How To Rebuild a KTM/Husqvarna WP Linkage Style Rear Shock

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Rocky Mountain ATV MC

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4 жыл бұрын

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Whether your rear shock just needs a fluid change or a full breakdown and rebuild, having the right know-how and tools can turn a daunting task into something you knock out in an hour or two. In this video, Charles shows how to rebuild and install a Race Tech Bladder Cap Kit on KTM/Husqvarna WP linkage style rear shocks.
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@youtubeaccount9058
@youtubeaccount9058 9 ай бұрын
Thanks again for this video, I watch it once each year when I do this job!
@youtubeaccount9058
@youtubeaccount9058 3 жыл бұрын
2:00 record previous settings 2:40 back off preload adjuster and remove bottom lock ring & spring 3:38 depressurize reservoir 4:40 remove bottom cap 5:14 depress sealhead and remove lock ring 6:00 pull out shock shaft, dump oil 6:50 remove reservoir with heat gun + strap wrench 7:40 remove nut and shock stack, clean and inspect 9:15 replace bumper, cap, topout spring, seal head, shim stack+piston 10:50 retaining nut w loctite, 29.5 ft lb 11:38 replace reservoir w red loctite using strap wrench 12:15 pre-fill part way w shock oil 12:44 replace bladder 13:36 install bladder retaining clip and pull bladder up to clip 14:08 pour oil into shock body, insert shock stack, pump out air bubbles 15:15 top off oil, press in seal head, install retainer ring 16:03 extend shock, tap in bottom cap 16:29 turn right-side up with bleed bolt at high point; open bleed bolt 18:12 install schrader valve in bladder, install valve cap, clean oil off shock 18:49 fill w nitrogen, test full self-extension without spring 19:20 replace washer on preload adjuster, spring, washer, spring retainer, retaining clip 20:00 restore preload, compression & rebound settings
@rustyenduroify
@rustyenduroify 2 жыл бұрын
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@No83Racing
@No83Racing 2 жыл бұрын
what PSI are you filling the bladder to ??
@youtubeaccount9058
@youtubeaccount9058 2 жыл бұрын
@@No83Racing I use 150 PSI. The consensus online seems to be it doesn't have to be exact. The bladder does lose some pressure over time, probably best to check it a few times per year.
@dainesetube
@dainesetube 2 жыл бұрын
What an awesome video! Thanks for sharing it!!
@holeshot413
@holeshot413 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing these videos, I learned how to do my Yamaha Honda and now the KTM
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc 4 жыл бұрын
Dang, that's awesome! Glad to see that the videos helped out!
@aaroncrain2343
@aaroncrain2343 4 жыл бұрын
Hi rocky mount atv I have a question. I have the stock suspension on my rm85 and I rebuilt it by filling the Reservoirs with oil then putting in the bladder is in the shock shaft. I did it and I either got air in it or not enough oil. When I took it for a ride the bladder when into the reservoir further then the c clip. Can I rebuild it the showa way? I feel like that would be easier. Thanks
@jfricke1188
@jfricke1188 3 жыл бұрын
Is this the same bleed procedure for the 50sx shock?
@stevepero113
@stevepero113 Жыл бұрын
what pressure do you set the nitrogen fill for the bladder?
@marjanmacek1500
@marjanmacek1500 2 жыл бұрын
best review
@user-wyosfr
@user-wyosfr Жыл бұрын
mine is a little bit leaking, is there any way to stop the leaking without opening the whole thing or paying much? its on a 2016 te 250 with 50 hours. Is this normal for 50 hours or should i be worried?
@caseywiller4240
@caseywiller4240 2 жыл бұрын
Could you please share a link for the shrader valve?
@StudioLysyMaker
@StudioLysyMaker Жыл бұрын
Do i need to remove the gas when i want only to replace sealing ? My shock just has got spilled out, and i want to fix it.
@dasatom3060
@dasatom3060 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, I have a question. What would happen if i put normal Air in the container. Air conists to 80% out of nitrogen so i'm asking myself if it would be possible.
@3SPCOD
@3SPCOD 4 жыл бұрын
Is this the same for a '13 150xc ?
@743S
@743S 4 жыл бұрын
Sto riportando alle tarature stock un monoammortizzatore di un ktm sx 2014, era stato modificato per uso freestyle, mi sapreste dare le misure delle lamelle? Di tutta la piramide, in compressione e ritorno Grazie Sx 250 2014 eu
@rossmcmurry2349
@rossmcmurry2349 Жыл бұрын
Where did you get the tool to remove the bladder
@oneduke1
@oneduke1 2 жыл бұрын
What’s the point of removing the reservoir ? You are just replacing it with the race tech bladder?
