelings go, well that is what christianity actually is now isnt it?

i'd rather have both of them to exist.

@@mstrblik4741 le cringe larpagan

@@finnlewis2528 i think you're the one's larping here. i want both ideas to exist while i enjoy myself w/ popcorn at the front row seat. the ones you should be burning are both the david's star & the crescent moon.

@@mstrblik4741 Are you actually insane that you think Israel isn't justified in defending themselves and rescuing their hostages? And fighting against a terrorist group that did what they did on Oct 7th, which I can't even type because my comment would probably get blacklisted?

@@mstrblik4741 I agree with Islam though because it is objectively a toxic religion. But if you think Judaism should be exterminated you've never been to Israel. It's much different than what the news tell you

Ironic..

It's a stage of arrested development. All progressives seem to have this undying hatred of authority, so much so that they will blindly attack any and all establishment types. What all of them have in common is that they had a poor childhood with parents who didn't give them the attention they desired.

He isn't a skeptic. He is a utopian anti-thiest who presented himself as a skeptic.

Many such cases. Very few atheists take skepticism to its logical conclusion. A notable example of one that did would be Hume.

It's not about him not being skeptical enough about his own beliefs, but rather his lack of foresight on the consequences of the replacement the value systems imposed by Christianity.

Hell, it was even outlined by Delamain in CP2077, a character that is designed to be completely objective saw that beauty was the true allying factor of humanity,

Consequence of belief in something beyond the self. Placing belief in things of this world, while wholly capable of producing great works, are still limited by the horizons of this world. Belief in things beyond this world, and forget the sky, there is no limit to imaginations. Or horrors. But you know. We'll get horrors either way. Set your sights on the Highest.

​@@BeRitCrunk Beauty is universal, most if not all humans understand beauty and previous cultures were built on such a premise, now we build on top of those cultures and societies a world of uniformity. Beauty is a universal highest of which we have lost. Now my thorim on why is not evident but a feeling. it may be due to a rise in gnositisism a beleif that every thing in the world is a shard of god and we must become one in order to revive the garden of eden. and so the gnostitist consistently ( but not conspire) to destroy things that promote beauty and human florishing, so that all may die and rejoin god, after which the priests may enjoy the fruits of eden.

That's a... perfect way to describe Dawkins.

The short answer is yes. He is hardly alone, and even Carl has voiced similar sentiments prior. In reality, though, it isn’t that they don’t want to put in “the work”. Rather, they realized that atheism is like showing up unarmed to a duel and hoping your example convinces the other party to also disarm. Well, that isn’t the case. Dawkins and other atheists still don’t want to arm themselves, but would rather have others do the defending on their behalf. This is their “best of both worlds” scenario and it will fail as well. As we saw in Rome and other civilizations, outsourcing your defense, be it military or otherwise, to others does not last. The culture born of Christian ethics will not survive with few Christians to uphold it. The other party - Muslims, whatever - have no intention of disarming or tolerating competing beliefs or unbeliefs.

Typical boomer.

There are no benefits of believing nonsense.

@@lervish1966 The benefits of a populace believing in one religion is that it makes an impenetrable shield for a foreign religion that carries antithetical beliefs to took root within your nation. I'm an atheist, but that doesn't mean I have to be blind to the fact that Christianity is objectively more compatible with our culture than Islam, and that it is our most fundamental defense against it.

Exactly. The edifice that has been torn down by Dawkins, et al cannot be legitimately considered "Christianity". That's like trying to restrain the wind. Or fight the sun. Or stop the Sovereign God of the universe. An exercise in futility.

Lewis warned about a LOT of things. A very wise, prescient man.

Based Lewis enjoyer.

If Christ is not God then there is nothing that should not be done. NOTHING.

I'm genuinely curious what you guys think the solution is here. I'm an atheist as I presume are most of the people here. I also dislike the New Atheist movement for being really dumb and smarmy, but I don't think they had that much impact in people becoming atheists. Like, most people just aren't religious anymore because they don't believe in a God (so, the cultural Christians, so to speak). Even in a country like Finland where the majority are still in the church, most don't really believe. I don't imagine that's because they all love Christopher Hitchens. The point is, it's not like you can force yourself to believe in something you don't. That's what the Christians always tell me: belief isn't always strictly rational. But, okay, I don't believe. And I won't. Are you guys saying we need to force people to believe in something metaphysical, subjective and unfalsifiable just because it would be bad for society if they didn't? Because this is starting to sound like TRAs. If you think that good ideas and a functional society are only possible through religious codes and laws then to me you're saying that we need to make sure society believes in the Christian God by any means necessary .

