what lines?

Even express ways these days don't have markings but the cars beep at 80kph even though the speed limit is 100kph

Well, you're not wrong

In india the lines are just so we know where to go

True

Wouldn't it be safer to use a roundabout instead? I see only 1 or 2 conflict points instead of 3.

Roundabouts are designed very well and are great to implement into cities and suburban areas; however, they do require space. In many areas, at least in my city, we don't have the landscaping nor the space to implement roundabouts. So to help alleviate issues on streets that are very wide, road diets are our best bet. Also road diets usually allow the concept of complete streets (having dedicated bike lanes, safe crosswalks, active roadways, active sidewalks, transit lanes, and greenspace all in one) better than how a roundabout's circular design would. No matter what both have pros and cons, and any improvements being made to city streets are good in my mind. :)

Franchesca J bike lanes are bike control. Only helps cops harass the poor. Kids ride in bike lanes?

Franchesca J roundabouts suck. Everyone hates them. Two way stops are fine.

Javier Fernandez roundabouts are wonderful when done properly. You can usually zoom staright through if there is no one coming, otherwise you slow down a bit to let whoever is in it pass by and squeeze in - safe and quick. Two lane roundabouts are confusing however and use more space, while only increasing throughout slightly. A small one lane roundabout indicated with an asphalt center that is raised by about 2-3cm to let trucks and emergency vehicles drive straight through fit in the space of an American 4-way stop but are safer and much quicker to drive through. Greetings from Germany!

Finally someone said it. Vox needs to remove and redo this video. They mention Bike's once as if BIKES arent now forced to cross 5 lanes of traffic. Bikes are treated literally as an afterthought in this video. Needs an update.

You can't reduce speeds by lowering the speed limit To do with the Netherlands does and make curvy roads forks in the roads and jagged zigzags with trees on both sides of the road if you wish to reduce speeds. And as they said narrowing the lanes also slows people down naturally. Man I just want to live in a place where I can get from point A to point B without selling not on a leg for the transport device and not have to worry about death.

Toad diets lmao

Epic Tien Hahaha that's what I get for trying to watch and comment on KZfaq videos while at work.

Eating frogs is never the solution.

I've heard toad diets can be very healthy

No toad should have to diet!

City Conent!

On this same day last year, they posted another urban planning-related video that I love: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d9Gdasyckq7DZ4k.html

Same!

Would love that too! It's such an underrated subject but it's just so fascinating to me!

There are really good Ted talks on city planning topics

😂

same for south dakota

Check My Playlist might be a good idea to reduce obesity?

HAHA! You people and your priorities :P

Yeah, self-discipline is a much better idea than taking away fast food restaurants.

lalaithan r/whooosh

Surely Not looks like you fell into the Sarchasm.

Ik raad je het kanaal ‘Not Just Bikes’ aan. Mocht je daar niet allang van weten. Super leuke informatieve video’s over infrastructuur in Nederland. Maar dan vanuit het oogpunt van een Canadees!

@@kubiekemeester The only thing I can read is "Not Just Bikes", but I know exactly what you're talking about! Was just watching the Stroad video.

No, in the Netherlands these roads would be two lanes, with a separate protected bike path. Because bike lanes are nice, but it doesn't stop cars from using them.

Justin Y. oh boy

Justin Y. These comments are getting worse and worse

2/10 What the hell this comment isn't either funny or insightful. I thought I could expect more from you based on what I've been seeing lately, but I guess not.

Justin, do you spend your ENTIRE life on youtube??

It was built very quickly during the Cold War to allow people to travel in case of a nuclear attack

Mal Yah I heard Burma's new capital has like, 20 planes. It's rumoured that it's an emergency runway for planes.

More than 4 lanes is too much anywhere 4 should be the international maximum honestly, 6 for motorways.

Tignan mo yung Katy Freeway sa US

Titignan ko. Pero I'm worried sa road diet ng Pilipinas, masyadong car-centric. Sobrang focused sa pagpapalawaknng daan. Dapat magfocus tayo sa bike lanes, pedestrian lanes, public transport sana.

