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@mrpmj002 жыл бұрын
Toyota gives you el cheapo Falken tires, while Rivian gives you premium Pirelli tires. I try to buy the best tires which are Michelin, Pirellii
@mrpmj002 жыл бұрын
Traditional dealers like toyota currently markup $5k-30k over MSRP. Rivian will also save $7500 federal tax credit, and save 2/3 of gas costs.
@mrpmj002 жыл бұрын
ALL Toyota products' faces have a GIANT UGLY GRILLE
@jackz41492 жыл бұрын
@@mrpmj00 rivian PR is working over time huh
@emreturkeli2 жыл бұрын
Does onX works in Canada? Specifically Ontario?
@theinternets75162 жыл бұрын
If he started with 280 miles of range and had 206 miles of range left that's only 26% used; basically a quarter. He'll also get some regeneration on the way down the mountain.
@MadMadOne2 күн бұрын
Giving out range can be misleading sometimes. Battery percentage would have been better. Cars recalculate range based on usage.
@Welcometofacsistube2 жыл бұрын
Snow driving is 90% tire and 10% vehicle
@tarzaan2603 Жыл бұрын
I dont disagree but for conversations sake what % of snow driving is skill/experience?
@TheMeanmarine132 жыл бұрын
The rivian underneath reminds me of the humvee with no low hanging diff. That thing has such crazy ground clearance! Haha I have to admit it is really starting to grow on me. Great vid guys
@clivestainlesssteelwomble76652 жыл бұрын
Think Citroen's DS with AWD just the Rivian doesnt have the aerodynamics but thats the next step in Trucks ...if you are serious about keeping them and using them everyday. Big high square fronts are bad news left overs from ICE engines and actually bad news offroad as you cannot see over the ridiculously long and high front. The Rivians tech and skateboard chassis can fitted to any body shape. On the Rivian Drop your tyre pressures ...and set it to rock crawler ... Slowly slowly.. but better fit snow chains or ropes. A simple screen showing wheel grip /slip display or sound effect would help keep the driver informed about slip v grip... Low speed 4 wheel steer activation might also move the Rivian away from a hazard when slippage puts it hard up a against a threat or ice step in front of its wheel. Once your on wet ice ...ordinary tyre grip and ABS are an illusion ive seen vehicles reversed of a drive onto an ice covered hill road and the vehicle slide sideways top to bottom. 😬 Only ice spikes work ....sort of.🤞🏼but once a slide begins gravity takes over from available friction.
@bannedbycommieyoutube5time9202 жыл бұрын
@Rusty Man +1 portal axles on hummers (H1, military humvees)
@landonmorel37152 жыл бұрын
price is a turnoff….$100k plus
@clivestainlesssteelwomble76652 жыл бұрын
@@landonmorel3715 Thats a problem with all modern high end vehicles, Its one along with the supply of materials and over sophistication that will be the undoing of the personal Car/Truck market. A bit like the mobile phone/IT market....and thats no longer acceptable design behaviour globally.🤷🏻♂️
@f1y7rap2 жыл бұрын
@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 The reason trucks have the monoblock front grill design is partly focus groups but mostly pedestrian crash rules. In the 80s and 90s mfrs were moving towards more aerodynamic noses and overall designs. Cars had significantly more aero designs with lower noses also. Then regulators complained of pedestrian safety, and focus groups said the trucks were looking car-like. The nose design has very little to do with ICE limitations.
@simsalb2 жыл бұрын
That Rivian is very impressive on the rocks and snow out there in Colorado and to think it will outrun most sports cars on the drag strip too is amazing!
@drewfeld8362 жыл бұрын
Hopefully they don’t go too far in the woods without a charging station nearby……
@couchpotatoes51582 жыл бұрын
@@drewfeld836 it has a range of 314 miles, i doubt you will be off roading for that long
@drewfeld8362 жыл бұрын
@@couchpotatoes5158 True, but will there be a charging station nearby an off-roading location? Probably unlikely.
@couchpotatoes51582 жыл бұрын
@@drewfeld836 who knows, maybe in the future there will be. And if they truly start shipping their 400+ mile battery pack, they won’t really be necessary.
@drewfeld8362 жыл бұрын
@@couchpotatoes5158 I can't wait for that day. If they had solid state batteries today, I would be all in!
@drivefasternow90712 жыл бұрын
Tires flex when loaded. If you're going to measure a tire's overall diameter, you'll get a closer measurement if you measure horizontally rather than vertically. You're getting a smaller measurement because the loaded part of the tire has squished down.
@RogerM882 жыл бұрын
TFL already doing more off-road than 90% of future costumers will ever do.
@bob154792 жыл бұрын
Yeah costumers tend to just stay at the sewing machine.
@jabronjunklove7602 жыл бұрын
My Rivian never leaves the kitchen.
@bigric51002 жыл бұрын
That's why I watch TFL. They are living my dream. I wouldn't watch a channel to see a fat guy in a sweet Ram 1500 Bighorn go back and forth to work and never go off road
@Harry-uq9qd2 жыл бұрын
98%
@MrMannyhw2 жыл бұрын
If it can’t do extremes then Rivian just same as status symbols like the Hummer H2 Poser.
