I love Steeplechase, but sadly unable to ride now due to age 😞 I can no longer get my "leg over!!" 🤣

I think for a coaster as unique as the Grand National, it needs a retrack. But absolutely agree that some other rides should be considered for removal rather than a retrack. But yes, like you Scott, I'd be happy if they closed the Nash for a prolonged amount of time to spend some quality time and money on it to bring it back up to standard.

I’m definitely team Mike on steeplechase, I love it. I’m a RCT2er and loved seeing the ride in real life, its unique and great fun when all three tracks are open and theres three of you racing. Couldnt pleasure beach build something over the top? They’re a creative bunch.

Would like to see River Caves get a new facade with the waterfall working and theming back. Possibly if they were to remove Steeplechase, a MACK powered coaster similar to Max and Moritz could work really well. I'd like to see Impossible be removed and the Beach Amusements building turned into a new ticket and guest services area a new Intamin Drop Tower would be lovely in FY4 too. Great video. Love the good old off season discussions!

Some interesting opinions guys. Totally agree with getting GG in to do their thing on Big Dipper. As much as I love Steeplechase for its uniqueness....I really wouldn't miss it! 👍

You two beautiful people both inside & out, I'd love to see you running the country.

If you make it round on steeplechase without getting a slipped disc or snapped vertebrae you're doing well

If Steeplechase goes, bin the Red Arrows as well and you'd have a big chunk of land for something decent.

National was always my favourite coater at BPB, however I went on Saturday and it was awful! Really painful, I will not be re-riding again unless something happens…

Always a great discussion as to what views many people will have on rides. Nash full retrack & trains a must. Steeplechase for me is remove & replace with perhaps new Vekoma coaster whether it be something like Lech as it's not too big a footprint or being adventurous and look into the flying coaster. Other ride(s) I would also consider changing would be red force out, possibly intemin drop tower instead & making ice blast unnecessary & make way for gyroswing.

Steeple chase is ok but i aggree im 50 now and find it hand to put my leg over the horse ide also change how it stops suddenly and throws u foward i always lean foward anyways so i dont get jerked but its not a bad ride nor is it a brulliant ride and i do think if they removed it comletly theres a lot of land to put a amazing ride in its place.

I lv the grandnational but it is rough so i wouls say rwtrack and deffo new trains with more thicker padding.

👏🏼 seat 👏🏼 backs 👏🏼 I could listen to you two debate all day long 😂

Super vid again. Retrack the National, modernise the caves, get more boats with backrests on and I agree I don't know how Steeplechase is allowed to be open still. However, I love Steeplechase as it's such a personal experience. The Pleasure Beach Express needs interactive dinosaurs around the track like they have at Blackpool Zoo.

8 trains on the national? That’s surely a world record for most long trains on a single Coaster circuit, or at least wooden coasters

If they update the dinosaurs part of River Caves, I hope they keep the Lost World 1925 sort of feel to it. And definitely not a Garfield makeover like Kennywood did with there’s 😳

I really like these long discussions. is blackpool pleasure beach in the big city? i'm not very familiar with the UK and its cities

Interesting, just can't please everyone, and changing as it might offend, for me isn't a reason, changes must be to improve rides and enjoyment only, if it saves on operating costs it's a bonus. I do though agree with you about GN, the boats on Rivercaves and Steeplechase does need to run its last race

Grand National is not an indispensable ride and thus should not be listed. That said, I wouldn't mind it not running for a season for it to be updated and maintained. River Caves can be changed and updated to fit the times when need be. Steeple Chase needs to be done away and has long past it's expiry date. Not to mention it takes up a lot of room.

Great video guys. Haven't been to Pleasure Beach in years but plan to next year. Interesting comments and observations with the 3 rides mentioned. Hope these issues can be resolved in the future. In the meantime wishing you all a very happy Christmas.

