Is Miami Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa Worth $50 Million Per Year?? | The Rich Eisen Show

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@danb2083
@danb2083 3 ай бұрын
Every QB in the league can thank Daniel Jones for setting 40 million as the new starting QB minimum. If the worst QB in the league gets 40 million then that's where negotiations start for everyone.
@ngc-fo5te
@ngc-fo5te 3 ай бұрын
He wasn't the worst in the league though. That's just wishful thinking on your part.
@cfredtmbg
@cfredtmbg 3 ай бұрын
@@ngc-fo5te Agreed, he’s not the worst, but he’s not a good QB. At all. Everyone around the NFL knows it was a horrible contract and it’s messing up the market.
@ngc-fo5te
@ngc-fo5te 3 ай бұрын
@cfredtmbg Oh I don't think he's good but there are a few worse. Actually I don't think it really affected the market - the contracts were spiralling up anyway.
@salamander337
@salamander337 3 ай бұрын
That's because the Giants has no one else. And they planned to sabotage other teams from keeping everyone. 😂 They can afford to play that game.
@nightshift8249
@nightshift8249 3 ай бұрын
Giants fan here. DJ is far from ideal but he’s middle of the pack. You couldn’t even judge him last season. Our line had him seeing ghosts from week 1 and he wasn’t healthy. I don’t agree with paying him what we did, but he’s had the deck stacked against him his entire career. And who was there to throw to? The key was supposed to be Darren Waller but naturally he was hobbled all year. Worst I can say about Jones is that he’s mediocre.
@bluepuma12
@bluepuma12 3 ай бұрын
He's worth 50 Filet-o-Fish sammiches
@karenhardie1132
@karenhardie1132 3 ай бұрын
It's what the market is now. Tua will get his bag. Kirk has 400 million for one playoff win. 😂
@camreese
@camreese 3 ай бұрын
Yeah but kirk has a strong arm and is actually accurate not the Fugazi accuracy of tua
@lowkey6597
@lowkey6597 3 ай бұрын
​@@camreese- 🤡
@robertdering2608
@robertdering2608 3 ай бұрын
I'd take Kirk , over Tua in a Second.
@MarsPegasus
@MarsPegasus 3 ай бұрын
​@robertdering2608 Man, I think you're smoking weapons-grade crack to take Cousins over Tua, who just led the league in passing yards.
@lowkey6597
@lowkey6597 3 ай бұрын
​@@robertdering2608- 🤡
@MartinFWhite
@MartinFWhite 3 ай бұрын
Burrows made it to the Super Bowl. Tua hasn't won a playoff game. There's the difference.
@PA96704
@PA96704 3 ай бұрын
So what about the rest of them? Stat man?
@joshuaphilbert7995
@joshuaphilbert7995 3 ай бұрын
Burrows post seasons stats are worse than Kirk cousins. The difference is the Bengals defense was top notch, especially in turnovers both years.
@milesligon5696
@milesligon5696 3 ай бұрын
Burrows and Tua both lost to the Superbowl winner. So they have that in common.
@nnjjee1
@nnjjee1 3 ай бұрын
And he can't perform in cold weather
@funnykids572
@funnykids572 3 ай бұрын
Tua has better stats amd played more games at a higher level
@Hitman1978
@Hitman1978 3 ай бұрын
Owners and GMs are being really stupid lately betting the house on all these young QBs who really haven't proven anything. How in the world are you going to pay a QB $50M a year and they haven't even won you a playoff game yet. There definitely needs to be a market reset on QB prices, but it'll never happen.
@southsidetone
@southsidetone 3 ай бұрын
Tua just finally stayed healthy 4 a whole season. If paying tua stops them from keeping players u just can't do it
@Ballaholic17
@Ballaholic17 3 ай бұрын
With a loaded roster too.
@mr.doctorcaptain1124
@mr.doctorcaptain1124 3 ай бұрын
I think we’re in a very strange NFL era where the GMs are seemingly incompetent, but the coaching staffs are the best they’ve ever been.
@NightcoreNewbie
@NightcoreNewbie 3 ай бұрын
As odd as it sounds, the market reset will probably come from Purdy. Think about it. Purdy has 2 NFC championship appearances and 1 superbowl appearance regardless of how much or little he was carried by the team depending on who you ask. Other teams will go to their qb and say "Can you do what Purdy did?" and then go based on whatever pay Purdy gets from his contract. Weird world we live in but that's just how it is now.
@TrumpTrain911
@TrumpTrain911 Ай бұрын
@@southsidetoneI love Tua I really do and he’s extremely accurate, I think Skyler. Can run this offense if Tua ask for too much and we move on from him
@lhfirex
@lhfirex 3 ай бұрын
$50 million a year for Tua... sounds like Jerry's sequel to All In.
@pewterpirate4560
@pewterpirate4560 3 ай бұрын
I think Miami suffers "the curse of the Marino." 13 years, sniffed the Superbowl once as the greatest passer in the game, and was never given a running game.
@ultra13907
@ultra13907 3 ай бұрын
or defence
@MSgt_0699
@MSgt_0699 3 ай бұрын
Except the Dolphins right now have a running game and the Defense is going to be improved from last year.
@JiandiP
@JiandiP 3 ай бұрын
I hope they're better but that's yet to be seen. Losing Wilkins is probably the biggest game changer. Also AVG to a lesser extent. Then there's question marks on Chubb and Phillips. How will the rookies develop? Will Cam Smith finally get some snaps? Is Fuller an upgrade over Howard? Will the defense remain relatively healthy over the course of the season? Anthony Weaver has his work cut out for him.
@Sacred_G_
@Sacred_G_ 3 ай бұрын
They had a #3 defense with Marino one year ​@@ultra13907
@c2jones
@c2jones 3 ай бұрын
Dan played 17 seasons and won playoff games on the road late in his career solely on his arm. The last Miami QB to win a playoff game since Marino wasn't even Tua. (Jay Fiedler.)
