I just visited the Queen Mary in California. She will always be beautiful but is in horrible decay at the moment. The restaurants on board are also quite terrible, but the whole of Long Beach is, anyway.

To be fair not all was bad for the Queen Elizabeth, she was known as the top liner of 1948.

Also celebrates such as Walt Disney traveled on her seen at 2:00.

She deserved every bit as much acclaim as the Mary as she served during the war just as much! I wish the Elizabeth was still around. She was even more beautiful than the Mary!

Tyler Frederick unconfirmed what caused the fire.

The 2 Reasons Hurmans think what caused the fire on both ships is that it was a boiler/Engine Exploded or a Fire was coated by a baking room / Cabin

Blatant insurance fraud? Just curious

YAS!! THAT WAS THE SS NORMANDIE!

Ethicz norway*

Beatup112 + Ethicz, SS Normandie sank in New York,1942. SS Norway (ex SS France) was scrapped in India in 2008.

:/ Rip

Ethicz, it's a ship, not a person.

There was another problem: the owner, C.Y.Tung, owner of OOCL, was a chinese nationalist. His workers held directly contradicting communist views. One of them may have burnt her out of spite.

Yes, Nothing was ever proved. It Says somwhere on the internet that salvage crews removed what they could down to the waterline and what they could not get too is still there. the area where the Queen sank is now a pier.

for now she lives in the scrap

The main reason she was unsuccessful at port Everglades was the fact the FT Lauderdale Fire Marshall at the time said she was a fire hazard and would not allow overnight accommodation aboard her.

Boat Axe A shame she was not berthed in say San Diego.

Hello Curtis, I was on the USS Chicago CG 11 in the Tonkin gulf, just coming off line and going to Hong Kong for R/R when we herd about the fire. As we came into the harbor we past the former Elizabeth burned out laying on her right side. Then as a young man then now as a 60 something older guy I can say I am proud to have been a Navy man.

xxtwr1 I do believe that is Normandie. Quite odd how they would both meet the same fate of fire.

@@Pivot-99 and the majestic.....

Really? Good eye man!

Nice to know! :D

But now I am rank 53 almost rank 54 :P

Ethicz huh rank?

Ethicz I know I didn't even see it the first time you need a sharp eye but that obviously him

Correct me if I'm wrong. The picture at 1:58 is Walt Disney and his wife and 2 daughters?

Thats wrong. Look at the timeline of largest ships built in history on wikipedia. More than 90% of them did not sank.

@@LeRealisateu think again he didn't mean that...maybe the end of the video will help you to figure it out

Yea

@@fnafplushiezz1056 arson. Caught fire in three different places.

Lawrence Lewis we’re actually not sure, arson is just a guess.

+Gordon Jest yeah I get it soon it's gonna turn 90

Jay Leslie It was lot bigger than Titanic.

@@georgek3261 not a lot, but definitely bigger. So was the Queen Mary.

agreed

Excuse Me?

XD

I would agree, albeit this is quite subjective. The two stacks versus the three make her look better (IMO), although I consider the Normandie the best-looking three-stacker I´ve ever seen and much better looking that the famous QM. Esthetically speking, English ship building seems to not be quite up to par with the French or Italians (the Rex and Savoia). There is a sensual, stream-lined quality lacking. But the English ships have a lot of history and endurability. When they lost out in Luxury and the esthetics of the French and English, they retained the power of speed; but when they lost that to the US, they still had their size which by standards back then was awesome, even though there are many hideous cruise liners today much bigger. A nice smaller, one-stack ship that is similar to the QE is the Caronia: she does have a classic-English-schoolfgirl kind of beauty.

The Queen Elizabeth is the Queen mary

What???

agreed

Yeah, sure.

Not fully it was nearly half over and she righted herself

It didn't quite capsize, but it was calculated that had she gone a mere 3 degrees more, she would've gone.

Why lie?? Your a kid, so your Dad was like 85 90 when you were conceived?? But your lie is just another dumb conspiracy theory lol .

Oh yes! I see the tilt the S.S. Normandie had on the lower part of her funnels. Good eye.

did you see Walt Disney at 1:58

Thank you, that answers the question as to her "ultimate" fate. Is there anything to see at all?

