what you don't realise is herring did this entire interview blacked up
@rickb.41682 жыл бұрын
I’ve just watched the 3rd series of of After Life. It was devoid of any comedy, in any way shape or form.
@flosscrossley43157 жыл бұрын
I told this guy to look up Stewart lee and he just told me that he thought he was a "discount Ricky gervais" deleted off my phone.
@benwhite8924 Жыл бұрын
He isn't even transphobic he's pointing out obvious hypocrisies, which themselves have torn communities apart.
@samcad-ho3ze6 жыл бұрын
I absolutely fucking love both Lee and Herring for their stance on this. It’s something that affects a family member personally and I appreciate every word of what they are saying.
@Torthrodhel5 жыл бұрын
@An Orange A Day Keeps The Scurvy Away if you really are that absurdly far beneath understanding what this is even about, there's no real way to get you to the surface. Do you... ACTUALLY think that the only thing people are offended by in all of this is whether or not something counts as a swear word? Is that REALLY your entire picture of this issue? Come on, have a think.
@Torthrodhel5 жыл бұрын
Because I suspect that you're being pretentious and playing dumb, that's why. I think you very likely understand a lot better why that comparison makes no fucking sense, and are just pretending to be clueless in order to score some argument points. Have I hit the nail on the head or do you seriously, really actually think that question is one worthy of a response?
@Torthrodhel5 жыл бұрын
@An Orange A Day Keeps The Scurvy Awaywhat insult did I throw, exactly? That's a pretty clear way to dismiss your comparison. It was a comparison between an ordinary swear word and an actual insult word. Two quite seperate things.
@Torthrodhel5 жыл бұрын
I still honestly can't 100% believe you're actually seeking an answer to this? Surely you troll?
@Torthrodhel5 жыл бұрын
@An Orange A Day Keeps The Scurvy Away I'm sorry I assumed that way then, it did seem a lot like the kind of thing someone might say just in order to stir up trouble. Unfortunately the general atmosphere of youtube comment sections has rendered me suspicious like that.
@reggiepollock46693 жыл бұрын
I knew there was a reason I respected Richard herring
@SirHprdgn12 жыл бұрын
Ricky Gervais is the Don McLean of comedy: He did one amazing thing years ago followed by a bunch of stuff that's passable at best.
@Fonzleberry4 жыл бұрын
Still funnier than the hacks taking swipes at him.
@rawheadrex84874 жыл бұрын
What did he do that was funny?
@sciencecharity4 жыл бұрын
Rawhead Rex The Office & the ricky gervais show
@fredhasopinions3 жыл бұрын
Idk I’ve seen many bits of his that were quite funny at the moment, but that’s not grounds for defending everything he does
@tomwright49693 жыл бұрын
His stuff with Stephen Merchant is definitely much stronger
@shaunhouse86346 жыл бұрын
It's interesting to hear something from that sliver of time when Jimmy Savile was a nation treasure venerated in death.
@vebesese56323 жыл бұрын
Erm... I think "al" is needed. An "al".
@NicholasBerry-ku9rd Жыл бұрын
@@vebesese5632 "that saliver of time?"
@jamesbeddus Жыл бұрын
@@NicholasBerry-ku9rdnational
@NicholasBerry-ku9rd Жыл бұрын
@@jamesbeddus I prefer the other one, it sounds almost Proustian. Though 'sliver' needs only an extra 'a', leaving us with a spare 'l'. If we could come up with another 'a' and an extra 'e' we could use them with it to have Savile "venerealated' in death. It still leaves 'nation' lacking but it's a fairly robust word and can handle itself.
@jamesbeddus Жыл бұрын
@@NicholasBerry-ku9rd glad to see you've properly studied it
@TheMegaGrump8 жыл бұрын
2:44 'I'm not sure he cast her in Grange Hill, maybe he did. Maybe his tentacles go back into the past". That had me in stitches.
@The69Health2 жыл бұрын
tendrils*
@abegarfield76382 жыл бұрын
@@The69Health Maybe his tentacles do too. Tendrils and tentacles? Ooh, that would be fiddly, a right cufuffle.
@xtraspecialmango8 ай бұрын
Stay Another Day
@Szaam11 жыл бұрын
Who's the other guy speaking in this? He makes such a great point about people who will leap to their favourite celebrity's defense regardless of what they've said or done, especially when he references Morrissey fans.
@Mumscup3 жыл бұрын
Herring is a gentleman.
