Has there ever been a plane that suffered such a catastrophic structural failure in mid-flight that did *not* simply fall out of the sky, other than this one? Baum was an idiot, but all the other pilots did a great job to recover from that. A shame that they couldn't all survive.
@Supersean00012 жыл бұрын
There was a Pan Am 707 that has #4 explode on climbout from San Francisco (I think) to Honolulu (I think). When the engine wert, it also took out the outboard wing, from the WS 733 production break, leaving just a section of lower wing skin and starting a fire as well. The crew successfully dumped fuel and made a successful landing at Mather AFB near Sacramento. I want to say that was about 1965, I think? A passenger took a picture of the right wing on fire in flight, missing that outboard section. The 707 was a tough old bird--generally speaking.
@stuartlee66222 жыл бұрын
Those Electras! Those Electras!!
@vitekkozov39802 жыл бұрын
There was the DHL A300 that got hit by a surface to air missile while departing Baghdad. A good portion of a wing was gone alongside all hydraulics, but both engines kept operating, enabling the crew to perform an emergency landing.
@TheJaymon19622 жыл бұрын
The Boeing 377 would fall out of the sky every once in a while. Those were usually engine failures, tho.
@stuartlee66222 жыл бұрын
@@TheJaymon1962 No. Bad, hollow props!
@jakejacobs75842 жыл бұрын
We used to have to practice this when I first started as captain on the 727. Don't remember doing it on the 75/76/or the 777. It was always recoverable as long as you didn't get ham fisted. There could have been a bit of "hold my beer and watch this" stuff going on an acceptance flight as well. A big ouch for all involved.
@Primus542 жыл бұрын
Nice series of aircraft flown in your career. During the 80s I flew a great deal regionally (2 hour or less hops) which nearly always were on older 727s & 737s. The takeoff runs on those seemed to go on forever, sometimes to the point of getting a little concerning. I’ll never forget however the first flight I had on a new 757 out of Atlanta. The force of the acceleration pushing me back in the seat was only eclipsed by what seemed like a too early rotation… I was certain we were going to stall and fall to the runway! Yet that bird just kept flying at a high angle of attack gaining altitude at an incredible rate. Still my absolute favorite narrow body and the most visually beautiful. Cheers! 👍👍👍
@HunterPeale2 жыл бұрын
@@Primus54 there are clips of 737s and other Boeing planes doing vertical takeoffs.....wow.
@Primus542 жыл бұрын
@@HunterPeale Really? Flight simulators with customizable power plants maybe?
@patrickunderwood56622 жыл бұрын
@@Primus54 Long-lens cameras, advantageous camera angles, lightly loaded aircraft piloted by Boeing test guys in short zoom climbs, strictly PR! BTW, agree the 757 is the best-looking narrowbody, long elegant fuselage sitting on that amazing tall gear. Sweet.
@PetrolHeadBrasil2 жыл бұрын
@@Primus54 757 is a beast! I LOVE flying them! Especially in the "shuttle" MIA/MCO, with a light load... Man, that plane used to climb like a ROCKET! I miss the 757 so bad.... =/
@rileysteve2 жыл бұрын
This accident led to Boeing enlarging the vertical stabilizer, and caused the British to insist on extra redundancy with a ventral fin to give an extra margin of control at lower speeds. The Braniff crash was significant.
@MyzelleJenkins2 жыл бұрын
I never understood why that ventral fin was added…until now-thanks for the info!
@birdnest58142 жыл бұрын
Revised the training syllabus to: don’t be an a-hole. RIP to the cockpit occupants 🙏
@jaybee92692 жыл бұрын
Isn’t that the truth?
@johningram90812 жыл бұрын
Great job. The 707 was a beautiful aircraft. My 1st airliner ride and it was on Braniff. My paternal grandparents were close friends with the T.E. Braniff family. Loved the old livery.
@moi018872 жыл бұрын
Sigh... I'm jealous. I've flown on airlines a bit but never on a 4-jet plane (I've been on a 4-engine turboprop) and it's looking like I may never get the chance.
@chereecargill3552 жыл бұрын
One of my uncles flew for Braniff his whole career. I'm from Dallas, their headquarters, and I loved watching their take offs and landings Love Field.