@@angelsone-five7912 agreed

About the same as the Queen Mary, about 12 decks.

Alfredo Sierra Queen Elizabeth is actually still there to this day.

@@xavierlauzac5922 nah they built a pier on top of the wreck

Joe Mancini that doesn’t mean she’s gone.

@@xavierlauzac5922 the majority of the ship is gone, the wreck was removed to make way for the pier (or dock.)

Imagine queen elizabeth docked in long Beach same with queen mary

@@tfsaviation6911 they would still be bad in terms of money and upkeep and it could be worse

Azteticz Gaming we don’t know, but we suspect it was arson.

Azteticz Gaming Six fires started at almost the same time in different parts of her, what do you think!

It happeness to many small ships too

@@anormalcommentor9452 You're right. We just don't hear about those. People. Only remember it when it happens to a big majestic ship like this.

Do people with such shallow draft really exist?

@@μάξιμος14142 🤣

We are obviously sharing the feelings of PTSD following blatant insurance fraud.

No. It’s not demeaning.

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Cunard-White Star. At the time the Queen Elizabeth was built the two lines had merged.

Pro Gamer19220 canard. built in John browns and son Clydebank. she sailed frm Clydebank never been for trials and headed for USA due to WW2.

Yes it is

But then again Titanic is like almost 30 years older than Queen Elizabeth. Both ships were pretty much the biggest of their time.

No

saminahashmi26 we don’t know the exact cause, but we suspect it was arson.

Depends on who you ask. Suspects include: The owner for insurance fraud Owner's son after seeing how much of "his" inheritance was going into the ship Any one of the disgruntled dock workers who had... let's just say extremely clashing views with the owner (KMT Nationalist vs Commie)

@@tetragon2137 It could've also been an engine malfunction which the Queen Elizabeth experienced on her way up to Hong Kong after leaving Fort Lauderdale Florida.

Joe Mancini Six fires started in different places at almost the same time, it was not mechanical.

me

BlueLegoCat no, floating university.

Mauretania was old. She had to be scrapped since she was operating at a loss. Cunard-White Star had to make tough choices. She was well past her prime by 1935.

I feel bad for the queen Elizabeth

Esteban Tomaz unconfirmed what caused the fire.

The Olympic was more of a queen than the Titanic ever was.

