SECRETS From The Lost Tribe of Barefoot Runners: Christopher McDougall & Eric Orton

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'Born To Run' author Christopher McDougall + coach Eric Orton join Rich to talk about the principles and practices that build a lifelong love affair with running. To read more, and peruse the full show notes, go here👉🏾bit.ly/richroll722
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00:00:00 - Intro
00:02:20 - Catching Up with Chris McDougall
00:10:10 - Micah True, The Central Figure of Born to Run
00:24:51 - Lesson from Micah, Turning Running into a Lifestyle
00:26:48 - “Dark Nights of the Soul” Rich and Chris’s Journeys through Writing
00:31:17 - Suffering to Joy
00:33:15 - Born to Run was Not an Overnight Success
00:37:44 - Writing a Sequel to Born to Run
00:41:25 - Ad Break
00:42:55 - Working with Eric to Write B2R2, Learning to Run Easy
00:51:56 - Minimal vs Maximal Running Shoes
01:01:37 - Injuries Could be an Indication to Get Back to First Principles
01:07:27 - Gaining Running Speed, 180 Cadence
01:13:39 - Feeling Music While Running
01:19:03 - Zone 2 Training
01:30:15 - Barefoot Ted sub-24 hour Leadville
01:33:25 - Barefoot-Brain Connection
01:35:14 - Fitness, Family, Fun
01:40:59 - Leg Stiffness Exercises
01:43:36 - Training Advice for Running
01:49:27 - Chris’ Swimrun Adventures
01:54:12 - Eric’s Foot/Core Exercises
01:59:13 - Closing
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@BornToRunCoach Жыл бұрын

Thanks Rich for having us on, that was a blast!!

@laurarichardson4165 Жыл бұрын

Loooooooove the first, already started the BTR2, thank you!!!! Going to start these exercises TODAY!!

@adams13f Жыл бұрын

I've read born to run and about to read the second I've watched the documentary and Ted talk absolutely the best thing I could have done it has changed my life!!! Some great guys i hope to one day meet.

@erauqscme Жыл бұрын

@Ryan Adams Thanks to the book, Born to Run, I started Barefoot Run Training since 2013 up to now. Since then I've never returned to the small shoes-coffins 🏃‍♂️. And how about your own experience?

@adams13f Жыл бұрын

@@erauqscme starting with barefoot shoes and im going to slowly transition to being barefoot completely. I will take all measurements and document my findings.

@dineosibiya2123 Жыл бұрын

Slowly getting addictide to run, thank you

@luzaguirre2830 11 ай бұрын

i'm tarahumara (my great grandmother was from the tribe)...45 years old now & not knowing anything about my heritage most my life i have been so happy to learn so much about them in recent years & pretty neat that my interest in fitness, especially running developed independently & prior to learning about them..Far Out!!

@robertgallagher2226 Жыл бұрын

I have read Born to Run about 5 times. A genuinely life changing book for me.

@dbo4506 Жыл бұрын

Can you elaborate on what about the book changed your life.?

@mayploy6869 Жыл бұрын

same! and i bought it twice!

@kennethkernen7031 Жыл бұрын

I read it every year. A reminder that every run is a gift.

@nicholaskoenig3106 Жыл бұрын

Me too! Read it (against my will) and ran 7.5 trail miles the next day! Never ran before that. Immediately needed to run 100 miles. Took 3 months and ran 50 miles, then my 1st 100 6months later. Bought several copies and passed them around or gave away. Life changer indeed.

@rickjurgens7544 Жыл бұрын

2 of my favorite books in any category.

@SendingStache Жыл бұрын

i first read born to run during a real low point in my life, struggling heavily with sobriety - this book was a catalyst for me to start implementing movement into my life and my recovery and there was no looking back from there. I'm grateful to have celebrated 13 years just two days ago. I reread the book each time i feel like i need to...my head and heart just know when it's time for another read. it never fails to teach me something new and uplift me. thank you thank you thank you thank you. i appreciate all of you so much, including rich for creating such incredible conversations with such amazing people.

@erauqscme Жыл бұрын

@Karan Bhatia Thanks to the book, Born to Run, I started Barefoot Run Training since 2013 up to now. Since then I've never returned to the small shoes-coffins 🏃‍♂️. And when I knew that you'd read the book again & again, it inspire / encourage me to do so, so as to get more insight into the precious running principles.

@TheRealJohnMadden Жыл бұрын

I'm so happy that you found the strength from the book to battle such a nasty disease. Congratulations on 13 years, that's such an amazing achievement! I'm proud of you!

