As a kid when I started to play rugby the first thing we learned was to address the ref as Sir, and to immediately respect his decision.

Fun fact about Nigel Owens... he is the only man who has been allowed to referee in a match involving his own country in a test match.... proves how much respect he commands and how his integrity is not in question.

Another interesting point about players arguing with the ref in rugby is , say I gave away a penalty and I argue with the ref , they tell me to shut up the decision is made , if I continue to argue the ref will start marching the penalty spot forward 10 metres , and keep doing so if I keep arguing , you see this more at lower level rugby but I've witnessed a ref nearly going from try line to opposite try line because a player wouldn't shut up , imagine if that happened in football there might be an attitude adjustment by players as there team mates would give them a slap themselves

The captian is always called because he is, in rugby, the only person on the team who can officially talk to the ref Double cards are very rare... Happens usually only in fights or in some double tackles gone incredibly wrong

TMO is light years ahead of VAR

In rugby, the point of speaking with the captains seems to be: (1) respect goes both ways (2) to stop all the other players gobbing off (i.e. only the captain has the right to ask questions of a referee once the heat builds).

In theory at least, in rugby all communications between the refs and the teams, and vice versa, go through the captains

Nigel Owen had his own channel now it’s a weekly question and answer KZfaq. Nigel wanted to spend more time on his farm now he’s married his partner. Great man I’m proud that he’s Welsh. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

I would pay to see Nigel Owen-Wayne Barnes ref a football match.

A quick comment on the TMO: not only can you hear the conversation between the on field officials and the TMO, but at the high levels, what the TMO is watching is broadcast into the "Jumbotron" screen. That way, everyone in the stadium can watch what is being reviewed.

It’s important in rugby to speak to captains because the captain should be the only point of contact for the ref and that team, and the captain can be carded for multiple of the same penalties committed by a team.

Watching this video I realize something: because the refs use TMO they take time to make a decision, while this happen players have the time to cool down so when the decision is taken adrenaline is down enough for the players to accept the decision. Aside of it, the consequences for misbehaving with a ref in rugby are quite hard both from the clubs and the league and you rarely hear players or trainers talk shit on refs even after the match.

Yes, a yellow card is always a 10 minute sin bin and the same as in football if the same player gets a second yellow it becomes a red.

I truly love that the refs are mic’d up in rugby, it really help people fellow and understand what can often be a confusing game to new comers, I also love that if you are in the crowd you can buy the refs radio so you can it all the decision like you would watching the tv

It's not necessarily about 'what can be done once a card is being given' It's about the fact that respect goes both ways which results in an advantage to everyone. It also stops a bunch of adrenaline fueled monsters all surrounding the ref trying to get their point across like you do in football - this in itself could lead to further problems. (Not that footballers are all 18 stone units but you get the idea)

The is one simple thing to understand in Rugby: The referee is the sole arbiter of fact and law. If (s)he said it happened, it happened. No point in arguing otherwise you’ll be sat watching rather than playing.

I'm a bit late to reply, but the reason captains are always called in is because all communications are supposed to come through the captain to stop players arguing back to the referee or giving them abuse for an incident. Instead they must go to their own captain or they may be punished. The only time other players are called in is if it is directly related to them or with scrums as well when the front row are engaging early

I don't recall when it changed but from the mid 80s any blood injuries they had to go off and get it dealt with immediately and could have a replacement whilst they were off (there was a notorious incident by Harlequins involving a blood capsule in a player's mouth which caused a major stink but that is another story). The blood injury ruling as I remember was related to concerns over HIV/Aids at the time.

I'd be interested to see a video in a few months about how trying some stuff from rugby refs changes your style and if it does/doesn't work. Saw a good rugby video that may be worth a watch - how Sam Warburton influenced the referee to save Lions series

Blood injuries in rugby actually do require the player to go off for treatment in the "Blood Bin" bleeding player comes off, and is temporally replace with a bench player, usually they just come back on, either sporting a new headband, or in the case of this video, wearing a Scrum Cap over their bandage. But if it can't be sorted in 10 minutes, the temporary interchange becomes a permanent Substitute.