Akhnaten yeah I guess your right but still

​@@calebprescott440 Both were Queens of the ocean at different times; and RMS Queen Mary was the Queen of the ocean prior to RMS Queen Elizabeth, just as RMS Lusitania and RMS Mauretania were the dual Cunard-Queens of the ocean prior to the launch of the first two (of three) Olympic-class vessels, much earlier than those aforementioned (i.e. RMS Olympic and her younger sister-ship, RMS Titanic) Whereas the White Star Line's RMS Olympic and RMS Titanic embodied sheer size and luxury over the speed performance of the ''Cunarders'' (or more formally, the Cunard liners), RMS Mauretania and RMS Lusitania, there can be zero doubt that the older Cunard vessels, being 1/3 smaller than the Olympic-class and noticeably less luxurious, were the faster vessels (RMS Mauretania in particular held the Blue Ribband speed record, astonishingly, until 1935, long after her own glory days had passed; though, we could just chalk that up to the White Star Line deliberately aiming to focus on luxury and size rather than raw speed or winning arbitrary maritime races) Being much lighter, and yet designed for speed as well, the Cunarders went faster in spite of being older; but their main rival at the time, at the turn of that century, were not remotely concerned when the first ideas of the Olympic-class were proposed in London, during 1907. RMS Olympic, being first-in-class, was instantly so impressive when she launched, that overnight she became the Queen of the ocean, at least, as we here use that phrase in this context in this conversation on this KZfaq video comment section, lol In other words, she was the new most famous, desirable and popular ship in the world. This isn't to say the Cunard line were in trouble though; being two Edwardian era maritime giants of the transatlantic ocean liner business, we must remember that to get to their point in history, they were two of the rare survivors from the Victorian era where many much smaller companies plied their trade in the business - with most being eaten up by the bigger competition until few remained, even well before RMS Titanic was named let alone built or launched. Speaking of RMS Titanic; she launched 7 months after RMS Olympic, being 1,000 tonnes heavier when finally completed a number of weeks later while resting on the Belfast Loch. This is due to additional fittings and features, mostly concerning added luxury furnishings and iron screens added to 1st class compartments, and some modifications to the ship overall including a change of windows styles (giving a more open feel) in the 1st class saloons and restaurants. Also, even more of that iconic, lavish English Oak woodwork was added. Overall, RMS Titanic now comfortably outweighed her older sister by a reasonably impressive margin and perhaps she was now the ''Queen of the ocean''. But in reality, at that time, she was sent on her maiden voyage and firstly, her sea trials, to far less fanfare and general media attention, than RMS Olympic. Oh, she got a good send off, but not quite the same as RMS Olympic's. As we all know, RMS Titanic didn't have a very long career after her first few stops; from Belfast she sailed to Southampton in England; from Southampton she sailed to Cherbourg in France; and from Cherbourg she sailed to Queenstown (or Cove, as it is now called) in what is now the Republic of Ireland on the R.o.I's/E.I.R.E's southern coast; and from Queenstown/or Cove, she was supposed to sail to New York on her first transatlantic voyage. Fate had other plans for RMS Titanic, and 1,500 plus of her ill-fated passengers and crew. To put it in perspective, about how horribly new RMS Titanic was, the modern day descendant of these mighty 20th century ocean liners, RMS Queen Mary 2 (launched in 2003, and christened in 2004), had celebrated her 200th transatlantic voyage starting on the 6th July 2013. So, in little under a decade since put into active service for the Cunard Line, whom instantly made RMS Queen Mary 2 their new flagship, RMS Queen Mary 2 had already crossed the Atlantic 200 times. However, and this is crucial to understand, that was considered at the time, still a young ship (even a little under 6 years later/roughly 5 1/2 years later, in 2019, RMS Queen Mary is still considered quite new) Her service life is expected to be well over 40 years, with well over 1,000 transatlantic crossings anticipated from her first in January 2004 to whenever her last will one day begin. Ultimately, if a decade old ship is still considered a baby/or at best an infant, lets remember RMS Titanic sank after only *12 days* out of Belfast. The scale of that tragedy from a shipbuilding perspective is, well, titanic (literally, and I'm not saying it tongue-in-cheek or to be crass, its just true, it was a titanic, colossal and dreadful catastrophe - and yes I know the greater concern is the human cost and the human tragedy of the event, but I must also spare a great thought for RMS Titanic's tragedy on a maritime engineering level, as well as sort of, shipbuilding symbolism level if you catch my drift) [1/3]

