I mean any emotional reaction from a "debate" doesn't indicate a "winner" as it depends on the goals of the debate. In a purely technical sense if this was a formal setting, it's unlikely that Destiny would be declared the "winner" of the debate bc he failed to present his own case in favor of his side whereas Wolff explained his side to death. Judges tend to side with the Wolffs in cases like this bc he actually presented a side to be judged whereas destiny did not. So bc you cannot divide by zero or compare and contrast nothing with something Wolff would be given the point. I think the agitation was mainly dude to passive aggression on both sides which again is frowned upon in a formal debate.

Wolff said it LMAO

@@Harrison.13 WITHOUT DESTINY SAYING STOCKS PLEASE DEBUNK X is a terrible argument.

@@BenReillySpydr1962 if you look at any of the live streams outside of destiny's or any of the vods of the debate other than destiny's everyone thinks wolff won. destiny's arguments were "OMG WITHOUT USING THAT ARGUMENT CAN YOU ARGUE" and never realized multiple economic systems can interact with each other. that a socialist enterprise can exist in capitalism as can a slave enterprise, both not capitalism. Apparently destiny is against analogies now, because he encountered one that debunked his assertion immediately.

@@KyleHUNK Link me non-socialist vods where they think wolff won. I would love to see those. All my lib buddies think destiny did below par but still won optically.

great minds think alike what can I say

Just what I was thinking. It's so weird to see how Richard attempts to assert dominance. He comes of as the same pathetic, ill-informed person that he did during their debate. It's like his one trick pony to speak and posture as if he's holding a lecture. While also being so insufferably condescending to the other person. Quite an embarrassing figure.

jlp screaming in the back like: BEEYYTHAA

I mean, both of them were right tho. Which is why it was funny when Jesse Lee Peterson saying it

Maybe Richard Wolff expected to hear a pretty lady, when he accepted to debate Destiny ?

Horseshoe law*

I know (maybe?) That this is a joke but in case it isn't, it is not a great evidence. Using an argumentative fallacy is an option no matter where you are on the political spectrum. Things like Liberia and tankies are much more apt analogies of the different view, same outcome-scenarios.

@@Manusmusic No, this is definitive proof.

Unironically yes

It's also the funniest thing ever right after Rick from the hit show "Rick and Morty" turning himself into a pickle

Yeah desTINY

YEEEES

3 to 3 and a half years of age to be specific

If Destiny is a child’s name, then I wonder what the name of Destiny’s Child is?

@@MrJustSomeGuy87 idk Destinier?

😭😂

Exactly, I unironically want a 3x option now lmao

Let me give you 3 examples,

Thanks for the tip

Lol this comment reminded me that I turned it to 1.75x. I forgot

Lance was fading pretty heavy there through the last half.

Yeah i use the extension.

Except that he doesn't debate; he lectures.

I like the 2.7-3.2x range depending on the speaker. I wonder where this slowly increasing listening speed ends. Is there a point where this plateaus? I remember thinking 1.3x sounded fast.

I would make an argument that you need to be able to understand the opposite side too but seeing as Wolff talks 90 percent of the time, it doesn't really matter anyway.

He also makes a strong case for scrubbing the next 15 minutes, and not really missing anything.

So this is how spines first formed all those millions of years ago.

@@adud6764 I mean let's be completely fair here man. The reason why people like Destiny use these stupid ass names comes from, in a nutshell, gaming, and online gaming communities and such. Do you want TheSerf to go on an explain this whole "lore" to this freaking old man that's about to die in 20 years or so? It's like you trying to explain Twitch to your grandparents man, you could technically go through the mile and beyond of effort needed to do that but why is it necessary? He pushed back a little to try to poke but then immediately realized how it would be pointless to explain and just went on. Just like how you absolutely give up when explaining some "technological" thing to a technologicaly illiterate person and just go "Here i'll just do it" instead of teaching it to them

Andres sure, but overall Lance simps for Wolf a lot so in that context it seems like he‘ll actually push back on something bu he backs off straight away. It‘s pretty sad when you can‘t critisize your ideological daddy even on something that has nothing to do with the important topic.

A tiny fishbone spine, but yes.

@@adud6764 and to think that insult came from a man named Wolf Penis, he could use a cool gamer tag or two.