Vision of the anointed.

Agreed. Dawkins is an intelligent person surrounded by other intelligent people, and I think this has warped his perspective. He seems to believe that _everyone_ is capable of following his rational example. That’s very hopeful and idealistic of him, but unfortunately I think it’s simply not true.

Which disproves the whole New Atheist philosophy, that if we got rid of religion we would have this great rationalist utopia. This has been tried before, in France in the 1790s and Russia in the 1920s. Both cases ended very, very badly. Why would this time be any different?

@@0utc4st1985 Because every new generation believes they are special. Essentially, “this time will be different.” It’s very difficult to disprove this type of argument, because it _could_ be true. But appealing to historical evidence as you’ve done is an effective technique.

I bet there were always people who were basically equivalent to the new atheist types who just went along with religion even if they didn't really believe it. Cultural christians who weren't true believers. People who were smart enough to follow good rules without needing it mythologically programmed into them. But most people are not that. I think it was Matt Dillihunty who said in a debate with Jordan Peterson that it was intolerably arrogant to say that anyone needs religion to be good. Leftist sophistry at it again, "you're arrogant if you think there are people who aren't exactly the same as you", iron law, etc I don't like saying it this way because of the immense respect I have for christianity, but stupid people can't be good unless they're scared that they're going to hell for misbehaving. They aren't sophisticated enough to understand why sins are lethal to a civilization, so you tell them something they can actually understand and that compels them to behave correctly. Anyway yeah tl;dr what you said bro

@@bro4539 I think you’re spot on with this analysis. Let me add to it a bit. On one side of the spectrum, freeloaders were shamed into changing their behavior to produce something for society. On the other side of the spectrum, moral atheists (cultural Christians) who otherwise performed good acts were shamed into belief. Christianity was negative for each of these people individually (arguably, but run with it). But it was positive for society as a whole, serving as a binding force and lowest common denominator. With the West’s focus on individual rights, both the freeloader and moral atheist can get everything they want. The individual benefits, but the society suffers. And we have few ways to protect and maintain our society.

It is very much why I think that we should be holding their nose is in it. Not for the sake of meanness, but for the sake of making them learn the error of their ways and repent.

And being the grandfather to a bloated legion of irritating edgelord atheists

That’s what we as Christian’s are commanded to do. It’s time to move forward and build better. God is with us till the end, we already won. But we must move forward.

Christians Forgive. Saving Dawkings Soul would be huge.

Because he's a cultural NIMBY, a hypocrite if you will. Over my own journey from default liberal to a much more hardline rightist, I've come to loath people who will stand in the glory of things built by their father's fathers and shout that they should be demolished, for progress. Then turn to us with fear as the consequences of their actions overwhelm them. I have no sympathy left for them.

I am so glad; you took a leap of faith. I was brought up the same way, it is hard to ignore has always been there. but you know, it is easy to be an atheist in a Christian country but try to do the same under Islam and be public about it. We just realize what we have after it is lost, and for my country, it is happening fast. I have faith that in the times of darkness, God will more grace to those who seek him and to those who call Him. This has been the history of the Chruch, and the believers of the God of Abraham.

A veritable "What hath man wrought" moment too.

The Warp has gates? Maybe if you find your way to Khorne's place.

He's not that self aware.

Nope he's always said he's a cultural Christian he hasn't changed his mind.

This gives “fantasizing about an imaginary scenario where people finally realize I’m right” vibes-because actually being right is too hard to attain

Interesting point. I'm sure I saw something about the Church of England playing 'reparations' recently. Looks like it's being deliberately hollowed out from the inside.

The antichrist agenda. He's almost here.

It’s simple. There is more money to be made with apartments than churches and how the boomer and gen x atheist celebrate them disappearing, seeing it as a victory against annoying Christian’s of their childhood, there isn’t a vocal minority or societal offense at the closing of churches that aren’t tourist traps. After all what national newspaper will make a big stink about it? It’s reserved for local papers. You don’t see this in Eastern Europe because there would be a stink made about it.