@peternichols8300 Жыл бұрын

😢😢

@keneticchannel Жыл бұрын

I like how much Christopher was asking Rick about his experiences. It's nice to see an episode more like a conversation and than just one-sided questions.

@julianmusicable Жыл бұрын

i LOVE the idea of running for joy and not for reasons of self-improvement or to be even better at a job

@mariaavinafranco8046 Жыл бұрын

So true. Finding the pleasure on the run is amazing. I had my first 50k last August, it was hard but the admiration I had for what my body was able to do and the joy I found fron nature and watching the amazing fast runners go by was incredible. Im not fast, but my soul is strong.

@erauqscme Жыл бұрын

@Maria Avina Franco Thanks to the book, Born to Run, I started Barefoot Run Training since 2013 up to now. Since then I've never returned to the small shoes-coffins 🏃‍♂️. And when I knew that you'd read the book again & again, it inspire / encourage me to do so, so as to get more insight into the precious running principles.

@justinwaldrip7729 Жыл бұрын

Thank you to everyone who helped make this episode of the podcast possible! This was a fantastic episode! This has reinvigorated my passion for adventure. ✌️🌱

@cebukid70 Жыл бұрын

I started running in 2012 at age 42 and read Born to Run early 2013...I was so fortunate to ",correct" my running form and strengthen my feet very early in my running career

@HzlEyeGal Жыл бұрын

Would love a series of runners in their 60's and 70's still out there--with all the challenges and thrills it brings. Nobody looks at the average runners that have kept it up all of their lives. The ones Malcolm referred to in your podcast.

@keneticchannel 6 ай бұрын

Check out "Older Yet Faster: The Secret to Running Faster and Injury-Free" by Keith Bateman and Heidi Jones. I reviewed it on my channel and I think it's probably the best $30 a runner can spend.

@The_Outliers Жыл бұрын

My top two most influential books. Born to run taught me how to run without so many injuries. Last year I decided to take a break from trail running to try a few triathlons and race my first Ironman so naturally I had to re-read “Finding Ultra”. Love all your guys work. Thank you very much!

@davidwellner4191 Жыл бұрын

It’s amazing how everyone forgets about Dr.George Sheheen started the running craze and was on the tonight show with Johnny Carson talking running

@TheRealFourinhand Жыл бұрын

Amazing!! Can't wait to watch this!! Thank you 🙏🏻🌱

@williamkelly1519 Жыл бұрын

Excellent Rich. I have read Born to Run several times. McDougall is an excellent writer and can articulate very well and holds your attention. I have the absolute joy of running. 43 years now non stop w/maybe a day off a month. Never had an injury. It is absolute bliss for me no more races or marathons (after a sub 3) just me and the road.

@pduronhamiltonarch Жыл бұрын

Love that concept at 31:26 about how improvement through running suffering is long term "unsustainable" and that seeking the joy in it is a better approach

@nicholaskoenig3106 Жыл бұрын

Listened to this on Spotify and immediately started aending it out to all my runner buddy's. The flame has been reignited!! ThankYou!!

@billeva8457 Жыл бұрын

The year I started running in 2017 I somehow found copies of both Born to Run and Finding Ultra. They equally changed my life.

@kvk1 Ай бұрын

Just finished the book and wanted to come back to this episode and impart my thanks. Aside from being a joy to read, it's truly a perspective-shifting piece of work. Here's to running.

@mariannewolf57 Жыл бұрын

This is going to be great! Big fan of Christopher McDougall! Thanks RichRoll for this one!

@TheRealJohnMadden Жыл бұрын

What timing! I just bought Born to Run as well as Born to Run 2 and had no clue this podcast existed. Absolutely amazing books and inspiring interview.

@prbr7095 Жыл бұрын

A GREAT interview with all three of you! Thanks!

@alantay9409 Жыл бұрын

Awesome amount of info. Ordered Born To Run 2. Looking forward to run faster and stronger injury free! Thank you very much for sharing.

@aaronsnethen1523 Жыл бұрын

Born to Run changed my life. Brought more pleasure and meaning to my running. Great episode.

@dbo4506 Жыл бұрын

Curious… what in your life changed after reading this book?

@elberthiggins6667 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video. I lost my running mojo decades ago but not my hope of running again. My biggest lifetime running mistake was to read, study and try to "improve." I got into racing and PR'S and of course burned out. If my one and only criteria for training had been the "joy" feedback loop I would still be at it.

