im taking a huge dump rn wish me luck hope nothing tears

it's kinda ironic that they killed CSGO to not fracture the playerbase and now are fracturing the playerbase with being incapable of introducing a good server browser and proper community server support that not breaks everything.

Didn't try surfing till cs2. You don't need to be a long time surfer to know that running into a ramp bug every 3 attempts is not right.

I just wish that everything wouldn't just keep getting worse and worse online. Everywhere you look every service gets worse and more expensive all the time. Shit is mad depressing.

i literally cant find ANY servers when clicking on the server browser button so its really sad to see it this way

fun fact, there's a sourcemod plugin in team fortress 2 to fix ramp bugs and it works pretty well. If a rampbug is detected it pushes you slightly out of the ramp. Shout out to ya boi bshear

man, i remember back in 2004/05 waking up at my friends place at like 6 am to go play on the surf servers, good times

Ramp bug is so common now. Shame it isn't as fun as csgo or css

When I clicked on the Video, I hoped to see repster, very glad you talked to him to make this video! Very good research guys!

Wow. Surf egypt. That brings me right back to my childhood.

unfortunately valve does not give a single fuck about the near perfect movement source 1 gave or the community built around it, upgrading it into something less responsive and accurate wasn't a mistake or something they just looked over. it won't make them enough money for the amount of effort it would take to fix their shitty "new and improved" engine. making video games better with time is a thing of the past, at least we get to look at shiny reflections all over the maps now to distract us from the gameplay.

I wouldve loved for you guys to show what momentummod is doing for the movement community rn. They are literally creating a whole new game with a heavy focus on all source based movement games

I wish cs2 was never a thing and we stuck with csgo

KZ is also pretty bad now

thanks for putting this out there, and props to repster for covering it continuously

got into cs in 2015 and enjoyed the game a lot, but I met someone in matchmaking and he started surfing after our game. it absolutely changed my life and I absolutely would not stop surfing, and still do it quite frequently. a couple of notes I have about this vid (repster did a really good job with the main reasons for cs2 surf dying) in regards to surf as a whole: yes, people do take it that seriously. think of it as a speedrunning community, where people are constantly trying to innovate on new maps, or grind out small improvements on older maps. the best part about surfing is you don't have to be the best in the world to feel satisfaction, you can just enjoy the feeling of getting a new personal best. some of my favorite feelings is playing a map I haven't played in a while and destroying my time because I have improved so much since last time I played that map. the other major thing is the movement communities seem to be in a sort of limbo right now. i will say for myself, that I haven't been surfing as much recently because it feels like it won't be as enjoyable or gratifying until momentum mod comes out. if you don't know about momentum mod look it up, its basically a standalone surf game and is going to be amazing, it is just being done by a small dev team out of passion and they will slowly but surely put it out and it will most definitely revive interest in the gamemode. until then, its either buy counter strike source, struggle through cs2, or play on a much smaller community (tf2, cs 1.6, roblox etc)

I like that this shows people that surf and other ways to play exist. Nice vid.

I clocked up 5k hours on CSS solely playing community servers, scouts knives, gungame, breakfloor, zombie, dm, nades only, etc. When GO released that was all gone, so that's when I first started playing competitive and I've always hated it, all the sweaty camping, holding angles, nerdy nade lineups and microsecond timing etc was just never my play style. I just want to hold W and click heads. In fact I even switched to Battlefield 3 for several years because it was way more loose and fun.

Here's hoping Momentum Mod actually decides to go into a live/ complete state sometime this decade.

I can confirm that CSS was not only the best version of CS to surf on, but the best version of CS period. As someone who played CS since the WON days (before Steam), CSS simply provided me with the most fun both in community servers, and in a competitive environment playing in CEVO and ESEA. I will admit though, playing some of the old aim maps on 1.5/1.6 were a ton of fun, and the Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne server mods made the game absolutely absurd with all the things it added. I remember renting a server on 1.5, cancelling my payment after a month or 2, and then finding that they apparently forgot about it and left it up with full access to modify the server for over a year.

The type of people who make community mods and stuff are moving to the fortnite/epic, or roblox environment or just making their own games. It’s never been easier to make a game. Why make a free mod that’s liable to break when you can develop a mod in a monetized environment or your own game and self publish? When the source 2 environment lacks documentation, guides, support, and monetization? It’s the complete opposite of what source used to be.

This isn't limit to only surfers, but for the majority of community servers, majority of CS's playerbase come from community server which is not supported very well currently. I think their main focus right now is on the competitive side of the game, if they really want the player base back, they should also focus on the community side as well.

