Toyota gives you el cheapo Falken tires, while Rivian gives you premium Pirelli tires. I try to buy the best tires which are Michelin, Pirellii

Traditional dealers like toyota currently markup $5k-30k over MSRP. Rivian will also save $7500 federal tax credit, and save 2/3 of gas costs.

ALL Toyota products' faces have a GIANT UGLY GRILLE

@@mrpmj00 rivian PR is working over time huh

Does onX works in Canada? Specifically Ontario?

Giving out range can be misleading sometimes. Battery percentage would have been better. Cars recalculate range based on usage.

I dont disagree but for conversations sake what % of snow driving is skill/experience?

Think Citroen's DS with AWD just the Rivian doesnt have the aerodynamics but thats the next step in Trucks ...if you are serious about keeping them and using them everyday. Big high square fronts are bad news left overs from ICE engines and actually bad news offroad as you cannot see over the ridiculously long and high front. The Rivians tech and skateboard chassis can fitted to any body shape. On the Rivian Drop your tyre pressures ...and set it to rock crawler ... Slowly slowly.. but better fit snow chains or ropes. A simple screen showing wheel grip /slip display or sound effect would help keep the driver informed about slip v grip... Low speed 4 wheel steer activation might also move the Rivian away from a hazard when slippage puts it hard up a against a threat or ice step in front of its wheel. Once your on wet ice ...ordinary tyre grip and ABS are an illusion ive seen vehicles reversed of a drive onto an ice covered hill road and the vehicle slide sideways top to bottom. 😬 Only ice spikes work ....sort of.🤞🏼but once a slide begins gravity takes over from available friction.

@Rusty Man +1 portal axles on hummers (H1, military humvees)

price is a turnoff….$100k plus

@@landonmorel3715 Thats a problem with all modern high end vehicles, Its one along with the supply of materials and over sophistication that will be the undoing of the personal Car/Truck market. A bit like the mobile phone/IT market....and thats no longer acceptable design behaviour globally.🤷🏻‍♂️

@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 The reason trucks have the monoblock front grill design is partly focus groups but mostly pedestrian crash rules. In the 80s and 90s mfrs were moving towards more aerodynamic noses and overall designs. Cars had significantly more aero designs with lower noses also. Then regulators complained of pedestrian safety, and focus groups said the trucks were looking car-like. The nose design has very little to do with ICE limitations.

Hopefully they don’t go too far in the woods without a charging station nearby……

@@drewfeld836 it has a range of 314 miles, i doubt you will be off roading for that long

@@couchpotatoes5158 True, but will there be a charging station nearby an off-roading location? Probably unlikely.

@@drewfeld836 who knows, maybe in the future there will be. And if they truly start shipping their 400+ mile battery pack, they won’t really be necessary.

@@couchpotatoes5158 I can't wait for that day. If they had solid state batteries today, I would be all in!

Yeah costumers tend to just stay at the sewing machine.

My Rivian never leaves the kitchen.

That's why I watch TFL. They are living my dream. I wouldn't watch a channel to see a fat guy in a sweet Ram 1500 Bighorn go back and forth to work and never go off road

98%

If it can’t do extremes then Rivian just same as status symbols like the Hummer H2 Poser.

It is a problem I have noticed of TFL that thy dont put propper tyres on.

Exactly. A mud tire is not the same as a winter tire.

Just like sand

God, just a 100 foot dirt road at 40 psig is horrible. They could easily get a pain free system to air back up. Takes me like 2 minutes with my CO2 system to go from 20 to 37 psig.

@@KTMcaptain the rivian has a compressor mounted in the side of the bed to air up tires.

It was at 47psi thank you. lol

This was driving me crazy 😜

100%. A tiny bit bigger than a Ranger/Tacoma but much smaller than f150. They’re definitely midsize with half ton towing capability(we’ll see).

It's is midsized for sure my dude!