@johningram90812 жыл бұрын
@@chereecargill355 Yes the good ole days parked at Bachman lake having them come roaring over .
@JJDigitalartStudio2 жыл бұрын
In case there are others watching who do not know what a Dutch roll is. Here is the definition: Dutch roll is a series of out-of-phase turns, when the aircraft rolls in one direction and yaws in the other. Its name comes from the motion of a classic Dutch skating technique.
@HunterPeale2 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
What is a hot dog roll?
@doriangray20202 жыл бұрын
Thanks…this newfound knowledge along with my own personal expertise of executing a Dutch Oven makes my life complete.
@midgie44102 жыл бұрын
The video showed this
@JJDigitalartStudio2 жыл бұрын
@@doriangray2020 Ok smart arse. I did not know exactly what that was other than something to make a sandwich with. Once a teacher always a teacher. There may be others to timid to ask what it is. Now they don't have to. Darn if I knew the man who knows everything was here I would have asked you.
@cyndisherry75472 жыл бұрын
I was a Boeing firefighter/EMT from early 80's thru mid 90s. This crash and the aftermath was a training film that we would watch from time to time ( with several others ) , very strange to see at least part of it again after 20 years! Nice job on the video! 😊
@julosx2 жыл бұрын
But I guess there was many alarms screaming when all of this happened ?
@cyndisherry75472 жыл бұрын
@@julosx No, no... I have only seen the crash as a training video. The actual crash happened years before I was even born.
@markpreston69302 жыл бұрын
That era at Boeing was stoner. Lots of Rainiers and bong hits on the job. Airline maintenance crews find flattened beer cans and spent drug paraphernalia inside panels and upholstery.
@2wMaliman2 жыл бұрын
@@julosx likely fire, but as much as I appreciate accuracy, 6 minutes of ringing sucks
@thegreat_I_am2 жыл бұрын
So much for a training flight! They’d have been better to allow the two Braniff captains, each with over 20,000 flying hours to train themselves. Neither would’ve rolled the aircraft so violently that they tore the engines off it!
@CLR2TKF Жыл бұрын
You might be surprised at how many pilots had to be forced into retirement when jets started entering the airline fleets. The old piston pilots just couldn't keep up.
@psalm2forliberty5772 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a case of a nascent 32 year old Baum, the hotshot young pilot, gonna show the 'old dogs' some tricks ! And that EGO got him killed / others injured / plane destroyed, sad to say !
@noahdavidson87332 жыл бұрын
Surprisingly, this wasn’t the only test flight of a 707 that crashed. American lost two 707s on Long Island two years apart. The transition from the standard prop aircraft to new jet aircraft was a culture shock, I’m sure.
@clarsach292 жыл бұрын
Wow- way to destroy a brand new perfectly serviceable aircraft and kill some folk in the process. I am glad all those in the tail did survive but this was a truly needless accident caused by carelessness and ignoring the bank angle limitations.
@williammeszaros33822 жыл бұрын
There are old pilots and there are bold pilots but there aren't any old bold pilots...RIP.
@Syd-un1xr2 жыл бұрын
True statement.
@thedocnak2 жыл бұрын
never heard that one before =P
@bugproductions90502 жыл бұрын
Very original comment.
@thegreat_I_am2 жыл бұрын
There are old cliches and there are bold cliches, but this is a very old cliche.
@zardoz_ii20612 жыл бұрын
Flew on several Braniff flights years ago. Flew on them as a kid and they gave me a deck of Braniff playing cards that I had for several years. That was when the livery was the aircraft being painted one solid color. Guess this was earlier livery. But yeah, no valid reason for Baum to put the aircraft into such a severe roll. It's the job of the instructor pilot to ensure the flight goes by the book, not to cowboy ride. Then again, many moons back I was taking flight lessons. Was trying out a new school given I was on the road and just wanted to build some hours. Me and instructor get to training altitude in a C-152 and the instructor asks "You ever been inverted in a 152?" Me: "Uh, no I didn't...." Instructor proceeds to barrel roll the thing. I never took a second lesson there.
@schrodingerscat7218 Жыл бұрын
A barrel roll is a perfectly safe 1g manouver in a 152. And you made a prudent decision. There are old pilots, there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots.