@vihtoripuurola37752 жыл бұрын
That first challenge is more of a tire issue than 4WD issue. Really like the ground clearance on the Rivian.
@mostert60272 жыл бұрын
It is a problem I have noticed of TFL that thy dont put propper tyres on.
@TroySavary11 ай бұрын
Exactly. A mud tire is not the same as a winter tire.
@5G4R2 жыл бұрын
You know, airing down in the snow does work Its painful watching people attempt any kind of off roading at like 40psi
@ianwatson33152 жыл бұрын
Just like sand
@KTMcaptain2 жыл бұрын
God, just a 100 foot dirt road at 40 psig is horrible. They could easily get a pain free system to air back up. Takes me like 2 minutes with my CO2 system to go from 20 to 37 psig.
@jackgtx4402 жыл бұрын
@@KTMcaptain the rivian has a compressor mounted in the side of the bed to air up tires.
@TheNutzandBoltz2 жыл бұрын
It was at 47psi thank you. lol
@missedyadobalina86192 жыл бұрын
This was driving me crazy 😜
@BLR1GBattlemaster2 жыл бұрын
I've seen quite a few R1T's out here in California, and I'm always surprised by how much smaller they look in real life. Definitely more towards mid-size than a full sized truck. edit: Wow, what a coincidence. I was running through my town and saw a brand new R1T parked, and just around a corner was an F150. It is WAY smaller than the F150.
@kc5102 жыл бұрын
100%. A tiny bit bigger than a Ranger/Tacoma but much smaller than f150. They’re definitely midsize with half ton towing capability(we’ll see).
@LydonLewisDoUbLeZz2 жыл бұрын
It's is midsized for sure my dude!
@demoths2 жыл бұрын
And still over 7,000lbs! Midsize footprint with one ton weight
@tjwatson04032 жыл бұрын
I see that as a definite plus. I hate how big the full sized trucks are
@favioadame82492 жыл бұрын
And zero emissions from the rivian. The tundra does terrible on the carbon index.
@findango2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see the Rivian on proper off roading tires and I think it would be a monster. Amazing truck, very impressive.
@melomarshmelo79532 жыл бұрын
fr, this exact tundra with better tires, or just the stock trd pro, would do great on this terrain. they’re expecting it to behave like a baja truck without even putting the right tires. but either way, both trucks are great, id go for the tundra tho
@nnnnnnnnnick55572 жыл бұрын
I think they use the stock tires on purpose, to show what the normal everyday joe would be using, still super frustrating to watch and kind a lame lol
@paulhunter96132 жыл бұрын
It’s just the truth and factual using tires that the factory installed
@jonjpbm2 жыл бұрын
By the end of this series, we are all going to want to see The Chad. He's famous at this point.
@bradq27692 жыл бұрын
Thanks to the Rivian owner, for letting you guys put that truck through the paces. Loved the log video! Thanks to the Rancher guy too.
@getawaydreamer27242 жыл бұрын
Yes, The original team is back! Love it guys. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy like the first time I found your channel years ago. Love the video.
@border45542 жыл бұрын
There’s been plenty of videos with Roman and Andre. Not sure what you are talking about here, also Nathan isn’t in the video so the original team isn’t even in the video
@MrMottentanz2 жыл бұрын
"In real life... things are actually smaller..." That killed me :P
@nielsdebakker32832 жыл бұрын
A compliant ride gives more traction than a stiff ride. Andre, get out of that 15" rock crawl mode down to 13.1". Still better ground clearance as the tundra...
@firebir112 жыл бұрын
That’s right…too stiff breaks traction.
@matthewpeterson33292 жыл бұрын
I don't think the lower ride height setting would allow more wheel travel/shock travel. I think the rock setting simply sets the truck up with more clearance beneath, but the suspension articulates the same as the standard setting. So no particular improvement, except clearance.
@Johnny_Bee2 жыл бұрын
Great test for both trucks. I really like that Rivian more and more.
@BeaudoinEric2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. If I had the money for a Rivian I would buy one.
@danielgallo912 жыл бұрын
Just not the price tag
@allosaurusfragilis77822 жыл бұрын
Most exciting ev yet, for me.
@aussie2uGA2 жыл бұрын
Seems like the Rivian could handle much more aggressive tires with ease. Cant wait for the towing video!
@MariuszChr2 жыл бұрын
Maybe just wider? Heavy truck on pizza cutters. Especially that they look aggressive enough and 3 snowflakes on it.
@chrisjohnson39122 жыл бұрын
The Rivian is using EV rated all terrains to keep rolling resistance as low as possible to preserve it's range. With those tires it's range is 10-15% less than a Rivian on street tires. I fear that putting on more aggressive tires will really hurt range significantly. Still... the RT1 is impressive so far.