@rorroreyes1739
@rorroreyes1739 3 ай бұрын
It’s always so tough for rich to say he’s wrong lol
@mr.doctorcaptain1124
@mr.doctorcaptain1124 3 ай бұрын
Everyone in the world: “Burrow made it to a Super Bowl and is probably the second best QB in the league. Tua hasn’t even won a playoff game.” Rich Eisen “Yeah they’re basically the same QB in terms of accomplishments.”
@ryandodsonmusic
@ryandodsonmusic 3 ай бұрын
As a Bengals fan I would be horrified if we went from Burrow to Tua. Burrow is a super star. Tua is an okay qb… there’s a massive difference between a quarterback who gets you to the playoffs and one who gets you to the Super Bowl. Bengals have had both.
@wiseguy417
@wiseguy417 Ай бұрын
tua is not a top 3 qb
@6timechamp
@6timechamp Ай бұрын
I don’t think players can demand they should get what this player gets because a team made a stupid decision.
@6timechamp
@6timechamp Ай бұрын
Tua can’t beat Josh Allen so this is a stupid argument.
@Norseman311
@Norseman311 3 ай бұрын
No one should make more than Pat Mahomes drop mic
@roguebossa
@roguebossa 3 ай бұрын
You sir are Correct
@SeventhSonofASeventhSon77
@SeventhSonofASeventhSon77 3 ай бұрын
Give me a break. I'm not going to dispute Mahomes being a great QB, but I see too many games where the refs essentially give them wins to act like it's all him.
@JediTiga
@JediTiga 3 ай бұрын
Mahomes makes 25 mil a year in endorsements, he doesn't care about having the biggest contract
@AlainNavasDrama
@AlainNavasDrama 3 ай бұрын
Ima a dolphins fan, I love Tua…I want to keep him, that being said, he is a mid level tier qb….Somewhere in the 40-45million range …Goff has better size, and playoff proven…One SB appearance and a conference final appearance …
@jeanfourcade
@jeanfourcade 3 ай бұрын
As another Dolphin fan, I keep hoping we would ditch Tua altogether IF we're really serious about building a winning team. Tua, it is awful to say, is a very good tier2 QB, but way too limited to carry a team when needed. What he does, any good QB would do it better under McDaniel. Imagine Herbert or even Dak coached by McD...
@ZGh0st1422
@ZGh0st1422 3 ай бұрын
⁠@@jeanfourcadehow do you plan on being a “winning team” by getting to rid of the guy the offense and scheme is built around? Have fun replacing the entire offense, coaching staff and scheme just to build another team that might bring you to the playoffs
@knowa745
@knowa745 3 ай бұрын
@@ZGh0st1422exactly, people act like it’s easy to find Mahomes type QBs which as Dolphins fan we should know it’s extremely rare. Moving on from Tua will only set us back
@andrewwilliams5487
@andrewwilliams5487 3 ай бұрын
Tua gonna shut yall all up watch
@davegenther6877
@davegenther6877 3 ай бұрын
Dolphin fan, 40 is what i’d pay. After that…its a reach
@kevinandrewrea123
@kevinandrewrea123 3 ай бұрын
Tua is the best QB they’ve had since Marino & it’s not even close. He is getting his 45 to 50 million
@josephfontinha3845
@josephfontinha3845 3 ай бұрын
Great point
@555calex
@555calex 2 ай бұрын
I think Dak Prescott is in this particular range...
@vince5579
@vince5579 3 ай бұрын
Make him prove it
@scamswish8664
@scamswish8664 3 ай бұрын
Prove what lol?
@TheMattTrakker
@TheMattTrakker 3 ай бұрын
@@scamswish8664 That he can win a playoff game. That he can continue to stay healthy. That he can be consistently good. That he isn't just a product of that offense, where you could plug anyone in and get very similar results.
@joec8942
@joec8942 3 ай бұрын
@@scamswish8664that he can beat a good team. That he can win on the road. That he can win in December. That he can throw outside the numbers. That he can not completely choke in the big moments. Tua is a Hawaiian Tebow
@luism8130
@luism8130 3 ай бұрын
@@joec8942 When did Tebow lead the league in passing?
@daylanm66
@daylanm66 3 ай бұрын
@@scamswish8664prove that he can beat playoff teams LMAO vs playoff teams he was 1-6 had a 62 completion % 8 tds 8 ints passer rating of 80 Vs the tomato can teams he looked good it’s unfortunate you can’t play those teams in the playoffs though 😂 and he can’t beat Josh Allen who is in the same division as tua
@Kevinjimtheone
@Kevinjimtheone 3 ай бұрын
Rich cannot possibly be comparing Burrow to Tua. Come on, man. “Not far off”?
@jeanfourcade
@jeanfourcade 3 ай бұрын
Rich is aging quickly, I think.
@luism8130
@luism8130 3 ай бұрын
Tua has played more games than Burrow..
@double5338
@double5338 3 ай бұрын
Everybody seems to forget that Burrow went to back to back AFC championship games
@LAMARViCK
@LAMARViCK 3 ай бұрын
okay and
@trazz407
@trazz407 3 ай бұрын
Cool! You should say that in a video that's about the Bengals! We are here watching a Tua video, so maybe you should know where you are in the time space continuum
@scruffd0g193
@scruffd0g193 3 ай бұрын
Yes and ? He’s got hurt again last year. Stay healthy and actually beat a healthy Ravens team (something burrow has never done)
@jimmyhooks
@jimmyhooks 3 ай бұрын
this dude comments this on every football video 😂 he's determined to remind us all
@RayWilson-bf5qz
@RayWilson-bf5qz 3 ай бұрын
Did that add up to a Superbowl?