@ericwhitehead64512 жыл бұрын
I grew up in Seattle, my dad worked there starting in 65 and many friends had family that worked there. I NEVER heard of this incident until now. I worked at Boeing for 10 years and never heard of it either.
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
This video is not about your life, if any.
@donnabaardsen53722 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK You have a serious problem! Eric is super polite, and merely saying he's surprised he never heard about this particular accident, since he lived and worked nearby. On the other hand, you're rude, and appear to have zero reading comprehension. Totally missed the point of his post. And by the way, the first word in a sentence always begins with an upper case letter.
@stankfaust8142 жыл бұрын
In June of that same year (1959) My grandpa was a boeing employee working as a navigator on a B52 that crashed out of boeing field (no survivors). They dont talk about that one much either. 2 bad crashes in the same year.
@Dan-3792 жыл бұрын
I heard about this incident from, interestingly enough, a wiki page about it in russian
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
@@donnabaardsen5372 As far as Eric's comment: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eLKFnsqDpt_DhqM.html
@ronbottitta74372 жыл бұрын
That has to be the most alarming visual report ever.
@jaredlazaron8414 Жыл бұрын
I've stood on the exact spot the tail came to rest. Did some limited research about this accident a few years ago as it was only a few miles from where I was currently living. Went exploring with a metal detector and came up empty. My FIL's mother remembers the crash scene pretty vividly as she was in her teens in the late 50's early 60's.
@bubbaries2 жыл бұрын
Was born, raised, and lived the first 22 years of my life in the city of Arlington, WA, situated where the North and South Forks of the Stillaguamish river converge into one. I have been up and down the river millions of times, seen plenty a leftover car wreck from when SR530 followed the edge of the cliff above the river, and explored many ruins of old logging camps or bridge crossings to long forgotten railroads. First time I’ve ever heard that a friggin plane crashed in the Stilly. Thanks for teaching me something new!
@cyndisherry75472 жыл бұрын
This crashed in the Stillagumish river in Snohomish county, WA. Not in Virginia.
@MarceloBenoit-trenes2 жыл бұрын
@@cyndisherry7547 "city of Arlington, WA, situated where the North and South Forks of the Stillaguamish river converge into one". I cannot found Virginia on this phrase. It is Arlington, Washington.
@cyndisherry75472 жыл бұрын
@@MarceloBenoit-trenes Well either I read his post wrong 🤷 which is probably the case 😂 or he accidently had " VA " instead of " WA " and edited it not realizing his phone probably put in the wrong state as soon as he said Arlington 🤔😁 Whichever, thanks for letting me know ... I've only lived in Washington state for 45 years Lol 😂 and to top it off I was a White Water Guide as well as SAR !! So thank you for catching that so I didn't continue to look really ..... Duhhhmmmb! 🤦
@Theemysteryman2 жыл бұрын
@bubbaries Your statement.. touched me.
@borderite882 жыл бұрын
Had learned about this crash while checking out the crash of an F-102 into Mountlake Terrace, WA during the opening of the World's fair in 1962 after the pilot had a malfunction, ejected over Lake Forest Park expecting the jet go into Lk Washington but it continued nw and crashed into several homes and a couple on the ground.
@BurrEyeN Жыл бұрын
My dad worked with the FAA inspector, Bill Huebner, while they were on assignment with the FAA in Frankfurt, Germany in 1971-1975. I was there with my dad and our family and I also knew Bill. I never knew about this incident until I came across your video so thank you so much Allec for creating and posting it, you did an excellent job!
@timmbentley19832 жыл бұрын
I always enjoy the detail and background of each episode as well as the historical photos.
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-80432 жыл бұрын
This is absolutely heartbreaking. What was Baum thinking?? RIP those who lost their lives.❤️
@Houndini2 жыл бұрын
I really can't speak for Baum. But I suspect The Salesman & How great our product is. Overrode his basic common sense & caught up with him as it always do. Its really almost a miracle they got that plane back down on mother earth that safe. Could been a lot more loss of life. Company test pilots are pushed hard to try sell more planes from Armed Services down to Mom & Pops buying small there little single engine jobs. No matter how any companies deny this it do happen daily.
@bills60932 жыл бұрын
I think he was irritated at the 25 degree reminder from the other guy, and decided to show him what he could do with the 707.