@MariuszChr2 жыл бұрын
@@chrisjohnson3912 you could have street wheels set and off-road set. Just swap them when going into woods
@Breezywindow2 жыл бұрын
You might tow a little trailer for 50 miles before the battery runs out
@dadventuretv25382 жыл бұрын
Yup, but range issue. Everything I would mod to make it better offroad I suspect about 230 miles max range. Of course you’ll probably charge to about 90%. So I’ll likely have a bit 200 miles of range. Probably actually less cause I live by the Sammy Hagar principle- and it’s mountain interstates to get to my offroad spots. Then I’ll have to deal with the range degradation from offroading. Just not practical for me.
@johnshellenberg13832 жыл бұрын
My experience with snowflake rated AT tires is that they're for sure all a step below "real" winter tires. Still surprised that in the snow belt you aren't installing true winter tires on your own fleet. I get the press vehicles are on what they're on...
@Wolfsbane11002 жыл бұрын
They don't install anything on any vehicles unless it's specifically a build rig, like when they were going to do the trans-America offroad series. Everything that they do is OEM standard testing to make it fair. If they did snow tires, why wouldn't they just put K02s on everything? Because it's not representative of what the Manufacturers sell.
@calmic752 жыл бұрын
@@Wolfsbane1100 ya, but, in the real world, if you're driving in snow or sub freezing weather, you SHOULD be putting snow tires on.
@threepac2 жыл бұрын
@@calmic75 But realistically thats not what people do… People run what the manufacture provides.
@calmic752 жыл бұрын
@@threepac possibly. In my Canadian snowy neck of the woods, snow tires are the norm. All seasons are the minority. There's usually a insurance discount as well. In fact in two pronvinces, snow tires are mandatory. In some provinces snow tires are the difference between life and death.
@PerfectlyUselessComment2 жыл бұрын
@@calmic75 You should have seen how hilarious Toronto was on Jan 17th during the 2ish feet of snow we got. People with All Season tires couldn't go anywhere for a few days and they were getting stuck everywhere, even on the smallest hills. Meanwhile, I was bombing around just fine with my snow tires. I grew up 5 hours north so it's habit to invest in Snows. Anyone with All Seasons wouldn't last long without them each winter. I was passing stuck Trucks, SUVs, Busses and cars all day without issues lol.
@TheDisgruntledMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Now this is what I wanted to see! I wanted to see how well the Rivian went in snow! Thanks!
@Malc6642 жыл бұрын
The Rivian has amazing clearance, approach & departure angles. I love the way they built this thing. It makes the Tundra look behind the times which is a brand new model too.
@joeyplace18792 жыл бұрын
This is all about sizes and tires the rivian is much smaller with better tires.
@stevenfoster49772 жыл бұрын
@@joeyplace1879 a
@kens97sto1712 жыл бұрын
The tundra is not really designed as a true off-roader It's an on-road pickup truck with some tires and a little suspension mods. The Rivian is definitely built to be an off-roader. One concern for me would be what happens when you come down on a pointy rock in the middle of the battery pack? Tesla Model 3 that I saw on a dash cam video recently ran over a sharp rock on the interstate about the size of your fist. Car in front of him hit it it tumbled and it just bounced down the bottom of his Tesla Model 3. Punctured the battery pack in some way, or caused some kind of damage, the car was still drivable. But it gave him a battery warning light, he took it to Tesla they said it needed an entire new pack and his insurance company wrote off the car. I would hope Rivian put some significant armor on the bottom of it.
@markgosser95782 жыл бұрын
Definitely
@paulhunter96132 жыл бұрын
The tundra was behind the times the day they redesigned it
@4x4gear332 жыл бұрын
Messing around in a touch screen to engage 4WD makes me appreciate the traditional 4WD system. Buttons, nobs, switches, levers is where it's at. Leave the touch screen for Bluetooth, road maps, and the radio.
@jimsomerville39242 жыл бұрын
Personally, I'd rather be old school mechanical everything (hubs, lever), or full electronic (including the drive system) like the Rivian. The push-button actuated mechanical 4wd seems the least certain to me.
@gondorian10062 жыл бұрын
It's always 4wd by default.
@schlexpeditionsreviews47032 жыл бұрын
@@BAYAREAMX I see you 😂😂
@kenyongillespie86522 жыл бұрын
I bet the owner of the Rivian wished he was with you having fun! It looks like the Rivian is going to be a great truck.
@damageman2 жыл бұрын
As a person who suffer with Tourette’s like Andre. it so nice to see Andre review the rivian. The fact he puts himself out there does so much to help normalize those of us who are neurological different. Really gives me the courage to get back out and maybe date. Cheers mate!
@matthewcortes37862 жыл бұрын
Those pirelli's look like they're holding a lot of psi. Both trucks would likely do better with dedicated off road tires of course but in this case at least de-flate a bit.
@TristenHernandez2 жыл бұрын
Give it up to Chad. Thanks bro. Can’t wait for the towing review!
@mrpmj002 жыл бұрын
Your math is bad buys, Rivian used about 1/4, NOT 1/3. Rivian started with 280 mi range. 206 mi left. 74/280 = 26%.