@Bio Kimistry What you say is actually illegal.

Real roads have curves ;)

William R lol love this comment

William R: I want my roads Rubenesque. ..

Be need fatter roads, cough* 6 LANE ROADS

ncooty Wow, thanks for pointing that out. It all goes back to the saying: never trust a graph you haven't rigged yourself.

But the point is that narrower lanes reduce speeds by 6mph. They then use the graph to show that driving 6mph slower reduces pedestrian casualties by x %

+mrowe94 The preceding presentation is entirely about auto-auto collisions and the narration for this graph states that the reduced speeds "can make an auto accident much less deadly." This phrasing implies that the graph reflects the lethality of "auto accidents," of which auto-pedestrian accidents comprise a very small portion. If they're going to talk about "auto accidents", they should show data for all types of auto accidents--particularly if the preceding segment is about auto-auto collisions. It's an irresponsible misrepresentation... and Vox does this quite often, out of incompetence or carelessness, I presume.

I came down here to say the same thing, I’m glad someone pointed it out.

The Governors Highway Safety Association estimated that 5,984 pedestrians were killed in the U.S. in 2017. A 47% reduction in that number would translate into saving 2,812 lives. That number is not worth dismissing as a "small portion." Yes, that number is smaller than the 40,100 people overall that were killed on U.S. roads that same year as estimated by the National Safety Council, but a strategy that could potentially save thousands of lives every year is worth considering.

There are 3 villages of 15 km which is equal to one city I want my MLA sir to make a beautiful city with great infrastructure.palm Flower Street Light, Palm Tree in Mediterranean of the Road river front view, city ​​bus stop bus stand stadium Galla Mandi Vegetable Market school college hospital Parking Gutter Digging on the churahe, light green and red (signal) city ​​bus start karva day, We have all railway industry but no better infrastructure. all in just 10 km, our MLA sahib focus on this All will be well, the next 2 elections will be won 3 villages (Nigari Mahuagaon Nivas) abbreviation nimani These 3 villages joined nimani city can someone give me a better autocad I will tell my MLA sahib Construct such a infrastructure, Please make it for me,

An offset would actually make it worse. When the side roads are level with each other on both sides of the road, the place where you stop before making the turn, if there's on coming traffic, doesn't overlap. The place where you actually make the turn overlaps, but that's why there's right-of-way. With an offset, the place where cars wait to turn from either direction could overlap, and you'll have way more issues with cars joining the left turn lane too early. Source: There's one of these right outside my neighborhood.

This is true! I live on a street that they did a road diet on, and people are constantly almost hitting eachother because of the shared middle lane.

Source: Almost my entire city uses left-turn lanes without offset parking lot outlets, and we have around a dozen head-on collisions in those lanes per year.

That's because in the video they've done the lining dangerously. If you line out two sections with what we in Dutch call a 'verdrijvingsvlak' (a patch of solid white (or yellow have your damn colors lol) painting to mark an end) and create basically two opposing ending lanes, it would have the idea to create a wall. What they also do here is to end such a lane with elevated 'lines' (which are just curbs), preventing you from continuing.

Break1146, Some of the bigger American cities often have exactly that, raised and painted curbs that denote the places where it's safe to turn left. They do seem to reduce head-on collisions to nearly zero, but they dramatically INCREASE the chances of a rear-end collision from behind during high traffic periods because the last car in that space is often still sticking out a little bit into the normal traffic lane. I can't wait until self-driving cars get perfected enough to start being use en masse, because then it really won't matter what our streets look like or how they're laid out :)

Yeah but the bike lanes are so small and kinda dangerous and the pavements are small as well. At least that’s how it is in my area

@@ReeceMarshallPersonal and cars never check their near side mirrors before turning across the bike lanes

@@nelsonglover3963 dutch road design prevents this

I have never seen in Europe a dedicated left turn lane for BOTH directions. Drivers just move towards the middle generally but there are not markings, let along for both directions as shown.

@@paveladamek3502 You don't get turn left lanes because they're useless when we're driving on the left. You get loads of turn right lanes though.