@michaelayerst9965 Жыл бұрын

I have Loved your podcasts for a while(463 Tony Riddle) I have been plant based on and off for about 7 years, listening to helps keep that way. I am 58 years young and a martial artist and swore I would never run - sighting what doctors have told me and for the fact that I find no joy in it. After listening to the pod today while at the gym, I turned up the speed on the treadmill and found myself seeing if I could do it. Now I am looking forward to reading Born to Run 2 and seeing if I can find my Joy in running(I currently walk 12-20 miles a week) Thank you for all you do, you do truly inspire me as do most of your guests. MA

@rapajaro Жыл бұрын

Chris, your book resonated with my feelings that we are so deviated by what we should be. Barefoot mimicking running has been one of the first changes I've implemented in my life. Still learning and getting closer to the wildest and healthiest version of myself. Thank you

@erauqscme Жыл бұрын

@ Ramon Thanks to the book, Born to Run, I started Barefoot Run Training since 2013 up to now. Since then I've never returned to the small shoes-coffins 🏃‍♂️. And starting from last Autumn, I started Barefoot Walk & Barefoot Farmer Walk(20kg × 2).

@chrisgallagher8882 Жыл бұрын

Running With Sherman is a must read! More great storytelling from Chris

@bethwolnyleadership Жыл бұрын

Born to Run started it all for me as well!!!!! Not until 2015. But I loved it!!!

@ruthannlewis6471 Жыл бұрын

oh my gosh im back lol back for the third time i have watched this podcast twice its one of my favorites!!! love you rich😍

@runjamesrun Жыл бұрын

Fantastic conversation - thanks so much for sharing

@cliffordstanger8960 Жыл бұрын

I haven't read this book. But man ive gone minimalist and use my Luna sandals the most. Feels so much better, no more injuries. Totally was against minimalist, and all about Hoka, Hoka no more. Never ever would have thought.

@aaronkindall7487 Жыл бұрын

Phenomenal book - Finished it about 2.5 months ago. Changes the game...about to read it again and stoked for Born to Run 2

@barbbrazes869 Жыл бұрын

Interesting and entertaining!! Looking forward to getting the book!!

@chrisandrewsruns Жыл бұрын

Dialed in on this one. Peace ☮️ Love ❤️ BORN TO RUN 🏃‍♀️

@jasonwetherford6103 Жыл бұрын

Two bangers in one week? Thanks Rich!

@FlatToRentUK Жыл бұрын

As a big guy I was always reticent about running until I watched another KZfaqr called Mark Lewis. He's very tall too as well as pretty heavy but mentioned Born To Run and changes to his running style which prevented injury. I read it, bought some zero drop shoes and am really enjoying doing 15-20k per week. Now thinking about a goal for this year beyond Parkrun. I've been watching a lot of fitness videos and one of them is a Ted talk by a cardiologist called James O'Keefe. He's hugely positive about the benefits of exercise but warns about ultrarunning. The video is "Run for your life. But at a comfortable pace and not too far". Basically there seems to be a sweet spot for volume of exercise before it can introduce risks to health. I don't think my limited running puts me in danger but worth watching.

@alanrobertson3172 Жыл бұрын

Christopher is a great storyteller.

@rodriquez01 Жыл бұрын

Bought the new book , can t wait , you guys are awesomeeee

@oregonwoodelf Жыл бұрын

This book inspired me to go zero drop several years ago and my running/recovery has steadily improved ever since. Additionally, I've recommended shoes like Altras and some Topos (zero drop) to many friends and they have all had positive feedback from the change. It works!✌🌱

@TirnanHealy Жыл бұрын

What’s your favourite altra shoe?

@cliffordstanger8960 Жыл бұрын

Mine is escalante and lone peaks. Thinner mm altras

@maverickcorner Жыл бұрын

Read and loved the first book, will get the second one.Entire interview had lot of useful information but what resonated with me the most wa's the leg stiffness and balance as we age.

@ricardoardiano1550 10 ай бұрын

Switched to vibrams / Luna sandals after B2R about 8 yrs ago… well worth it, but very slowly built it up and now wouldn’t go anywhere near cushioning - great episode

@gainde1137 6 күн бұрын

How often and how far you ran per week barefoot/minimalist shoes?

@crowdofdissidents155 Жыл бұрын

How does a video on a channel with 840 K subs have only 130 likes? Come on people

@JasonHollis-hg6vg 2 ай бұрын

That's because it's a 2-hour video! Taking me a week to watch it! It is great though!

@benestarcoaching Жыл бұрын

Epic. Thank you all!