@kylephillips1695
@kylephillips1695 4 жыл бұрын
If you happened to have air left in the shock how would you tell. Would you be able to tell when you compress the shaft after the nitrogen charge?
@EmileModesitt
@EmileModesitt 4 жыл бұрын
I would like to know this too
@riv187
@riv187 4 жыл бұрын
When he presses the shaft down into the body and watches it extend it's a test for that. If there is air still in oil the shock will skip and return erratically as the trapped air goes through the valve. Smooth compression and return is indicator you got air out.
@oneduke1
@oneduke1 2 жыл бұрын
Never mind you are installing new reservoir , I missed that part
@yvanni0136
@yvanni0136 3 жыл бұрын
Is the bleeding process the same with the standard reservoir?
@nepicness
@nepicness 3 жыл бұрын
I believe the standard reservoir is pretty hard to service at home. I was under the impression that the main reason that KTM uses the vacuum bleeder is because of the standard piston reservoir. Other brands don't recommend a fancy vacuum bleeder because they already use the bladder system. That's half the point to installing the bladder kit is so you can do it again at home as well as a slightly different feel to the rear end.
@benbodenhamer
@benbodenhamer 4 жыл бұрын
Does Rocky Mountain sell the service manuals for ktm/husky’s I’ve been trying to fine em? Thanks!
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc 4 жыл бұрын
We should have them available for your bike. What bike are you looking for a service manual for?
@benbodenhamer
@benbodenhamer 4 жыл бұрын
Rocky Mountain ATV MC I’m looking for the service manual for a 2019 TE300i
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc 4 жыл бұрын
We carry the Husqvarna OEM Repair Manual DVD which is all the Husky offers other than their PDF's that you should be able to download from their site. Also, depending on what service you're looking to do, manualslib has some that you can view online also. Here's a link to the CD if you want to check that out: www.rockymountainatvmc.com/parts/husqvarna-oem-cd-rom-repair-manual-p
@mrdiaforetikos358
@mrdiaforetikos358 2 жыл бұрын
If i don't have the possibility for nitrogen i can put simply air like in the front suspension?
@joshpodolsky7740
@joshpodolsky7740 Жыл бұрын
You can just put air in, the reason people use nitrogen is cause pure nitrogen 100% will not have water in it. Good ol air might have a small percentage of water in it. Downside to the water is is could cause corrosion/rust. Also nitrogen is slightly lighter than regular air so it might behave slightly differently when being compressed and rebounded.
@federicobernardoni5144
@federicobernardoni5144 4 жыл бұрын
Hello! Thx for sharing these really good videos! I have a question Is it possible to use your Bleeding method without the bladder kit? Does it works anyway bleeding all the air out?
@WillyD1
@WillyD1 4 жыл бұрын
budellari poliandro wow great answer he gave you I guess he don’t know either I’d like to know that also hey this guy Morgan great guy from highland cycles answers everyone who ask him questions and he can fix anything on two or four wheels check him out he’s on you tube highland cycles
@JLO145
@JLO145 4 жыл бұрын
How long would you think it would take if you have all the tools and replacement parts from disassembly to assembly with someone that knows what they’re doing compared to someone doing it for the first time?
@alack1153
@alack1153 2 жыл бұрын
Do it yourself
@alack1153
@alack1153 2 жыл бұрын
It’s easy. But use SKF seals. Anything else cheap quality will leak. SKF is made to last not break. Raced whole season on outdoors and big tracks and still last
@alack1153
@alack1153 2 жыл бұрын
Takes 45min rear shock. Realistically
@RedLightning
@RedLightning 4 жыл бұрын
Quick question, I'm planning on just changing the oil, so do I need to take the nitrogen filled peice all the way out? or can I just drain it from the high speed compression bolt by removing it, and fill it back up, pump it for air bubbles, etc? Thank you!
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc 4 жыл бұрын
If you already have the bladder conversion kit on there, you should be able to change out the oil just like a KYB or Showa shock. So yes, you can do it through that compression bolt. If you don't have the bladder conversion kit, you'll have to make sure the floating piston is in the correct position and you'll wan't to refer to your service manual. The whole point of the bladder kit is to simplify servicing the shock. Does that make sense? -Charles
@RedLightning
@RedLightning 4 жыл бұрын
@@rmatvmc Yes, thank you i appreciate it
@youtubeaccount9058
@youtubeaccount9058 3 жыл бұрын
Would a PDS shock be much different? I bought the bladder from RMATV and followed these instructions on my 300XC (linkage), so now thinking about doing my 500 EXC (pds).