​@@calebprescott440 [2/3] Losing RMS Titanic on her maiden voyage, would be akin to building a prototype of a new class/kind of jumbo jet airliner today, and it crashing into a fucking mountain on its first flight. That would shake the aviation industry to its core, and remember, the modern aviation industry has thousands if not tens of thousands of operational units. During more active times as far as transatlantic voyages are concerned, in an era long before the transatlantic airliners became a reality, where at least multiple liners were going across the North Atlantic (there were French and German liners operating in this time, as well, remember, though the German competition would soon be relegated to history thanks to their own warmongering, whereas the French would persist long after the British had clearly won the competition between themselves and all rivals - and yes I know the 1930's one-time Queen of the ocean SS Normandie was fabulous, but remember, that never made enough money and was tax payer subsidised and funded due to only the super-rich and at least, rich in some lesser variety, being able to get to sail on her - and RMS Queen Mary beat her in the 1930's repeatedly), there were still not very many around. A couple dozen tops perhaps, more like a dozen (I haven't counted but it won't be too many true passenger liners/ocean liners) This means that, RMS Titanic, the largest ship in the world in 1912, wasn't just a huge loss but a fucking staggering loss for her class of vessel. Like the *jewel in the crown* of all of humanity's shipbuilding achievements going down after only having left her mother's (i.e. British/Anglo-Irish shipbuilding's) womb (in this case, Harland & Wolff's shipyards in Belfast, then Ireland but since 1922 Northern Ireland) The magnitude of that disaster is difficult to put across or convey fully and fairly. The Iceberg was a babykiller in more ways than one, lets put it that way. *It goes like this* in terms of ''Queens of the ocean'': - Oceanic-class (first of the great White Star Line ocean liners from the 1870's) e.g. RMS Atlantic (which was lost under horrific, appalling circumstances in 1873, as a chilling foreshadowing of the even greater disaster for WSL in the 1912 incident - though, RMS Atlantic hit coastal breakers i.e. coastal rocks, off Nova Scotia, with only 1 of the children on board saved and shockingly not even a single woman on her got out alive for a number of brutal reasons; only men survived, and that one boy, with over 550 deaths, many being women and children) - [I'm making a jump from Oceanic-class to the Cunarders RMS Lusitania and RMS Mauretania, i.e. a couple decades, partly for the sake of brevity, in what is already a long comment, but also partly for lack of enough understanding of the couple of decades of liners specifically between the 1880's and the early 1890's, because I need to read more about that time - though at a guess, I'm going to say either a German liner from a German company or a British liner from either Cunard or White Star, must have been the ''Queen of the ocean''] - so basically, ''place intermediate pre-RMS Mauretania and post-RMS Atlantic vessels of high quality here''. Probably something else from White Star Line, though likely a rival, just as realistically (they did after all, leap frog each other; the Olympic-class was WSL giving a big fuck you to Cunard, lets be honest) - RMS Mauretania and RMS Lusitania [the ''Cunarders'' of the Edwardian era and beyond] - Then the Olympic-class; RMS Olympic, RMS Titanic and then last but not least, RMS Britannic (soon renamed, HMHS Britannic, i.e. His Majesties Hospital Ship Britannic, when requisitioned by the British military for WWI, being a troop transport ship and obviously a medical/hospital ship at the same time) Each was bigger than the last; HMHS Britannic, the biggest of them all (when she sank to a German mine in the Mediterranean Sea/Aegean Sea part of the Med', in 1916, near the island of Kea, her vast size meant that she was nearly double the measurement in her own length than the sunlit waters she sank in - though, those waters were still over 400 feet deep so not shallow on a human scale, but HMHS Britannic was over 882 ft/269 