He claims that he values people’s free time yet he never gives anybody any..... damn socialist always being hypocrites

True af

Well probably he’s one of the few professors for whom at least some people would want to stay during a break.

"I don't know, CAN you?"

@@giovannipanzeri6431 lmao, no. He fills the air with 95% useless shit. He's just a bad speaker

Nice

🤣

He revealed in that exchange that he is so focused on feudalism because he actually thinks we're still living under it. "We actually are the serfs though"

@@krombopulos_michael Did the joke go over your head?

@@krombopulos_michael So what are we? Some kind of *The Serfs TV* ? - Smill With

only destiny fans care, the left loved wolff's reactions and comments throughout this saga

You dont need to know the lore. But it does come across as petty for a professor to make fun of someone's online moniker.

@@chocolatMouse I wouldn't really say so, more so just out of touch / not used to the online ecosystem.

@@wachowski9525 That’s the danger of an echo chamber. Wolff got dog walked by destiny.

@@e13kid Dick Wolf should've chosen that Kevin guy as his champion... It looked embarrassing, and not even Jon-Tron embarrassing... More like who-let-grandpa-near-the-microphone embarrassing :P

meh, I thought it was weak. he didn't even mention feudalism.

My only hope is that he was making a self-deprecating joke. If he did it did it fell flat. He also didn't seem to show any awareness of his extreme long-windedness later in the discussion. Have you ever heard that little joking admonishment "Never use a big word when a diminutive word will do"? It's like Wolff didn't get the joke, and instead used it as a model sentence to build his conversations out of.

Rich coming from the guy who named himself after the Executive Producer of Law & Order SVU

Dickwolves ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

The og canceling

So fucking true lol

I think we’re all just used to destiny’s way of speaking

@@kebabfoto I guess, but I listened to half the video now at 1.5 speed and it sounds like normal human. Then 1.75 sounds like a transitory period between normal and Destiny. 2x is when it gets Destiny lol

@@kebabfoto aka how every human should speak-I can’t stand normal life now everyone just talks so fucking slow and inserts so much unnecessary shit into their speech like “um”s and “like”s hhhhhh grrrr

Holy shit you're right

That's because Wolff doesn't have anything else. Man, no wonder the online left are embarrassed and angry. Their daddy made an utter witless tool of himself and the rest is pure rationalizing and sour grapes.

Honestly kinda sad man, you would think someone that has experienced as much as Wolff and 'studied' the material around socialism and Capitalism, would have rich arguments against Capitalism and would school destiny on everything but here we are.

@@m80mangg - That's why this is so embarrassing for the online lefties: because it showed their intellectual icon to be a vapid, petty, bloviating buffoon. .. Which is a conclusion painfully obvious to anyone who's actually studied even basic economics. Much less advanced or actually grasps micro, macro, behavioral, or the different schools of it.

@@m80mangg thats all you got out of 1 and half hour?

@@exiledhebrew1994 I haven't watched this video but I listened to the whole debate and Wolff's performance was really bad. People like vaush and other lefties agree with me too.

How do you do fellow feudalists.

@@synchronium24 YOU WILL ALL BE SUBJUGATED UNDER THE MIGHT UNDER THE BURNING LEGION!

bruh he speaks on all 1-9 key presses

Fun game: randomly click through the video and see what he is monologuing about and guess what the question was.

Holy fuck. This is actually challenging

Well, it is an interview of him... who else would be speaking?

It's most suited for those 18 and up, however.

Exactly

The parents are supposed to obligate those selfish ones to work ; and in a political system (he didn't mention this there), there would be democracy to change the "parents" if they don't do a good job.

The relationship is entirely different, because you have lifelong relationships with your family, and several, much shorter relationships with different employers/corporations. The responsibilities are also different - should your work come home to you, clean, and make chicken soup when you're sick? Might be irrelevant to his overall point but the comparison didn't sit well with me.

@@coldcartcold8633 That just sounds like regular bosses with extra steps, which was exactly what he wanted to avoid, no?