@lonerider53152 жыл бұрын
TRD off-road. without off-road recovery hooks. Really screwed that up Toyota.
@kc5102 жыл бұрын
This is definitely kind of crazy. Just to save a few bucks?
@jayrichards36722 жыл бұрын
Didn't need tow hooks, I believe Tommy would have been a great help.
@jd2plus22 жыл бұрын
@@jayrichards3672 there is one on the front axle hidden hidden . They should look for it
@jayrichards36722 жыл бұрын
@@jd2plus2 I can't think of a situation where I need Recovery hooks. They are so many different options.
@michalp23622 жыл бұрын
Nah. 99.9% will never see more off-road than a gravel road lol. Half ton trucks live a life of a minivans these days
@andrewworkman49052 жыл бұрын
Falling in love with the Rivian for just the ONE WEEEK you guys have had it. Definitely need a long term one tor yourself
@TheJeep19672 жыл бұрын
The more I see of the Rivian R1T, the more I like it. I hope they sell enough that they can make enough money to work on bringing the price down to a point that is more affordable for the average person.
@SiuLeung2 жыл бұрын
Yea, I hope they also come down in price, but if you think about what you're getting it's quite a bargain. You're getting supercar acceleration levels with awesome offroad ability in a truck that costs less (R1T Explore Package $60K after $7500 tax credits) than a Tesla Model Y Performance ($64k). Rivian also beat the Model Y Performance on their drag tests. So for what you're getting, it's a pretty good value, but I do wish it was cheaper, so I can jump into one too, hahaha.
@ZgmfxO9A2 жыл бұрын
Its at 56
@AdjustinThings2 жыл бұрын
@@ZgmfxO9A LoL no, the one in the video is 75k$. The base model 56k$ does not and will not exist for quite some time.
@thehumungus19852 жыл бұрын
Glad tfl was able to get a hand on one of the rivians, shout out to Chad for stepping up!
@palco222 жыл бұрын
I'm in Canada and over the years I've done plenty of off roading in all kinds of snow conditions and with well equipped ½ tons with very good to very aggressive rubber. Looking at this video I got the feeling the conditions were such that any vehicle would have struggled. The Rivian had the better tires (not the best) and the drivers were leaning heavy on the side of caution (I get it for whatever) but what was missing was information as to temperature, relative humidity and the age of the snow. Regardless, these conditions max out the vehicles abilities. Chains on all four tires would have made this a walk in the park, for both machines. All things considered, I was still a little surprised. I thought the Rivian would have been way ahead of the Toyota but it seemed to struggle a bit more than it should have. Enjoyed the video ! Thanks guys and stay safe.
@Pesmog2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, a lot of that snow looked like it was sitting on top of ice which would be a challenge for any vehicle.
@fpartidafpartida2 жыл бұрын
TFL crew: You mentioned it in passing at the end but could you spend sometime talking about range? What was your planning considerations? You mentioned that the Rivian used about 1/3 of the charge and Toyota burned through about 1/4 of the gas on top of the hill, but what was the state of charge on the bottom of the hill after for both vehicles? Did the Rivian gain range on the way down?
@andyd54922 жыл бұрын
280 minus 208 is about 3/4 of range left, so also used a 1/4.
@migueljardim81772 жыл бұрын
And yes it most likely did gain a few miles of range on the way down.
@AkioWasRight2 жыл бұрын
@@andyd5492 They said they both started full so, 280 was likely the initial estimated range on the computer. So, with 206 left, it's just under 1/3 of the potential range used.
@jamesbeaman63372 жыл бұрын
@@AkioWasRight 72 / 280 = 25.7%. Much closer to 1/4 as Andy D said than 1/3. Am I missing something?
@AkioWasRight2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesbeaman6337 Again, they said both trucks started full. For the Rivian, with a full charge, the potential range is 314 miles, so 206 is roughly 1/3 the consumption. What would be best to know is the battery percentage, just like you'd want to know the fuel level. Is the computer just estimating 206 miles, or did it actually go through 1/3 the battery charge. That's what I would want to know, not the vehicle's computer estimates.
@85bigGMC2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how the Rivian compares size wise to a full-size truck from the 90s or 00s. It looks closer to a normal truck than the modern full size ones with cartoonish proportions.
@HoStev2 жыл бұрын
Want to say it's similar in size to a current ranger yet weighs like in like an f350
@85bigGMC2 жыл бұрын
@@HoStev the current Ranger is way bigger then the old Rangers though and probably is closer to a 1960s to 2007 full size also.
@HoStev2 жыл бұрын
@@85bigGMC yeah, that's how silly big trucks have become! Every once in a while I will see an old Datsun or VW truck at a car show and they look like a miniature next to current full size trucks. A '95 f150 had 197-235" length and 71" height, under 4k pounds vs the rivian at 200-217"l, ~77"h and 7100lbs
@chrisvig1232 жыл бұрын
It blows my mind that most of the large auto makers have not gotten into EV’s for the pickup trucks…huge opportunity being missed here 😯
@focussport2 жыл бұрын
Well, now we have Chevy and Ford. The rest will follow soon.
