Yeah but we live in a time where a Jeep Rubicon cost over $90,000

Hummer EV has 15.9!

@@IIXxSLAYERxXIIthat’s not a suv.

@@nathanrobertson3349 same clearance

Tesla Cybertruck has 17.44 inches of ground clearance... A Range Rover (which everyone seems to talk about) has only 11 inches.

Thank you for the kind words.

R1S is much smaller thsn those. Its more like a Grand Cherokee L in size.

I think it is not attractive at all haha much prefer the truck

@@TreyJustice I am a truck guy always , but do prefer my trucks to look like a have been I would take the R1T over that fugly TESLA cybertruck ugh I prefer a truck to look like a truck over the decades I do not think we are ready for the likes of the Cybertruck not for a few years yet.

@@TreyJustice The truck doesn't have nearly the balanced look as the SUV. I'll admit I sometimes don't give trucks much chance because such a large ratio of pickup truck drivers don't use the back for anything more than a tossed empty pepsi can and a dirty rag. This truck looks good, but better than the SUV? Maybe for those who just like pickups and had their heart set on one before knowing the SUV was coming.

Rivian told me directly that PPF factory option is coming.

RJ Rivian

@@andresmirnov3940 Congrats on the scoop, then! Let us know if they gave you any more info -- particularly timing. Any additional detail at all, however small, would be news to us.

I dropped my R1T off yesterday at the service center for some touch up paint. They offered PPF as a way to protect it going forward. Will be added in tomorrow hopefully

Im getting it on my Blue R1S

Anything else?

They haven’t announced any new products officially after the R1T & R1S, but my gut tells me your request is exactly what will be coming out of their Georgia factory.

@@fpartidafpartida yeah it's kind of a logic step to maximize the gains in this platform for me

@@davidgomesdonascimento5463 that means a smaller battery. There wont be a short model.

The Rivian trucks did not feel super heavy on this type of trail, but we didn't do difficult rock crawling.

These first Rivian models seems over-engineered.

@@Rew123 Check our Munro Live. They took the R1T apart and said it is built like a more expensive vehicle.

@@scottmohrman I'll wait until they shave a couple thousand lbs off it

Truck also can be selected with the optional bigger battery SUV base is shorter can not be selected with the max battery-pack, and while the truck cover bed can have it's issue getting very easy stuck another cheaper option is the manual bed-cover (but so far i did not see too many people getting or review a truck with that option so yeah maybe latter), the SUV has no such problems but also does not have the extra space of adventure tunnel for cooking, table to power different tools and the SUV do not feature a full spare wheel only the mandatory useless flat kit.. the truck has a full spare under a cover in the bed, so for all things considered truck is more practical & useful that is why that would be my choice, SUV is just for more people..

@@poplaurentiu4148 I really like the fact that the R1S is about the same length and my 2001 Yukon (which is about the same length and the current Explorer). The longer current Yukon I like with the Duramax. But this is a better-sized option. But what I'd really like to know is whether the two-motor version with the bigger battery yields a 400+ mile range. And what would the cost be?

@@poplaurentiu4148 That's what I don't see more people talking about: the truck has features better suited to off-roading/adventuring-gear tunnel, full-sized spare-but the SUV has the rock guard/plate underneath, the better departure & breakover angles, and shorter wheelbase. I don't understand why they did that.

@@MadLadsAnonymous Both pick-up & SUV have the optional adventure pack that add hooks front & rear, the full rock guard plate underneath to protect the battery and off-road wheels.. For those who likes SUV with 2more seats, shorter wheelbase with better rear departure angle is ok but the extra utility of truck is much better, has 5 seats for most people for daily use in Europe very few travel daily with 7 people +the pick-up have more practicality in weekend adventure trips with the extra spaces optional features.. R1T already proved it's off-road capabilities, so each customer will choose based on budget & what they really need for themselves.

Trailhawk is better by a mile. The Rivians fail at sending power to the wheels with traction. Just watch Kyle's video on Out Of Spec Reviews.