Well no, because you vote on the bosses,you don't have to "create your own separate company if you don't like the boss". It's quicker, more dynamic, with votes. Also, you can still have that with cooperatives. He was saying the family, the planning, analogy, for the relationship outside of the cooperative, between coops. He was saying he prefers that logic instead of markets.

seems reasonable

Any family around West Virginia/Ohio? My last names Keller also and was just curious. I met a distant cousin online once randomly. XD

@@nacklewinkle9751 The last name came from my dad's family who were returned to Liberia and came back for college in the early to mid 1960s.

unskippable cutscenes

Peer pressure, drugs, and cheap webcams have led to many regrets.

Well he wouldnt rly be a fan of the guy if it was bothering that he does what he does. Lectures

it's a girls name

I know. I'm all for removing the elitism from academia. But you also can't act like some random dumbass on the internet with no education can seriously say that he's defeated a proper economist in the "marketplace of ideas" because his audience find his "opponent" boring

Which guy are you describing? Richard Wolf does not match your description at all.

@@spacetoast7783 Was that directed at me? Richard Wolff has an AB in history from Harvard, master's degrees in economics from Stanford and Yale and a master's in history from Yale, and a PhD in economics from Yale. He has taught economics at many top schools around the world and has published books with leading university presses (e.g. Yale and Chicago) and articles in leading econ journals (e.g. American Economic Review and Journal of Economic History). So how did my description not match Wolff at all?

@@ericd9827 It doesn't match Wolf because he hasn't published any economic research or taught any economics classes in decades.

@@spacetoast7783 that response doesn't do nearly the work you want it to--a person with all the relevant degrees and the relevant research remains superior to the uneducated lad even if the professor is emeritus. read my comment again, it perfectly matches Wolff.

Surprised he didnt say he has spent his eternity of non-existence outside of American Academia. Guess he doesnt like history as much as he claims.

yeah, live-streaming college drop-outs have the deep insights! who needs academics, when you have millions of brainwashed live-streamers?

@@anti_fox9586 Wolff just goes to show there are obtuse academics who have bigger egos and less of a grounding in reality than streamers. Who needs them, indeed 😬

Before I talk about America and school let me talk to Tupi about the Clovis native Americans who discovered paleo feudalism using mammoth ivory

@@nocuh and destiny is not one of those grounded in reality... way, way too must trust for the status quo.

So what you are saying is that destiny is a girls name?

You have three cousins all with the same name? Thats really bizarre

@@SpaceManNation I've got over a hundred cousins.

@@SpaceManNation I'm assuming they aren't siblings

counterpoint: you probably don't know what a market is

It was more childish of Wolff to point it out than for Steven to call himself Destiny.

@cool CHAT You're right, "Ur name dum" is a mature statement. If you disagree with that you are just a Destiny shill, obviously.

@@TheKomentor faxx

@@soleo2783 classic destiny fan strawman there (godstiny)

Man, if Wolff knew how tall Destiny is, or his marriage history, or his Amos Yee take, or seen his dick pick, he would obliterate our boy for sure. Should have mentioned that "Jazz is just _bffglrpfgbpfglg_ " too, that would teach him.

Idk if you know where destiny got his name from and are making a based meme Or if you're making a cringe meme 🤔

@@mlgmcdonaldsland7063 He's meme'ing what Wulff said at the beginning in regards to Destiny's name.

@@Marusinae You don't understand how deep the meme runs

@@mlgmcdonaldsland7063 I understand the depth of the meme, I'm merely stating that it adapted a new form due to what was said at the beginning of the video.

@@mlgmcdonaldsland7063 You don't understand how deep your cringe runs

Some people are commenting that their survival rate goes up dramatically if they play at 2x speed. I say playing at 0.25x is safer and leaves you less likely to fall down any feudalism rabbitholes.

Surfs: "can you see me now?" RW: proceeds to describe every item on his camera in detail, even past the point of it being a joke.

@@pexa02 "let me tell you what I *don't* see."

Enough to be redistributed to the proletariat

@@jamrollz Perfectly equal, as all things should be?

@@jamrollz Banger comment

@cool CHAT It's a good thing only Destiny fans care about this stuff, right?

'Goteem! But for real, excellent point!

@cool CHAT - Man, the Wolff groupies coping so hard trying to claim destiny got destroyed when Wolff embarrassed himself because he couldn't even give a simple definition of socialism. Cope harder.

@cool CHAT translation: Wolff is a professor who couldn't give even a simple definition. Cope harder

@cool CHAT - That he kept on going back and forth between you flatulent brainlet. Guess you didn't actually listen because you're a Wolff yuppie.