@fredhasopinions3 жыл бұрын
Don’t mind me I’m just here to laugh at KZfaq’s shit comment system 9 years ago
@MrBoBoTom10 жыл бұрын
Bet your not regretting that Jimmy Savile joke now!
@vebesese56323 жыл бұрын
Apostrophe.
@gerrabath3 жыл бұрын
@@vebesese5632 Not bothered about the missing 'e' then?
@sierraromeoromeo24443 жыл бұрын
@@gerrabath Bothered about a missing e? Are you Brian Harvey?
@gerrabath3 жыл бұрын
@@sierraromeoromeo2444 Wut?
@sierraromeoromeo24443 жыл бұрын
@@gerrabath Don't worry, other people will get it.
@TheDensley711 жыл бұрын
At least he doesn't have 'The Invention of Lying' to his name. That would be a serious blemish on anyone's CV.
@randomsamno911 жыл бұрын
Once again the majority of the internet community have nothing intelligent or profound to say. Herring has explained each point thoroughly, highlighting various misconceptions and misunderstandings about what he said, and the broken records come out to just attack him or compare him to Gervais without contending with any of the issues he has raised. If there is a hell I think we must be living in it right now.
@jonmee Жыл бұрын
Just wait until 9 years time
@thewotsit12 жыл бұрын
Love Herring, fucking dude!
@Sodhats12 жыл бұрын
I think he was ruined by fame. If you see interviews he did when The Office first got popular, you can see him thinking for a second before coming out with a really subtle, perfectly phrased joke. Now he seems to just vomit the most obvious, cheap jokes straight out of his face. I think he's been convinced he's a comedy genius and has lowered his standards.
@Twirlyhead2 жыл бұрын
Bring back TMWRNJ with Richard, Stewart and Nathalie.
@peteryoungpeteryoung9653 жыл бұрын
I am afraid that it has been all downhill for Gervais since The Office. Check out his lockdown vlogs, comes over like a sad old drunk.
@nifralo27523 жыл бұрын
Yeah hes like modern day John Cleese tried and dated
@chubbychubbs55523 жыл бұрын
Afterlife, Extras, just brilliant, his stand ups, the Emmys, The Globes, are great, surely he’s not failing too much? He has worldwide admiration, hasn’t he?
@cardigan30003 жыл бұрын
@@chubbychubbs5552 to be fair all of his golden globes turns are completely legendary
@FiShHeAd999912 жыл бұрын
I thought it was PERFECTLY clear. Amazed it got thumbs down so quickly.
@ilpalazzo39 жыл бұрын
It was Gervais' reaction to the criticism that was particularly bothersome. I'd have believed that he didn't know what the word meant, I didn't either. But when you find out, just say sorry and stop using it.
@jcse168 жыл бұрын
+Juuso Peltoniemi you have a rapier wit sir!
@greenaum5 жыл бұрын
You'd think he'd have looked the word up on the Internet or a dictionary or something, before picking it as his hill to die on. In Ricky's earlier work though, he did some bits and pieces on Channel 4, he tried to make an image for himself as one of those refreshingly un-PC comics of the sort the Daily Mail love so much, "You CAN'T just speak your mind like that, brave rebel Ricky Gervais" "I think you'll find I just did!" It was a bit desparate. Saying any old shite to get a bit of cheap controversy to maybe get a bit of publicity. And then he wrote that thing the Americans love, and got addicted to having his arse kissed. He's not fussy about who kisses it, poor fella. He must have cold sores, warts, and all sorts round his ringpiece.
@paulcarb9 жыл бұрын
Look, to avoid any confusion just run things past Richard Herring first to see if it is acceptable
@JimstersPasties12 жыл бұрын
The word 'mong' is certainly not one that I have ever come across at school, the only people i know who use it are people like Ricky Gervais who are using it as an insult. The reason so many complained is because in many people's mind it still is an insult towards the disabled. Words can still cause harm. The whole 'changed meaning' argument doesn't work unless it has been accepted to have a different meaning univerally. To be honest, the word is old-fashioned and dated.
@samcad-ho3ze6 жыл бұрын
Aw bless Richard Herring, I love him.
@reetpeet9 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a pretty coherent well thought out conversation to me...
@napalmslayer12 жыл бұрын
At the end of the day Ricky Gervais has spoke out against disabilism in his comedy. Put simply he should have known better than to use a word like "mong". As someone with a sevely autisitc sister myself im with Richard Herring all the way on this one. People are failing to realise that words like that are offensive to disabled people.