@michail1963
@michail1963 3 жыл бұрын
with this process and a bladder kit it would be the same...however with vacuum pump PDS shocks are much more difficult to bleed, because the transition hole between main body and gas chamber (unlike linkage shocks) is not at the highest point. PDS has a hydrostop chamber which sits above the transition hole where air can be trapped.
@youtubeaccount9058
@youtubeaccount9058 3 жыл бұрын
@@michail1963 I did the bladder conversion on my 500 EXC pds shock today and sure enough it went just the same as the linkage shock in this video.
@michail1963
@michail1963 3 жыл бұрын
@@youtubeaccount9058 indeed. bladder allows this process...
@youtubeaccount9058
@youtubeaccount9058 3 жыл бұрын
​@@michail1963 Do you know, after the bladder conversion is done, the next time you change the oil do you have to repeat the whole process, such as removing the reservoir? Or is there an easier way with a bladder system? I heard something about draining and refilling through - maybe the bleed hole, don't remember - so I'm looking for info on that.
@michail1963
@michail1963 3 жыл бұрын
@@youtubeaccount9058 if you dont have a special vacuum pump setup, then yes you have to do it and repeat the process in the video. if you have a www.shockbleeder.com or Andreani pump, then actually normal setup with piston is much easier to bleed...
@CW-up7xv
@CW-up7xv 4 жыл бұрын
Why use a bladder vs the OEM piston?
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc 4 жыл бұрын
The stock piston design is known to be a bit harsher feeling compared to the bladder and it makes servicing easier since this Race Tech kit converts the nitrogen fill valve to a Schrader type valve.
@DavidJones-pc4ft
@DavidJones-pc4ft 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have to use nitrogen? Can you use a plain old air compressor?
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, you will want to use nitrogen. Nitrogen is way less affected by pressure, temperature, and does not support moisture. The action that your shock gets creates a lot of friction and heat and that's the main reason that nitrogen is a much better choice to charge your shock.
@zoltanszabo1430
@zoltanszabo1430 Жыл бұрын
How much nitrogen di i need
@lukeirmer5316
@lukeirmer5316 2 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't pressurize the bladder with a small amount of air during the bleeding process? That's how wp forks work.
@motogp1gprix1
@motogp1gprix1 Жыл бұрын
I agree. More pressure will bleed it better. Just make sure you let the pressure back out before opening the bleed screw!
@tomcumby1118
@tomcumby1118 3 жыл бұрын
How much nitrogen did u put n it?
@joshpodolsky7740
@joshpodolsky7740 Жыл бұрын
I pretty sure manual calls for 150psi.
@tomgruner
@tomgruner 3 жыл бұрын
WP shock rebuild and gold valve install cheat sheet Disassembly 1. Record shock settings (turn clockwise) a. Spring length: mm b. Low speed compression: clicks c. Rebound: clicks d. High speed compression: turns 2. Back up all clickers and HS compression (turn counter clockwise) 3. Remove spring from shock (KEEP EVERYTHING IN ORDER!!) a. Loosen Allen bolt securing the preload adjuster ring b. Turn preload adjuster all the way out, loosening up the spring c. Move spring stopper up d. Remove lock ring (clip) e. Take off spring stopper, washers, spring, top washer 4. Slowly remove reservoir spring a. Release nitrogen from reservoir little by little b. Remove bolt and O-ring 5. Clean shock 6. Remove shock cap a. hammer down against holes using a punch b. secure cap against shock shaft with zip-tie 7. Clean up all sand and dirt 8. Press seal head down into the shock 9. Locate retaining clip for shock seal 10. Remove clip 11. Clean again 12. Remove shock shaft a. Place oil drain pan under vise and shock b. Slowly work the shaft up and out of the body c. Shock oil might spill d. Continue to work it out slowly e. Place shock shaft aside 13. Drain shock body off oil 14. Clean oil residue from shock body and especially the reservoir 15. Remove stickers from reservoir 16. Use heat gun to heat up threads of the reservoir a. Loosen up Loctite on threads 17. Use strap wrench to loosen up reservoir a. Apply more heat if it won’t come off b. Don’t melt it! 18. Place shock body aside 19. Put shock shaft back into vise a. Remove nut (19mm socket) b. Remove shim stack and piston i. KEEP EVERYTHING IN ORDER!!! ii. Use screw driver (or any stick like object) to keep everything in order c. Remove oil seal and small spring d. Remove zip tie e. Remove shock shaft cap f. Remove rubber bumper g. Clean and inspect shock shaft i. Spray out holes h. Clean other parts for reuse i. Replace worn out parts Assembly 1. Put shock shaft into vise a. Threads facing up 2. Install rubber bumper 3. Install cap a. Notice correct orientation 4. Remove top out spring from old oil seal a. Clean spring 5. Grease new seal head inside and outside 6. Install top out spring into new seal head 7. Slide seal bullet onto shock shaft 8. Coat seal bullet and shock shaft with shock oil 9. Install new seal head and spring a. Slowly work it down b. Spring facing up 10. Reinstall shim stack and piston a. Make sure all the little shims are seated correctly 11. Apply Loctite to top nut 12. Slightly tighten nut 13. Remove excess Loctite, if any 14. Torque nut to 29.5 foot pounds 15. Place shock shaft aside 16. Put shock body into vise 17. Thoroughly clean reservoir threads of any oil and dirt 18. Apply grease to bottom O-ring 19. Apply Loctite to reservoir threads 20. Install reservoir a. Tighten with strap wrench b. Remove excess Loctite, if any 21. Fill some shock oil into main body a. See the oil fill the reservoir b. Tap on top of shock body with flat hand to push air out of holes 22. Fill reservoir half way with shock oil 23. Remove cap and Schrader valve from bladder 24. Grease bladder O-ring 25. Apply shock oil to bladder body 26. Install bladder into reservoir a. Oil MUST overflow from reservoir b. Seal might be hard to push down into reservoir c. Push it down far enough to reveal retaining clip groove 27. Install retaining clip a. Make sure it is completely seated 28. Pull bladder cap up to seat against the retaining clip a. Use suspension pump or special tool 29. Fill shock body with shock oil a. Half ways, or a little more 30. Put shock shaft into shock body a. Oil MUST overflow b. Slowly work it down into the shock body c. Pump shock shaft up and down i. Until no more air bubble are coming up ii. Make sure piston and shim stack is always submerged in oil iii. Refill oil as needed iv. Quickly press the shaft into the body to release more air d. Top off shock body with shock oil e. Push shock shaft down into shock body to install oil seal head i. Push down far enough to reveal stopper ring groove f. Install stopper ring i. Make sure it sits right g. Pull up shaft to extend it all the way h. Clean oil from shaft and body i. Install cap using a rubber mallet 31. Realign shock in vise so that bleeder screw on reservoir is the highest point a. Make sure shaft is extended all the way b. Make sure Schrader valve is out of the bladder 32. Loosen up and remove bleeder bolt a. Excess oil and air bubbles will come out 33. Reinstall bleeder bolt a. Make sure O-ring stays in place 34. Reinstall Schrader valve and cap 35. Clean shock from oil 36. Fill with nitrogen a. Test that the shaft extends all the way on its own b. Test valving works correctly c. If any issues, air might still be in the system i. Disassemble shock ii. Repeat steps from step 21 on 37. Put shock upside down into vise 38. Install top washer 39. Reinstall spring 40. Install bottom washer 41. Install spring retainer 42. Install retaining clip 43. Adjust spring pre-load to recorded level a. Measure spring length 44. Tighten adjuster lock ring 45. Set rebound and compression settings to recorded positions a. Turn all the way clockwise b. Then count the clicks turning counter clockwise
@tomgruner
@tomgruner 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, does NOT include the gold valves
@assaftennenbaum6751
@assaftennenbaum6751 4 жыл бұрын
What tool are you using to remove the retaining clip @5:31? Do you have it for sale?
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc 4 жыл бұрын
That is the Race Tech shock clip tool: www.rockymountainatvmc.com/parts/race-tech-shock-clip-tool-p
@0Grinch
@0Grinch 4 жыл бұрын
How much nitrogen
@michail1963
@michail1963 4 жыл бұрын
10 bar usually
@gioge2666
@gioge2666 2 жыл бұрын
265 mm? why?
@ja-no6fx
@ja-no6fx 3 жыл бұрын
man he made a huge mess lol
@chrizwelly
@chrizwelly 4 жыл бұрын
waste too much of oil ,just just for the bleeding process
@koul_2482
@koul_2482 3 жыл бұрын
Cheaper than having a dealer do it. 13 dollars for a liter of oil isn't bad
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