Wow, what aunique comment, you should post more like it!

Maybe I will. But I'm worried, I'll trigger all those sensitive people and I don't want to see them cry. They lead sad enough lives as it is, you know? Don't want to add to those bitter tears.

It's funny how you allow other people's feelings to prevent you from saying things, it's almost asif you're a child.

Well, I was thinking first and foremost of you. Are you OK? I didn't mean to make you cry. I am really sorry.

I'd say it's more of a... Have a real name and call your debate persona SlayerzHakzor986969. Even worse, Destiny is pretensious af.

No

There's no way, unless Destiny installs some extra capture boxes on his own station. Editors just download the vods and cut them up.

@@bennymountain1 I imagined that was the case. Problems have solutions and you just named one

Jessy

@@CrestOfArtorias I thought it was Jesse B Peterson?

​@@jeffwells641 Jesse LEE Peterson. Jordan Peterson is a different person.

Yeah I am sure that guy should organize our economy. ... .

Nope he’s right destiny legally changed his name simply by putting it as his username lol 😂

@That Fat Guy From GTA SA nah he mad as fuck, probably poor with no job.

So like all hard lefties?

@@aydenr5467 like lefties in general lol

Based.

That's literally what happens all the time eith online lefties coming into contact with reality or the people living in it.

@cool CHAT says the brain dead Wolff yuppie Also, I'm not even a destiny fan, I just love it when Wolff gets dunked on and embarrasses himself for being the moron that he is

I keep having to correct people on this: Destiny is not a girl's name, it's a stripper's name. If you've named your daughter Destiny it's because she's going to be a stripper when she grows up.

The guy makes up a story to make communism look cool and misrepresents business structure to make capitalism seem bad. So i doubt hes above lying

The stuff that you are teached in economics is based on models that make assumptions about individual behavior and then aggregate said behavior to the macro level to analyse the entire economic system. This approach has nothing to do with "society", it analyzes the subsystem "the economy" and mostly cares about the efficient allocation of ressources and labor. If you want to learn about a more broader perspective, then you'd have to look at sociological approaches, I'm not talking about reading Marx or whatever Wolff is smoking, but Granovetter, Fligstein, Polanyi etc. People defend economics and say that their models take the embeddedness of the economy into society in account, so this is a biased view from my field, but I think that in order to fully understand the economy you can't stay solely within your disciplin.

@@xXWorldgamefunXx I’m not an economist, I just had to take the courses to graduate and the teachers never influenced my politics. I don’t think anybody that studies Econ would tell you that they don’t need sociology. They are two different fields but they both can benefit society. I’m wondering why you think I said anything differently tbh

@@bcs259 is social science even science?

@@tckgkljgfl7958 You'll never know if you don't try! I think that's where we are with social science - there's certainly an attempt to be scientific there, but so far not a lot has come from it that you can say "there, we've pretty well figured this out. Even if we have to update it later, this is pretty solid on its own". For example, even models that are known to be technically wrong in Physics, like Newton's Laws of Motion, are good enough for day to use with only fringe cases (like GPS satellites) running into issues. Sociology would LOVE to have a theory that worked anywhere near as well.

This was a well thought out response. Seriously.

@@jimtownsend3910 why thank you good sir for the ego boost. I now feel smart.

That's probably why Jordan Peterson caught on so well. An intelligent, gloriously articulate person who can turn his professor voice off and be a normal person when he's being interviewed. Even if Wolff is potentially smarter, nobody wants to listen to the guy because he doesn't know how to address a general group of people.

@@williamkelley1971 Even if you had all the right answers you're not going to change anyone's opinion if you can't answer simple questions without rambling about feudalism. Einstein put it like this "If you can't explain something simply, you don't understand it well enough".

@@williamkelley1971 In what world does Jordan Peterson not give long winded, rambling answers?? It isn’t this one

Oh I'm so glad I'm not the only one who got that feeling

This! It’s hard to listen to anything Wolff says bc he comes off so condescending, not in a disappointed teacher way either, it’s the “haha I’m smarter than you, gamer loser... woman’s name”

You're projecting hard. It was all in good fun, Destiny and his community were the ones to go hard on Wolff to begin with. You were always going to say Wolff was bitter, not because he was actually bitter, but because you disagree with his ideas so you have to attack him anyway.