@SunniMerlot
@SunniMerlot 3 ай бұрын
The NFL just needs to have position caps or something
@verafiedairman
@verafiedairman 3 ай бұрын
Nahh, let the market dictate value. Management needs to be held accountable if it doesn’t work out. No one needs a $40M Daniel Jones. There’s already league minimums, and team salary caps. Let the players get paid.
@seansnyder6421
@seansnyder6421 3 ай бұрын
Lmao it's called low ratings/views
@MichaelBarinque-Manahan
@MichaelBarinque-Manahan 3 ай бұрын
Only a handful of QB deserves 50+ Million. The rest is just base on being "their turn." As they say, don’t hate the player, hate the game...business.
@jakehalf4050
@jakehalf4050 3 ай бұрын
Why repeat a contract scenario like Russell Wilson. He just isn’t a 50mil a year guy.
@VROOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM
@VROOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM 3 ай бұрын
Bills fan here. PAY TUA!!
@jeanfourcade
@jeanfourcade 3 ай бұрын
😂
@JoshTito22
@JoshTito22 3 ай бұрын
Extend Allen!! So the Superbowl drought can continue PLEASE
@joec8942
@joec8942 3 ай бұрын
@@JoshTito22🤦‍♂️🤡
@werb24
@werb24 3 ай бұрын
@@JoshTito22 stupidest take ever. You dream of having Josh Allen as your QB. All but 1 or two teams in the league dream about having that dude aa their QB.
@daylanm66
@daylanm66 3 ай бұрын
@@JoshTito22literally every team except KC would take Allen lmao the 13 seconds game was on the D this past season was on Diggs and Tyler bass none of the playoff games was 100% on Allen it’s been his supporting cast that has let him down The bills have this #1 D that plays amazing in the regular season but then come playoff time they play like a mediocre Defense
@josephnoneofyourbeeswax8517
@josephnoneofyourbeeswax8517 3 ай бұрын
How do Tua's playoff numbers compare to Skyler's playoff numbers?
@thomashyink8866
@thomashyink8866 3 ай бұрын
They both lost.
@PFlow007
@PFlow007 3 ай бұрын
It's ridiculous seeing average quarterbacks like tua and dak get these ridiculous contracts because they've got great players around them... But if you're not a top 3 quarterback if you get paid that kind of money your team has 0 chance
@PA96704
@PA96704 3 ай бұрын
So no one else has good WR's on their teams? Hmm....
@luism8130
@luism8130 3 ай бұрын
He led the league in passing.... but ok.
@ZGh0st1422
@ZGh0st1422 3 ай бұрын
Devante Parker and jakeem grant are such amazing players 😂🤣😂🤣 recency bias going crazy in y’all’s heads
@quattrocity9620
@quattrocity9620 3 ай бұрын
Well they will probably pay Tua because they built the team around his strengths and he stayed healthy last year. Now he needs to show he can win when we really need it. (- Phins fan)
@thehalftimeshow
@thehalftimeshow 3 ай бұрын
Very surprised that owners are not fighting back on these QB contracts.
@waynetompkins3006
@waynetompkins3006 3 ай бұрын
Tua is in the tier with Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott and Jared Goff. Solid, but not elite.
@mightymitch1421
@mightymitch1421 3 ай бұрын
Tuas numbers aren't nearly as good as Kirk's or Daks. Goff level sure.
@iyaayas2010
@iyaayas2010 3 ай бұрын
​@@mightymitch1421you dropped your crack pipe, sir. Goff is the best QB in that group
@mightymitch1421
@mightymitch1421 3 ай бұрын
@@iyaayas2010 You think Goff is better than Kirk or Dak? That's fucking hilarious.
@fortshucker
@fortshucker 3 ай бұрын
@@mightymitch1421cousins playoff record is 1 and 4, Dak is 2 and 5. Goff is 5 and 4. You my man are fucking hilarious.
@555calex
@555calex 2 ай бұрын
@@mightymitch1421 ; No not as good but he just as effective or better in that style of offense...
@ralphrex9118
@ralphrex9118 3 ай бұрын
QB salary is an eerie parallel of capitalist society, give me more than I need and let my team suffer.
@JalapenoSteve
@JalapenoSteve 3 ай бұрын
Then play QB lol. The great thing about capitalism is it awards people who have skills other people don't. Wouldn't trade it for anything else.
@citizenx8710
@citizenx8710 3 ай бұрын
@@JalapenoSteve We don't actually live in a meritocracy. That is the lie.
@maxrobbins4835
@maxrobbins4835 3 ай бұрын
A scholar, I see
@MSgt_0699
@MSgt_0699 3 ай бұрын
@@JalapenoSteve Um, no. Capitalism, like any other economic system, needs to be regulated. The reason kids graduate college owing $170,000 is because people with skills are not "awarded." It's why the working class struggle to buy a house or budget for groceries. Capitalism is for the poor, socialism is for the rich. How many bail-outs and tax breaks do you receive? And do you realize that the working class pay more taxes for salary income than the top bracket?
@MSgt_0699
@MSgt_0699 3 ай бұрын
@@LouisWinthorpe3 My teenage girls used to like splashing emoticons all over the place too. They grew up though.
@obarbeito
@obarbeito 3 ай бұрын
Did Rich and Brock forget that besides the SB, Burrow was a drive away from a 2nd SB? Tua is not close to Burrow.
@jjames130xPS3xCOD
@jjames130xPS3xCOD 3 ай бұрын
Lol that was 3 years ago brother, Burrow is more injury prone than Tua
@xelim3171
@xelim3171 3 ай бұрын
Please pay Tua! From Jets fans all over.
@danielsantana7370
@danielsantana7370 3 ай бұрын
Tua 5-0 vs jets
@scruffd0g193
@scruffd0g193 3 ай бұрын
Tua is 5-0 vs the Jets.
@troyortiz2414
@troyortiz2414 3 ай бұрын
I don’t like Tua but why would Jets fans care one way or the other?
@dkgdkg2178
@dkgdkg2178 3 ай бұрын
AND BILLS fans!!