Rides at Blackpool Pleasure Beach that should be upgraded/modernised are: 1, the Revolution by having new LIM Induction Motors for the launches instead of the current cable + cart system so the Revolution can be more modern and up-to-date. 2, the Ice Blast, in Oakwood Theme Park, they have a new version of Ice Blast, so Blackpool Pleasure Beach could/should replace the current 26 year old Ice Blast with a newer model like the one in Oakwood have. 3, The Derby Racer, the 72 Key Verbeeck needs modernisation so it can have electronic software with air solenoid valves rather than current mechanical sound book and have new/more tunes put in the organ including chitty chitty bang bang, Crazy What Love Can Do? [Becky Hill], Blow That Smoke [Major Lazer+Tove Lo], Equally Lost [Tove Lo], 2-Step [Ed Sheran], Woman [Doja Cat], +, You Right [The Weeknd+Doja Cat].

I would bin Infusion, Impossible & Steeplechase. I have a soft spot for River Caves but it does need updating.

Replace steeple chase with a river rapids kind of ride

Coasters have to have 1 more block then trains so for example if it runs 4 trains it would need 5 blocks

Great video. Grand National I would love to see fully painted up again as it does look a bit tatty. I would like to see the computers removed and converted back to manual operation. Still a shame they increased the height restriction from 117cm to 132cm. Not been back to PB last season as my son loves it and cannot ride it anymore. River Caves - absolutely amazing ride. I love the understated exterior and the amazing scenes inside, one of my all time favourites. Steeple chase - really tough one, a very unique Arrow classic would be such a shame if it went but it does take up a lot of space. I think it has to stay. Nemesis - absolutely right to re-track that ride. Colossus - debatable but needs new trains far more desperately than new track IMO. The rear seats in each train I end up knee capping myself.

Remove Steeplechase, relocate the carousel to the North park, and you have a large area for two or three new rides. Spread that over 3 years, and build some excitement about the place.

Keep Steeplechase. I love BPB because there’s so much variety. It’s not just rollercoasters.

Budget a non-factor: replace Infusion with an RMC raptor; retrack the national and new trains for it (even if it means closing it for a season); as for steeple chase, Coaster Studios had a video from a manufacturer who make single rail rides (some have been installed on cruise ships) that could redesign the layout and put better trains on it. I also think there's space for a new indoor ride.

Surprised they haven't put seat belts on Derby Racer yet. Coming of Valhala then going on that and holding on for dear life because my arse is slipping off.

I’d re-track the Grand National it’s far too rough. I’d ditch the Steeple Chase, it doesn’t attract enough people, also I think it’s unsafe and quite boring. Especially for the amount of park space it takes up. Very anti-climax. The River Caves is definitely a keeper. A family favourite in fact an all round favourite!!

After seeing recent reactions to Mine Blower and Zeus, I don't want Timberliners anywhere near the National! I'd give it to GG to re-track and keep the PTCs. Another option is to get a manufacturer to look at a lightweight version of a topper track, could weight be cut from it if it's not designed for inversions like RMC's topper? There's nothing quite like a morning ride on the nash to rattle you awake on a cold morning at BPB and as gutted as I'd be that it would loose some of it's charm, I'd swap it in a heartbeat for a nicely new re-tracked and re-ridable modern take on The National. Imagine those walk on days being able to marathon a butter smooth national for hours it would be bliss!!

That shot ride accident must of been such a huge shock for everyone there that had witnessed it aww 🥰 bless you both for thinking of those my thoughts are with those poor people too, in my local town Xmas fun fair a child flew out the kids spinning cups and saucers ride fortunately the poor child survived with no instant injuries after being caught by a sweet parent passing by , I love your singing and dancing Shawn and Charlotte really crack me up in hysterics 😄😂😂😂, AHH that bratwurst sausage mmm 😋 looks totes delicious, your exactly the same as me I'm completely hooked up on hotdogs 🌭🌭sausages especially fish 🐠 fingers too, how many have you had now about 6dozens lol 🤣 good to see your both having an awesome Christmas ☃️ festivities celebrations at these epic events despite the cost and expenses just getting out there embracing the high life engaging with everyone ey thanks for sharing great footage again, take care see you soon in the next vlogs stay safe

Voted 👍 Interesting chat, thx boys. Let the woodies be woodies, remove the restraints 😱 I think I remember Steeplechase pre-seatbelts, too. Now off to watch your hilarious Hero pov...