And still over 7,000lbs! Midsize footprint with one ton weight

I see that as a definite plus. I hate how big the full sized trucks are

And zero emissions from the rivian. The tundra does terrible on the carbon index.

fr, this exact tundra with better tires, or just the stock trd pro, would do great on this terrain. they’re expecting it to behave like a baja truck without even putting the right tires. but either way, both trucks are great, id go for the tundra tho

I think they use the stock tires on purpose, to show what the normal everyday joe would be using, still super frustrating to watch and kind a lame lol

It’s just the truth and factual using tires that the factory installed

There’s been plenty of videos with Roman and Andre. Not sure what you are talking about here, also Nathan isn’t in the video so the original team isn’t even in the video

That’s right…too stiff breaks traction.

I don't think the lower ride height setting would allow more wheel travel/shock travel. I think the rock setting simply sets the truck up with more clearance beneath, but the suspension articulates the same as the standard setting. So no particular improvement, except clearance.

Agreed. If I had the money for a Rivian I would buy one.

Just not the price tag

Most exciting ev yet, for me.

Maybe just wider? Heavy truck on pizza cutters. Especially that they look aggressive enough and 3 snowflakes on it.

The Rivian is using EV rated all terrains to keep rolling resistance as low as possible to preserve it's range. With those tires it's range is 10-15% less than a Rivian on street tires. I fear that putting on more aggressive tires will really hurt range significantly. Still... the RT1 is impressive so far.

@@chrisjohnson3912 you could have street wheels set and off-road set. Just swap them when going into woods

You might tow a little trailer for 50 miles before the battery runs out

Yup, but range issue. Everything I would mod to make it better offroad I suspect about 230 miles max range. Of course you’ll probably charge to about 90%. So I’ll likely have a bit 200 miles of range. Probably actually less cause I live by the Sammy Hagar principle- and it’s mountain interstates to get to my offroad spots. Then I’ll have to deal with the range degradation from offroading. Just not practical for me.

They don't install anything on any vehicles unless it's specifically a build rig, like when they were going to do the trans-America offroad series. Everything that they do is OEM standard testing to make it fair. If they did snow tires, why wouldn't they just put K02s on everything? Because it's not representative of what the Manufacturers sell.

@@Wolfsbane1100 ya, but, in the real world, if you're driving in snow or sub freezing weather, you SHOULD be putting snow tires on.

@@calmic75 But realistically thats not what people do… People run what the manufacture provides.

@@threepac possibly. In my Canadian snowy neck of the woods, snow tires are the norm. All seasons are the minority. There's usually a insurance discount as well. In fact in two pronvinces, snow tires are mandatory. In some provinces snow tires are the difference between life and death.

@@calmic75 You should have seen how hilarious Toronto was on Jan 17th during the 2ish feet of snow we got. People with All Season tires couldn't go anywhere for a few days and they were getting stuck everywhere, even on the smallest hills. Meanwhile, I was bombing around just fine with my snow tires. I grew up 5 hours north so it's habit to invest in Snows. Anyone with All Seasons wouldn't last long without them each winter. I was passing stuck Trucks, SUVs, Busses and cars all day without issues lol.

This is all about sizes and tires the rivian is much smaller with better tires.

@@joeyplace1879 a

The tundra is not really designed as a true off-roader It's an on-road pickup truck with some tires and a little suspension mods. The Rivian is definitely built to be an off-roader. One concern for me would be what happens when you come down on a pointy rock in the middle of the battery pack? Tesla Model 3 that I saw on a dash cam video recently ran over a sharp rock on the interstate about the size of your fist. Car in front of him hit it it tumbled and it just bounced down the bottom of his Tesla Model 3. Punctured the battery pack in some way, or caused some kind of damage, the car was still drivable. But it gave him a battery warning light, he took it to Tesla they said it needed an entire new pack and his insurance company wrote off the car. I would hope Rivian put some significant armor on the bottom of it.

Definitely

The tundra was behind the times the day they redesigned it

Personally, I'd rather be old school mechanical everything (hubs, lever), or full electronic (including the drive system) like the Rivian. The push-button actuated mechanical 4wd seems the least certain to me.

It's always 4wd by default.

@@BAYAREAMX I see you 😂😂

This is definitely kind of crazy. Just to save a few bucks?

Didn't need tow hooks, I believe Tommy would have been a great help.

