agreed. Reminds me of Adobe. Screw subscription software. I'll wait til someone makes a free version, until then, even $15 a month is not for me.

THIS.

its $150. you get a year of updates but you can continue to use it after that.

FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SAID IT. I HATE the idea of software as a service. I hate software subscriptions. I think we need to stop letting companies get away with basically only giving us permission to use their software.

​@@kresnadialI mean, it's not cheap, but I don't think it's an unreasonable amount, it's on par with other similar commercial 3D software. Like I've seen some software asking for $2000 for perpetual, that's more what unreasonable looks like imo. Companies don't price stuff for "anyone", they price it for freelancers earning money with the software commissions You can always just pirate it too, like I'm doing right now haha

same here ...

150 Euros and it's yours forever! ;-)

lol, just use UVLayout, UV Unwrap is a solved problem, can't understand why people still fighting about UV Unwrapping being Suck, can't relate at all the one problem that i never had any problem with even back then in dinosaur year 2015, even after 10 years people still suck at this

We can't stand subscription only models either, if you buy it, you own it.

Blender is ok-ish for UV work. There are a few addons (paid, but not too expensive) what do an excellent work helping with uvs

this and retopologizing. I literally don't want to try 3d because I tried making a silly sculpt once and was happy, and then saw what you had to do to make a useable poseable 3d model and gave up.

AI is for investors mostly. Investors don't understand UV unwrapping.

And you would be a better Corpo?

"AI could do this better" " but corporations suck" 😄 Whut?

@@MrAw3sum Retopo is also massive pain that solely exists as a result of tech limitations.

sounds like this method wont work with UDIM workflow, will it? Also if I understand you properly, this feature isn't unique. Maya and 3ds max definitely had this since forever. So I'm sure other softwares have it too.

Because it usually is on hard surface objects, the seams just go on hard edges. The problem arises when the object has curved shapes and its absolute nightmare on organic sculpts.

AI will help with that ;-)

Here we go again... It's not subscription software for Indies. It's either, perpetual = 149.9 euros to buy outright, with a years worth of updates, and you can use it until the end of time, you own it. Or, Rent-to-own = 14,90 euros a month, for 10 months, at which time it converts into a perpetual license. Aka, you own it, forever.

​@@RizomUV While that is fair to note, (The KZfaq Video said as much), My worry stems from how easily companies, indie or not, have shown to change their license agreements. Sorry if I come off as saying it is an subscription for everyone. That wasn't the intent but that is what it sounded like. My apologies for that. But what keeps the company behind the License from changing the agreement of what can be used under that License? (Adobe, Unity, WotC have all burned my trust in legal things as they all have tried to do something very nasty. Adobe actually would have gotten away with it if they didn't push people to agree to the terms of service.) So, while perpetual license means I own the license forever, it doesn't sound like I own the program. I'm no lawyer but that isn't a reason for me to "just trust me bro" for anything. More so for that chunk of change. And only a year's upgrade time. Which does hint that for further upgrades I'd need to pay more. I get your trying to sell the product, but I have been burned, and scammed, one too many times to just nod and agree. (MIND YOU! I'm not saying this is a scam at all. Far from it as it looks like a fantastic program)

​@@fadepanther6224 I get the concern, especially with everything that's been going on at the moment with other companies, and what they're doing. But, with that said, we are not them. In fact, I was looking on in amazement at a certain company (not naming names), thinking "Why on earth would they do this? did they think 'how can we kill our business overnight?'". So, let me lay out where we are, in regards to all the stuff you've seen over the last few months... 1. If you buy our software as an Indie user, you own it, and you own it forever. You get updates for 12 months, after which, you can either... • use the last version of RizomUV available before your license expired, until the end of time. • Or, you can choose to extend your license at any time, to get access to updated versions of RizomUV. • Simply put, we are not believers in the philosophy of "You'll own nothing, and be happy" 2. Our software doesn't spy on you. No telemetry is sent by our software anywhere, there is no network traffic from RizomUV at all. Hell! Our software doesn't even contain the code necessary to do that. We have no interest in this whatsoever. 3. Our terms of use aren't mental. Using our software, does not grant us a license to use or publicly display your work. As stated above, we don't even have access to your work, and quite frankly we don't want it. Maybe I should make a PSA Video on our KZfaq channel about this 🤔 It might come across as "shots fired", but at least everyone will know where they stand with us, and for the lolz obviously 😅😅

I like 3D Coat! I wonder how it compares to Rizom. I definitely think it has good UV tools.

150 Euros and it's yours forever! ;-)

3D Coat can do ptex... But I have never used it haha UDIMs don't really have any flaws that I need ptex to solve.

From my testing: this setup creates much better results than Rizom. Even the packing in the video above is visibly bad. It's weird that people pay for this.

I am learning unreal and I didn't know it did UV unwrapping. So I can create my own model in Blender, bring it into unreal and it will do the UV unwrapping for me? that would be great! afterwards I could take it back into blender to paint it.