You for real 😂

When somebody does that, they go down miles in credibility for me, despite me sometimes liking their ideas. It's just so much a kinder garden grade way to dehumanize 🤪

@@inajosmood for me I just don’t understand it’s a GAMER TAG, just like Dream’s real name isn’t Dream, but people call him that, or Mr. Beast. It’s also important for marketing reasons, because it helps people remember u. Kinda makes me mad/annoyed/confused when people don’t get that.

You’ve been in his community for ages, for most of these people it’s near enough their first time encountering him. One of the first things that sticks out as the fact that . . . Look I don’t wonna have to say it . . . But destiny . . . It is a girls name.

@cool CHAT Damn bro, i hope you're trolling and not being that dumb

@cool CHAT i luv u beautiful

This is the most Nathan comment I have seen

😂 so accurate

Token size is about 5 minutes

To all the streamers/steamer fans crying about how "long-winded" Wolff is, you all sound like you've never read a book in your life. You're just a bunch of illiterate media addicts crying about someone who reads, writes, and speaks for a living.

It all relates lmfao. Just because you're working backwards from your pre established conclusion and youre approaching everything with a closed mind doesnt make wolff wrong, or make it so hes going off topic. Things dont happen in a vacuum. This is what I hate about you libcucks, you always wana isolate individual things and hyperfocus on semantics instead of actually engaging with reality. Yall are almost worse than conservatives cuz youre all just as wrong, but so much more confidently patronizing

​@@Tom-rt6dfIt doesn't matter how much you ramble if you don't actually answer the question. If someone asked you the time, giving a history of watch styles doesn't count as an answer.

Hell yeah!

What about capitalism has to do with hierarchy? In the sense of the top-down system you speak of? You can have a capitalist firm that seeks profit but pays all workers equally and well and is completely democratic - that isn’t tyranny.

@@rachelrust You're describing Socialism. Thanks

​@@rachelrust What you mentioned are the exceptions. So how are 99% of private institutions run and controlled? Is it a flat egalitarian democratic structure, or are the people on the top the ones in control? As a matter of fact, the entire Capitalist economy is tyrannical. A tiny superwealthy non-elected elite at the top controlling most of the stocks and resources.

@@rachelrust it cant compete with firms that don't which is why firms don't

Wolff: I don't even care whether or not systems of socialism use markets. Wolff literally 5 seconds later: I personally hate markets.

Another thing is that a lot of the problems with the “production” side that Wolff points out, are directly linked to the market as it is caused by companies/boss trying to get the most put of its imputs/workers in order to make as big as a profit as possible. For example as Wolff puts it “controlling when you go to the bathroom” aka trying to limit worker downtime

@@sinfinite7516 I refuse to believe that in 2021 in the Western world there is a company where the boss is "controlling when you go to the bathroom”. Besides understandable situations like we're in an important meeting, we must finish this task etc, I refuse to believe that there is some boss in the civilized world that controls when you go to take a shit just for the heck of it. Even if that person exist it would not survive in a capitalist world for long.

@@bolmeteussteeldragon47 yeah I agree, I’d say 90/100 times thats the case. But there’s also reports of amazon workers peeing in bottles so 🤷🏻‍♂️, I guess it does happen some times. Edit: we have some laws and human decency! against this thankfully, but it is also important to note that the incentive for making workers work long shifts w/o peeing is to get as much work done as fast as possible and as cheap as possible which is part of the profit motive. But its also kind of funny Wolff keeps pointing to the bathrooms as an example of what happens b/c of the worker boss relationship when there are so many other things to point to. 😂

@cool CHAT do you not get tired of hatewatching?

@cool CHAT lol ngl I watched Booksmarts video on this and I’d say your right, but its more like Destiny didn’t hear the definition because he wasn’t paying attention or something idk. So its more like he didn’t understand the definitions given by Wolff as they’re not the traditionally given ones, and Destiny usually considers the market and intrinsic part of Capitalism.

Tbf that’s a totally shitty system. You could do 5 hours of work in the garden and get £/$20. Working an actual job, I realised how much bs that was

@@lordfifth3106 yeah

People would do things for money, not because they are necessary to do.

​@@GalacticNovaOverlord wat

The problem isnt the system its people. People who want power will acquire it, no matter how the system works.