metres long) Though BOTH her more tragic younger sisters were lost within 4 years of each other, RMS Olympic, the oldest and marginally smallest of the three, survived until 1935 (notwithstanding a number of notorious accidents of her own, from the incident with HMS Hawke at the very beginning of her career, to the incident with the SS Nunavut as she was nearing her end) whereupon she was sent to Jarrow, Scotland, to the breakers yards there and scrapped. An era had come to an end; and the Cunarder RMS Lusitania was sunk a year before HMHS Britannic by a roving German U-boat in 1915, causing another disaster and outrage, yet further lowering public confidence in the idea of taking a trip on an transatlantic liner (to be fair, it was wartime, but you can see how it hit business for all companies in that industry hard; income plummeted and stayed low for a long time) However, a new era was about to begin: the golden age of the ocean liners, ironically not being in the Edwardian era, but the interwar years of the 1930's; when art-deco was relatively brand new and the Second World War was brewing for release at the end of the decade. - SS Normandie stole the show in the early 1931's, launched before her famous British rival, RMS Queen Mary, left the shipyards on the Clyde-bank, in Scotland (she was begun before SS Normandie, though the Wall Street Crash hit the West hard, and the UK government refused to subsidise the construction when the companies involved ran out of money; delaying the build for many months, over a year and a half in fact, and causing nearly 10,000 job losses) Meanwhile, the chest-thumping French government, focused on her own national prestige and imperial pride, refused to give up on SS Normandie so lightly, and heavily subsidised the project; allowing them to steal a lead that could not be won back by the British. This caused public outcry and outrage in Britain, especially when SS Normandie launched and then won the Blue Ribband with a speedy crossing of the Atlantic, setting the new record. Only after the public demanded that action be taken to restore Britain's rightfully dominant place in shipbuilding (we did, then at that time, after all, possess the biggest shipbuilding industry in the world; so, we should have been dominant and were until SS Normandie) But when RMS Queen Mary was ready, the game was on. They became epic rivals; each stealing the Blue Ribband back off each other, sometimes having upgrades in refits and winning the race, then the other doing the same and winning it back. The race ended as a British victory, though, for the sturdy RMS Queen Mary. SS Normandie was lost in 1942, as she was accidentally set on fire by a clumsy American worker with a blowtorch setting fire to lifejackets, while she was being repurposed by the USA in New York. Due to the danger, she'd been kept there since the Fall of France in WWII, and was eventually claimed by the USA to reuse as a troop transport, much to French patriot's outrage, you can imagine. Basically, the USA said, oh you suck France now your favourite ship is ours, then oops sorry we burnt it so badly that she capsized at anchor in a billowing plume of her own smoke :o the Americans really fucked poor old SS Normandie up, totally bodging/ballsing up the ''rescue efforts'' e.g. both flat out not understanding the French wording on their fire controls or the French fire control system itself, and then rudely ignoring the ship's own designer who watched on from the harbour in horror. He urgently begged for them to listen to his advice on how to save her - he told them to deliberately flood a particular arrangement of compartments to allow her to sink to the harbour floor evenly (to later re-float her after the fire was put out for repairs) This would likely save her from being a write-off and though she'd obviously need repairs, she'd at least not be fucked up by an inferno. However, the Americans thought they knew best, as usual, and then SS Normandie promptly rolled over on her side while still on fire, totally wrecked and only good for scrap. That is basically how it went down; literally and figuratively speaking. Even as British patriot, I have to feel sympathy for the French in this case lol