@too-da-loo2 жыл бұрын
Interesting that news reports at the time hailed Baum a hero.. "A veteran Boeing test pilot today was credited with saving the lives of four of eight persons aboard a 707-220 which crashed and burned on a river sand bar 40 miles north of here Monday. Four survived the fiery crash of the sleek jet liner because Russell H. Baum, 32. Bellevue, Wash., gave his life in the emergency landing. "
@BsUJeTs2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the media of today.
@davef.28112 жыл бұрын
Couldn't help but notice that the other pilots each had approx. 4X the experience of the "veteran test pilot."
@TheHaratashi2 жыл бұрын
Baum was an idiot that killed innocent people.
@micheleshively85572 жыл бұрын
Another sad but exceptionally interesting video Allec! The beauty of your videos bring me back every time you post. Thank you!
@BsUJeTs2 жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, I remember reading about Boeings Chief Test pilot doing a barrel roll on a B707 in order to sell the Aircraft against the competing DC8. His name was Alvin Tex Johnson. Maybe the test pilot was writing checks this aircraft couldn’t cash. His over confidence took the life’s of several people.
@StevenBanks1232 жыл бұрын
Tex was a true aviator. The kind of roll Rex performed placed no stress on the aircraft. Had there been passengers aboard holding cups of coffee and not looking outside, they would not have been aware nor spilled a drop of coffee. Tex was still told not to do it again.
@davidbeattie13662 жыл бұрын
That was a completely different kind of maneuver and as he stated, very safe as it creates no more than a 1G load on the aircraft throughout the maneuver.
@randomscb-40charger782 жыл бұрын
The rarest variant of the 707.
@Houndini2 жыл бұрын
Engineering limits are set for a reason. "KISS" Sadly they are even today repeatedly tested at times it turn out very badly.
@dianericciardistewart22242 жыл бұрын
I am old enough to remember this airline. This was an interesting video. Very well explained and visualized. Great work Allec!! Hope all is going well for you!! 💕✈✈💕🙏🙏
@chesvvick2 жыл бұрын
Whenever I see the name Braniff, I’m always reminded of the end of the credits for South Park.
@wvs-arguingpsychology23572 жыл бұрын
Same here
@davidbeattie13662 жыл бұрын
Training accidents were fairly common in the early 60s before advanced full motion simulators were introduced. I think if you look, you will find many more. I remember flying to Blythe, CA in my Cessna 150 and seeing TWA and CAL 707s practicing engine out takeoffs and landings. This included failing two engines on one side right at V1, a very tricky maneuver.
@travelwithtony57672 жыл бұрын
Imagine looking out from the cabin and seeing three engines missing from your aircraft…
@MrEsMysteriesMagicks2 жыл бұрын
Imagine sitting in your backyard and seeing three engines land on the grass. Without a plane.
@susiesweet80032 жыл бұрын
Senseless accident. 😢 WTH was he thinking???
@csolivais19792 жыл бұрын
Almost like he was mad that he got reprimanded about the bank angles.
@TiHerr742 жыл бұрын
Either too much faith in aircraft’s ability or too much faith in his own ability. Superb recreation but depressing to watch.
@PapiDoesIt2 жыл бұрын
Where did the engines land? I used to live at an Air Force base as a child and always wondered what would happen if things fell off as they flew over.
@borderite882 жыл бұрын
There is a map of where the engines fell and where the plane crashed into the riverbend near Oso.
@Dilberto882 жыл бұрын
My first jet flight was on Pan American 707, in 1968. It was a solid flying bird, in my 5- year old mind.
@sarahalbers55552 жыл бұрын
I used to fly Pan Am to London to visit my lovely grandparents out of Seattle in the late 50's early 60's. The flight time was about 2 yrs. In my early 30s I flew for Pan Am out of SFO. Then UAL. I still love to fly. I know this is not on topic, but, of course, I had to chime in. Seems like life times ago.
@innercircle82502 жыл бұрын
As a decendant of the Braniff brothers, it's cool to see my families airline finally being featured in these videos, it be cool to see the plane crash that killed Thomas Elmer Braniff in 1954
@jeffclaterbaugh3962 Жыл бұрын
I lived right behind Symack in Texas as a kid .He told us about the crash and had the seat belt and buckle mounted on a plaque over their fireplace. He was a great guy and had a beautiful family . I'm not sure if he is still here.