You pretty much described why the USSR didn’t work.

That's absolutely the case. He's an educator, and a very good one at that. He makes marxist theory, which is notoriously complicated, seem very approachable to people outside of academia. His lectures and videos are great entry points for people who want to know more about marxism and socialism, but are put off by the lengthy tomes of Marx himself. Unfortunately, we live in a world where the prevailing dogma abhors marxist theory like a vampire does garlic, and so we're inprinted with preconceived notions of what marxism and socialism is, and always the underlying conclusion that it is unworkable. That's why Destiny treats socialism and capitalism as static categories that must be defined by simplistic terms and treated as such. Capitalism is when Y, and socialism is when X. As Wolff tried his best to explain, that is counter to the entire analysis of Marxism, that examines modes of production in relation to the historical development of societies. I used to think exactly like Destiny in this regard, it's almost scary, but after engaging with the theory in an honest way, I came to see that it had some very good analyses and far greater explanatory power than the mainstream orthodoxy. The reason Destiny is so soured on the idea of making historical parallels and examinations of previous systems is that one of the essential mechanisms of neoliberal ideology, is to remove historical analysis from the equation and ratify capitalism as the endpoint of history without consciously admitting to that position.

@@mayonaden Do you have any book recommendations that would be accessible to a layman and help me get in the mindset to approach more complex theory?

@@moderndistortion2957 Sure, Richard Wolff's "Understanding Marxism" and "Understanding Socialism" would be candidates. Terry Eagleton's "Why Marx Was Right" is very good at dispelling myths as well. David Harvey has produced lectures and texts that are supposed to provide support for people who want to understand Das Kapital, which is probably the quintessential marxist work, but also notoriusly hard to wrap your head around. Other than that, you should never be afraid to search for material on platforms like youtube, though some are better than others. I can warmly recommend this series for anyone who want to grasp Marx' theories surrounding value and production. kapitalism101.wordpress.com/law-of-value-the-series/

@@mindlander Sure. Socialism at its core is about worker ownership of the means of production. It doesn't say anything about the distribution of what is produced, so you can conceivably have a socialist society that's mostly centrally planned - where the distribution of products is determined by a government body or some kind of committee or whatever - or you could have a socialist society that mostly relies on market forces - one where worker co-ops still produce the luxury goods we all know and love but market forces like supply/demand determine whose hands those goods end up in and what co-ops thrive/fail. Saying "welcome to liberalism," which I take Destiny to mean "welcome to economies with competition and self-regulating markets," misses the mark on this entirely because socialism is not fundamentally opposed to market forces or competition. It's unrelated entirely.

@@mindlander I don't know if that's really fair. You're allowed to start a co-op but there are significant barriers in doing so. Finding funding is one, finding likeminded people is another - in a society that values capitalism as highly as America and many countries in "the West" do, it's not exactly the easiest thing to do and I don't agree that this is somehow a poor reflection of socialism. Anyway, co-ops are growing and succeeding right now. Here is a good Bloomberg article that covers this recent success as well as touches on some of the systemic barriers I alluded to: www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-03-31/employee-co-ops-need-financing-these-impact-investors-want-to-help

@@mindlander See, I just don't like when people talk about capitalism and socialism like binary choices. Realistically, Marx and anyone who has a vague understanding of these things understand that elements of the two can co-exist and in fact MUST co-exist. Saying it's a "poor reflection of socialism" is odd to me because there are a litany of studies that indicate worker co-ops have positive outcomes like worker retention, longevity of firms, etc. "Socialised" things have also done wonders for just about every modern society. Socialized infrastructure, roads created, maintained, and owned by the government, completely transformed our way of living. We say "socialism" because it doesn't end at co-ops. I also believe in socialized healthcare, utilities, infrastructure, housing to some extent, food to some extent. It's also just an accurate descriptor.