@woofled463712 жыл бұрын
Gervais was new to twitter at the time, that is what he meant. Not all the features are immediately obvious.
@iamjurell12 жыл бұрын
I never denied the transition. The difference is, the word "idiot" actually has shifted meaning where it means something at least different enough for it to not be specifically offensive. "Mong" however still has heavy connotations of downs syndrome. So you're saying doctors aren't allowed to call patients "obese" (as i also said) but you think they're allowed to diagnose someone officially as an "idiot savant"? That is NOT a term used in modern times.
@Szaam11 жыл бұрын
I love The Smiths and I love a lot of the lyrics he's wrote, but you can not deny the outlandish and dickish crap that he has come out with over the years. Using the Oslo massacre in 2011 to preach vegetarianism (I'm a vegetarian myself and thought it was beyond ridiculous of him to say what he said at such a time) and referring to the Chinese as a "subspecies" are two examples that spring to mind.
@seyyednaqvi67602 жыл бұрын
Yeah, The Smiths, love that guy, he's greeeeaaat.
@revilo31412 жыл бұрын
Everybody mad! Just be nice to people, everyone. Including the disabled. That is all you need to worry about. Mong is not OK to say as long as people find it offensive. It will be OK to say when no significant number are offended. Gervais does not decide what is offensive.
@IanJTaylor8 жыл бұрын
I wonder of the person who was offended by the Jimmy Saville joke is still offended?
@228ss8 жыл бұрын
+Ian Taylor yes, yes i am.
@tomwright49696 жыл бұрын
Probably waiting for a Kevin spacey joke to emerge.
@the0verlay9 жыл бұрын
FYI Idiot is an offensive word. It means mong. 'In 19th and early 20th century medicine and psychology, an "idiot" was a person with a very severe intellectual disability. In the early 1900s, Dr. Henry H. Goddard proposed a classification system for intellectual disability based on the Binet-Simon concept of mental age. Individuals with the lowest mental age level (less than three years) were identified as idiots; imbeciles had a mental age of three to seven years, and morons had a mental age of seven to ten years' Funny old world, eh?
@TheAlmightyAss6 жыл бұрын
It originated in Ancient Greek and Latin, actually.
@TheDensley711 жыл бұрын
Fair point mate, can't argue with that!
@swallowsrh12 жыл бұрын
I think you should check your sources. They still hold the world record for the most downloaded podcast of all time. When they started, podcasting was a very new thing, the success of their show really showed people what you can do with it and how many people you can reach. As for them starting anything of much note: The Office anyone? Even if you dislike Gervais you have to admit that The Office changed a lot of things in terms of sitcom style and writing.
@kprangnell12 жыл бұрын
I love Richard Herring, and I love Ricky Gervais. Richard Herring is very underrated as a comedian, but doesn't make him lesser in any way. Ricky has some fantastic stuff, but has gone off the boil with a lot of his stuff. It's a shame that he can't see the error of his ways. I hope that he gets back to his prime, because the early stand up shows - Politics and Animals were brilliant, as well as other things he's done.
@illiteratethug33059 жыл бұрын
This is exactly why I'm not on Twitter.
@CAMZAB8 жыл бұрын
Your username certainly sounds like 90% of twitter?
@illiteratethug33058 жыл бұрын
yup
@rickoneillable5 жыл бұрын
Twitter only causes endless arguments where no one wins and stress. So good idea
@NxDoyle7 жыл бұрын
Gervais, I realised during Derek, was his attempt at career atonement. Not actual atonement, but a blind in the form of Derek, who, in his first incarnation years ago, was not the sympathetic type of the series, but a figure of fun. That Gervais would apply such a heavy revisionism to Derek sounds almost ludicrous until you listen to him in interview in the last couple of years and realise how he has applied revisionism to his career, never so much as hinting that The Office and Extras were collaborative efforts.
@greenaum5 жыл бұрын
It's astonishing how such a successful bloke can have such a massively fragile ego. If you say mean things about him, he misquotes you on Twitter and you have to deal with his simple-minded fans sending you death threats. Utterly, utterly a twat, and The Office was shit. "HAR HAR THE MAN MISUNDERSTANDS UNSPOKEN SOCIAL RULES AND CONVENTIONS! HUR!"
@greenaum5 жыл бұрын
In fact I'd sooner watch the Motorbike Clothing Shop sketch developed into an entire series, and that just sort of faded into nothing halfway through.