@@dougwarner59 Just paint it in Unreal

why would an Ai unwraping be a bad thing?

@@khena6784 I dont know if you have noticed, but people (very slowly) are starting to loose their jobs thanks to such things. And many others are threatened by it . I loud like to blame it on ''Some doors you just don't open'' but in the end of the day, is corporate greed . Once the new toys are completed, the questions are going to change . Even here on YT. Many AI accounts that come and leave random comments and learn from it .

@@khena6784 I mean, I can sorta see how an A.I. unwrapping software can be relied on, if not HEAVILY so, by a lot of people. There are also people who just that lazy when it comes to UV unwrapping.

@@khena6784 Because technical art is to a small extent about goodness and objective factors, and to a large extent about INTENT. Intent is inherently human, not something a machine may possess. You train a machine learning system, you give it a loss function, and it will create a net, effectively a function, that approximates the minimum of the loss function, so effectively a maximum of a quasi inverse "objective" quality metric. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter nearly as much as what you want to actually DO with the model later. When someone says, model should be like this, you need to do this, you need to do quads, you need to do flow, you need to set seams thusly, these rules are made to be broken. By intent. They aren't as much rules as general guidelines unless your intent says you need to do it otherwise. You can't write a function that accurately guesses what you will want to do in the future, that's the problem. The time expense is when you at first don't know what your intent is and need to go back and inject intent back into your work. Otherwise if we're speaking UV unwrapping yo let LSCM rip throw a random seam along a loop and it's done, 12 seconds flat, like it's not like we don't have UV automation even in basic software. We have a lot of other automations as well, we have quad flow automation too, we have any kind of automation you can think of... it's just that lacking intent, they are always very limited in usefulness.

Yeah like I said, some people get it and some don't. You get it... I despise it and love this tool as a result. :)

1. A plugin is for one software. Unless it's a plugin just calling a standalone app. You use Blender, someone else uses Softimage|XSI, to be a little overdramatic. How many plugins do you think are viable? 2. If it was a Blender plugin, it would have to be GPL licensed, since every plugin must import Blender, and would thus be yours to keep; even yours to share, if you dare. They can't make you pay monthly. They can't wring you dry to the very limit of your existence.

There is a perpetual license option. It does seem pretty expensive though.

They only leech on the "pro" tier, which is scummy, but not as scummy as it could be

@@atoaster2070 Perpetual licenses are just as much a con these days, it's effectively just a cheaper option for a years sub only you get to keep it instead of renting. In the past perpetual licenses usually meant you bought the software and got updates until version X or X amount of years worth. Now it's a year and all updates stop, often even bug fixes.

Nope. It's not subscription software for Indies. It's either, perpetual = 149.9 euros to buy outright, with a years worth of updates, and you can use it until the end of time, you own it. Or, Rent-to-own = 14,90 euros a month, for 10 months, at which time it converts into a perpetual license. Aka, you own it, forever

It's not subscription software for Indies. It's either, perpetual = 149.9 euros to buy outright, with a years worth of updates, and you can use it until the end of time, you own it. Or, Rent-to-own = 14,90 euros a month, for 10 months, at which time it converts into a perpetual license. Aka, you own it, forever

You have the option of Rent-to-own too. It's either, perpetual = 149.9 euros to buy outright, with a years worth of updates, and you can use it until the end of time, you own it. Or, Rent-to-own = 14,90 euros a month, for 10 months, at which time it converts into a perpetual license. Aka, you own it, forever

​@@RizomUV True, that's what I'm gathering from what your website says. Like I said, I'm not thrilled by the 100,000 Euro income limit but it's better than what most companies offer. That doesn't allow allot of wiggle room for a relatively successful indie game. What happens to someone's license if they meet or pass that threshold after fully paying for the perpetual license?

@@spectralcanvasimages - Good question! I'll find out and report back!

@@RizomUV Sweet! I'd appreciate that!

Thank you for reminding me of P-tex. I was trying to think of that alternative to UVs but was coming up blank. Yes, it would be nice if you could just use that for painting models for games. Or at the very least, if some software could translate from P-tex to UVs (and vice-versa) so you could at least use it in the workflow.

If you think that pricing suck, 3D Coat cost about 400 dollars.

Really? It's not subscription software for Indies. It's either, perpetual = 149.9 euros to buy outright, with a years worth of updates, and you can use it until the end of time, you own it. Or, Rent-to-own = 14,90 euros a month, for 10 months, at which time it converts into a perpetual license. Aka, you own it, forever

@@RizomUV I assume he/she knows that if he/she watched the video. Personally, I think the price is fair for doing something that is difficult and tedious that I hate doing.

@@dougwarner59 - Thank you, we think the indie pricing is fair for something you actually own.