America's issue is corporations and bulk pricing. Smaller stores can't afford/store enough inventory to buy enough where they get cheaper prices. So they become more expensive and make people drive to Walmart, target, etc. It's really not fair, the bull pricing. What's the difference if a single store order 10k units or 3-5 stores in close proximity order 10k combined? That's also not totally the issue either. There's more to it. With that said, I'm 28. I didn't experience the 1920-70s, but from the movies, it looks pretty cool to be able to go down the road and shop at a small place and buy what you need and not worry about price difference or being in a big place with giant lines and aisle congestion. Also helps you meet people in your area. Nowadays even your neighbor is a stranger let alone 5 houses down. The bi8issue is America is truck/suv hungry with no need for it and so few motorcycles. There was a video that said (I forget the exact numbers so just an estimate) if about 10-15% of the population used motorcycles, traffic would be reduced by 20-30%. And realistically, motorcycles are super affordable, great on gas (40-70mpg for 300cc which is powerful enough), reduces road wear, much more parking, and you don't need a big vehicle just to go to work or go to the store for a few things. Going to work is a great use of a motorcycle. And even shopping... If I needed a few things, I'd just bring a backpack and get what I need.

if? they have. people complained so much they un-did it, but not completely.

Yup, like in Santa Monica

Caroline Little I love in Iowa and we have roads like this some make sense but the bike lanes make absolutely no sense

they tried this in a poorly designed area of LA which only has like 2 ways out of the area and the city got sued because traffic was already bad but the road diet plan created more traffic and didn't even improve public transport which would've actually cut traffic.

You don't get traffic if you cycle

More lanes can help congestion if the additional throughput exceeds latent demand, and in cases where it doesn't, the added lanes still increase total car volume, which is often the intended goal. For example, adding extra lanes to increase throughput to a shopping center can lead to a closer, shorter, cheaper, and more efficient shopping experience for consumers who had previously used a different location, even if congestion remains the same.

Especially if you realize that less people ride a bike today than in past decades.when you add in increased population density then you realize if you make something more convient to take by car then you will end up in the same place as you were before

Also, those on bikes reduce congestion massively

yall need to know bout this thing called induced demand

The issue isn't more cars on the road, the issue is a 4 lane road with no turn lane means the left lane is almost all ways congested with cars trying to make left turns.

JazzyNym my family lives there and yeah all the idiots that have no idea how to drive there is funny

People will drive at a speed they feel safe. On a straight road where the speed limit is 50mph they will go 70, on a windy road where the speed limit is 50mph they will go 30mph. Slowing down and getting tailgated is preferable to flying off the road because you trusted the speed limit sign too much.

Weenie

JazzyNym basically cities skylines traffic AI

Virginia, go over 80 or else.

There are many roads in the United States where that extra capacity is never fully utilized, but instead just causes people to drive faster and crash into each other. Road diets are not meant for major arterial roads.

I guess only you

A roundabout is meant for intersections in place of a stoplight or stop sign. Road diets are more of a left turn lane for getting into a shopping centers, parking lots, and other places and are not used at real four way intersections. You cannot use a roundabout in place of a road diet. Roundabouts and road diets have completely different purposes but they do both have a time and place.

Our drivers are so aggressive they even cut off ambulances to make it to a red light 5 sec faster, I would dread to see what they would do in a roundabout

meow meow I hate roundabouts!

MoceanRCT3 you can use round abouts for left turns into Carparks and shopping centres. I'm not denying that there's a place for these "road diets" but I'm asking what that place is when their main draw card is fewer collision zones, and a round about provides even fewer. Perhaps if there's physically no room for a roundabout - which is extremely unlikely given that this is being done to roads that are large by American standards, which are already large to other countries that most frequently use round abouts. It just seems like an complex solution to a problem the rest of the world already fixed, but I'm no road scientist and if this works that's good I guess.

meow meow becuse americans are stubborn. They think they have the best system in the world and they don't need to copy.

I'd rather they cut the two bike lanes (one on each side) down to one wider lane. Maybe even have some sort of planter type situation separating the bike lanes from the road.