@AaronShegrud2 жыл бұрын
End of the day, both trucks did work and got it done. Not every obstacle needs to be easy for it to be a good day.
@Okie-BME2 жыл бұрын
Like several comments below, I would love to know more about the battery consumption (% charge) and range (miles), both to the test site, while at the test site, and home. All the testing you are doing to prove it is 'truck' worthy, we know it is, the issue for me on the all EV is can it work for a normal person that currently uses a truck. Off-road typically requires driving someone (with gear) then hitting the dirt/rock/mud/snow and playing, then returning home. For the R1T that needs to be capable without the 'gear' being a generator.
@MinimaDomum2 жыл бұрын
Why not add a generator in the same way normal truck owners add jerrycans all over their rigs?
@AmmarMalik2 жыл бұрын
The Rivian is like portal axles on crack! That ground clearance is nuts when you don't have to worry about differentials and axles.
@Welcometofacsistube2 жыл бұрын
True. Only the fact that once this overhyped pos runs out of juice it's going to cost you a fortune to recover it out of the wilderness. Evs are a fad . The ICE isn't going anywhere anytime soon
@AmmarMalik2 жыл бұрын
@@Welcometofacsistube maybe both can co-exist, you salty af person
@Welcometofacsistube2 жыл бұрын
@@AmmarMalik nope. When people start to realize that evs are simply cost ineffective, unreliable and all hype being pushed by "environmentalists" through government regulations, they will go the way of the dodo bird.
@AmmarMalik2 жыл бұрын
@@Welcometofacsistube ‘unreliable’. Sure.
@RAM-KINGOFTRUCKS2 жыл бұрын
@@Welcometofacsistube what ive heard and seen so far its about the same cost or the EV a bit more expensive to run ,and the EV will only get more expensive down the road. Ill keep my v8 many years
@naf25792 жыл бұрын
I gotta say there is something nice about the silence of an electric off roader.
@Nosaj-dt1ij2 жыл бұрын
LOVE THIS guys. Had me on the edge of my seat a couple times. Totally thought Nathan was going to hit the tree more than once!
@RivianDad2 жыл бұрын
Heya TFL Crew. LOVING the new videos. It was super fun to run into Andre this morning and say hello. The R1T continues to impress. The breakover angles really helped on that staircase test. Can't wait for the Ike Gauntlet video!
@fpartidafpartida2 жыл бұрын
We’re you able to get any footage for your channel? That would be a cool video. Not sure if the TFL crew was down for an impromptu “collab” though.
@RivianDad2 жыл бұрын
@@fpartidafpartida No footage. Just said hello. Andre gave me a primer for the towing video they just published. Super cool guy.
@ChrisBeatty300cSRT82 жыл бұрын
It will be interesting once more people get the Rivian and what they do with it. Like mudding, rock crawling, mods, and such. Great video, TFL team! 👍
@andreasm28822 жыл бұрын
I personally have been experiencing the same issue with my AT snow rated tires. I really don't understand why manufacturers are being allowed to put the snow flake on non dedicated snow tires because as far as I can tell all AT tires will suck butt once you have to start dealing with ice which is the main reason why I would buy a tire that is severe snow rated. It's a night a day difference for me going in the snow with my Blizzaks on and off road.
@skiwildcat72 жыл бұрын
Yup, almost stuck the Falken ATW3 on my 4runner, but doing some reading it seems like getting into any "real" snow and especially cold snow, the Blizzaks just kick the AT tire's butt. I'd say any place that has real winter to get real snow tires for sure.
@adventureswithbear2 жыл бұрын
My ATs aren't even snow rated and I have no issues in the deep snow here in Canada. Airing down to about 15 psi gets me a ton of traction
@michalp23622 жыл бұрын
All AT tires are garbage in snow. Especially on normal paved roads in winter conditions with ice spots and compacted snow.
@adventureswithbear2 жыл бұрын
@@michalp2362 I went thru snow that was 2.5 ft deep with no issues on my ATs. Obviously actual snow rated tires will do better but to say all ATs are garbage in the snow says more about your driving ability than the tires
@michalp23622 жыл бұрын
@@adventureswithbear your probably did it in some kind of off road situation with fresh fluffy snow. However, all AT tires suck in on-road winter conditions with their poor directional and braking performance especially at higher speeds
@bencappello53242 жыл бұрын
Great review! I think the tires were your limiting factor in both trucks today.
@andrewchewter16462 жыл бұрын
Yes watching him slip constantly approaching the staircase in the Tundra I was thinking the exact same thing. I pass people with "M&S" tires in 4wd/awd vehicles in winter in my RWD Model 3 with proper studded winter tires every year on my steep side road to my house.
@asianforce2 жыл бұрын
holy crap, this is what we were waiting for
@coloradokydex67652 жыл бұрын
Would have loved to see the bronco in this test as well. I know the territory m/t is not three peak rated but want to see how they do in the deep stuff
@cristian333GTX2 жыл бұрын
You mean Bronco vs Rivian R1T 🤔 if is that that’s be interesting, not matter what they are pickup or SUV just his capabilities off road right?