@aaronanders855
@aaronanders855 3 ай бұрын
Why Jets fans doing victory laps to a guy they haven’t beat since he got to the NFL lol 😂
@Floridaman1780_
@Floridaman1780_ 3 ай бұрын
It's not about proving anything for Tua but health. Why wouldn't he play out his rookie deal. There is NO BENEFIT for the team to sign him right now and guarantee him money when he's one bad hit away from being done. He's not even a year past contemplating retirement.
@ZGh0st1422
@ZGh0st1422 3 ай бұрын
1 and a half good years?? Tua took Miami from a losing team to 4 straight winning seasons, 2 of those years with a terrible coaching staff and mostly bums to play with. Why do people not acknowledge this?
@stewartbergman1812
@stewartbergman1812 2 ай бұрын
Never will be a Super Bowl contender, if you are happy knowing that sign him for whatever, 50 plus million.
@ZGh0st1422
@ZGh0st1422 2 ай бұрын
@@stewartbergman1812 best qbr 2022, led the league in yards 2023, but sure, pretend he’s the issue. People love to admit they dropped out of high school online
@WoodyWard
@WoodyWard 3 ай бұрын
He's no Jared Goff - I can tell you that.
@josephlawrence9584
@josephlawrence9584 3 ай бұрын
Jared would have been in superbowl with that offense miami has
@jd229
@jd229 3 ай бұрын
Active QBs would would lead the league in passing in Miami with mcdaniel, hill, waddle etc Mahames Allen Burrow Herbert Rodgers Lamar Kyler Purdy Cousins Hurts Dak Russ Goff Stroud Love Maybe geno Smith and Derek carr.
@ZGh0st1422
@ZGh0st1422 3 ай бұрын
If this is true, why didn’t hill have such amazing seasons with mahomes? Why did it take tua for hill to have back to back best career seasons? You can’t say it’s because mahomes had more people to throw to because Miami had Wilson, waddle, cracraft, smythe, Mostert, berrios, achane, just to name a few of the other options
@jamelwilliams1144
@jamelwilliams1144 3 ай бұрын
Wrong 😂😂😂😂
@John-Edward
@John-Edward 3 ай бұрын
It’s been 20+ years since the Dolphins 🐬 have had a QB as good or better than TUA! That was an old Dan Marino! Dan is in the building all the time now and Likes TUA! So TUA is getting paid! I personally would like to see something in the Pat Mahomes mid $40’s range! That gives the team way more room to continue to build and sustain the team in a competitive way!!
@anthonystone6031
@anthonystone6031 3 ай бұрын
I agree that he should get 40 million and then give him incentives when he can prove himself against winning teams and the playoffs 👍
@richardmartinez2910
@richardmartinez2910 3 ай бұрын
I like how the top 10 highest paid QB'S and only 1 has actually won the Superbowl.. how bout we devalue the salary cap
@roguebossa
@roguebossa 3 ай бұрын
4 of them sat last year out with injuries🙃
@anthonystone6031
@anthonystone6031 3 ай бұрын
Give him 40 million with incentive clauses…. Prove yourself against winning teams and playoffs 👍
@ChefDaveKingKong
@ChefDaveKingKong 2 ай бұрын
Tua and his agent turned down and incentives contract already.
@wtmodnar
@wtmodnar 3 ай бұрын
Rich got him good. Chris said Burrow is a little more proven than Tua by saying Burrow had 2 seasons at 4500+4600 and Tua had 1.5 seasons at 3500+4600. If he wanted to prove his point, he should not have used those numbers.
@gonzolo4
@gonzolo4 3 ай бұрын
Tua is the best QB in Miami since Marino. Pay him, because it was 20 years before you got this kind of production from the QB position.
@roguebossa
@roguebossa 3 ай бұрын
That's simply true, like it or not.
@Ballaholic17
@Ballaholic17 3 ай бұрын
Sorry, but if he can't win a division title or playoff game with the roster we've had around him these last 2 years, going on 3, and 5 years total, then why would paying him 50+ million be any better moving forward? Isn't the goal to beat the best teams and win a championship? If you can't do that while he's cheap and with a good roster, then why waste another 3-5 years trying to do it with a worse roster? Waddle, Philips and/or Holland are due big money, too. You can't settle for mediocrity by paying a qb that can't help you get over the hump just because you don't know who the next guy will be. The job of the GM is to bring a championship to Miami, not to just be competitive. Unfortunately, this is a salary cap league. If your qb is making 50+ million, then you can't build the same around him. If we can't even win this division, then why not try and get someone who can give us a shot while still being able to build a good team around him? The team will only get worse talent wise the next 3 years, not better. I'm all for letting this year play out to see if Tua can do it, but if we get the same results and he can't come up in big moments in a contract year, then when will he do it? I love the guy, but this is football related. He's a great face of the franchise and great person. I have nothing bad to say about him, he's a solid qb, just not 50+ million solid. That's my beef with Tua, it's the money and money only.
@JamesHavlin-ez4gw
@JamesHavlin-ez4gw 3 ай бұрын
Ok concussion Tua is not going anywhere you can’t even trade him…….
@BrettL250
@BrettL250 3 ай бұрын
You’re crazy. Miami has such a good team and the only thing they are missing is a quarterback. Tua is not that guy. As a bills fan I hope they keep him because he sucks. Tyreek Hill and waddle I’m afraid of. Tua no way.
@JamesHavlin-ez4gw
@JamesHavlin-ez4gw 3 ай бұрын
@@BrettL250 totally agree!
@thenhl1015
@thenhl1015 3 ай бұрын
if kyler and deshaun can get paid 46 mil than so can tua
@thomashyink8866
@thomashyink8866 3 ай бұрын
AMEN!
@bourbontrail565
@bourbontrail565 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for this topic caller. Let him play this year out because he’s under contract. Next Year if they pay him 300 or 400 million that contract will have voidable years and injury clauses so he’ll get 2 years out of that contract maybe 3 . With the chance that the Retirement Concussion messing everything up. Stay Healthy, Tua .