@TheIkaraCult12 жыл бұрын
The thing Richard said about the disabled comic not getting any tweets calling her a mong says it all really, the people who think Ricky Gervais is "redefining" it wouldnt ever say it around a disabled person because they know exactly what it means. A bunch of hypocrites defending something that wasnt even funny on the crudest level.
@dewexdewex5 ай бұрын
There's only really one term anyone should have used to describe them, and that's their name.
@FlashMeterRed12 жыл бұрын
Not that I hate gervais, i like a lot of his standup, extras was awesome - but it shit me straight away when i saw and heard about this (admittedly ages ago) cos it was uncomfortably clear what he was doing straight away. and that people were servicing his need by taking sides in the argument.
@mr.coolmug31819 жыл бұрын
I was just here to hear him slag off Ricky Gervais (i'am a fan of his work, even though I find it funny when people slag him off). I had no fucking idea they were going for Morrissey...what the fuck has Morrissey done?! Leave Morrissey alone you bastards.
@SethHesio12 жыл бұрын
A very bright guy with his heart in the right place though.
@swallowsrh12 жыл бұрын
but in terms of downloads, they really pushed it into the mainstream from a relatively early point.
@marcgreaves43549 күн бұрын
6:58 what does richard say?
@CrookedShoeTales10 жыл бұрын
everyone involved thinks they are WAY more important then they truly are.
@CrookedShoeTales10 жыл бұрын
I don't. That's beauty of KZfaq and having an opinion. Gday!
@badhead12 жыл бұрын
But Gervais is an adult. Not a kid at a local school
@irnbrubhoy6 жыл бұрын
What’s he on about?
@dan1100912 жыл бұрын
its because I dont think it means a disabled person, when ricky gervais says "mongs meaning has changed", there is a group over 30 who seem to disagree, and a lot of people under 30 who believe that it has
@TheGroucho6612 жыл бұрын
Indeed. Also, isn't it funny how the tabloid's fury at Gervais using the word seemed to coincide with the anti-Gervais phase where he was still getting stick from hosting the Golden Globes despite the fact Gervais has used the word in question repeatedly on his Podcasts, Stand-up shows and his Blog for years before?
@Matt789512 жыл бұрын
Richard looks so young in that picture.
@iloveneytiri12 жыл бұрын
@padraic2001eire He did a bit about a play he wrote when he was 15 for GCSE's and I've never seen anything like it on stage, the most naturally funny stand up i've seen. Very, very clever and really funny, tell me if he does it, also one of the stories he did at the end was genius. Pure genius.
@nexviper12 жыл бұрын
The Adam Carolla Show took that Guinness World Record away from them in the middle of last year. Even before that being the first podcast supported by a mainstream media group just means they had contacts and big enough names to push it. As for The Office changing a lot of things in terms of sitcom style and writing, all I saw was failing to meet the standards good sitcoms like Father Ted, Black Books, Spaced. Operation Good Guys and others did the mockumentary thing years before The Office.
@rickb.41682 жыл бұрын
I love Richard (not because I’m called Richard) Herring.
@Destro700012 жыл бұрын
I like both comedians. It's good he didn't actually slag off Gervais ... it's a bad sign for a comedian to start slagging off other comedians (in a non-joke way of course). Usually comedians are light-hearted enough not to use their fame to take pot-shots at people they don't like.
@yossariancomplex12 жыл бұрын
It may not have followed the same arc exactly but that is because 'idiot' predates medical classification of mental illness, not only that but the word still refers disapragingly to those of sub-par unteligence or retardation just without the badge of medical legitimacy. As soon as doctors began classification of mental illness 'idiot' became a part of their lexicon, simply because it was not specifically orignaly terminological doesn't mean it's long association with mental illness dissapears.
@revilo31412 жыл бұрын
Yes. All of that is definitely true. The media, as always, have a lot to answer for. I was arguing against the idea of the word being OK to use, but in this instance I don't think Gervais whipped up the majority of the controversy.
@JimstersPasties12 жыл бұрын
Moustaches shouldn't be able to cause offence. It's just that certain ideals have been attached to them. Words are commonly used to cause offence.
@wigster197812 жыл бұрын
I love Ricky Gervais' work. I find his stuff really funny. But he was wrong on this and should have realised and apologised, instead he reacted like a hurt child and tried to justify his actions.
@vincentvangogh8092 Жыл бұрын
is it just me, but whois richard herring ?