I love the 'Grand National' for all of it's rough. I view it as, an old wooden coaster, which is very special and historic. I would never want to see it go. That would be a sad day. I do agree that I only ever see 2 trains (3 at max) running at a time. Remodrnise River Caves. No please don't get rid of 'Steeplechase'. As I have got older though, it is definetely harder, to get on that horse but same as the 'Derby Racer'. Both great rides in my opinion. Bin 'Red Arrows Sky Force' and 'Revolution'.

I think there’s a market for coaster re-tracking, the cost of a re-track will be infinitely cheaper than a brand new coaster. I think with the post-pandemic we’re going to see a lot more of it, this is just the start tbh - if a re-track gives the coaster a few more years, i think the parks will take it

Removing a listed building is not a civil matter, it is criminal. It wouldnt be fines, it would be prison sentences for management.

Love these chatty vids. Very interesting discussion. You guys are great !! I agree with you Scott about Steeplechase, it needs to go in my view, it is a big wsste of space. Also, what are those hortible old animal statues you see when riding the express near the hotels. They need to be binned as they look dated and bad. Id remove infusion and bring back the log flume... my word, i have so nany memories of riding that as a kid !!

Replace river caves with a version of Garfield’s nightmare then it will be the greatest ride ever

Get rid of infusion and put in a log fume or a 4d coaster

Steeplechase always has a queue though, allegedly longer than OG Nemesis at times.

im a massive fan of your channel. Im 51, and remember the mid-late seventies days of the reel, water chute, haunted swing, the monster, old (art deco) funhouse etc. But i have one huge difference of opinion. How can you consider the grand national a better woody than the Big dipper?! For a start, the best part of woodys from that era was the first drop, ridden on the back seat. Grand National first drop is RUINED (imo) by it being NOT a full drop but "humped " in the middle of that first drop! Anyway, my opinion is all in good fun (but still unarguably CORRECT!!) Again, great video guys PS I STILL think that the backwards/return of the revolution (weightlessness over the drop lip - and the bit as you reach bottom of the dip and start going backwards up the loop) provides the best stomach turning, brain rolling buzz of all!

remember when BPB had a rainbow

Good video I can’t see pleasure beach removing any rides or changing them. Main thing is they need to build new rides

Get rid of both Steeplechase and Red Arrows, maybe add in a flat ride opposite the River Caves and retrack the Grand National. Also speaking of River Caves give it some new theming and lighting too. Lastly get rid of Infusion.

Agreed on the trains for Mammut and on how dull Python is now! Steeplechase I really dislike but I don't think I can bring myself to remove the last coaster of its kind. I'd sooner an RMC Raptor go where Infusion is, SLCs are omnipresent, Steeplechase is unique even if it's bad. I'm sure new ride vehicles would be possible, something where leaning into those corners is a pleasure not painful!

Have you not seen pleasure beach express i went on it second to last day of the season and they've ripped a lot of stuff out even the land rover had gone which as you know has been there a long time my lifetime maybe yours I was pretty surprised because litrally never seen it change lol

River caves ide give it a few big drips and make it mor of a thrill ride and for safty with the drops ide have new boats and seatbelts incase theres children in the boats.