@edwardshaw1743
@edwardshaw1743 3 ай бұрын
As a Jets fan I want Tua to be the highest paid QB in NFL history
@kevingrandyify
@kevingrandyify 3 ай бұрын
Tua is 5-0 against the Jets
@edwardshaw1743
@edwardshaw1743 3 ай бұрын
@@kevingrandyify and yet the Jets have a more recent playoff win.
@thomashyink8866
@thomashyink8866 3 ай бұрын
A Jets fan talking smack. Classic!
@thomashyink8866
@thomashyink8866 3 ай бұрын
@@edwardshaw1743 And the Dolphins have a more recent SB win!
@edwardshaw1743
@edwardshaw1743 3 ай бұрын
@@thomashyink8866 Congrats on winning a Super Bowl during the Nixon administration 👴🏻
@PatrickTuriano
@PatrickTuriano 3 ай бұрын
Lamar only scored 3 more points than Tua against the same team, but he was at home, in significantly better conditions. Context matters and these people love to omit it.
@thomashyink8866
@thomashyink8866 3 ай бұрын
The MVP got bounced in the first round just like Tua.
@chrisconnor8086
@chrisconnor8086 3 ай бұрын
Hell no. Offer him 40 and if he turns it down and wants to walk away, let him go. hes benefitting from the system a majority of starting qbs in the league could put up similar numbers in miami. any given sunday he gets another concussion that ends his career. Go get someone with top 10 upside
@luism8130
@luism8130 3 ай бұрын
Every single player in the NFL is one hit away.
@glennwiech5083
@glennwiech5083 3 ай бұрын
Tua proved he's a franchise QB, and the cost for a franchise QB is $50M+. He's getting Goff money at least. All the Tua critics can cry about it.
@te2934
@te2934 3 ай бұрын
Lot of armchair GMs in this chat. None of you know anything. The market for QBs in the NFL is insane, it is what it is, period. QBs who are 6-12 ranked are going to be at least 40+ million. That is the market value, you gotta play to pay. I can tell none of y'all know anything about business. Tua is in the 6-9 range with a solid argument for being 5. Again it is what it is. If Miami let's him walk the same people saying "get rid of Tua" are going to be the same people complaining "Miami is so bad." Actually good QBs are hard to find, not running first QBs (Justin Fields) Pocket QBs are what you really need. Look at Lamar, great runner, not great in the pocket, hasn't made a super bowl. MVPs are cool but irrelevant. Lamar hasn't made a superbowl but you know who has? Actual pocket QBs like Goff, Burrow, and Purdy. Mahomes is an anomaly because there hasn't ever been a QB elite at both, maybe Steve Young is the closest. Tua is going to get his bag because 1. The market is the way it is and 2. Tua has substantially improved every single year. Led the league in a few major passing statistics. Tua is a better QB than 99.99999% of the population and in the NFL maybe 5 QBs are better. Cope harder clowns.
@lanehutchison9040
@lanehutchison9040 3 ай бұрын
The answer is YES!!! It doesn't matter if he is worth it or not. He is their QB and is closing his rookie deal. Either pay him, trade him or draft a replacement. 50 is the price it costs to have a franchise QB. I said this last year and will repeat it. If I was him, I would sit until I get my contract. Why risk any more injuries or concussions. His parents and agent should be telling him the same. No, I am NOT a Tua fan or Miami fan.
@dougstory2285
@dougstory2285 3 ай бұрын
Right on Rich, put him in his place, Tua is the Dolphins franchise QB, live with it, too bad if you don't like it!
@Gray_Bush
@Gray_Bush 3 ай бұрын
Anyone suggesting that Tua won't get $50M doesn't understand the market, or the salary cap. Nor do they understand Tua's value.
@elijahechicagobearsboyd5734
@elijahechicagobearsboyd5734 3 ай бұрын
I understand that it’s all capitalistic bullshit, and Tua isn’t even close to worthy of 50+ million per year…
@Gray_Bush
@Gray_Bush 3 ай бұрын
@@elijahechicagobearsboyd5734 😂 Sounds like you're going to be upset when he signs.
@scott7621
@scott7621 3 ай бұрын
As a Dolfan, Tua has proved he can pad his stats against bad teams, and underperform against good ones and in the playoffs. Lets be realistic here with Tua. Our third string QB did a better job against the Bills last year in the playoffs than Tua did this year. Tua is holding this offence back if anything. Put Allen, Rodgers. Mahomes or any actual top 5 QB on this team last year, their numbers would have dwarfed Tuas. Real talk 😮
@edoardovicario4837
@edoardovicario4837 3 ай бұрын
I'm big on Tua and I don't think he's a 50mil QB, but a solid 40. That being said, there's a tendency for Tua haters being the people with the least ball knowledge on TV
@edmoss7952
@edmoss7952 3 ай бұрын
If we can still legitimately have a debate this far in as to whether or not Tua (or any other player) has proven he's worth elite money that essentially means he hasn't. When you are genuinely worth that type of money there's nobody arguing about it.
@natej84
@natej84 3 ай бұрын
Lets compare them, Burrow vs Tua. Tua has played 1 more game. Burrow has a better completion percentage by 1%. He has 1,800 more total yrds and 20 more TDs. All while being sacked 50 more times. Now the playoffs, Burrow has 5 wins to Tua's 0. Burrow has a 16% better completion percentage and 1,700 more total yards and 9 more tds. This same thing happened to Lamar last offseason bc he got hurt and everyone wrote him off too
@werb24
@werb24 3 ай бұрын
Lamar wasn’t worth the money either. He will always implode in the playoffs bc he has an obvious and exploitable weakness that the good teams can exploit.