@TheGroucho6612 жыл бұрын
However what we can agree on also is that - in context - any word can be used e.g to satirise prejudice, quoting someone, etc However Gervais' use of the word wasn't for satirical purposes. It was also ironic how TV show 'The Wright Stuff' - a show that was used in a montage of sensationalism in the Extras episode involving a child with Downs Syndrome in order to satirise how a story is taken out of context or exaggerated - reported on 'mong-gate' using the hyperbolic accusations by the tabloids
@notjarvis12 жыл бұрын
And Richard Herring Agrees with that point entirely. Richard Herring was just politely saying what Gervais was doing was a) A bit unfunny and b) Poking fun at the wrong targets in Herring's opinion. He was providing a critique on Gervais, as free speech allows you.
@jsquire5pa Жыл бұрын
It’s not a free speech question .. no one is denying either’s legal right to say the word .. they’re arguing over whether it is morally right to say it.. if it was just a legal right issue one could just say the people responding to herring are also exercising their own right to speak leading to circularity … it’s a totally different argument that you have failed to understand by appealing to people’s free speech rights ..
@amyblackshawx23773 жыл бұрын
I don’t support Ricky Gervais at all, he’s a biggot and I’m not disagreeing with the point Richard Herring is trying to get across, however this video has made me decide that I don’t support Richard Herring anymore, because he’s literally said the n word in this video, if he publicly apologises then I’ll support him again, but there was no need for him to say all of these slurs
@Ciderpunk-jj5es3 жыл бұрын
If you're not joking, then you're seriously missing what the real problem is. I'm no fan of this bloke, but you're deeply upset that in this vid from 2011, he's being a 2011 Progressive and not a 2021 Progressive. Don't be surprised when everyone you love gets cancled and every film, TV show and album you treasure gets taken away.
@Ciderpunk-jj5es3 жыл бұрын
@Real Aiglon Subtext is probably a bit more important if naughty words distract you easily. A few years ago Benedict Cumberbatch got dragged for bemoaning the plight of 'coloured' actors in Britain. Because he said 'coloured'. But he was bemoaning their plight. But he said 'coloured'. But he was bemoaning their plight. But he said 'coloured'. But he was bemoaning their plight. But he said 'coloured'. But he was bemoaning their plight. But he said 'coloured'. But he was bemoaning their plight. But he said 'coloured'. See? Progressive, but not enough not to trigger. Anyway. You're probably right about me, as I have no idea what point you're trying to make. See ya!
@Ciderpunk-jj5es3 жыл бұрын
@Real Aiglon Well, crap. I quite agree, tho.
@guitarreilly8 ай бұрын
Can't believe he made fun of britains beloved jimmy saville!
@AdamBreen12 жыл бұрын
started that movement? if your referring to podcasting they were fairly late in catching that boat
@glp.133711 жыл бұрын
I think a "who cares" is in place here ?
@pompeymik3 жыл бұрын
I had a lovely aunt with downs syndrome, I hate it when I see people using mong, and I've been a horrible bastard at times, but I've never been offensive to disabled people.😥
@michaelairley20153 жыл бұрын
We've all used spastic, mong etc as kids. Mostly used to try and impress other kids. The school area was and maybe still is a place will wild rules.
@rubberchix Жыл бұрын
So you can horrible to everyone except your little protected class
@revilo31412 жыл бұрын
Life imitates art imitates life ad infinitum.
@jowillow4272 жыл бұрын
The refuge of the mediocre middle class comedian, lofty discussions on whether comedians who are superior to you should use certain words
@dan1100912 жыл бұрын
just middle clash sheltered people that find this offensive, go to your local school and listen to the language being used by the kids, "mong" is the least offensive -
@dannyhowell821012 жыл бұрын
Ricky Gervais is the Noel Gallagher of comedy. He is well past his best, arrogant, bereft of any new ideas and has a fan base of thick fans. Invention of Lying: bad reviews. Science stand up: awful reviews. Life's Too Short: Dreadful reviews. Derek: mixed reviews. I say his time is up, don't you?
@sebastianunited13972 жыл бұрын
Time has proven this statement to be false although I see what your saying
@revilo31412 жыл бұрын
Inbred and Mongrel are polar opposites. Mongrels are healthy. Inbreds are not. This is merely pedantry, I ain't got beef, bruv.