Maximum Maxx when I spent a year at highschool in Colorado in exchange from Germany they redid the main road through town adding cycle lanes and narrowing the 4 travel + turning lane. All the adults at school whined about how many people will die, but there were no more crashes, speeds stayed about the same and people got used to narrower lanes. Unfortunately the bike Lanes were only about 50cm of sloped asphalt plus the gutter, both of which were littered with gravel so actually using them would be suicidal. Maybe they will move the curb and put the cycle lane on the then wider side walk (where it should be!) one day...

You raise a good point. Roads in cities should exist exclusively for commercial vehicles with no private vehicles permitted. Then the roads can be as wide as your ridiculous horse trailer requires.

Yea right it was done in Iowa and where in Colorado. That state alone is as big as Switzerland. And with everyone smoking MJ what speeding!☺️

I agree. I’m not a big rig trucker but I do drive a box truck as part of my job. It’s terrible driving that in narrow lanes. Especially when you have mirrors sticking out the side.

MONORAILS

Yeah, but there are tons of problems, like people not wanting a train line next to their house, the houses/businesses that need to be demolished to lay track, and the fact that everything in the US is pretty spread out, so you would have to travel a lot further to get say from your house to a store if you take public transport vs just driving.

nobody cares about what the people think,they are just a number

I hate trams. Would rather ride a bus.

Trams are great

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Well people should stop driving so fucken fast and have road rage. And by that I mean it's better to have CONSISTENT speeds rather than FLUCTUATING speeds between fast and slow moving. Some people who "drive slower" may allow for efficient accelerate/braking in events of traffic unlike the morons who constantly accelerate/brake and slow the OVERALL flow of traffic even if they alleviate THEIR perspective of the flow of traffic (i.e. their own personal speeds).

Depends on the context of the road in question. If you have one single undisturbed lane of traffic it can flow faster than 2 lanes that are constantly being blocked by parking and vehicles turning. Sure, you might have slow vehicles holding up traffic, but at least the flow of traffic will be more consistent.

MrHotBagel I drive fast. I also keep a safe following distance so when people in front of me tap the brakes every 20 seconds because they're following too close, I don't have to and neither does anyone behind me and so forth.

Exactly. You fit the definition of "efficient" driving, not "inefficient" (or what I called fast driving) driving where someone fluctuates speed to constantly be very close to the back of - to the point of tailgating - someone.

thanks I almost fell into depression after watching this. all of these nice comments really uplift me

What about Charles Marohn, the founder of Strong Towns?

More like welcome to the 20th century. The 21st century uses 4 lane roads so a higher volume of people can travel instead of getting stuck on a 1 lane road behind grandma.

@@jacob2359 nah this system is used in germany for decades now.

@@jacob2359 Europe in 21st century decreases road capacity due to make more space for pedestrians/bikes. I see no more problems with traffic in city centers and I would say that everything goes more fluently than before despite of slower, opposite bike lanes or oneway streets. Europe is also investing in public transport because it can carry on (I mean tram/streetcar) +- 180 passengers in one 30 meter vehicle. They are potentially 120 cars (every has +- 5 meters). Do you see difference?

@@mienislav Yeah I do, Europe designs a system to work for them and the US could never fit that model into what we have. Right now it would take me equally as long to go to a bus stop, wait for the bus and ride it to the closest stop to my destination, then walk in, as it does to drive over on a 4 lane road and park in the parking lot. Plus it costs half as much with more time flexibility. Sure maybe Europe can tolerate the longer commutes and the lack of transportation freedom, but out here there's no way anyone would tolerate that.

TheBatchingis this isn't for all roads. Obviously it's targeted for certain streets. Some streets where there are more busy(people traffic) don't need 4 lanes. Yes it does lower speeds causes more vehicle traffic but it's already known when roads have less lanes. Less people drive. So it kind of evens out

They explained that in the video, there would be no left turning people blocking the road too.

Azenix I see your into this stuff to. :)

Depends. Main roads need 2 lanes and a middle lane for turning. The main road in my city has 5 lanes, 2 on each side and one in the middle for turning.