@Dabbers41234
@Dabbers41234 3 ай бұрын
@@werb24 Falls on the coach then. Every player is like that. Brady got destroyed anytime he faced a team with all a stall of amazing interior rushers. Eli still laughing how he got 2 rings thanks to D line play. The coach has to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses like bell dd w brady early in his career.
@christophermarks7110
@christophermarks7110 3 ай бұрын
Brady's probably not the best example of a team overcoming his weaknesses
@Dabbers41234
@Dabbers41234 3 ай бұрын
@@christophermarks7110 I mean every time they couldnt handle the interior rush they lost. Brady is the goat but he had amazing teams and coaches around him esp the first 3
@thomashyink8866
@thomashyink8866 3 ай бұрын
Actually Tua has played more games.
@hypnotq22
@hypnotq22 26 күн бұрын
Anyone here after Tua’s deal?
@SentreNet
@SentreNet 24 күн бұрын
Rich was right
@eastcoastghost420
@eastcoastghost420 3 ай бұрын
No... Let Skylar play if that's the case!!!
@davidstick9207
@davidstick9207 3 ай бұрын
None of these players are worth this. No ticket is worth hundreds. It is insanity run rampant
@jeanfourcade
@jeanfourcade 3 ай бұрын
Parallel worlds... grown men debating whether throwing balls around is "worth" 40 versus 50 mil/year. Utterly histerical.
@rzawistowski33
@rzawistowski33 3 ай бұрын
The full stadiums would say otherwise
@JohnDoe-kh6mt
@JohnDoe-kh6mt 3 ай бұрын
​@@jeanfourcadethe offseason is always like this..
@R17759
@R17759 3 ай бұрын
The NFL makes billions of dollars. And the players are the reason why. So they should get paid a lot.
@JEByrd
@JEByrd 3 ай бұрын
As a Dolphins fan, I have major reservations about giving Tua that amount of money. Injury history, lacks arms strength which limits certain throws and can't stand in the pocket to make a tough ones. He was literally contemplating retirement at the end of 22 season because of concussions. You commit to that amount of money for 4 years and he gets knocked out of the league - you are killing your future. Slippery slope.
@teebo3531
@teebo3531 3 ай бұрын
RECORD AS A STARTER -- (Burrow/29-22-1) (Herbert/30-32) (Tua/32-19) TUA IS ELITE, 2024 Passing Title, Least amount of time to throw and still dissecting the defenses give him A HEALTHY OLINE AND WATCH HIM GO. I dont undertsand the constant hate, dude says nothing to anybody and gets the most flak for it.
@jl4646
@jl4646 3 ай бұрын
not sure if Tua is worth 50mm a year for 5 years but he is def worth 200m + (non guarantee) long term contract. Tua is THE GUY
@michaelhelms2378
@michaelhelms2378 3 ай бұрын
You guys are supposed to be the experts and you’re saying that Tua is on par with Burrow? Are you kidding me???
@anthonyr8906
@anthonyr8906 3 ай бұрын
I think Tua wouldn't want to hurt the team to fill his pockets. I think it's gonna be a team friendly deal.
@Quay33
@Quay33 3 ай бұрын
HELL NO , TUA GOTTA PROVE IT 🐬🐬
@somectguy17
@somectguy17 3 ай бұрын
As a dolphin fan, no I don't think so, but the quarterback market is just too high now. It's either pay him a ton of money or one of the other QB hungry teams will pay him that much.
@lpadron13
@lpadron13 3 ай бұрын
Yes. He is worth it. As with EVERY quarterback he needs the right pieces to work with. No QB wins a game, much less a Super Bowl, without great talent at all the other positions.
@lorenzocasillas3850
@lorenzocasillas3850 3 ай бұрын
Besides following the recent Tik Tok trend and signing QB’s for $50M, there should be no reason why any of these QB’s should be even paid half of that.
@TheCephalon
@TheCephalon 3 ай бұрын
What is this man talking about. Burrow went to the superbowl. The next year he was in the afc championship game.
@bermudabengal
@bermudabengal 3 ай бұрын
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!
@thomashyink8866
@thomashyink8866 3 ай бұрын
Didn't win either one.
@donnafarmer111
@donnafarmer111 3 ай бұрын
Interesting how not one word about paying the QB who just took his team to the SB, and also took them to the NFC championship the year before in his rookie season. Extension is coming after this year, which will be his 3rd year.
@boscopeptide6244
@boscopeptide6244 3 ай бұрын
Yes, Tua has proved himself within the offense because the offense was specifically designed for him. BUT Tua has not proved himself a leader, and has not exhibited the fire to win. So Dolphins should wait till the end of this next season, let Tua prove himself to be a leader and winner before giving him a big contract. It will be a mistake for the Dolphins to commit $$$ now.
@jeanfourcade
@jeanfourcade 3 ай бұрын
Offering the highest contract won't turn a QB into a better one, let alone the best one. Those Tua-Dak-Cousins-Lawrence, or previously Russ-Watson-Murray conversations prove that the money paid out to QBs has nothing to do with their performance on the field. But exclusively with the commercial windfall the owners think they'll milk from the aura of their QB . No franchise goes bankrupt by failing to win SBs.
@austintaylor1378
@austintaylor1378 3 ай бұрын
They’re gonna sign him. Before camp. He’s worth 40-50. Do 4 years with a huge signing bonus that way you can move on after 2 years and not be killed in dead cap space. Survivable. I think next year they need to show that they have consistent success and Tua has done that so yea. Winning the Division alone would make his contract ironclad valid
@offtilt
@offtilt 3 ай бұрын
in my opinion the middle 3 of the 40 apy + tua can be plugged and played wherever, and we're probably talking the same results. kyler, deshaun, kirk, and tua are all the same caliber quarterback to me.