@dancockling796312 жыл бұрын
totally agree. I really enjoy the Gervais podcasts because he makes a good straight man to Pilkington's weird man. But I never found Extras or Life's Too Short (The Office I kinda liked, although there was only one joke - David Brent is annoying). There's nothing wrong with being un-PC in comedy but if you're going to be un-PC you've got to do it with some kind of wit to make some kind of point. Unlike, say Frankie Boyle and latterly (but not formerly) Gervais who use just to be mean-spirited
@dan1100912 жыл бұрын
then why do we use words like "idiot" or "mad" - arent they just as bad, or does a certain amount of time have to pass before they become acceptable
@IdoruFalls11 жыл бұрын
I'm a fan of both comedians and I hate 99% of this comments section
@TheGroucho6610 жыл бұрын
I'm a fan of Stewart Lee, Richard Herring and Ricky Gervais and so it was interesting when there was a conflict between all of them. When Gervais first started using the word 'mong' (when he first started his blog back in 2007/8, I genuinely didn't know what the derivation of that word was. I assumed the word was a made-up, playful gibberish word like 'twonk' or 'gimp' (My opinion that this was always his intention is supported by the fact that he now has replaced it with those gibberish words). He continued to use it, and explain its context throughout his blog, stand-up shows, podcasts and Twitter for years until it surfaced as a story suddenly. It was frustrating that intelligent people such as Lee and Herring both bought into the media storm and believed the word 'mong' to be used by Gervais as an anti-disabled comment, that Gervais' photos of pulling stupid faces was in any way related to his use of the word 'mong' and that the news that Gervais was creating a show called 'Derek' at the time would be, they thought, be about mocking people with Downs Syndrome. These were all violently wrong, and no apology has come from either of them. Gervais even apologised and stopped using 'mong' because, he realised, some still felt that the word hadn't evolved for its original meaning. From Lee and Herring: nothing. Even though it was obvious to all except to the angry mob, Gervais explained the photos were unrelated in a Radio 4 interview, the artificial nature of the controversy is evident by the fact Gervais has always used it years before, and the show 'Derek' happened to be about a non-disabled, strange but very sweet guy.
@aljo90910 жыл бұрын
I like all three but Lee is becoming a bit smug. He's become a kind of caricature of himself. I've seem him criticise the Derek character. It's probably the most sympathetic portrayal of someone who's mentally disadvantaged that's appeared on TV. It's also funny. The bottom line is that he will never create something as perfect as 'The Office'. Despite his cynical shell Gervais's comedy has much more heart to it than Lee's cold, unsympathetic persona.
@Mrayrhead88310 жыл бұрын
al jones The whole point of Lee's act is to caricaturize himself
@TheGroucho6610 жыл бұрын
Mrayrhead Indeed. I love Stewart Lee, however it becomes interesting when his distrust/dislike of the media, his presumed understanding of context and his vehement support of political correctness all come into conflict - resulting in him and Herring both ignoring both their distrust of the media and their understanding of context in order to make a political correctness point. It was disheartening as a fan to see it; that neither pointed out that perhaps the media used extreme hyperbole and that the majority of the controversy was purely fabricated sensationalism, that given Gervais' entire oeuvre - it wouldn't make any sense that Gervais was actually mocking people with downs syndrome via photographing himself pulling faces in an imitation of them and, perhaps, it was simply him pulling stupid faces for the sake of it as he stated himself (And the fact that him using the word 'mong' and these photos would always appear separately supports this claim even more). They did nothing to mock or belittle the tabloids obvious attempt to exaggerate Gervais' intent such as when The Sun has on its front page: "GERVAIS HATES DOWNS SYNDROME CHILDREN" - to which Gervais responded: "Why children?". They acknowledged none of this. No apology. Nothing. It was - and still is - frustrating.
@Mrayrhead88310 жыл бұрын
TheGroucho66 I'm not really that familiar with this whole thing, being a non-brit and a non-consumer of british media. Just found this video and commented how al jones might be missing the point of Lee's act, when he's saying lee's becoming a smug & caricature of himself. I don't know the context where al jones saw Lee critizise derek, but anyway one has to be alert on Lee's current "mode" when listening/reading his stuff. Also the office -argument is a bit of ad hominem
@aljo90910 жыл бұрын
Mrayrhead. I've been a fan of Lee and Herring since they were first on telly (I've seen Herring about 8 times in the last 3 years). Herring had a run in with Gervais. He was right and Gervais was wrong (IMHO). But I don't think Gervais was trying to insult disadvantaged people. He reserves his mockery for the deserving - the rich and famous. Lee is incredibly 'right on' but I'm not sure there isn't some typically british snobbery here. (rant follows) Britain has regressed to the 1930's in terms of social mobility. In the post beatles 60's and 70's almost all actors, pop musicians and comedians came from the working or lower middle classes (monty python and cambridge footlights being obvious exceptions). This has changed dramatically. If you've not been to a fee paying school the chances of making it in these fields is now very low. Two conspicuous targets of Lee's ire are Gervais and Lee Mack. These just happen to be two very successful comedians from working class backgrounds -outside the orbit of the oxford/cambridge right-on brigade. I've found the Lee article where Lee criticises Derek: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/nov/13/stewart-lee-comedy-offensive-gervais It's obvious on reading this he hadn't seen it. What he should have done is retract his criticism. Lee's article (without seeing the show) calls the concept 'offensive and stupid'. The show doesn't mock the character and it presents someone disadvantaged in a positive and sympathetic manner. I don't see how saying The Office is better than anything Lee will ever produce is an ad hominem. It's my opinion about The Office and Lee's talents.