The number of lanes doesn't cause traffic congestion. You have to consider how much property access is on said road, where traffic turning off causes slowdowns. Intersections are a major cause of slowdowns as well.

According to dash cam videos you have one lane everywhere except in roundabouts where every lane can exit whenever they want. Problem with having only one lane in the countryside is when you get involverade ng traffic and the road just doesn't fit both cars, who couldn't see each other anyway because of the hedge right next to the road in a bend. Oh, and you need to ban audis, appearantly.

Incarnant it’s not safer. Also, with all these yields on left turns only 2 cars can turn while a mile of cars wait in line. It’s aggravating . The infrastructure doesn’t support the population size. People aren’t gonna stop driving for bikes because the places they go are too far.

Mass Debator we all love our abusers

i check the comments on almost every video i watch. I love to see peoples opinions and comments on the video and i also enjoy the jokes and memes. People who complain about youtube comment sections are just losers who let a single insult ruin their day.

That's true. It's always interesting to read the comments on videos, even though I almost never post any comments.

Mass Debator Comments on most videos I like, but on some I despise.

Especially when every one is so funny and clever.

and a bad name destroys lives. lol

So road diet in southern California that cased 100x more accidents, and 2x more travel time are safer? Vox is a democratic mouth piece at this point :/

finalbattle777 HALLELUJAH❗❗ preach and tell it like it is😊✊✊

@@finalbattle777 glad to see you are talking about yourself. You really do need to wake up I just read the number and since this was put into place there have been more accidents that have happened so it is by no means safer.

maybe you should work on your reading.

we in america are late to everything

Jack the Bro pass them up lmao

Well, given that aggressive passing or other driving behaviors is one of the largest contributors to pedestrian injuries, you should probably just deal with it.

I think some of the problem is that the backlash happens regardless of the volume of traffic. If you take away on a lane on a road that isn't even busy, people still get mad because the *might* need to pass somebody on that road at some point and don't care that bike lanes and slower traffic improve the neighborhood.

I've been honked at in those lanes.. By e scooter users

They've been adding bike lanes where I live (sometimes taking away car lanes)...in suburbia and I've hardly ever seen anybody use them in years...I understand why they did it, but they have a long way to go to get to the point where people will use it...but I'm not holding my breath.

That's the point. Slower speeds means less accidents and less dying on the roads, not to mention it's much better for pedestrians and cyclists. You shouldn't need to drive above 30mph in the middle of a city anyway

Slower is safer, so yep!

And driving isn’t fun in Europe. Roads are small and unenjoyable. Nothing like winding through the wide lanes of a freshly paved country road. Paved by fracking companies, of course.

+Joseph M It's more convoluted by necessity. It is not true that there were more crashes: there were _fewer_ crashes, but the _reduction_ in the number of crashes was _lower_ in California than in Iowa.

Mathias Kilsti Hals Excatly!! Cars need to be done away with!

Basih you don’t know Americans. They instantly wreck at the sight of a roundabout.

These aren't junctions. These are straight roads lined with small shops. Can't build a roundabout for a small shop every 100 meters.

R.B. No that doesn’t work. In The Netherlands that’s not the case either and it only limits the lane. Drivers and cyclists need to learn to share the space.

Tom Boerstra it usually is the case in the Netherlands. The bike lane is generally separated by at least a curb and sometimes a grass strip as well. Only small residential streets (usually) have an unprotected bike lane. Speeds are geberally much lower there than on American city streets however.

Lolwutfordawin The streets are only separated when vehicles can go up to 50 km p/h. If it’s below that, like 30 Zones it’s common to share the lanes, sometimes it’s not even marked.

Right so it does work, it's just unnecessary for areas where the cars drive super slowly. You really could have stated that more clearly. Although if you barrier the slow zones they become terrorist proof (I mean against vehicle attacks) so that's a bonus.

Or bikers can use the bike paths tax payers spent millions of dollars on. In my area they are turning the MOST MAJOR road into a road diet even though there’s is a perfectly immaculate bike path. We have 700,000 tourists a year and 35,000 residents and they seirously think it’s acceptable to do this to main roads. It’s a line of cars. Just a long line of cars.