@jamessanders145
@jamessanders145 3 ай бұрын
Tua can be plugged in anywhere? The man neeeded a mad genius to come and tailor an entire offense to make him look good, he needed to get star WRs and elite offesive head coaching and he still can't beat teams with a winning record... good luck plugging him in anywhere
@jcmalo64
@jcmalo64 3 ай бұрын
I am sure there are a few teams out there willing to pay Tua $50 million. He has a winning record on all games with Miami (more wins than losses), he break records. Last year was his first chance to play in the playoffs and the Dolphins OL was playing with guys that that week they had to call out of retirement. Dolphins started losing their best players on their last 5 games.
@Yaboi-wu2ec
@Yaboi-wu2ec 3 ай бұрын
I’m going to say I doubt it by a lot
@andrewwilliams5487
@andrewwilliams5487 3 ай бұрын
You know football !!! Stated all facts
@vinnyconsolini488
@vinnyconsolini488 3 ай бұрын
As a Dolphins fan, I'm not basing our negotiations on what other teams paid their QBs. Almost all of those big money QB deals turned out to cripple those teams. Murray and Watson are great examples of why Tua should NOT get $45M+/yr
@JalapenoSteve
@JalapenoSteve 3 ай бұрын
He's going to put up more numbers than Rogers.
@BFree775
@BFree775 3 ай бұрын
Number don’t matter lol wins do ..
@ericstorm5285
@ericstorm5285 3 ай бұрын
Tua only led the NFL in passing last year. He was only top 5 in every important passing category. Has only had 4 straight winning seasons since entering the league and helped lead the team to back to back playoff appearances. All this while playing behind a poor O-Line since entering the league (last year due to injuries on the line). So ya I’m not sure he deserves to get paid. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@jjames130xPS3xCOD
@jjames130xPS3xCOD 3 ай бұрын
I'd say 45mil is fair 4-5 years 100m guaranteed, he's definitely better than Cousins, Murray, and Watson at this stage.
@VBshredder
@VBshredder 3 ай бұрын
Rich is right. We will know shortly
@carlosguvetis9347
@carlosguvetis9347 3 ай бұрын
No he's not worth $50M per year. He's worth $55M per year.
@kurtrogers9658
@kurtrogers9658 3 ай бұрын
As a Fins fan and one that likes Tua; Call it 45M APY and keep it moving. Both the team and Tua win with that
@legend1849
@legend1849 3 ай бұрын
That's the problem the team won't win
@kurtrogers9658
@kurtrogers9658 3 ай бұрын
@@legend1849 I think they can. The lack of depth on D last year and Tua not being available down the stretch two years ago got us. I think we've made steps in the right direction under McDaniels every year. Is Tua a top 5 QB; no but this is the most logical hope this team has given me in my 30 years as a fan. Extend him but don't reset the market is all I'm asking
@ownaronulteron3099
@ownaronulteron3099 3 ай бұрын
If Tua went to the Super Bowl, he would have earned as much le-way as Burrow. Cmon Rich...
@davidhogenmiller248
@davidhogenmiller248 3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, if you want to keep your quarterback you have to pay market rates. Maybe you can get away with 48-49 but probably not. QB's cost money. It's like the stock market. You can't make money with cash. You have to invest it in something. If they didn't like Tua they should've gone after Cousins or trade for picks and get someone this year. They didn't. So they will pay Tua.
@judithoberpaul509
@judithoberpaul509 3 ай бұрын
You say you can't make money with cash, you have to invest it. That's basically right. You have to invest it in a team and not the QB's role based on a dollar ranking. With some of them it seems to me like a modern-day human trafficking, the highest bidder gets the goods.
@user-ym2ve7be8l
@user-ym2ve7be8l 3 ай бұрын
Yes, I want to see a 5th year "prove it" for Tua.
@ATXFootball2112
@ATXFootball2112 3 ай бұрын
So sick of this Deshaun talk. He went off against the titans with a broken shoulder, went off against the cardinals, and went off against the Ravens in Baltimore. Was 4-1 as a starter last year. None of these media guys actually watch the Browns
@ngc-fo5te
@ngc-fo5te 3 ай бұрын
He didn't look good.
@dolfanfinatic
@dolfanfinatic 3 ай бұрын
No other team would sign Tua for that amount...
@jamelwilliams1144
@jamelwilliams1144 3 ай бұрын
Based on the QB market, Tua will get 52 plus million. That's just how the market works!
@aidana4033
@aidana4033 3 ай бұрын
The guy's played in 1 playoff game and lost to the B2B SB Champs in their building in below freezing weather. If Daniel Jones is making 40 then 50 for Tua isn't unreasonable. The market dictates the price
@vladdelto7491
@vladdelto7491 3 ай бұрын
No team would pay TUA 45+ millions If the dolphins let him test the free market. He is a good QB but need to be surrounded by really good to elite players and he has shown that he is not capable of winning against playoffs teams.
@benoitwaffle5439
@benoitwaffle5439 3 ай бұрын
All things can be true. Multiple teams would absolutely offer him more than $50million per, he needs great players around him, and his body of work is not great against playoff teams. Bad QB play gets coaches and GMs fired. If a team can get one without emptying the draft pick arsenal, they will be willing to pay what it takes figuring they can make up the cost by hitting on draft picks and cheap second chance players elsewhere.
@jeanfourcade
@jeanfourcade 3 ай бұрын
If salaries were based on performance, Tua's contract should be below Mayfield's. But so should the contracts of many other star QBs... starting with Herbert, followed by Cousins, Murray, DS Watson...
@TheMattTrakker
@TheMattTrakker 3 ай бұрын
@@benoitwaffle5439 If other teams are giving Tua 50/yr, the guarantee is going to be really small. Dude is meh and has an injury history. That's not the type of player you should line up to sign.
@benoitwaffle5439
@benoitwaffle5439 3 ай бұрын
@@TheMattTrakker His guarantee is going to be two-to-three years like they all tend to be depending one whether it is a four or five year deal. Tua isn't a perfect QB, but he is either going to get the Goff contract this offseason or Goff+ whatever the cap increase amounts to next.