Thanks for this video! I have been surfing for a long time ... my first surf map was surf_water_run and I remember surf_egypt well also. Videos like this help bring visibility to our beloved hobby. Mariowned is a super nice guy and is still around in the community. Mappers like Nyro with surf_Lt_omnific have made a longlasting impact on style that still resonates to this day. I am thankful for all the friends and memories Surfing has given me over the decades! PS: CS:Source surfing is still the best aint no question

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="55">0:55</a> *stages or long continuous maps. Not a big deal, but tiers are the skill level of maps and stages are sections within a map. Thank you for participating in the surf community and bringing it to more people's radar, love the content:)

There's a project called momentum mod that aims to combine many different source movement mods into one game it's genuinely sick

Funny thing about that random pixel appearing on ramp, it's not only on surf. I noticed a lot of times I would be stuck just by playing regular maps, like pixel blocks or smthing where it should not had.

Peak cs for me was surf AND zombies, on 1.6 surf_ski2, nothing can beat the feeling you get when you're the last human, surfing as fast as possible while dodging a server full of zombies trying to hit you, knowing that if you mess up just a little and fall, you're cooked

I predicted this. Dota 2 reborn also had a very wide gamut of issues and problems, and it didn't even have community servers and maps yet.

Thanks for covering CS Surf :)

you might be the most lovable thescore representative, good vid!

Glad to see a channel this big discussing this

TLDR; small pixels on the surfs ramp that blocks you and it’s happening more frequent in cs2.

In csgo there used to be so many populated 5v5 Community Competitive servers that let you use ANY SKIN you wanted.

Back in my day I was a god at "Hide'N'Seek", it was massively popular, I've had my own servers with 30 people every single day inside, but as CS:GO came, CS2, etc it slowly died, and I moved away I log-in occasionally to this day for the nostalgia

CS2 is suffering from the same neglect and ignorance from valve as tf2 does, valve just doesnt care about things like this

this is what thescore needed on their channel surf should be recognised more, its so skillfull

YES THANKS FOR COVERING THIS. MORE PEOPLE NEED TO SURF / AT LEAST KNOW ABOUT SURFING.

I was by no means an expert at surfing but some of my fondest CS memories are associated with surfing in CS Source

for me, when I click on the community server tab, it tabs out my game and the window pops up on my desktop and then I have to open cs2 again only to minimize when I click inside the community server tab

I’ve been surfing in css since cs2 came out and honestly it’s chill. New graphics will be hype but css will always be there for us.

I used to surf a little bit in cscz. But i loved scoutz_knivez and Kz_mountain climbers in cscz

at the end dude just named off all my childhood severs

Great video glad you highlighted the dope shit

I like cs2 but csgo surfing / kz / bhop is just better. Idk wtf it is, but idc if they fix servers, ramp bug, or optimization. I'm always gonna just launch csgo when i join a movement server. They got !ws as well so thats a bonus

This is actually really interesting, cause yesterday I was looking at trying to surf (haven't really played cs2 since it came out), and I tried to use the community browser and it wont even load anything. Thought it was just broken, sucks this is like a big issue.

I think this is a good time to say that I'm working on a minecraft mod to implement surfing and bhopping into minecraft. We currently just have air strafing and bhopping but we're working on surf :)

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="192">3:12</a> Valve does not release documentation for plugin development. They didn't for CSGO either. It's entirely reverse-engineered.

I probably got the best memories from back then jb in cs:s

I have played the cs franchise on and off since around 2003 and 75-80% of my game time is in community servers, mainly KZ and surf. This situation is just sad..

This is what happens when people keep giving valve a pass for releasing a half ass game. GAMES NEED TO BE FUNCTIONAL ON RELEASE.Not fix it on the go, like a live game bs

All pro surfing takes place in CS Source because the lighter client = more ticks = more speed and because other commands like cl_yawspeed exist which do not in GO and 2 which allow you to adjust the sensitivity of your turn binds. other factors like smaller player models also play a part in that. I don't see that changing any time soon. While it's nice for Valve to fix surfing in CS2, its mostly for casual surfers.

what’s the website for the third party map browser?

The server browser in CS Source could find thousands of servers in seconds on a shitty connection in 2005. And when you search with tags: literally instant search results from their database! All gungame servers found in the blink of an eye. It's unbelievable how bad the experience twenty years later is.

The new server browser feature in cs2 is actually so abysmal. Its so hard to find shit to the point where it almost feels like its on purpose.

i actually haven't had the ramp bug happen to me that much, but the awful server browser makes it annoying to play on surf servers. The old server browser may not be great, but it worked and holds a lot of nostalgia.

I always used surfing to get a feeling for my mouse before warming up. But this edge bug males it really hard to play…at least there is a plug in now wich reduces the bug, its now implemented in most servers

funny timing on this video, yesterday i finished setting up my private CSGO surf server, since CS2 surf is unplayable.