@byronharano23912 жыл бұрын
Thank you Kuya Allec Ebay for another wonderful video. I remember Braniff Airline commercials as being non descript and short. Never flew on Braniff. I don't remember this accident nor when the Braniff name disappeared. Sad set of circumstances 😢. Blessings to all aviation fanatics. Blessings Kuya Allec as you complete your flight training.
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
eBay?
@zacktong81052 жыл бұрын
I recall a very brief explanation of what was known of this accident: IMPROPER PROCEDURES/ LOSS OF CONTROL/SEPARATION OF THREE ENGINES. There was little public reaction as most shrugged it off and a replacement aircraft needed was built for Braniff only used on South American routes. Braniff only used Boeing 720s for domestic Idlewild and O'Hare routes from Texas.
@sesquey2 жыл бұрын
Great job yet again, Allec.
@wazzazone2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful Allec and thank you.
@blair27982 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the day when BRANIFF was considered an acronym for -Barely Running And Never In Full Flight. Sad about the loss of life - RIP.
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
rip?
@JosephStalin-yk2hd2 жыл бұрын
Like I said Burt, no one cares, Other than you.
@cogitoergospud1 Жыл бұрын
Delta: “Doesn’t Ever Leave The Airport” 😂
@johncrumpley87022 жыл бұрын
Who puts a cowboy like Baum at the controls, ever??? Nice video Allec.
@gauthamsunil17802 жыл бұрын
This accident is the first time I have ever seen a plane have an upset and just manages to get out of it, but make a force landing in the forest. Also could you do Yemenia 626 and Air Arabia 111. One more thing, why did the front of the plane get destroyed but the tail survive?
@thedocnak2 жыл бұрын
maybe because it crashed into a forest?? and the front of the aircraft took the brunt of the damage?? If i throw you into a tree head first... what condition do you think your legs will be in?
@jasguy27152 жыл бұрын
The plane probably had a tree Dead on right into the cockpit and the people in the tail section which remains intact we're lucky and that's what I'd do go in the tail section.
@rodolfoayalajr.85892 жыл бұрын
Great memories 707 from N.Y to Puerto Rico 🇵🇷. Beautiful bird. Sad.rip Amen 🙏.
@jeremypearson68522 жыл бұрын
The pilot knew the limitations but still went beyond them, why? I guess some accidents will always leave unanswered questions.
@chrisburgess76572 жыл бұрын
Thanks Allec was not aware of this accident keep up the great work
@gusbailey682 жыл бұрын
If you'll forgive me for nit-picking; the 707, and as shown N7071 have/had turbo-jets. The in-flight sound simulation should not have reduction gear growl; but rather a robust roar bordering on a scream. Over-all, I love your videos, just happened to notice on this one. Keep up the good work.
@davidpowell33472 жыл бұрын
Also on take off I think those things usually spewed thick black smoke that from a certain angle almost cloaked the departing plane from view.
@gusbailey682 жыл бұрын
@@davidpowell3347 Ah, the early jet age. 🙂
@JJDigitalartStudio2 жыл бұрын
That crazy pilot seemed bent on destroying that plane and the others on board.
@julosx2 жыл бұрын
And they managed to wreck this 707 even before it was delivered to its customer !
@adamw.85792 жыл бұрын
Alternate title: "How cowboy-pilot trashed brand new aircraft".
@djmech38712 жыл бұрын
How about, Stupid Pilot tricks?
@RO-pd2nn2 жыл бұрын
KZfaq. This is a great channel. Stop trying to kill it. 🤷♂️
@dscott1302 жыл бұрын
Wow! That was unexpected!
@sesquey2 жыл бұрын
I can imagine test pilots having "push the envelope" in their blood - but maybe not so much when 7 others are on board. Geeze.
@EphemeralProductions2 жыл бұрын
Its like he was hotdogging, and or wanted to kill then both
@lunchb0x19862 жыл бұрын
Hotdogging?
@csolivais19792 жыл бұрын
@@lunchb0x1986 being a show off
@EphemeralProductions2 жыл бұрын
@@lunchb0x1986 is an older term that means showing off
@thhseeking2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the B52 pilot showing off and sliding that bomber straight to the ground :(
@skipgetelman34182 жыл бұрын
Glad we trained the dangerous maneuvers in simulators by the time my career began
@robertjonas62162 жыл бұрын
Did they ever find the engines that were ripped off?