@El_Gato7182 жыл бұрын
The raptor bronco
@dalejones43222 жыл бұрын
Great video. It's interesting to see how much more difficult these obstacles are with snow. That Rivian is awesome. Thanks guys
@lonerider53152 жыл бұрын
They used nearly identical energy 280-206 is closer to 1/4 than 1/3
@bob154792 жыл бұрын
Very true. With the MASSIVE inaccuracy I usually find gas gauges to have, the Rivian may well have used less.
@hatebreed792 жыл бұрын
Glad I checked comments before posting. Good catch. Sure it was quick math on their part, but it was while making a direct comparison
@AkioWasRight2 жыл бұрын
They said both were full, so 280 is likely the estimated range on the computer. At 208, that is roughly 1/3 the potential range. What would be best to know is the battery percentage, just like a fuel tank. If it used 1/3 the battery or not, that's what I would want to know.
@finnianfitzsimons6232 жыл бұрын
I’ve been looking forward to this one for a while !
@ernestozilberberg2572 жыл бұрын
All I can say is “poor Chad” (the owner of the truck). It’s gotta be nerve wrecking to watch your vehicle put through the paces like that.
@RPotter952 жыл бұрын
Nerve *wracking*
@nathankoroush79182 жыл бұрын
@@RPotter95 Eventually, it will wreck your nerves.
@giobikefans2 жыл бұрын
It’s ok, he’s a real Chad
@terranempire22 жыл бұрын
I imagine that If the TFL guys actually managed to trash his wheels, Rivian would replace it. I mean he really is taking one for the company. Chad clearly believes.
@vicbrown76372 жыл бұрын
I am surprised that all of your testing has convinced me that the Rivian actually is a VERY competent truck that can match most any other truck.
@smarticus63842 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%
@purpleduckhemp2 жыл бұрын
Any 1500. Or light duty truck
@AJourneyOfYourSoul2 жыл бұрын
They haven’t done any long range towing testing.
@mattotto23802 жыл бұрын
I would say exceed in some cases.
@aaronpops41082 жыл бұрын
Love the coverage your giving the Rivian. 2 things that probably would have made a big difference on these tests: better tires on the tundra and lower tire pressures on both. Interesting to see the limitations of the Rivian.
@Danzilly2 жыл бұрын
Chad! Thanks for letting them test your truck!
@tonynietsch3422 жыл бұрын
Guys, how about lowering the air pressure in the tires in the snow?
@TheAshPriyam2 жыл бұрын
The RIVIAN is getting is getting more and more impressive👍🤗
@lifescansdarkly2 жыл бұрын
The problem with the Rivian's suspension is that at full ride height it's super stiff, because you're essentially lifting it up with pressurized air. There's a lot more travel at lower suspension settings but then you lose ground clearance. For a proper off-road setup you'd want fixed-height coilovers but unfortunately it would be very difficult to do suspension mods on the Rivian due to its proprietary setup.
@g2theb5842 жыл бұрын
Bring back compact trucks!! 😭 I would by one tomorrow if they offered manual transmission, rear wheel drive, and manual roll windows.
@82dirtydozen2 жыл бұрын
Chains on these trucks would be good to see on this trail during this time of year.
@purpleduckhemp2 жыл бұрын
Or even an air down
@paulm64812 жыл бұрын
Rivian is a midsize done right size wise. It has usable rear seats as opposed to Tacoma. Probably best comparison is Ridgeline.
@stephenj49372 жыл бұрын
The Tacoma sacrifices rear passenger space for bed length (up to a 6' bed with crew cab).
@origamihawk2 жыл бұрын
@@stephenj4937 the 6' bed crew cab has a longer wheelbase though. Makes up a very small percentage of tacoma sales since most people go for a full size at that point.
@AkioWasRight2 жыл бұрын
The Rivian has a 4.5 foot bed. Might as well compare a Maverick, if we're using truck standards.
@cliffardo712 жыл бұрын
I did the same thing just the other day in for high and got stuck. I changed it to deep snow and it cruised right through it no problem. I love that it has the option to stop the braking of each wheel
@martintg942 жыл бұрын
I drive in these or even worse conditions weekly in northern norway during winter with my Land cruiser prado on studded winter tires. It does that with ease.
@Parker531512 жыл бұрын
I want to see the Electric Ike test. And the ‘how far will it go on one charge’ test.
@ford46022 жыл бұрын
Great vid!!! What's cool is I just put those scorpions on my 4Runner so nice to see how traction is
@leonardrice15002 жыл бұрын
Lol scorpions are garbage
@JustinKingOffroad2 жыл бұрын
at 12:55 you're at the spot I went tobogganing backwards with my brother doing a defender vs jeep trip. solid sheet of ice lol!
@johnp29312 жыл бұрын
Andre and Roman are a duo we need to see more of. The tests and video are great as always!