@@calebprescott440 [3/3] - Then we come to the era of RMS Queen Mary in splendid isolation. She survives as a museum ship in California, to this day. - Then we come to the era of RMS Queen Mary successors; RMS Queen Elizabeth, RMS Queen Victoria and so on. - Then we come to the era of RMS Queen Elizabeth II. She was the last of her kind until the construction of RMS Queen Mary 2. And of course, we have the last in the family tree: - RMS Queen Mary 2: the very last operational, true ocean liner by definition, in the world as of 2019; and the biggest ocean liner even built (around 3x heavier and much longer and taller than RMS Titanic ever was, though, that is fair enough) Effectively, 149,000-150,000 tonnes of pure British naval engineering excellence, and the end product of over 150 years of naval design evolution from the earlier part of the late 19th century to now. For a brief time, RMS Queen Elizabeth II and RMS Queen Victoria, both survived in active service long enough to, by 2014, celebrate the 10th anniversary of the new RMS Queen Mary 2. However, as of 2019, RMS Queen Elizabeth II is docked permanently in Dubai (awaiting an unknown fate; potentially being turned into floating private residences, or alternatively, scrapped) The era of the great ocean liners isn't over (thanks solely to RMS Queen Mary 2, as nobody else seems to want to go through with making them; so Cunard is utterly dominant in this one area now) There are plastic, tacky cruise ships out there, more than there have ever been ocean liners. But transatlantic ocean liners are the true Queens of the oceans, not ugly floating bricks like your average Mediterranean or Caribbean cruise ship. Give me a classic paint scheme hulled, monochrome black and white with a dash of red, over the tacky disposable plastic cutlery looking cruise ships any day. RMS Queen Mary 2 is built to take on storms and swells in the North Atlantic, in the roughest conditions imaginable and yet come out in one piece. She charges headlong into storms and passengers might have a little seasickness here and there, but technically only a small number out of the several thousand on board (mainly, elderly retirees) She is the loudest, proudest, last and largest of her kind that humanity has ever put to sea (though, a few obese, fugly cruise bricks, sorry, cruise ships, like Oasis of the Seas and Symphony of the Seas, are bigger/heavier now) RMS Queen Mary 2 is the one with the real class and style. I know it is controversial, but, I sincerely wish that Cunard would consider building a new super-sized ocean liner, with the name of RMS Titanic II/RMS Titanic 2 (I prefer the Roman numerals form of the number 2 for important ships, as well as for film sequels lol) I know all about the many reasons why so many fear, largely out of old maritime and urban legend superstitions, the idea of reviving the name. Is it disrespectful? Is it somehow a bad idea just cos? Is it tempting fate? Should humanity really cower in fear at a fucking word in the dictionary? Should we casually forget that RMS Olympic never sank and she was named after the Greek Pantheon of Gods, which is every bit as bombastic and grand as naming a ship after the Greek Titans - which by the way, are essentially synonymous with Gods themselves and even experts struggle to differentiate Titans and Gods, because technically (in Greek mythology) they are used interchangeably and most of the Gods/demi-gods on Mount Olympus in the stories, were the children of the Titans anyway, like an older form of Gods basically. So, yeah (there is also some talk of RMS/HMHS Britannic's original name supposedly being ''RMS Gigantic'' originally, though I've seen little evidence for that, and some people adamantly deny that was ever the name going to be used, that it was always RMS Britannic originally, but I'm not sure; if it ever was going to RMS Gigantic, then the idea goes that they changed the name to sort of avoid being called arrogant after what happened to RMS Titanic) Ultimately, building a new Titanic/i.e. RMS Titanic II, would put to bed over what will one day be a century and a half of superstition, fear and angst over the fate of the 1912 RMS Titanic. We can't live in fear of a goddamn name. In my view, it is about ''Reclaiming the Name''. To dispel the bad vibes, to slay that dragon. Otherwise, we'll always have Titanic haunting our collective thoughts when it comes to these liners. It was an appalling disaster, for sure. But we need to say a big fuck you to fate and destiny, and say hey, we're not standing for you fucking us over all the time. No, we need to build a new Titanic to emphatically prove that a name means far less than simple engineering realities. RMS Titanic II would be a great success. The name alone would draw in the crowds and people can mock it or even be superstitious and avoid going on her out of sheer ignorance (ignoring the many decades of successful, mostly very safe and prosperous, ocean liner activity since 1912) Of course, some would put tin foil hats on or act like salty sea dogs with a bad accent and forewarn of disaster. In my view, they should just fucking build the damn thing before the Chinese do lol (and really, there are multiple Titanic II/2 projects out there) Cunard needs to put this one to bed and literally avenge the White Star Line's original RMS Titanic (technically, Cunard/Cunard-White Star, after they merged, and now just Cunard have already avenged Titanic since 1912 with great shipbuilding ever since) But why not just put the entire damn issue to rest and prove to the world a ship called Titanic can thrive and succeed long-term. Ain't gonna be hitting any icebergs or rock breakers that is damn fuckin' sure (it'd be the best ship the human race has ever created outside of military, naval forces) Like, literally RMS Queen Mary 2 on steroids and then some, probably a 200,000 tonne leviathan. I've sketched and written down many concepts and ideas for ''RMS Titanic II''. I have a lot of ideas (and fuck, I wish I was a naval architect/engineer; alas, I'm not) I have so many ideas for how it could work, and have named almost all the amenities, special features, decks, rooms, areas and unique function spaces. I wish I could make the damn thing, but alas, I'm just a poor peasant lol As far as I see it, RMS Titanic II would be a fucking masterpiece and a worthy replacement for RMS Queen Mary 2 when that time comes. But oh well, her replacement is probably already being designed and set for launch in the 2040's/2050's, and RMS Titanic II might never be a thing until after the end of THAT ship coming after RMS Queen Mary 2 (but who knows, maybe they'll build 2 new ships in the future in a class of two identical ships, and fuck yes they should call them RMS Titanic II and RMS Olympic II - with a twist, in that this time, RMS Titanic II will be the first and RMS Olympic II will be the second, under the overall class of Titanic-class, which ironically RMS Titanic [1912] never was, being an Olympic-class ship) Just an idea... p.s - the Olympic-class came in a trio, so I thought my comments should (and also be significantly, big lol ;) )

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Stfu

The Olympic sisters were still fantastic ships. I imagine a lot of the lessons learned in terms of ship designed helped to shape the Cunard Queens and future ocean liners.

Yes it is by more than 100ft and learn your ships because it's the RMS Queen Elizabeth. It also said RMS on Titanic...

The Titanic would have been dwarfed by the Queen Elizabeth.

Despite what you may say. For 56 years she was the largest ship in the world.

Quite a lot actually.

+Aaron Wicklam ......

Besides from 1912.