@SSN5152 жыл бұрын
Just looked up the CAB report. The engines were found in wooded areas, 2 of them about 1 mile away from the crash site, and the remaining engine was about 1/2 mile from the crash site. Says the pylons were still attached to each engine.
@Supersean00012 жыл бұрын
The pylon/nacelle attach structure was one of the weaker points of the 707 design. There was a slew of Boeing Service Bulletins (and FAA ADs) on those areas, and they always got a lot of inspection, maintenance, and just general TLC back when I used to work on 707s as a mechanic.
@robertjonas62162 жыл бұрын
It’s fascinating. I live in Washington and travel past the Boeing plants In Everett and Renton. As an aviation geek, nothing gives me a bigger thrill than seeing all the new planes lined up in various states of construction. And to think of the 1000’s of aircraft that have been manufactured in these very buildings throughout the years. Some of them tragically destroyed like the one in this video.
@SSN5152 жыл бұрын
@@Supersean0001 Cool. Wasn't Braniff rated as the most unsafe airline maintenance wise and safety wise back in the day? I seem to recall seeing that somewhere. Actually, I think the Smothers Brothers used to "joke" about sentencing Government Officials to fly on their planes.
@drakbar59572 жыл бұрын
BN ordered five 220 models, but never replaced the one that crashed. They were the only airline that bought the 220.
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
bn?
@jamesclendon48112 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK Yeah, BN. Anybody as clever as you think you are should be able to figure it out.
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesclendon4811 What did you do with the time you saved not typing raiff?
@JosephStalin-yk2hd2 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK get a Life, grammar nazi.
@ronparrish6666 Жыл бұрын
It had the 320,s engines that,s why they called the 220 a hotrod
@psalm2forliberty5772 жыл бұрын
Love that 1959 Braniff Livery. Take screenshots ? Pictures of these early beautiful 707s On the runway with support vehicles at 8:10 By itself on runway 8:38 In flight, black & white 9:10 Click the blue timestamps it takes you there 😂
@charlesschneiter51596 ай бұрын
Late to the sow, but anyway: To correct a dutch roll _never ever_ use the aileron but gentle rudder inputs instead. For a Boeing test pilot to do such a ham fisted thing as described here is to me almost incomprehensible... Thanks Allec for another very instructive and very well done video! Charles ATPL ret.
@surferdude444442 жыл бұрын
“Well if Tex can do a Barrel Roll, then I can do a Dutch Roll!”
@HunterPeale2 жыл бұрын
i recently read an excellent article about the making of Dr. Strangelove (or how i quit worrying and learned to love the bomb) and there was mention of an insane test pilot who successfully rolled a 707. it might have been in 'the atlantic' where i read that
@steven-nb6rt2 жыл бұрын
The man who designed and built the 707 flew and rolled the airplane successfully in the area of Manhattan Island, New York. He was told by the FAA not to do that again. The 707 is a great airplane and is still being used as a KC135 refueler.
@getsmarter54122 жыл бұрын
There’s video on KZfaq of that!
@stevegiboney44932 жыл бұрын
@@steven-nb6rt wrong… it was a test pilot for Boeing named Alvin “Tex” Johnston and it was rolled over lake Washington in seattle over the Gold Cup Hydroplane races during Seafair. And the FAA didn’t say anything, the FAA wasn’t created yet.
@HunterPeale2 жыл бұрын
@@getsmarter5412 of the 707 rolling?
@steven-nb6rt2 жыл бұрын
@@stevegiboney4493 you are right about the Seattle area. The FAA did tell him at one time not to do that again. It was a youtube video.
@derbagger222 жыл бұрын
I suddenly want a cinnamon roll...
@wallochdm1 Жыл бұрын
In the book "Growing Up Boeing", Rebecca Wallick (daughter of Boeing test pilot Lew Wallick) has an in-depth account of this accident and how Baum didn't like to play by the rules.