It's not subscription software for Indies. It's either, perpetual = 149.9 euros to buy outright, with a years worth of updates, and you can use it until the end of time, you own it. Or, Rent-to-own = 14,90 euros a month, for 10 months, at which time it converts into a perpetual license. Aka, you own it, forever

Yeah. I suppose a person could still work with the texture and just shuffle each individual face into the right spot on the UV grid, but that seems more of a pain than just getting the texture right in the first place.

It's not subscription software for Indies. It's either, perpetual = 149.9 euros to buy outright, with a years worth of updates, and you can use it until the end of time, you own it. Or, Rent-to-own = 14,90 euros a month, for 10 months, at which time it converts into a perpetual license. Aka, you own it, forever

You and me both.

It's not subscription for Indies. It's either, perpetual = 149.9 euros to buy outright, with a years worth of updates, and you can use it until the end of time, you own it. Or, Rent-to-own = 14,90 euros a month, for 10 months, at which time it converts into a perpetual license. Aka, you own it, forever

Thank you! I really appreciate that. The comments seem to be full of people that are utterly confused about our pricing. The subscription model only applies to companies that earn over €100,000 euros a year. For indies you buy it outright and own it forever.

1. Wrong. It's not subscription software for Indies. It's either, perpetual = 149.9 euros to buy outright, with a years worth of updates, and you can use it until the end of time, you own it. Or, Rent-to-own = 14,90 euros a month, for 10 months, at which time it converts into a perpetual license. Aka, you own it, forever. 2. Shareholders? 😅 We're a private company. we're not on the stock market. Try going to our websites store page, and actually reading it maybe? 🤷‍♂

@@RizomUV Cool, then maybe take some of that sass and invest it in your website. You got a news section. Use it. Clarify that you're different from Adobe, and how you're not going to become Adobe, nor let yourself get bought out by Adobe (or some other equally greedy company). Put your money where your mouth is. Unless of course what you said here is meaningless sass by some PR employee fishing for upvotes, and not in any way a promise or commitment to not becoming the next Substance Painter. 😉 Because we've had that already. And everyone including me is tired of it. *Words on social media mean absolute squat, unless it's backed by clear and official commitment.*

None of this relates to your initial comment, which was totally incorrect. All I did was give you the information you were obviously missing. Information that has been on our website for years 🤷‍♂

🙄Nope It's not subscription for Indies. It's either, perpetual = 149.9 euros to buy outright, with a years worth of updates, and you can use it until the end of time, you own it. Or, Rent-to-own = 14,90 euros a month, for 10 months, at which time it converts into a perpetual license. Aka, you own it, forever

@@RizomUV oh wow. Now you have my attention

And another one... It's not subscription for Indies. It's either, perpetual = 149.9 euros to buy outright, with a years worth of updates, and you can use it until the end of time, you own it. Or, Rent-to-own = 14,90 euros a month, for 10 months, at which time it converts into a perpetual license. Aka, you own it, forever

@@RizomUV okay, good to know, thanks 😊

@@Orionhart - No probs 🙂

"something something you're totally wrong" 😅 It's not subscription for Indies. It's either, perpetual = 149.9 euros to buy outright, with a years worth of updates, and you can use it until the end of time, you own it. Or, Rent-to-own = 14,90 euros a month, for 10 months, at which time it converts into a perpetual license. Aka, you own it, forever

@@RizomUV Oh ok! Thanks for the info! Sorry for sounding rude

@@Matthew_Fog - No problem dude! Just glad I could give you the right info.

What people despise isn't the pay but the license. I don't think software licenses are a necessary evil to allow devs to get paid... I think they're a necessary evil because they're established and because the big tech companies have bought a lot of laws to make sure it always will be. But anyways the reason arguments happen is because both sides are right. You should pay for the software if you can and you should have software freedom with any software you have.

@@josephbrandenburg4373 I agree on being paid for your efforts but you'll know as well as I do that there are many who feel that software should be free.

@@josephbrandenburg4373 - You seem to be confused? You own the software. It's not subscription for Indies. It's either, perpetual = 149.9 euros to buy outright, with a years worth of updates, and you can use it until the end of time, you own it. Or, Rent-to-own = 14,90 euros a month, for 10 months, at which time it converts into a perpetual license. Aka, you own it, forever

"Even the indie "perpetual license" only gives you a year of updates" - True, but you own it, and can use it until the heat death of the universe.

150 Euros and it's yours forever! ;-)

What? as an indie you don't. It's not subscription for Indies. It's either, perpetual = 149.9 euros to buy outright, with a years worth of updates, and you can use it until the end of time, you own it. Or, Rent-to-own = 14,90 euros a month, for 10 months, at which time it converts into a perpetual license. Aka, you own it, forever

"Ah s**t, here we go again" It's not subscription for Indies. It's either, perpetual = 149.9 euros to buy outright, with a years worth of updates, and you can use it until the end of time, you own it. Or, Rent-to-own = 14,90 euros a month, for 10 months, at which time it converts into a perpetual license. Aka, you own it, forever