@dan1100912 жыл бұрын
go to the pub on any night of the week and listen to what people are saying, mong is like the least offensive? happy now,
@nexviper12 жыл бұрын
I support Ricky Gervais being taken off tv because I find him just about as funny as slamming my head repeatedly in a car door. If there is actually a more valid reason for it, as this is, well more power to it.
@BradBurnian12 жыл бұрын
If you yourself don't like Gervais' work that is fine and I respect that. However, judging the quality of someone's work based purely on the opinions of reviewers is stupid. Since when do they have the final word on what is "good" and what isn't?
@yossariancomplex12 жыл бұрын
There word is still in usage in the medical profession: 'Idiot Savant' fro example. The point I'm trying to make is that the transition of 'idiot' from terminology to vernacular is exactly the same 'mong' just not as recent. What have doctors (quite rightly) being discouraged from calling people fat got to do with it? Are you trying to suggest that medical professionals should take the piss out of their patients' ailments? "Alright fatso, nice Kidney stones!"
@iloveneytiri12 жыл бұрын
@padraic2001eire Hey glad you enjoyed it! Yep the gcse part was unusual but the perfect showcase for his talent. So do you think he beats Herring/Gervais? I certainly do. It was both clever and incredibly funny. Herring is very intelligent but suffers from not being naturally funny and Gervais writes with Merchant so instantly comparisons are made and I feel (stand up) Merchant has the beating of him. The self depreciating humour he has down to a tee.
@voodoochildjh12 жыл бұрын
But if the other 50% agree that I got punched then my view that I did get punched is not outdated as enough people share it, so that it remains relevant. I see your point, language progresses and evolves as years go by. Maybe in 10 years time the word 'mong' will no longer mean someone with 'Down Syndrome', but presently it does and in my experience as a working class 19 year old male thew majority of people I have come across realise that.
@soooyeahhh12 жыл бұрын
Well no. It's not offensive to you if you're not personally effected by disability. Or have this wonderful thing called empathy.
@badhead11 жыл бұрын
no. Its from the collins herring podcast
@thezetinsun11 жыл бұрын
How? He seems quite fair in this.
@SuckMyRightToe11 жыл бұрын
No worries, least you know to quit whilst you aren't too far behind.
@ElMufro12 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this
@TheGroucho6611 жыл бұрын
Gervais shouldn't have used such a contentious word for something as unimportant as a way of saying 'moronic friend'. Having said that, the sensationalism surrounding 'mong-gate' more and more resembled the sequence in 'Extras' where the actual controversy is exaggerated repeatedly. Gervais posting photos of himself pulling a stupid face were completely unrelated to the media's interpretation of Gervais's use of the word 'mong'. Shame on the media and Herring and Lee for linking to two together.
@fozziebumble83615 жыл бұрын
Words matter
@hoppinonabronzeleg94777 жыл бұрын
In the 1970's I had a mate who had 3 brothers, they were forever calling eachother 'Mong' . If you are of the same age (ie born in 1968) You cannot claim that you do not know what 'mong' means, or that it comes from mongoloid. ie Downs syndrome. Gervais wanted the shock factor of being able to say 'mong'! but thought he had a get-out clause, by either saying 'it had changed its meaning' or that 'I didn't know what it meant'. Ooooh! believe it. He knew what it meant alright! And Ricky Gervais is not as edgy as he would have you believe, he just understands the power of shock!
@nifralo27523 жыл бұрын
Mong as an insult for Down syndrome is because people with that often have "Chinese eyes" and Monglonoid means/meant yellow person. Like nergroid meant black and caucasoid white.