Csgo surfing is what first got me into cs I’ve tried it on cs2 a handful of times and have been so disappointed. The shiny new thing is nice, but the thing working is much more important

whats the website thats like a second party communtiy browser?

thanks for raising youre voice for them

The server browser is the steam internal serverbrowser with a inbound connection in cs2 its not even in the game itself thats why it opens in a new window

It's super rare to encounter a ramp bug in csgo.

Zombie Escape is probably also on the yips with CS2, I assume

css ksf surf is still alive and fun as ever

I've always used external server lists like gamemonitor back in the day, and gametracker. I don't see a big issue. There are so many higher priority things for valve to work on.

The audio cut at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="306">5:06</a> seems very unintentional. Unsure if that's the kind of thing @theScore esports will care to fix, but one can dream.

I still play surf on 1.6 or css. I tried surf_ski2 on cs2, i didnt have rampbugs but seeing your legs just throws me off lol.

im still waiting for combat surf and scout knives to make its comeback

As a surfer, it really hurts my heart.

same happened to KZ btw. i grinded that mode so hard for a few k hours, but its basically dead now.

momentum mod is our saviour

Still waiting for momentum mod

I actually thought I got worse at surfing when switching from CS:GO to CS2 because I always suddenly bumped into these bugs. I didn't know that they were a thing for many other people. I even bumped into the SAME EXACT SPOTS as shown in the video. huh...

lol i havent played for a long time. but i spent thousands of hours of my childhood playing cs 1.6. i remember how joining some some servers infects your client and makes you automatically advertise for that site in the chat. or even makes it so that what ever button u click on the menu connects you to that server. lots of crazy shit xD

Shout out to FragSurf which was created for combat surfers. It feels very similar to surfing in cs.

I think your intro is said it perfect. When cs2 dropped CS lost its identity.

happy as fuck for reptor getting a feature on this

only two things I never learned in my 20+ years of CS. How to Surfer and how to B hop. I can Surfer for a bit until it goes around a bend then I fall off or shoot off the top. I can maybe land 2 clean b hops.

Simple man I see Repster I upvote

It would be awesome if valve would publish an offical surf gamemode with leaderboard and a mappool

They need to add +stage back and change the +left /+right speeds back to what they were in CS go

Hopefully this will revive CS:S surfing. And then people playing CS:S surfing might just play normal CS:S

sur is still going strong in source. seriously if you wanna surf just shell out the $15 for it, servers still active and has the biggest map pool.

Regarding the server browser, it's almost impossible to find any server you can connect to that is solid in any way. I play on EU server with t5-t8 maps which can be done in CS2, but the amount of ramp stutters is horrendours. I cannot say if it's servers/engines fault, but the state valve released the server browsing experience worst that it's ever been in any of their games, including HL1.

Momentum mod needs to come out soon

i love surf i hope they fix things soon

I miss surf combat maps.

I clicked on the globe button in cs2 the one for community servers, zero cs2 servers, but I saw a server from DayZ, clicked on it, and I was already in DayZ on the server, having good time talking and stabbing random innocent people for duct tape, truly a good CS experience

I know ill stand pretty alone in my opinion. but despite the problems with cs2, I enjoy it. and I enjoy the few surf servers I have. and only one is actually problematic with curved surf walls, im not the most try hard surfer. but most of the maps Ive played dont actually have issues of ramp glitches and snags. I do want my KZ back though I have yet to even play it on cs2. however, I hadn't played csgo in so long before it switched to cs2 that I cannot mentally compare the two on my own feelings. yes I played csgo for YEARS but being so detached actually helped me see it as a new game and not able to identify the specific nuances of the differences. again Im not defending Valve. but cs2 has been ALOT of fun for me to play recently. and as such I have a lot of hope for the next year or two years for them to kick it back into gear and see it grow for years to come. i hope.....

I'll play Roblox Surf for now.

here i was wishing theyd incorporate surfing officially into CS and valve kills the whole scene instead it's crazy

Ngl I thought it was just me who keeps sticking on ramps

well well

WCS Surf was the absolute GOAT

It's really a shame that a lot of the simple things in this game still aren't even fixed or released after this much time of the game being released.

The GOAT repster

we got digital divide in cs2 before gta 6

Ramp bug is happening becouse of tick-rate in csgo if you just download any surf map on workshop and make your game 128 tick you will experience the bug but if you play with 64 tick you will not experience the bug it was like this in cs:go in cs2 i think that bug is happening because of sub tick

i never get ramp bugs it feels prety good to me i mean i get a couple ramp bugs but its not that big of a deal to me.

Did they fix this? I spent the entire day surfing yesterday and never had an issue