@flybyairplane35282 жыл бұрын
Always loves the B707, I sat Rt seat in a B720, in the BRITISH SYSTEM, but I was kissed off with a medical, pissed off was mild, I had to surrender my license OUCH ! Took up a trade instead. eventually in USA I got a PPL, , CHERIO 🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@mbvoelker84482 жыл бұрын
Every now and then you get an incident where test pilots appear to forget that it's possible for the plane to fail the test.
@dblack26302 жыл бұрын
Agreed! You'd think they'd keep design strength in mind while flying a jet without ejection seats, right? And this wasn't even supposed to be a test flight.
@bullseyes19832 жыл бұрын
It is not usual to see a crash were the responsibility is so clear and lies in just one person: Baum. He was even warned before the fatal test. And the crash conclusion barely changed anything, since the limitations were clear.
@billmorris26132 жыл бұрын
Good morning to all from SE Louisiana 17 Jun 22.
@turyjordan38279 ай бұрын
Planes don’t kill people, pilots do.
@07willows Жыл бұрын
Great video. I hadn't heard of this crash previously. I find it unbelievable that this test pilot was flying recklessly and dangerously with a member of the FAA aboard, and with experienced crew members. Totally unnecessarily killed innocent people. Regards. Derek C.
@bobmillerick3002 жыл бұрын
Bubba, hold my beer. Lets see if i can rip the engines off this plane.
@debrawucik826 Жыл бұрын
I remember my dad talking about this...he was an aeronautical engineer.
@outwiththem2 жыл бұрын
I bet they were not using the rudders at all to recover from a steep dutch roll and used full aileron instead and he stalled it from lack of coordination. Seen many commercial jet pilots with weak rudder use. Most jet pilots cant recover safely from a spin after they produced it. Just like here. After stalling it and nose went down, they pulled too much elevator and exceeded the 6 G's limitations via Panic Pull. That ripped off the engines. Im a CFI.
@mambagr Жыл бұрын
On these jets the dutch roll recovery was ailerons ONLY.
@creeper86472 жыл бұрын
Red flag right off the bat. Boeing captain was thirty-two, with a whopping five thousand hours. Fifty-eight seconds in I smell trouble.
@reltney202 жыл бұрын
It’s funny as in the piston pilot world, the Dutch roll is a incorrectly named maneuver known properly as a coordination exercise . Dutch roll is primarily a swept wing instability. If your plane doesn’t have swept wings, it’s not a Dutch roll.
@Atlantis_Lord26602 жыл бұрын
Reason it was called Ripped Apart: 7:04 The back if the plane is ripped apart
@peterlovett58412 жыл бұрын
So many of these early jet crashes were due to a lack of knowledge of the handling of swept wing jet aircraft. When you see the trainee captain had in excess of 23,000 hours you can just about guarantee that it was all on piston engine straight wing aircraft whose handling characteristics are monumentally different to the first generation jet transports.
@morry199652 жыл бұрын
True - but he didnt cause the upset that lead to this disaster
@peterlovett58412 жыл бұрын
@@morry19965 Agreed but I doubt the Boeing pilot had that much swept wing experience either. It was at the time a whole new world and most experience in aviation is gained with blood.
@trent38722 жыл бұрын
Anybody want any Dutch Rolls? Fresh out of the oven.
@j.k49842 жыл бұрын
@@thiswasnoboakingaccident6368 Diniz in the Oven
@JosephStalin-yk2hd2 жыл бұрын
How is this relevant to the video?
@trent38722 жыл бұрын
@@JosephStalin-yk2hd It was Dutch rolls that tore the engines off, keep up.
@JosephStalin-yk2hd2 жыл бұрын
@@trent3872 you were talking about food, but I guess you had include that because it was in the video.
@jasguy27152 жыл бұрын
What was going through the pilot's mind to do a 60% role.
@georgeconway4360 Жыл бұрын
Are you talking about a 60 degree roll?
@jasguy2715 Жыл бұрын
@@georgeconway4360 yup, I made a typo
@TheEDFLegacy2 жыл бұрын
I wonder why they didn't have everyone _except_ the pilot to the back? The person in the flight engineer seat didn't have to be there... at that point, they were so close to landing, there was nothing they could have done. Same could be argued for the co-pilot, but I don't know how hard it was to control in the final moments.
@martynh54102 жыл бұрын
I only flew in a 707 once (as a passenger). Transatlantic flight JFK to LHR in 1980. Seemed like a great plane but a little noisy.