@@mindlander To me, it's infinitely funny that Destiny's community criticizes Wolff for moralizing the question surrounding history and Feudalism (not any substantive critique, just a juvenile one - as usual), but when a Socialism comes and inserts some "moralizing assuaging tokens" of "Socialism is the extension of capitalist enlightened values and the liberal promise of equality" or "Socialism can co-exist within Capitalism", they lap it up and claim those are the reasonable lefties. In summary, they're not even mad at the core idea of Socialism itself. They're not particularly great at refuting it either, they just circlejerk and recycle the same 5 dead beaten memes over and over again. At its core, they're just mad that they're not being given enough kisses, hugs and validation along the way. It makes you wonder if this whole channel is about a reasonable exploration of political ideas, or about people fulfilling their emotional needs. I would guess it's the latter. And knowing that is even sweeter, consider how assmad Destiny is about other people's rethoric, how he is a "logiclord" that can see beyond little dialectical tricks. Little does he know, that's all his audience cares about.

@@mindlander Good own. I'm so owned. Go you!

You want to know what sex is? I'll tell you what it isn't!

He's the teacher where you ask him a question and he responds with an answer that in no way answers your question. Afterwards he asks does that answer your question? While you give a complete lie of a yes.

Asking questions is an art. Sometimes people are just to stupid to realize that they are not asking the right ones.

-very open minded destiny fan who is definitely always changing his mind

​@@knowledgeanddefense1054 Wolff has been a broken record for a decade.

@@soulcapitalist6204 OK libtard

Tears? What tears?

Holding back tears lmao? Ever heard the "Destiny, that's a woman's name" outro? Richard Wolff is doing a Jesse Lee Peterson. It's hilarious and memeable. Who wouldn't laugh?

@@BenReillySpydr1962 I mean it's obviously motivated attack by wolf, you can't pretend to not be elitist but then make claims about maturity.. it's just seems petty that he would give a s**t if someone called themselves Destiny while the "Surfs" is somehow cool 🤷‍♂️

@cool CHAT haha the irony in that comment... all I said was that wolf was being petty.. but obviously you must have a weird obsession with Destiny to hate-watch him and then pretend the people casually watching him, are the ones with the weird parasocial relationship...

@cool CHAT wait what? haha do you understand what hate watching means? if you dislike a person and his views, but then go out of your way to watch his videos and fight in his comment section, you are absolutely hate watching. the amount destiny must live in your head, that you feel the need to seek out his comment section, is disturbing my dude... the likely hood that a random viewer who likes Destiny videos is obsessed, is gonna be way lower than weirdos like you on the internet hate watching his content.

Well, first we need to undestand how it didn't came into existence...

Did you say feudalism?

@Nathan Hoffman a wolf isn’t a hat, a wolf isn’t a bat.

@@peewee130946 🎵But Richard Wolff is definitely on crack! 🎶

@Nathan Hoffman I believe the definition of wolf in the dictionary is actually "Not a snake". Seems like a pretty good definition to me.

The brain rot with Destiny fans is fucking unreal. Most of them think history is irrelevant when it comes to economics, this is profoundly fucking stupid that I read one comment during the chat that says “that’s like going back to Ancient Greece to explain physics.” Well the fucking Ancient Greek philosopher Euclid discovered geometry which is the ACTUAL fucking foundation for theoretical physics today. This level of brain rot from Destiny fans is on a scale that really illustrates the idiocracy of American discourse…they are getting their understanding of economics from a fucking twitch streamer that plays video games for a living.

All the titles are done by the editor, not Destiny

one could dream... 😢

He probably didn't and probably won't. Even while Booksmarts was directly going through with points that proved Destiny wrong, he continued to double, triple and quadruple down on his positions. When Destiny criticizes something Prof. Wolff says (i.e. "he can't answer any questions") he's basically failing to understand his own biases. He's expecting an answer that's in line with his position and when he doesn't get that answer he immediately asserts that it must not be an answer at all. It's a really sad outcome considering Destiny has a huge fan base and will likely spawn more people that will watch this debate and replicate his style. I think I agree with Booksmarts that it's sad that Destiny is more interested in throwing his arms up in defeat rather than engaging intellectually. The glaring lesson is that academics are not in it for optics while people like Destiny are. In the end, optics will win over anyone that isn't motivated enough to pay close attention.