Yep

Agree

I was in the same boat (really disliked them)…..but they are kind of growing on me. I tried to picture the Range Rover lights or the Toyota 4 Runner lights on it (some of my favorite ones), but these trucks would loose their unique design language if they did that.

I like them well enough.

Those aren’t real

@UCa7OH2a1XkRjg5NPwK04AGQ hey im all about the back to the future throwback looking truck but those aren’t real things so how could they possibly answer when they will review them?

​@@mattbrew11 Not real yet. And it is super simple. They know if they have those prototypes in their purview or not. So they could say never. They could say once the prototypes are press released. They could say when they are officially made. Perhaps the better question would be, do they plan on reviewing them...

Not seeing it in my configurator. I just checked.

Call ur guide. Im getting it on my R1S (old pricing thank god)

The wheelbase is 14 shorter on R1S and overall the R1S is 17 inches shorter.

@@andresmirnov3940 Thanks Andre!

i would go R1S. It literally looks like a real 4X4 SUV!!

what series tho?

@@jonlosito2004 like 2.6 tons vs

Agreed. But I don’t think an 800 horsepower, 3 second 0-60, luxury SUV with fantastic off-road capabilities, is intended for/aimed at the entry-level buyer.

It is called a Chevy Bolt. List price of $25,600.

These aren’t entry level vehicles.

the Volkswagen eGolf exists 😂😂

Manufacturing economics 101 is why. Brand new products are expensive to research, design, and develop. As you scale production, revenues, buying power, etc. prices can come down.

@@chavira2009 I think I would get the paint protection film but it's a massive difference in price based on what you do.

Theres way more vehicle involved. r1S is $3800 for all according to my rep on my order

I wouldn't be surprised if they drive one from Southern Argentina to LA...

@@Kulric Exactly!!! People should watch 'A Long Way Up'.

It’s perfectly reasonable for you to make decisions based on your budget. But what comparable alternative is there to the R1S? The only three row electric SUV currently available is a Model X, which has none of the off-road capabilities, has less power, lower quality materials, and starts at around $120k. Even if you were to consider ICE alternatives, what other three row SUV has similar performance (both in terms of power and off-road capabilities), same level of luxury, and at a similar price range? $70k was an absolute steal! Even at $90k it’s still a very good value (albeit obviously only for people who can afford it).

@@chungachguk, it's not a budget issue, it's an issue of how I value the vehicle. For 90k I wouldn't have anything other than a Land Cruiser. Dead reliable for decades and just as capable as the R1S. There's too many question marks with it being so new. In 20 years if rivian is still around and have proven themselves to be at the same level as Land Cruiser/ LX then I think they'll be selling great but if they're getting junked in 10-12 years because of dead/dying battery packs they're going to have problems selling them new to anyone looking to keep it longer than 3-4 years because once they're older than that no one is going to want to pay for it on the used market knowing it will be headed to the recycle in only another 5 years or so.

@@theinternets7516 It remains to be seen how reliable the new Land Cruisers will be (and if you are in the US, there will be no new Land Cruiser). Furthermore, while Land Cruiser is equally capable off-road, no way it compares to the R1S in everyday driving (either by options available or pure exhilaration in driving). Land Cruiser is also significantly less efficient (13 city/18 highway for the 2019 model). The fears of having to replace the battery are also significantly overblown. The warranty is for 8 years/150k miles, and if Tesla’s batteries are any indication, they’ll easily last into 300k-400k with minimum deterioration. Considering the relative simplicity of the drive train, even if you have to replace the battery every 10 years (at $20k-$25k; will likely be much cheaper as the system is optimized), it’ll effectively become a brand new truck, where as the technology in the Land Cruiser will age).

Im sure you'd be on the + side of the depreciating scale simply due to the resale market already being up.

@@triedproven9908 Yeah… seems similar to buying an OLED TV from 2017 with 10K hours on it; no real value any longer and antiquated tech.