@virginiaviola50972 жыл бұрын
That’s a really beautiful aircraft. Gorgeous lines. Too bad the instructor pilot was a show off.
@davef.28112 жыл бұрын
@1:20, what are all those switches, etc, on the LR cockpit wall? Never seen anything like that in an actual 707.
@jirkaszabo2 жыл бұрын
I flew the 707 in 60s from Europe to JFK airport,still around today,
@apriltorres3684 Жыл бұрын
I have a couple of questions regarding this flight and eventual crash. In 1959 did airplanes have voice cockpit and flight recorders? How was the information obtained on what was going on in the cockpit if the recorders weren't put in yet. Why would a co-pilot do such dangerous stunt's and the pilot not doing anything about it. I think the video said there were 10 people on board but I'm not sure how many survived ? Rest in peace 🕊️ to all that perished on this plane.
@muffs55mercury612 жыл бұрын
Admittedly the jet age did get off to a rocky start. Sometimes it was bugs in the plane and sometimes pilots never transitioned from piston engines to jets very well. In this case I felt it was plain stupid to try and exceed the jet's limits.
@70slandshark472 жыл бұрын
Muff, I agree that it is the beginning of the jet age and the bugs have to be worked out. I think what was the major contribution to this crash was the transformation from piston driven to jet engine. It's a whole different ballgame. The test pilot should have followed the limitations set by the engineers. It was 1959 and the jet age would open up a whole new world.
@muffs55mercury612 жыл бұрын
@@70slandshark47 The piston engined airliners have always been my favorite plane and as a kid got to fly on one a couple of times in the early 1960s (the DC-6 was still in service until about 1965-66 and the DC7 & Constellations until 1967 ) Many went into charter work after and we'd go to the airport back then doing plane spotting and often found some pristine examples there still flying . I miss that.
@Ryu14782 жыл бұрын
Allec, When will you do more Music Videos????
@maxrichter61642 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who reads the general information text in my head with voice of Jonathan Ares (ACI Narrator)?
@fleetwin12 жыл бұрын
I realize that the pilot exceeded limitations, but wondering if boeing beefed up the engine mounts anyway, hope so
@errorsofmodernism97152 жыл бұрын
the mounts are designed purposfully to break away so a wing is not torn off
@fleetwin12 жыл бұрын
@@errorsofmodernism9715 Guess that makes sense
@wallochdm1 Жыл бұрын
Short Man Syndrome. Pretty amazing they stayed aloft for as long as they did,
@kevinmalone32102 жыл бұрын
What was wrong with the chief test pilot? This guy showed a lack of making good judgment calls and caused the aircraft to crash. At least not everyone died.
@tommyjoseph62412 жыл бұрын
Very good
@clqudy4750 Жыл бұрын
So in the instance of ditching, survivability is greatest if you're in the back of the plane? Good to know
@MightyMezzo2 жыл бұрын
“Whaddiya say guys, impromptu air show?”
@baraxor2 жыл бұрын
"Lemme show you what these new jets can do!"
@smartysmarty17142 жыл бұрын
Baum with his 5K hours wanted to impress his superiors. That didn't work out very well...
@judymotto742 жыл бұрын
Allec💯❤️
@ldakotatransplant64852 жыл бұрын
Ego. It's deadly.
@MikeBrown-ex9nh2 жыл бұрын
Yet again, another needless aviation tragedy due to pilot error.
@patriciamariemitchel2 жыл бұрын
A customer guarantee and acceptance training flight. If this is how they test cars no wonder they fall apart so fast. 🤨
@BudTheDrummer2 жыл бұрын
I think showing off with your "product" is sketchy at best. Are Pilots qualified on simulators when flying an unfamiliar aircraft?
@georgeconway4360 Жыл бұрын
Do you think they had simulators those days?
@felixbaxter3522 жыл бұрын
I guess the plane was not accepted by Braniff?
@paulazemeckis7835 Жыл бұрын
Well airline pilots in my book are heroes whether or not they encounter any emergencies in their careers. Not sure why the pilot who crashed the 707 didn't respect the design limits of the plane. I miss open doors to the flight decks and the pilots standing outside the flight decks with hats on graciously bidding farewell to the pax while deplanning.