@Danner_Auto_and_Equipment2 жыл бұрын
Interesting comparison. Airing down the tires would have helped out a lot with the traction issues
@Yagerbombs83 Жыл бұрын
which they could've done on the rivian because it comes with a built in compressor!
@andrewj.salmon43342 жыл бұрын
Nice vid! Roman sure needs to show his veteran ability to drive. Feels like he can be selective on how he drives or measures to get the result he wants either positive or negative ....Andre is most definitely more wholesome and seems more trustworthy in his analysis
@davidmahan41602 жыл бұрын
😂 using engine sound to determine if you have grip 😂 I use the old fashioned method of: am I moving method for do I have grip! 😂😂😂
@DrivenHard2 жыл бұрын
That’s was an awesome video TFL!! Well done
@GrabBagEntertainment2 жыл бұрын
rivian ground clearance looks so impressive
@wint_622 жыл бұрын
It’s trash.
@HarryKuloh2 жыл бұрын
@@wint_62 the facts dont care about your incorrect opinions, wint.
@smallbusinessdreams2 жыл бұрын
@@HarryKuloh They can't get themselves. Facts haven't been allowed since 2016.
@AkioWasRight2 жыл бұрын
It won't be so impressive when the air system breaks.
@smallbusinessdreams2 жыл бұрын
@@AkioWasRight Lolllllllllllllll. Some people are never happy. Grinch vibes.
@fpartidafpartida2 жыл бұрын
My Audi EV changes pitch when I accelerate. That feature might give Andre the feedback he was looking for to replace the sound of a reving engine. Rivian should be able to implement something similar with an over the air update.
@cypvh742 жыл бұрын
I think they already have some sound options?
@Nativeindi1232 жыл бұрын
Most crushing thing about this video....Roman doesn't drink coffee lol
@allosaurusfragilis77822 жыл бұрын
Rivian have done an amazing job with their first vehicle. Deserves big success.
@jasonwahl25102 жыл бұрын
Would the Rivian be better in a lower suspension setting to give it more articulation? Maxed out like that it's like taking a 3/4 ton off road. Too stiff to find traction.
@lifescansdarkly2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that was my initial concern with the air suspension. When it's at full ride height it's super stiff with no flex, which is the opposite of what you want when you're off-roading. But then if you bring it down you lose ground clearance. To date I don't know of any electric rigs with coilover suspension and it doesn't seem like you can do much in the way of modding to the Rivian.
@cypvh742 жыл бұрын
So at my local gas vs electric cost, their adventure would have cost me about $40 in the Tundra vs about $5 in the Rivian. (Rough calculations based on their 1/4 tank vs 1/3 battery capacity estimates).
@gregvalunas63422 жыл бұрын
Divide 206 by 280 and you actually are at about 1/4 of the charge. They were just winging the guestimate on the fly but that makes your electric cost even better. Sweet! :)
@bob154792 жыл бұрын
$3 vs $28 where I live.
@AkioWasRight2 жыл бұрын
What is the tank size on the Tundra? Even if were a large capacity tank, it would only cost you about $25-$30 to fill up with the nation average price for fuel. So, either you pay an unholy amount for fuel, or your numbers are off.
@cypvh742 жыл бұрын
@@AkioWasRight google says tundra has a 38gallon tank. 1/4 tank is close to 10 gallons, and gas around here is over $4/gal.
@AkioWasRight2 жыл бұрын
@@cypvh74 The Tundra most definitely does not have a 38 gallon tank. The standard capacity is 22 gallons, but I believe there is an optional larger tank. But again, it is not 38 gallons.
@ddkk170452 жыл бұрын
My absolute favorite You Tube Channel. Another great video
@ZzHasbrozZ2 жыл бұрын
I missed this episode dropping. Probably the best rivian segment.
@bob154792 жыл бұрын
The Rivian actually used a lot less range in miles. Remember total range for the tundra is well over 600. The Rivian doesn’t have to rev and doesn’t do as much idling or useless wheel spin.
@USUG02 жыл бұрын
fun fact the Toyota Tundra used about 8gal of fuel (assuming a tank size of 32.2gal). The Rivian R1T used the energy equivalent of 1.5gal of gasoline or less (depending on how range is calculated)
@lutomson34962 жыл бұрын
Fun fact with no power no way to refuel happens all the time and you have a snowbank decoration
@USUG02 жыл бұрын
@@lutomson3496 fun fact. Going back down the mountain. The R1T can put back in the battery up to 30-50% of the energy it used going up
@lutomson34962 жыл бұрын
@@USUG0 fun fact a hybrid will do the same and keep going without searching for a plug in..havent seen these guys looking for charging stations and all the problems they had in the past with them
@USUG02 жыл бұрын
@@lutomson3496 not with the same efficiency or power.
@lutomson34962 жыл бұрын
@@USUG0 no power with an electric car =useless vehicle period as i live in an unreliable area..city slickers yes rural no
@bamafan-in-OZ2 жыл бұрын
I find it so amazing how this small company is showing the big boys that they have been asleep for far too long.