@bikerdude6119 Жыл бұрын

I went skipping up topanga canyon mountains today lol with a smile on my face and awesome recovery

@kazaakas Жыл бұрын

Intro had me floored!

@lesworks Жыл бұрын

That book changed my life🥰

@henritoivar18 Жыл бұрын

Hey Rich. Great talk! Would really love to see the exercises they did on you. I have EXACTLY the same symptoms: pain develops from hip down and glute becomes numb. Looking forward to seeing more content regarding physical therapy. Thanks a lot!

@gastonmarin2107 7 ай бұрын

Same here! Id Love to see how is comming for you Rick. 💪🏼

@dineosibiya2123 Жыл бұрын

love that create the joy in running l certainly agree, l am slowly getting addicted. Thank you

@colinmacdonald8738 Жыл бұрын

Rich I had your same symptoms and I tried everything to no avail. I was in Calgary in 1991 to look after my mom. I was out cruising on my bike in my old neighbourhood and came across a tai chi parlour on 24 st. I joined and during an spinal rotation exercise session felt a click (good) release finished the session. In a month the pain was gone in a year the sciatica and numbness were gone. I had a pinched nerve avoided surgery and now at 81 have no back issues. I have a woodlot and throw around wood. My gym. Had my first COVID work out yesterday at CRUNCH fitness - no pain Practise Taoist tai chi RICH exercises to release pain.

@Mookiethedog Жыл бұрын

Yo Rich this was a masterpiece.

@randygravel2057 Жыл бұрын

That dude reminds me of Bill Walton (The way he talks)

@omarapis Жыл бұрын

Amazing episode… thank you for sharing all that information with us… 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷

@terciosantana4697 Жыл бұрын

i balanced on my forefoot while listening to the pod and it's craaaazy! :O awesome exchange, guys! loved it!

@aidandpolonsky Жыл бұрын

It’s crazy. I’ve been getting into the Ultra lifestyle for the last month or so, and coincidentally, all this amazing new information is coming out at the same time. Gotta love life. Time to go memorize rock lobster.

@jamesgardner1090 Жыл бұрын

Hugely exciting

@harvestrootsferments4503 Жыл бұрын

Amazing guys.

@TiberiuStandUp 10 ай бұрын

Eric Orton is the best coach I ever followed. May be the best in the world. He really knows what works and pays so much attention; he's truly dedicated. Don't know the other guy :)) Everybody talks about their books, I have to get the books now.

@andersravn358 Жыл бұрын

Please, please, please do an uncut video of the one on one training you got with Eric.

@winiwillow4134 7 ай бұрын

I found this book in a 2nd hand store i picked it up for NZ$2. I will read again no doubt, I am so inspired to get running

@skiziskin 7 ай бұрын

My PT in Boulder was a good friend of Micah's. She would tell me stories about him while working on me. A wonderful man. RIP. Retired and living in Japan now, I'm struggling with an autoimmune attack on my right achilles insertion and can't run. It's a bummer but I still hope to get back again.

@todd92371 Жыл бұрын

I have one question and want to thank you for this amazing interview. I use barefoot training often on the soft grass and other more mild areas. But, there is all the discussion about utilizing our bare feet on harder surfaces and for long distances. But, the Tarahumara run in sandals. I've never understood the barefoot connection in this context. A zero-drop shoe or a running sandal more closely mimics their natural running tools. And I think barefoot is an AMAZING training tool. But, I don't ever foresee myself going for a long run without protection. Just like the Tarahumara utilize.

@shartmann2008 Жыл бұрын

Love love love...

@nickramey5733 Жыл бұрын

Hey Rich, if you haven't check out The egosque method, and Pete Egosques book Pain Free you should. I had my first slipped disk at 21 and Egosque saved me! Amazing stuff if you are not aware of it!! Egosque started the Functional Fitness Movement!

@franciscaortiz7972 Жыл бұрын

Amazing interview!! Love from Chile 🌈

@magnusengelmark 11 ай бұрын

Cool to hear you’ve done Ö till Ö in Stockholm, Sweden 🤩🤙🏻🙌 I’ve heard it’s a really tough one 😅

@leocriscuola Жыл бұрын

Boom ordered!

@tayloranderson456 Жыл бұрын

Rich, a) thanks for being good plant based advocate b) regarding your back pain have you ever tried just sitting on the floor? Maybe a new interview format? Check out strengthside channel c) if that is helpful for you, it’s kind of an interesting minimal or back to basics corollary kinda like the Tarahumara/barefoot stuff

@ThePlantPoweredRunner Жыл бұрын

This should be very good👍

@Osvaldo4885 Жыл бұрын

How can one maintain 180bpm while at the same time train in zone 2? Great session ❤. Grateful for this meeting finally happening.