Great discussion I think the Grand National was so much improved this year and really enjoyed it but agree the operating system needs improvement. River Caves yeah got soaked at the start on the last weekend and would like some new scenes. Steeplechase scrap it, take the Burger King with it and use the space for maybe a launched spinning coaster from Mack like Timekeeper. It serves little purpose in my opinion except nostalgia and that did nothing for Noah’s Ark which was a great walkthrough attraction.

Listing wouldn't stop a retrack of national they would just need permission to do so. 100% agree with removing Steeplechase, it takes up a decent chunk of land and the only reason it exists is down to the fact it's the last one. The elephant in the room is that Pleasure Beach are skint so I'm not sure the finance is there to replace it.

Great discussion... Agree Nash needs to close and have full retrack ... If chase does go first Dibbs on the sign love the art work

The burger king comment confused me I have to be honest cuz burger king is south park national is north park?

Nice one guys big respect 👍🎢👍🎢

to me: BPB's maintenance team do excellent work looking after their wooden coasters. Yes, nash needs more work to keep the track in good condition. Same as Big Dipper receives. I dont think the track should be reprofiled: it is what it is, a 1930's coaster. Additional banking on corners would result in too much of a change in the hill's height at exit that it's gonna negatively effect the ride layout. it's one of the characteristics of the ride in lots of strong laterals in the final 3 corners. the trains should be improved, same style, 3 rows per car. but should be a way of lightening the cars to put less strain on the track. Steeplejack - its the last of it's kind. and should stay so long as it is able to run. S&S have updated "cars" with a lap bar type restraint. Rivercaves. I agree - some scenes could do with a refresh and seat backs. But, for me, the first ride i think should be removed is Infusion, replace with a Suspended Thrill Coaster. I think I've only ridden Infusion once since it moved from Southport. Or the trains get updated to some of the current Vekoma trains. Second - remove the Dodgems where The Whip used to be. Third - remove Thompson Carousel and replace with a Star Flyer. Fourth - Swap Ice Blast for a taller drop tower or can the tower be retrofitted to be a S&S Combo tower - but in all honestly - a higher capacity drop tower would be good than the current Shot Tower. An Intamin Zac Spin would easily fit either where the wild mouse or trauma towers stood. Not saying it's be a great coaster with the best of throughputs, but it'd certainly be an addition to the line up and improve the view as you enter the park and look down the path towards Big Dipper.

what did you think should have happened to Nemesis Scott?

RMC grand national.

i hate steeplechase too but i think it'd be a shame to lose it since it's the last of its kind :(

a triple duelling rmc raptor to replace steeple chase and make it a mobius loop coaster

If they get rid go Steeplechase, what would they replace it with???

I agree it needs a modernization its a hard one to be honest lol love the Dragonball figures in the back I have a Dragonball sleave tattoo haha do i regret it NEVER!!

The PBE dinosaur bit needs updated. If they do nothing else, the stop at the end of Steeplechase badly needs sorted. That jolt can really hurt your back. I'm with Mike on the dismount, Trying with an arthritic hip is not pleasant.

cool video! The Nash needs to be an RMC Dueling so bad like Twisted Colossus

Probably an unpopular opinion, but I wouldn't be sad to see the River Caves go. The current scenes and effects just aren't good enough to warrant the damp bottom and soggy feet you'll have for half the day afterwards. Sorry! 😬

You are right Scott bin steeple chase

Kanny beat the old avalanche quality so it is

I think Steeplechase definitely needs removing

Retracking is great for the classics. If they brought in numbers and continue to thrill, it’s worth looking after rather than trying to come up with something better. I’ll give my home park retrack list - Nemesis, Wickerman and The Smiler. The rest, I’d get rid of and bring in something new when the time comes.

Grand National & Steeplechase - both need to go, unrideable

KEEP THE NATIONAL .......

No good living in the past, get rid of all of em

National has been riding absolutely terribly this season. Get rid!

Yep bin the Steeplechase, instrument of torture, plus when you can’t get your leg over any more what’s the point ? 🤷🏽🤣🤣🧱👍🏼