@csmather772 жыл бұрын
I believe in 2 factors on off roading. You have got to know your trucks capabilities. And also tires... tires...tires. Need the right tires for the terrain you are going to tackle. Both these trucks are awesome, but have the wrong tires for this obstacle. Thank you for the good work and great videos.
@P512 жыл бұрын
snow driving should really be a tire test
@CheekyMonkey8882 жыл бұрын
for offroading without dedicated snow tires both trucks did well, but I think the Rivian won this time
@bman111112 жыл бұрын
Ignore the negative comments you guys are awesome thanks for all the effort you guys put into these videos.
@tarzaan2603 Жыл бұрын
Obviously there are a lot of other factors, but these independent electric motors can change torque at each wheel HILARIOUSLY better and faster than traditional axles used with combustion engines. Unfortunately the short control arms used for the independent suspension in the R1T mean relatively short wheel travel and less flexibility overall. I bet the solid rear axle in that Toyota can flex at least 2x further.
@Mixat872 жыл бұрын
The way you measure the tires is incorrect, given that there is a weight pushing down the tires it wont give you the exact right measure, I would suggest to measure it horizontally.
@dragongrips80952 жыл бұрын
What psi are you running those tires at?
@0hypnotoad02 жыл бұрын
The Rivian truck actually has a cool unknown feature where if you drive fast enough towards a 2' deep snow bog, the Rivian will go into "sled mode" where you just slide along the top of the snow on the perfectly smooth underside
@TheLearningCatalystCoach2 жыл бұрын
Roman talking about cost of $56K gas guzzlers while backhandedly talking about Rivian launch edition being $77K. Yet, no mention of the Rivian having $7,500 tax rebate(which ends up being a check for most tax filers), nor that most people will save $300-500 per month getting off the gas of a truck like the Tundra (and that does factor in your electric bill going up $50-100 monthly). $3,000-$6000 a year adds up quickly, fellas!
@steveg2192 жыл бұрын
Isn’t this, at the end of the day, really about the tires? Or even if chains are required? Seems like neither truck was taxed other than whether it’s tires could keep traction Maybe a cool episode would be to do this test and then head down to the tire shop, change for the best snow tires possible, and then come back and repeat it?
@iamanamerican25832 жыл бұрын
Or even lower the psi.
@steveg2192 жыл бұрын
@@iamanamerican2583 👍🏼
@joelappin97352 жыл бұрын
I think the Rivian would have gotten around better in 13.5" height setting. It would have let the suspension be more compliant and let all the tires grip better.
@vict30712 жыл бұрын
Thank you for these videos, back when all we had was word of mouth. Thanks to you we can see it all in person.
@brenthill32412 жыл бұрын
I remember when the all weather radials came out in the 70's. It was a fancy term for summer tires.
@AJourneyOfYourSoul2 жыл бұрын
Rivian truck is an impressive design. I wish the range and recharge times was all figured out, but I don’t think EV is the true long term future because of that.
@EV3NTH8882 жыл бұрын
your mistake is pretending to know that nothing will improve.
@Bacnow2 жыл бұрын
Future Battery tech will eventually allow much more range and faster recharge times!
@thepianist70842 жыл бұрын
@@EV3NTH888 your mistake is pretending that he said "I know" instead of "I think"
@EV3NTH8882 жыл бұрын
@@thepianist7084 that's not a mistake, thinking or knowing things won't improve is ridiculous. look at literally everything in engineering. it's always improving.
@thepianist70842 жыл бұрын
@@EV3NTH888 he said "I think" which is different than "I know"
@larry4fire2 жыл бұрын
It seemed to that the Rivian didn’t have a lot of suspension travel resulting in one wheel on a axle lifting enough to loose traction. My guess is this is the result of short half shafts limiting suspension travel. I think it would have more traction if the air lift was set to a lower position because suspension travel is reduced when the truck is lifted. For me, I would have liked good old fashioned solid axles for better articulation.
@Reality_Filter2 жыл бұрын
The Rivian is impressive, but I still can't get past the "Terrence and Philip" looking front end, I can't un-see it...
@chadlegaultgmail2 жыл бұрын
Super cool! HUGE thank you to Chad!!!!!!!
@user-bl4ez3sh5g2 жыл бұрын
That rear suspension is crazy cool! Can you elaborate more on the linkage engineering? 8:15. Looks like 7-8 link suspension per wheel. Nice truck and great review. It would have been smart of Rivian to have given TFL a truck early on, to showcase its ability. Maybe they learned their lesson, and will give you access more trucks as they come out.
@binauralauto36212 жыл бұрын
Careful on the ice. I'm glad to see you both made it up safe. I wonder how much $ it costs to own a trd vs Rivian long term; gasoline vs Energy costs, ect.. Cheers Guys!!
@Tallrs2 жыл бұрын
The Rivian R1T will get 74mpge city 66mpge highway and do 314miles on a full charge, you can figure cost saves from those numbers. Note: the numbers are from the EPA not Rivian.
@chadreimer16172 жыл бұрын
I very much enjoyed watching this! Thanks for the content.