@@jayrichards3672 there is one on the front axle hidden hidden . They should look for it

@@jd2plus2 I can't think of a situation where I need Recovery hooks. They are so many different options.

Nah. 99.9% will never see more off-road than a gravel road lol. Half ton trucks live a life of a minivans these days

Yea, I hope they also come down in price, but if you think about what you're getting it's quite a bargain. You're getting supercar acceleration levels with awesome offroad ability in a truck that costs less (R1T Explore Package $60K after $7500 tax credits) than a Tesla Model Y Performance ($64k). Rivian also beat the Model Y Performance on their drag tests. So for what you're getting, it's a pretty good value, but I do wish it was cheaper, so I can jump into one too, hahaha.

Its at 56

@@ZgmfxO9A LoL no, the one in the video is 75k$. The base model 56k$ does not and will not exist for quite some time.

Yeah, a lot of that snow looked like it was sitting on top of ice which would be a challenge for any vehicle.

280 minus 208 is about 3/4 of range left, so also used a 1/4.

And yes it most likely did gain a few miles of range on the way down.

@@andyd5492 They said they both started full so, 280 was likely the initial estimated range on the computer. So, with 206 left, it's just under 1/3 of the potential range used.

@@AkioWasRight 72 / 280 = 25.7%. Much closer to 1/4 as Andy D said than 1/3. Am I missing something?

@@jamesbeaman6337 Again, they said both trucks started full. For the Rivian, with a full charge, the potential range is 314 miles, so 206 is roughly 1/3 the consumption. What would be best to know is the battery percentage, just like you'd want to know the fuel level. Is the computer just estimating 206 miles, or did it actually go through 1/3 the battery charge. That's what I would want to know, not the vehicle's computer estimates.

Want to say it's similar in size to a current ranger yet weighs like in like an f350

@@HoStev the current Ranger is way bigger then the old Rangers though and probably is closer to a 1960s to 2007 full size also.

@@85bigGMC yeah, that's how silly big trucks have become! Every once in a while I will see an old Datsun or VW truck at a car show and they look like a miniature next to current full size trucks. A '95 f150 had 197-235" length and 71" height, under 4k pounds vs the rivian at 200-217"l, ~77"h and 7100lbs

Well, now we have Chevy and Ford. The rest will follow soon.

Why not add a generator in the same way normal truck owners add jerrycans all over their rigs?

True. Only the fact that once this overhyped pos runs out of juice it's going to cost you a fortune to recover it out of the wilderness. Evs are a fad . The ICE isn't going anywhere anytime soon

@@Welcometofacsistube maybe both can co-exist, you salty af person

@@AmmarMalik nope. When people start to realize that evs are simply cost ineffective, unreliable and all hype being pushed by "environmentalists" through government regulations, they will go the way of the dodo bird.

@@Welcometofacsistube ‘unreliable’. Sure.

@@Welcometofacsistube what ive heard and seen so far its about the same cost or the EV a bit more expensive to run ,and the EV will only get more expensive down the road. Ill keep my v8 many years

We’re you able to get any footage for your channel? That would be a cool video. Not sure if the TFL crew was down for an impromptu “collab” though.

@@fpartidafpartida No footage. Just said hello. Andre gave me a primer for the towing video they just published. Super cool guy.

Yup, almost stuck the Falken ATW3 on my 4runner, but doing some reading it seems like getting into any "real" snow and especially cold snow, the Blizzaks just kick the AT tire's butt. I'd say any place that has real winter to get real snow tires for sure.

My ATs aren't even snow rated and I have no issues in the deep snow here in Canada. Airing down to about 15 psi gets me a ton of traction

All AT tires are garbage in snow. Especially on normal paved roads in winter conditions with ice spots and compacted snow.

@@michalp2362 I went thru snow that was 2.5 ft deep with no issues on my ATs. Obviously actual snow rated tires will do better but to say all ATs are garbage in the snow says more about your driving ability than the tires

@@adventureswithbear your probably did it in some kind of off road situation with fresh fluffy snow. However, all AT tires suck in on-road winter conditions with their poor directional and braking performance especially at higher speeds

Yes watching him slip constantly approaching the staircase in the Tundra I was thinking the exact same thing. I pass people with "M&S" tires in 4wd/awd vehicles in winter in my RWD Model 3 with proper studded winter tires every year on my steep side road to my house.