Where?

if what you say is true, it chills my blood. Christianity is no longer allowed to be preached on the streets of London. What comes next is something that i and many others have said for a while. We will be replaced. We willingly allowed strangers to enter our midst, they then proceeded to empty our larders, raid our medicine cabinets and assert we should not practice Christianity but Islam instead, all whilst propping their feet on the coffee table. This is not Immigration. This is an Invasion. They have won. all without firing a shot. When will we finally realise? When the churches are torn down? The statues and memorials to our fallen destroyed? They have entered our country and made themselves at home. Its not our home anymore. Its time for these "Guests" to leave. They have overstayed their welcome.

Napoleon Bonaparte once taunted a Catholic cardinal by threatening: “Your Eminence, are you not aware that I have the power to destroy the Catholic Church?” To which the cardinal quipped: “Your Majesty, we Catholic clergy have done our best to destroy the Church for the last eighteen hundred years. We have not succeeded, and neither will you. -Taylor Marshall, Infiltration: The Plot to Destroy the Church from Within

There will always be sheep that follow their magical sky daddy. It's a very effective control and business system.

Christianity IS "the West".

I firmly believe that Christianity will outlive Dawkins and while the West may also outlive him, I don’t think that the death of the West will be far behind him.

No it will die with the west.

It’s only natural for believing/theological Christians to insist that Cultural Christianity is an unattainable ideal without actual belief and religious indoctrination. To think otherwise would be to think that a salesman wouldn’t insist that your printer can’t really work without the fancy new Acme Ruled Manila Paper.

Christ is no king

@@Jaanikinsyou are, however, the king of cringe

Ave Christus Rex!

We are essentially going backwards.

Something something Gregor Mendel

Jordan Peterson made me realize this many years ago that Christianity fundamentally holds the truth to be good even if it's a 'bad'/uncomfortable truth which lead to the creation of the sciences which lead to the rise of atheism.

It would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous, how all of the atheists self-proclaiming that humanity would reach higher levels of intellectual enlightenment without the burden of religious superstitions, ended up being proven so fundamentally and totally wrong; as they can no longer even define what a woman is.

The Logos is a Greek idea and the Greeks had plenty of science long before Christianity

“The ladder to heaven will not be used as a shortcut to the chemist’s.” CS Lewis (paraphrased)

Which is effectively what Sargon is doing here.

No he didn't The situation he described was a results of decades of flawed immigration policy and not the rise of the atheist movement.

@@Kharmazov Athiest movement and mass immigration are allies and symptoms of the same policies

@@Kharmazov so it has nothing to do with the takeover of the atheist, moral-relativist politicians whom Dawkins helped create - the ones who believed in and enacted mass immigration policy. Atheism is the ideological framework that allowed this to happen

@@cptnofgravytrain Indeed quite so. You give the man far to much credit. The immigration policies were originally introduced in the 1970's by the right wing in order to lower the working class wages.

@@Kharmazov right - Dawkins, in this case, is just a figurehead of the rampant post-WW2 atheist zeitgeist that hollowed out our institutions and values. "Right wing" does not a Christian make. Atheism and moral relativism are the backbone of such destructive ordinances, certainly not Christianity. As is so plainly obvious now, the political left and right are merely two sides of the same godless managerial state

Ever heard of Josh Timonen? He worked closely with Dawkins...long story short he hit this same wall, became a "pragmatic Christian," (ie: practiced Christianity for it's helpful by-products but not because of Faith) but after a while he warmed up to Christ and is now a full-on Christian...! Anyways, just sounds like that could resonate with you. Thanks for sharing! :)

i hope you find god brother, jesus said you'll know them by their fruit, look at the fruit of atheism, and the fruit of jesus christ, and chose your team, god bless

Thank you for your honesty.

Don't worry we all waste our time doing stupid sh*t.

"snubbing family, alienating friends" Seems like you chose to be an asshole, what does "new atheism" have to do with it?

We all have our own cringe arc. New Atheist's arguments always sucked anyways.

Same.

Very interesting. Stay strong brother!

Hi, I once felt the same way. In 2018 a stranger recommended I watch Bishop Robert Barron because he explained the faith well and is a very smart man. His short videos allowed me to take the leap of faith and rejoin the Catholic Faith. I was an Atheist for years and thought that I had plenty of objections to fundamentalist religion to keep me well away. Turns out there is a very rich and fulfilling intellectual life in the Church. Following Christ is not easy and even today I still struggle. But I would not want to be anywhere else. I will pray for you, trust that your desire to be Christian can take you beyond the barriers of disbelief

I recommend the Lord of Spirits podcast. It's very good.