@MAFIACAPO1015
@MAFIACAPO1015 3 ай бұрын
No Quarterback outside of Mahomes is worth 50 million a year but that is what the market is se at for a starting top 10 QB
@The_Dude_1
@The_Dude_1 3 ай бұрын
As a bills fan, pay Tua $60m a year, pleasssssssssssssssssssse
@josephlaregina126
@josephlaregina126 3 ай бұрын
As a phins fan give him like 45 million and ill be happy. Use the facts that we can keep paying guys like waddle or tyreek. Also no state income tax.
@joevasconcelos3409
@joevasconcelos3409 3 ай бұрын
This is what will define tuas career. He has to know he is not on burrow, Herbert and Jackson’s level. Leave some cap room to keep his stats high
@kmshark12
@kmshark12 3 ай бұрын
I really don't get it... PAY HIM NOW, $50 Mil is a DEAL - otherwise at the end of the year he's going to be $60+ Mil/year... a QB that starts his career 6-3, 7-5, 8-5, 11-6 - improving DRAMATICALLY in year 3 with a rookie coach that believes in him but suffers concussions or he likely wins awards and playoff game if they let him play.. then in his 4th yr he leads the league in passing yds, top 3 in completion percentage, etc.. Now he's fully healthy from the hip injury and over the anomalous concussion year - he's going to start DESTROYING the league in the 3rd year of McDaniel's system and a good defense. If the O-line and other offensive players improve (as all units in the 3rd yr of a system do) - and Tua can now get 2.7 to 2.8 seconds to throw... and a REAL 3rd WR threat in OBJ and a REAL TE threat in Smith - he's going to lead the league again but have much fewer INTs and fumbles (bad center play resulted in 10 of the fumbles attributed to Tua). He's going to lead the league in passer rating and QBR. PAY HIM NOW!!!
@lonnieswag100
@lonnieswag100 2 ай бұрын
"I wouldn't have given Joe Burrow all that money either"... bro WHAT? lmaooooo he would be fired as the GM immediately
@jarred9317
@jarred9317 3 ай бұрын
His numbers over the last two years have him as a top 5 qb. Combine that with the fact that there are roughly zero other QBs that can run the miami offense as currently built. He's getting the bag. What even is the question?
@troyortiz2414
@troyortiz2414 3 ай бұрын
What’s his record against playoff teams? Last 3 games did he elevate his game to victories against elite competition? Where would you rank him in the AFC quarterback hierarchy? How does he play in cold weather?
@Brissan1
@Brissan1 3 ай бұрын
Anyone would be a top 5 QB with that offense 🤣
@jd229
@jd229 3 ай бұрын
Zero qbs that can throw slants to tyrek hill and jalen waddle? That's hilarious. Shanahan systems notoriously can use almost any QB. Brock purdy would run it great. Joe burrow or josh allen would win a SB in 5 mins.
@dkgdkg2178
@dkgdkg2178 3 ай бұрын
He is barely a game manager. Who does he remind you of in big games???? I'll give you the answer: Dak! Not worth it.
@jd229
@jd229 3 ай бұрын
@@troyortiz2414 1 win against the playoff fraud cowboys. No he threw away the division on a bad interception. He can't play in cold weather at all.
@Quickfeet3
@Quickfeet3 3 ай бұрын
My dawg Rich! You tell em
@21Arrowheads
@21Arrowheads 3 ай бұрын
The answer is no, but Goff isn't worth that either. The inflation of all QB contracts is forcing above average QBs to get paid like elite ones
@closer2theheart684
@closer2theheart684 3 ай бұрын
Might as well give it to him. Who else you gonna get?
@romeconner3053
@romeconner3053 3 ай бұрын
He led the league in passing and accuracy.. more wins than losses any other QB this wouldn’t be a conversation!! Pay the man
@natej84
@natej84 3 ай бұрын
Burrow has a better completion percentage, 1,800yrds and 20td more than tua in the same number of games. Tua is good but paying him 50+million a year will destroy the dolphins team
@The_Dude_1
@The_Dude_1 3 ай бұрын
The fun thing with stats and percentages is that they hide the truth really well. Be honest, what was his record last year against teams with a record better than .500? Not worth more than 42/yr.
@Affordableshoereview
@Affordableshoereview 3 ай бұрын
How does one lead the league in accuracy? Completion percentage?
@romeconner3053
@romeconner3053 3 ай бұрын
Burrow was injured we are talking in a complete season stop acting like u guys didn’t see him put up completion stats and yards that would’ve gotten any other quarterback payed.. the convo was not was he a good qb at first it was can he stay healthy.. he did that and now it’s is he good enough to get payed.. let’s not do this lol
@natej84
@natej84 3 ай бұрын
@@romeconner3053 you know Burrow has the best completion percentage in NFL history right now right? Brees is number 2 right behind him. Burrow has played one less game than Tua and has 20 more td and almost 2k more yards. Tua is ok but he ain't worth top 3 QB money. I'm not even sure if tua is a top 10 QB. Also Burrow has played 60 games in the NFL and only missed 14. He's been sacked 150 times and honestly it's kinda crazy he hasn't missed more games getting beat up that much
@azanocegrog748
@azanocegrog748 3 ай бұрын
As a Bills fan, please keep Tua in Miami, and pay him a lot. Makes it so much easier to win the East
@thomashyink8866
@thomashyink8866 3 ай бұрын
Win the East and nothing else.
@Milesrk717
@Milesrk717 3 ай бұрын
As a dolphins fan myself, Tua hasn’t proven anything. Doesn’t deserve 50 plus million
@springvalley50
@springvalley50 3 ай бұрын
If you don’t pay Tua who’s replacing him
@christopher4100
@christopher4100 3 ай бұрын
Being a Dolphins fan since 1980 I would totally disagree with Ritchie boy.
@victorcarrero4187
@victorcarrero4187 3 ай бұрын
Rich is right
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