@@MrMusashiMusashi The issue was morein that Destiny wanted Wolff to take a stance on what socialism could be defined as (Wolff refused to do that other than give 3 incredibly broad definitions that he could later retreat to any of when given a question that would be hard on 1 or 2 of the other definitions,) and run with that stance to see the consistency and where it offered pros and cons compared to our current system. Wolff wasn't having it and wanted to dance around these multiple definitions as well as simply claim that our current system isn't sufficient but his unproven systems could definitely handle whatever the situation may have been. It was a rhetorical nightmare because Wolff would never stick to the definition he claimed he liked most (I believe it was the last one) and would give answers that simply didn't allign with what would logically follow from his preferred of the 3 positions regarding socialism (one of which was just capitalism with lots of government meddling...) Richard Wolff gave answers, sure, but they were wholly unsatisfactory when considering the conversation Destiny was trying to have. Destiny was trying to see what would happen if given hypotheticals were posed or comparing what "Socialism" does differently than what we currently have and the answers just didn't hit the mark. That's really all that conversation amounted to, (and that's disregarding the part where Wolff was just making shit up about feduciary responsibility in our current system.)

@@MrMusashiMusashi >people are biased >"prof." Wolff >they are all posturing except my professor. sounds very consistent

Destiny avowedly denies free will and individual rights. He is not a liberal by any definition except that he is willing to let people work if it means that wealth can be extracted from them to fund "good" programs.

@@MichaelMusson-en7be YADAF

Yup. Both those who extol it as the greatest quality education on Earth and those who label it a sham school have plainly never attended. I don’t mind the former group at least because they’re the reason going here was worth the effort, but the latter group is so smug in being wrong that it comes across as pure cope. Maybe it is.

no body cares about Vaush. Go post that on his channel

@@arashabtahi3797 False, and no.

@@arashabtahi3797 Vaush is almost bigger than Destiny now

They used markets to help Vietnam or when Lenin’s 90% bank socialist apparatus.

No, it doesn't require a profit incentive to produce, but it does require capital. Anime is relatively expensive to produce, it takes a lot of people a lot of time to make. At that point, it's not a question of artistic decision, but capital allocation.

@@ryanli5803 I agree. Collectives of artists cooperating with their own minor capital that only they work with (things like pens or drawing tablets) or owning a larger sum of capital together seems feasible.

the vast vast vast majority of artistic innovation and production in the world is unpaid

Still 80% smug.

@Chris Smith Same

@Chris Smith I watched a video where he reacted to an AJW clip eviscerating him, and he said nothing.

I agree. It proves Wolff is clueless.

to play devil's advocate - you implied necessity in the 1st person saying he needs the shirts, so you're contradicting yourself. What if the person said no to the person's request for shirts? Hypothetically the shirt seeker would be disappointed? Perhaps not but interesting to think about

@@joe1edgeley I mean, we can just rephrase it to "I would like a couple shirts"

@@joe1edgeley Whoops, I'll take Joshua's advice. It was a mistake, I already said at the start of the comment that neither parties needed the items they were asking for but didn't pay attention to the phrasing later

Here's the idiotic thing about the oranges and shirts argument: If I can afford to give away 3 oranges for 2 shirts IT MEANS I NEED THE SHIRTS MORE THAN THE ORANGES! That's the basis of EVERY ECONOMIC EXCHANGE! I have a surplus of something that I don't need, I can exchange that surplus for something that I DO need. All capital systems did was shift the surplus to currency, so that it's easier to exchange. Instead of exchanging oranges for shirts directly, I exchange 3 oranges for $20, and $20 for 2 shirts. Because what if the guy with the shirts wants pineapples instead of oranges? Well, we can still make the exchange, and he can take that $20 and buy a pineapple. This is super fucking basic economics, and Wolff acts like it's the biggest revelation in the world. Also note that the exchange is ALWAYS 2-sided, which Wolff completely misses in his "other reasons for needing oranges" argument: in order to get 3 oranges because your family is hungry, SOMEONE ELSE'S FAMILY MUST GO HUNGRY if that exchange is accepted. Now, perhaps they have a big enough buffer that they can take on both your hungry family and their own hungry family, but now they don't have shirts, and must trade the shirts guy with my cold and shivering children. That doesn't make fucking sense at all, and is a complete disaster. And why the hell should I accept the idea that your only value to society is a hungry and unclothed family? The complete sum of your contributions is negative? You can't come up with anything at all to trade? You can't even help me pick the oranges? Or sew the shirts? Fuck you man, I'm not giving you shit, and you don't deserve shit.

I thought the same thing when I heard him say that. One says that change is universal and the other says that contradictions are inherent in everything.