I second this 🔥🔥​@@sirpepeofhousekek6741

without old pre-established religions, humans would create new types of dogmas and cults. hence why we have wokeness. at least in Western Europe and America. we Eastern Europeans don't follow this stupid trend and we aren't suicidal, to allow mass migration, especially of Islamic background and destroy our own civilization. if this mass migration and growth of Islam in the West continues, we will inevitably have a Yugoslavia system civil war in Sweden, Germany, France and UK. massive deportations are necessary. there is always a limit(depending on culture and civilization) what is and what isn't allowed.

Then why not destroy the Parthenon and use its marble for something else? Why keep the Stone Henge standing? Both of those religions died long ago yet we strive to preserve what we can of them.

@@levongevorgyan6789 And how many temples and holy sites did those religions have back in the day? More than we have today, for sure. What happened to the others? Next question; what power to affect culture and society do those sites have today?

@@levongevorgyan6789 A great many ancient religious sites actually *were* torn down to have their stones reused in other projects. The pyramids in Giza once had a smooth white shell of limestone. That limestone was scavenged over the millennia to build houses and stuff in Cairo.

@@levongevorgyan6789 The Parthenon was converted into a Catholic church and later blown up during a war. The Parthenon and Stonehenge are kept as tourist attractions. That's why they're kept in their current decayed state, instead of torn down or repurposed. Nothing of their original purposes are left, simply ruins for foreigners to gawk at.

He cut down the tree but he still wants the fruit.

Nah. Many ideologies came and went, and the new ones took something from them and brought something new. It's not like all ideas from Christianity are truly great or anything and need to be preserved 100%.

Those values are?

Christianity is slave morality.

Frankly, I think that is what all or at least most western atheists implicitly assume. I don't think they truly understand the ramifications, nor that most people are simply not rational or intellectual enough to make a rational utopia viable. Something else will fill the void.

The Good News about Christianity is that it teaches resurrection from the dead, so we don't have to mind being parasitized for someone else's nutrition. (Divine consumption is the only ethical consumption. :) )

He's the bird that Jesus talks about in his parables.

I think Dawkins genuinely believed he was going to help usher in a rational utopia, a staggeringly naive notion which it's taken him far too long to realise was only ever a silly pipe dream.

@@wishingwell12345 I believe that the VAST majority of Atheists thought this would happen. We thought "We stopped believing in a Sky Daddy Who Hated When We Masturbated and we're perfectly fine and rational human beings, everyone can do it!" and we didn't realize that no. No we are NOT "perfectly fine" or "rational". Quite a few of us are actually very broken individuals. Many of us blame Christianity and Judaism (and in a few very, VERY rare cases, Islam) for that breakage and we're not WRONG, per se - but there is no blame to go around. Religion, metaphorically, is the hammer, but what breaks us is our own individual fault lines. We blame the hammer because that's what we feel hitting us, but what breaks me won't break other people, and what breaks other people won't break me. We Atheists are only now beginning to understand this, and only because we've mucked things up and starting to see the results of generations of our actions.

Yup. Or celebrate liberalism, feminism, homosexuality, transgenderism... Islam tolerates them only so far as it lets them in and gives them power. The second they reach majority, the scorpion shall sting the frog.

half of god died in verdun and has been beaten like a dead horse since, the other half has tried to hold up the sky but has merely tilted it to crush those the fallen half protected.

Care to elaborate on the second half? I’ve never heard that before.

@@duncanharrell5009 Are you asking me or Sellis? I am a bit confused by his comment myself, and I feel like my second half is a fairly common statement.

@@duncanharrell5009 the feminine half of Christianity, many things like forgiveness, charity and protecting the weak. with the loss of the masculine half of Christianity having been mostly lost during the later 1800s and ww1 the feminine half has gone out of control amplifying its negative and positive traits in a very destructive manner for everyone. if one group is seen as "stronger" then another or "less privileged" they must be protected and given power to make them stronger. if someone seen as weak commits wrong we can forgive anything they do regardless of what they have done.

@@Micmoves christians must realise why chirstianty worked well in the past and what faults have led alot of christian organisations to be actively destructive if they want a to come back in full. i hope christians can figure out how to save their god as its been the best and most rewarding to its believers in all of human history.

I think about how many edgelords say "God is dead" and don't know or don't care what Nietsche said. I often say it was like taking the brakes off the crazy train. With nothing else to stop the crazy train, this is the dumpster fire we end up with.

All the atheists and nihilists never actually understood what Nietzsche was saying.