@thephilpott21942 жыл бұрын
I do wonder if 'Mong Out' might have been a corruption of Mogadon.
@JAMAICADOCK8 жыл бұрын
Ricky Gervais isn't as clever as he thinks he is. In the end he gets laughs about disabled people - and claims he's playing with politically correct faux pas. That said, he can be wickedly funny - but let's not pretend he's some kind of comedy genius. He's basically having his cake and eating it - taking the piss out of 'mongs' with a Cheshire Cat grin - that says 'only being ironic'.
@dystopia476 жыл бұрын
trev moffatt Derek didn't mock disabled people. I've known people who are disabled who loved it. People prefer being acknowledged rather than ignored and people like Herring would rather they were all ignored. Overall the Derek character is likeable.
@Torthrodhel5 жыл бұрын
@@dystopia47 and there you're making the mistake that one disabled person saying they like a portrayal means it's automatically fine by everyone. Otherwise known as, thinking we're all the same. I think it's fucking pathetic. And I think that having to accept bad representation just because we're at least being thrown a bone by some ableist div is fucking weak and just kinda sad. How about some good representation? How about put someone on TV who actually DOES have those issues and know what it's like, rather than having some disrespectful idiot play dress-up for a giggle? How about that? But oh no, I know this one person who's not annoyed by it so therefore that makes it fine for everyone.
@andzzz22 жыл бұрын
What's the name of the interviewer? He has a very characteristic voice and I can picture him in my head, but can't think for the life of me what he's called.
@bigtatties2 жыл бұрын
Andrew Collins
@andzzz22 жыл бұрын
@@bigtatties That's him! Thanks. I've really let down team Andrew in challenging times.
@saminabukhari7336 Жыл бұрын
Well said ♡
@badhead11 жыл бұрын
thats Andrew collins
@voodoochildjh12 жыл бұрын
That's not really a defence though is it? If someone punches me should I not be offended or take issue with it as it's a lot less violent than being shot at?
@6FootStories11 жыл бұрын
Is it not Mark Lawson?
@FrogmortonHotchkiss11 жыл бұрын
I particularly liked the argument "Ricky Gervais broke America therefore he wins". Based on a similar rationale, I'm going to set up a religion that worships Barabbas.
@WiggysanWiggysan12 жыл бұрын
My reply is simple : These are not funny podcast's. End off I'm not been nast or rude, its just that Mr herring's podcasts are not funny. ( IMO ) that is all. If he wants to be REALLY funny, take a page out of RG or Don Rickles or George Carlin. Now that is funny.
@antiload9 жыл бұрын
To be honest I think Ricky Gervais does all he can to 'normalise' the word and take it out of the realm of actual nasty people. Middle class liberals have such a complex over words. Of course words said in 'phrase; can be cruel, hurtful and ugly. But its also down to posturer and purpose. I'm sure these two are both good guys but to be so shit scared of using words can make one a little patronising. Just be nice & fair to people and if one slips up because of your up bringing, peer group, culture or ignorance just learn from it & don't beat yourself up about it.
@Just_lift_anyone9 жыл бұрын
Very well said!
@Psykickk9 жыл бұрын
***** or just think before you speak, which seems to be far too much effort for some people
@antiload9 жыл бұрын
Chris Mutter Yeah like thinking before you speak is a human trait, LOL
@yp77738yp77739 Жыл бұрын
Schadenfreude. It brings us pleasure to witness others unfortunate lives. Live aid watching African babies covered with flies, laughing at midgets boxing, natural disasters on the news, stopping to see a road traffic accident or watching footage of the disabled. My favourite are a series on KZfaq called retarded policemen or something similar, where a downs actor plays a cop, it’s hilarious. There’s no malice involved, it’s simply funny.
@mopthefloorezard46993 ай бұрын
I guarantee you, no one is with you on that. And there is malice involved
@yp77738yp777393 ай бұрын
@@mopthefloorezard4699You think far too highly of the human species, in this respect we are uniquely perverted amongst the animals. You never see another species transfixed by the misfortune or mortality of another member of its group. Ironically, it has served us well in a Darwinian sense. Discouraging reproductive practises or activities that lead to defective progeny or our mortality. Unfortunately, this driver is now being lost for cultural reasons and we are already seeing the outcome, regression of the species fitness, which can only get worse.
@standardbrit11 жыл бұрын
I prefer him. Stew has to ration out his material so thin. Rich is much more spontaneous and better at improvising. I think some of Stew's routines are better than any of Rich's.