You can easily answer the question by looking at used Tesla prices.

@@Kulric I believe that’s temporary, I’m looking 5 years out from current models.

You may have to look at Ford, they were working on an EV "crate motor", but I haven't heard anything about it lately. Chevy may do the same.

i know the GX is the best luxury off roader, but the Rivians are the cool new EV trucks. I do agree with yr statement tho..

Should have kept it. The issues are minimal due to the relativly straight forward design. Had you decided to get rid of it after you would have an appreciating resale for sure.

@@triedproven9908 They are new.. You can't tell me what "issues" there are or are not, yet lol... Buying a new vehicle from a new company is risky enough.. EV technology is not up to my adventure needs.. I need to be able to fix certain issues, on the trail and carry extra fuel... I can't do that with an EV

You could have made $30k-$50k+ profit reselling it to someone who is more confident in the technology and reliability. R1T’s are selling for $130k+ on the secondary market.

@@baer19741 True, but I don't want to scalp someone lol.. The Rivian looks amazing, but we have our daily drivers (which are also light off roaders), plus we have 2 dedicated overlanders.. We just have no use for the Rivian, at this time.... TBH, our reservation was made on pure hype. I'm still interested, and was going to get the R1S, if my husband liked the R1T.. I just want to see how reliable they turn out to be, and how repairs are handled, over the long term.

@@lunamaria1048 Fair enough. I'm gonna take a chance on the first generation R1S. That being said, I'm not planning on doing any serious, long-distance overlanding where I'll be far away from civilization, so that's not factoring into my decision. Off-roading, yes.

not the lightning f 150

or RPMS

Where is it

It is an option.

You’re spot on if that was the only use case. For me the appeal of the vehicle is that not only can it go off-road (to get to awesome mountain bike locations), but it’s a practical daily driver (cheap fuel and maintenance), a family wagon with room for 7 and it’s a beast for speed and cornering with supercar torque and McLaren suspension.

I need in-town towing, meaning under 100 miles, and not leaving town. This works better than equivalent gas/diesel vehicles for that sort of application. More stable and more power. And it takes 15 seconds to plug in at night- much less time than going to gas station to fill up.

@@baer19741 special case, when people tow, they generally go 50 plus miles

@@mblake0420 No doubt that diesel/gas is better for long-distance due to the additional time and planning it takes to recharge an electric vehicle on the road, at least with current technology and infrastructure with charging stations. But for farmers, landscapers, local haulers, contractors, and the like who need to tow equipment or materials relatively locally-- there are a lot of people/companies that fit this description-- a Rivian or Ford Lighting (especially with the a/c power options that can power tools, or even a whole jobsite or house) becomes very compelling. Cost is high, but not really higher than similarly equipped trucks, especially when taking into account cost of fuel over a 5 or 10 year period.

@@baer19741 except those trucks are around for 40 years and ain't no battery gonna last half that

Battery warranty is 175,000 miles, as is the drivetrain. Tesla batteries are showing only a 10% degradation after 160,000 miles. Many fewer moving parts in EV's that will need maintenance & replacement over time compared to ICE vehicles. Plus, easier to swap out batteries than engines, so I disagree with you there.

Do you mean a Land Rover? If so, I did price out a Defender 110 and tried to get it comparable to the R1S offering (horsepower, panoramic roof, Meridian sound system, etc). It was well above $110,000 and it still fell short of the Rivian capabilities. Not to mention Rivian comes with a 150,000 mile or 8 year drivetrain warranty (which includes the battery) from the factory and Land Rover wanted an additional $10,000 for a 100k mile or 3 year extended warranty. Oh, almost forgot…Rivian qualifies for the $7,500 Federal tax break which is not insignificant.

@@fpartidafpartida Yep, great comment, in response to another poorly informed one. If you are one of the lucky ones who got the pre-order pricing, it's even better.

@@fpartidafpartida And that’s not including the fuel savings from not having to pay for gas.

Land Rovers break down all the time tho😂😂