Nietzsche hated Christianity more than anything

@@tomasrocha6139 Nietzsche did hate it, but he did see some value to it.

and if we keep reading him he mentions exactly what a civilization needs to do to move on. This is the same thing we have always done: the lion must provide new scales of meaning to the dragon. Not for the lion's sake but for the child's. Living through these times might sting for some but it is nothing new under the sun.

This comment literally made me cry. As an ex-Muslim British Pakistani, I wish my ancestors didn't come to this beautiful land and contribute to its decline.

Obviously it wasn't just the midwit edgelord atheists who achieved it, they just provided intellectual cover for normies to cease their pursuit of any upwards calling. Relatively few people are actually intellectual and were convinced mentally by Dawkins, most prefer simply to float with the stream which had already become _Do as thou wilt_ by the 00's. It's remarkable though how many seriously smart people like yourself independently come to Christianity and become unshakeable in it despite the hostile climate. It's as if they are just able to see through the bluster, wield an imagination, and trust their judgment. Maybe there's more to it. Anyway, thank you for the work you do, and keep at it. It's absolutely vital.

Christianity is a relationship with Christ. The religion is a result of the relationship and is not the thing to follow. It will not die unless all abandon their relationship. And until death some of us will hold true until the time of the gentiles is fulfilled.

@NewSquallor This right here. Well said. The CHURCH is the people of God who have surrendered their lives to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Everything else is something other than that.

God bless you.

Not really. The Social Justice Warrior movement was just a transformation of Gramsci's cultural hegemony and his philosophical goals. It is no coincidence that Gramsci was a Marxist and most if not all SJW were different flavors of left leaning ideologies.

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Now don't overexaggerate. I can name five people that have done worse, and in the civilian sector Thomas Midgley Jr. has the cake.

I feel you. I’d just encourage you to keep the Lord in your heart. If it is the Father’s Will, he’ll bring the right people into our lives for both of us. If you ever need someone to talk to. Feel free to reach out.

no, you don't. some people feel that need for a time, it depends how deep into the religious brainwashing they were as to how long they will feel the absence for. i've never felt that need, not everyone does, and given enough time nobody does.

@@ScubaSctimpy ... you are literally watching it happen right now

⁠@@ScubaSctimpyAbsolute nonsense, and a simple glance around modern society easily proves it. Beating Christianity into the ground did nothing for the Nu-Atheists but give rise to the religion of Social Justice, which treats minorities as martyrs, “experts” as apostles, and skeptics as apostates. Nietzsche was 100% correct.

​@@ScubaSctimpyYour moral compass is built on christianity, whether you believe in it or not.

"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us?" Too many midwits overlook that Nietzsche is lamenting the death of God, not celebrating it.

Nah, he still has a few more prodigal steps left. He needs to sleep with the pigs and realize the hogs are better cared for now. Once finally at the bottom maybe he might wake up and beg.

​@@NewSquallorI just realized you are using the parable of the prodigal son. Nice

Nope, he hasn't changed his mind, he's always said he's a cultural Christian.

if we live a life without God so we may return dead without God

You call people who doesn't believe in some made up stories from some old book "ignorant"? Ok...

Mythical character said something.

​@consonaadversapars You can see he is ignorant because he doesn't hold a self consistent position.

@@consonaadversapars No, about the role these structures create in society. Note how he bemoans the absence of tradition, yet seems ignorant about what it rested upon.

I have always said, its a book of morals. But please dont believe the tales used to achieve said morals. But Ive never read it and have yet to assault someone so.... 🤷🏽‍♂️ However I know many outwardly hostile christians

@PintOThat Tradition in itself unfortunately is not the solution to the problem of sin and the nature of the human heart. Reliance on traditions instead of a personal relationship with God results in dead religion, which has often been critiqued by secularism for fair reasons.

Great quote.

When I went into my agnostic phase I made sure not to attack orthodoxy and I have kept it to myself. I thought "barking of a dog might keep someone awake at night, but getting rid of dog could be foolish. What if that barking is keeping wolf's away". And West was quick to prove me right

Another rational defence of traditionalism is a thought experiment called "Chesterton’s Fence." Centrist: This fence seems to block our path for no good reason. However, there must have been one for someone to spend labour and materials to build it. We should try to figure out this reason and see if it still applies. Progressive: THIS FENCE MAINTAINS SYSTEMIC RACISM! TEAR IT DOWN! Before anyone brings up Apartheid, the fence is referring to something you'd find in countryside, keeping livestock in and predators out. Also as Sargon pointed out in a recent video, Egypt-Gaza border basically looks like what many Republicans wish US-Mexico border would look like.