You mean Bronco vs Rivian R1T 🤔 if is that that’s be interesting, not matter what they are pickup or SUV just his capabilities off road right?

The raptor bronco

Very true. With the MASSIVE inaccuracy I usually find gas gauges to have, the Rivian may well have used less.

Glad I checked comments before posting. Good catch. Sure it was quick math on their part, but it was while making a direct comparison

They said both were full, so 280 is likely the estimated range on the computer. At 208, that is roughly 1/3 the potential range. What would be best to know is the battery percentage, just like a fuel tank. If it used 1/3 the battery or not, that's what I would want to know.

Nerve *wracking*

@@RPotter95 Eventually, it will wreck your nerves.

It’s ok, he’s a real Chad

I imagine that If the TFL guys actually managed to trash his wheels, Rivian would replace it. I mean he really is taking one for the company. Chad clearly believes.

I agree 100%

Any 1500. Or light duty truck

They haven’t done any long range towing testing.

I would say exceed in some cases.

Or even an air down

The Tacoma sacrifices rear passenger space for bed length (up to a 6' bed with crew cab).

@@stephenj4937 the 6' bed crew cab has a longer wheelbase though. Makes up a very small percentage of tacoma sales since most people go for a full size at that point.

The Rivian has a 4.5 foot bed. Might as well compare a Maverick, if we're using truck standards.

Lol scorpions are garbage

which they could've done on the rivian because it comes with a built in compressor!

It’s trash.

@@wint_62 the facts dont care about your incorrect opinions, wint.

@@HarryKuloh They can't get themselves. Facts haven't been allowed since 2016.

It won't be so impressive when the air system breaks.

@@AkioWasRight Lolllllllllllllll. Some people are never happy. Grinch vibes.

I think they already have some sound options?

Yeah that was my initial concern with the air suspension. When it's at full ride height it's super stiff with no flex, which is the opposite of what you want when you're off-roading. But then if you bring it down you lose ground clearance. To date I don't know of any electric rigs with coilover suspension and it doesn't seem like you can do much in the way of modding to the Rivian.

Divide 206 by 280 and you actually are at about 1/4 of the charge. They were just winging the guestimate on the fly but that makes your electric cost even better. Sweet! :)

$3 vs $28 where I live.

What is the tank size on the Tundra? Even if were a large capacity tank, it would only cost you about $25-$30 to fill up with the nation average price for fuel. So, either you pay an unholy amount for fuel, or your numbers are off.

@@AkioWasRight google says tundra has a 38gallon tank. 1/4 tank is close to 10 gallons, and gas around here is over $4/gal.

@@cypvh74 The Tundra most definitely does not have a 38 gallon tank. The standard capacity is 22 gallons, but I believe there is an optional larger tank. But again, it is not 38 gallons.

Fun fact with no power no way to refuel happens all the time and you have a snowbank decoration

@@lutomson3496 fun fact. Going back down the mountain. The R1T can put back in the battery up to 30-50% of the energy it used going up

@@USUG0 fun fact a hybrid will do the same and keep going without searching for a plug in..havent seen these guys looking for charging stations and all the problems they had in the past with them

@@lutomson3496 not with the same efficiency or power.

@@USUG0 no power with an electric car =useless vehicle period as i live in an unreliable area..city slickers yes rural no

Or even lower the psi.

@@iamanamerican2583 👍🏼

your mistake is pretending to know that nothing will improve.

Future Battery tech will eventually allow much more range and faster recharge times!

@@EV3NTH888 your mistake is pretending that he said "I know" instead of "I think"

@@thepianist7084 that's not a mistake, thinking or knowing things won't improve is ridiculous. look at literally everything in engineering. it's always improving.

@@EV3NTH888 he said "I think" which is different than "I know"

The Rivian R1T will get 74mpge city 66mpge highway and do 314miles on a full charge, you can figure cost saves from those numbers. Note: the numbers are from the EPA not Rivian.