@khanalberts7417 7 ай бұрын

They meant using a song that’s rhythms is 180 beats per minute, so your cadence when running can try match it with 180 steps per minute

@oriongemini5663 Жыл бұрын

I loved Born to Run. But, Running with Sherman is one of my favorite books of all time.

@keneticchannel Жыл бұрын

My wife saw me reading that and just said, "There answer is no." "What?" "We're not getting a donkey." 😆

@ThaGoblin 2 ай бұрын

born to run fixed my running technique in one sentence.

@timothyobrien4785 Жыл бұрын

Big fan of B2R and Rich Roll. However, I do disagree with that point at like 52 or 53 minutes where Chris mentions that elite marathons wear minimalist footwear during big races. I think that is not true. Pretty much all the elite marathoners are wearing Nike or Adidas or some other big brand's distance running sneaker, which are not minimalist.

@djcat64 Жыл бұрын

Has anyone made a list of songs that match that magical 180 Rock Lobster beat?

@mathews0618 Жыл бұрын

Rich, do you have an avoidant attachment style?

@matthewlagerlow7130 Жыл бұрын

That back hip issue will be the feet! Learn to push through them correctly walking properly especially barefoot pushing through them forefoot forward that is the brain linkage to turn your glutes on it’s what talks to them

@user-xr7zh6mc5y Жыл бұрын

Hi Rich, Is there a video on the drills you guys did?

@zafarchoriev4746 11 ай бұрын

Shoutout to “Run For Chinatown” 🙌

@davidlundy9142 Жыл бұрын

Can anyone tell me what pants rich is wearing in this video?

@Seby-biketrial Жыл бұрын

very good information !!! wow! GOLD! i will also get the book and train more for speed. I thought as Rich did that since i run long miles i will train for speed very very little. The ideas about run for joy not for pain did massage my soul because i have been training this way but i was still feeling bad from time to time when some intense dude made fun of my style and said no pain no gain, you are a pussy, you just have fun you do not train hard. Now i am certain JOY is the key not pain. One very important thing i gain (notice) from training with joy, pleasure was I DID NOT GET INJURED. while I improved my finish times constantly. Also another important result from RUN for JOY, i remember in my longest race when my knees start hurting, i thought i would not finish the race so I let my creativity guide me. I remembered when I was a child and RUN for JOY !! not for time, not for race but all the time I ran for FUN (we played a game or something) I did not have knee pain. So as i remembered that state of FUN, i had NO MORE KNEE PAIN until the finish of the race.

@HushemFlupskluk Жыл бұрын

Back pain do swan stretching.

@justcotchin1539 10 ай бұрын

Am loving born to run 2 but have a burning question. If modern running shoes with tech are bad for you and ultimately slower than minimal shoes, why do the elites use them? Aren’t the alpha flys a big part of kipchoges recent records? Struggling to reconcile the fact that the top athletes do all use carbon shoes, with the assertions in the book.

@barbararussell897 Жыл бұрын

Running barefoot, as in Life, look for the smooth places to step

@Nayz13 2 ай бұрын

Having to have a swim run buddy alienates us introverted folk. Otherwise a great chat.

@nicholaskoenig3106 Жыл бұрын

Running must be painful for the heel-crasher!

@gabrielvaldez8223 Жыл бұрын

Flea is a runner!

@herbertbay Жыл бұрын

Great Podcast. Short question, if you're having an enormous CO2 tolerance and don't need that much oxygen, so you can still hold a conversation at a quite high heart rate, are you still in zone 2?

@nolanleedix Жыл бұрын

Altra escalante is too narrow for my feet I prefer the Topo Athletic Magnify 3

@dannymeske3821 4 ай бұрын

There are no slipped disks! There are compressed disks

@gainde1137 6 күн бұрын

What's Roll's opinion on barefoot running?

@bendigeidfranemmanueljones5694 Жыл бұрын

Are they still lost then?

@asbjrnhansen8477 Жыл бұрын

forefood walking backpain relieaf , propaply no biking!

@justapedn1 Жыл бұрын

Muscle memory = myelin circuit creation. The Talent Code.

@keneticchannel 6 ай бұрын

I hate to be that guy because I love everything about this video/book/host/authors, etc. but...this title...the Raramuri don't run barefoot. I don't think I've ever heard of them doing so.