God is state by other means. The rules and proscriptions of organized religion speak for themselves. Like every state it is a tool of control, a necessary evil, to restrain the lesser aspects of man from harming the greater. And like every state there are those that we can tolerate, and those who must be confronted and routed at all costs.

they actually found the part of the brain responsible for it. it can be turned off and or removed, there is hope.

This is so fundamentally true I really can't think of why it isn't one of the commanding tenets of our beliefs as a culture. If you look at all of human history and were to list your takeaways in order of how obvious they were: this would truly be #1 on the list.

​​@@99onone50that is the same part of the brain that is responsible for forming connections with tribes, families and people. It would not be wise to turn it off or remove it in any way.

@@Ginfidel Except it isn't, as the state disregards any individual principles and does not have a foundation in objective morality. You may aswell be making the "Hitler was 70% water, you are 70% water, therefore you are Hitler" meme. Nevermind the silly conflation of "God" with "religion".

You can't ever get upset about Dawkins referring to God as a delusion then. You admit that even if it's not true, you should believe it anyway, thus you admit it might only be a useful delusion. Also, this is why it's so important whether the proposition is true or not: if we really are just in a purely materialistic universe, that false belief provides meaning even though it's all just purely material! Not such an abyss after all! Either way, I would say you should try to believe as many true things as possible and as few false things as possible. It seems your worldview would allow for encouraging people to believe some false things.

@@Xanlet is it really a delusion if you can't know?

​@@Xanletin a material universe, what "matters" is subjective, and thus not true in any objective way. In such a universe, "truth" is only valuable in its utility toward achieving any given end. Falsehood can also be useful to achieving an end, especially if that end is peace of mind. In a material world, "true belief" may be less useful that "false belief." Thus, it is not always best to believe as many true things as possible and as few falsehoods as possible. Saying so is romanticism.

@@2ane its a delusion if you believe it to be true because as you put it "you can't know"

@@teamhren1000 false, in a material universe what is true can be verified and what is false cannot be, and what "matters" can be verified if true and cannot be if false.

The Roman Church poisoned the well by massacring, genociding, enslaving and molesting.

1400 of Muslims history would like to disagree with you

Amen :)

Based

It’s funny how you think Christianity (as if it were some anthropomorphized figure) “voluntarily” stepped out of the room for disbelievers. (How would that even make sense in a religion where evangelizing is a central tenet of the faith and leading people astray to eternal hell is pretty much the worst thing you can do? But lol ok, whatever.) When the reality is that it was dragged screaming and kicking from the studio, and is still struggling to be given more airtime today. Somehow the history of witch burnings and clinging on to the increasingly shrinking gaps of science never really clicked for you…

Life is submission and service. Maybe one day youll understand inshallah

How absurdly historically naive. Christianity BECAME passively compassionate and allowed itself the be culturally erased, but it wasn't always this thing you think you love. The Dark Ages illustrates what it could and would do, if we let it get away with doing so. Wind the clock far enough back, you'll see it had just as much menace, and just as many teeth as Islam - the rise of secularist values caused those teeth to rot. Islam isn't anything especially diaboloical - it's just behind the curve by a few centuries, because the countries it emanates from fell behind. Islam was the centre of cultural learning during the Middle Ages because it inherited the wisdom of the Greco Meditteranean schools of thought - it's only more recently it plunged into a more superstitious Dark Age. Western cultures, steered by Christianity, inherited those values and that culture with the Spanish reconquista, triggering a revival when the fruits of Islamic learning fell into the hands once more of Western Europeans - it was called the "Renaissance" for a reason.

We eradicated that notion from Christianity. Eventually, it will be eradicated from Islam. One can only hope we will still be there to witness it.

@@joeypaisano9235 When op said "it seeks submission" he was not saying that Islam beckons people to live lives of submission and service but that Islam is an aggressive religion that seeks domination and expansion, while Christianity is in comparison a cordial and peaceful religion that is being killed and eaten alive by religious apathy and the left.

I always figured someone who only believed to not burn in hell was a lukewarm. Unfortunately that's what much of the USA ends up producing.

Nothing wrong with healthy scepticism of religious priests supernatural' truth' claims.

Must be why technological progress comes from fervent religious zealots..... Oh, wait....

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​@@captaincosmo6157I do wish Callum would say that more...