From the World Rugby site: ‘The referee is the sole judge of fact and of law during a match. The referee must apply the laws of the game fairly in every match.’ I’d add to that: My job is to facilitate the game in a safe, fair, enjoyable and professional way using common sense and materiality. This last one a lot of players don’t know about. Basically, if an action doesn’t effect an outcome of an event I won’t blow for it. E.g the forwards pick and go and a back 20 yards away comes offside, I’m not going to penalise him as he hasn’t affected the event. Let the boys play!

Yellow card is sent off for 10 minutes, red is sent off for rest of game and over here in New Zealand we are trialing an amber card which the player is sent off for rest of game but the team can replace him after 20 minutes

I played Rugby Union and remember one match where a forward on our team got into a fist fight with a guy who's been pulling a lot of dirty moves all match and had already been given a yellow card. Our captain jumped in immediately and pulled our forward away. The ref turned out our captain and said "he would have a yellow if it wasn't for you, he is on his final warning". I think that was my second ever match when I was 13 or 14 and my introduction as to how much trust the refs place in the captains even at such a young level.

Yellow cards are pretty common in rugby. I guess similar to football you get the "professional fouls" element, sometimes committing some obstructions or repeated fouls to slow down the momentum of the other team is pretty necessary, and so you get one team or another going down to 14 men for 10 minutes as the game swings one way or another. Red cards however are a lot more rare, they tend to be for player safety issues (e.g. shoulder to head, taking someone in the air, spear tackles), or for serious foul play like connecting a punch to the head. So double reds are pretty rare. They've become a little more common recently, as in the last 10 years they clamped down on players being picked up in a tackle and turned upside down, and in the last 5 years clamping down on shoulder charges to the head.

Here's something you may not have realised about TMO. Firstly the TMO is a fully qualified ref in their own right (as are the two touch judges). Secondly the TMO doesn't have to wait to be asked. They often volunteer something the ref may have missed. Sometimes the ref may allow pay to continue and ask the TMO to look at something in parallel. These are some of the reasons TMO is a far superior system to VAR right now. But then we've been doing it and learning for years 😀

This channel is going to go somewhere. I've followed/played rugby for 20 years, the rise and fall of Leicester Tigers and my health being roughly coincident with each other. The laws of football, which I'm not altogether familiar with, surely prohibit disrespect or dissent towards the referee? Every time I watch a football match, mainly England matches due to some national pride, I 'm shocked at the players for their actions towards the referee, and shocked at the referee for having an apparent disregard for both the game and its laws - no football code is an oligarchy. You say that referees wouldn't get promoted to work higher level matches if they enforced the laws to the letter and penalised abusive players. Maybe lower league referees need to band together and stand up for this together. No one should have to endure that kind of abuse while working.

If you look at the 22 years of the 6 nations tournament there have only been 10 red cards, while it is a rare occurrence that two players are red carded for the same incident it is more common for two players to be shown yellow cards at the same time resulting in 10 minutes in the sin bin.

Hi Rob. I have played both Eooball and Rugby. For me the difference is that from a young ageIn Rugby I was taught to respect the referee, to accept the decisions and to learn from what the referees were telling us. Also that we could respectfully ask what we had done wrong, to learn not to do it again.

Hi again! Okay so why they call the captains in rugby and not in football: In football, the players are often alone, in their own space and when they do something daft, it's all on the player. In rugby, there is usually a whole bunch of bodies with more than one person contributing to the stuff up - something like poor scrummaging, aggressive shoving, making the ball slow, repeated offside violations, collapsing mauls, entering from the wrong side of the ruck, etc. You call the captains in because quite often the infringements are done by various players on either side.

Really interesting to see your perspectives from football to rugby refereeing, as you're answering a lot of questions around how football players get away with treating the refs the way they do, which has always put me off the sport. The ref always has the option to march players back 10m, and I've had that done to my team. Arguing with the ref stops then very quickly. I did read that this was being trialled with football - did anything ever come of it? Also, the refs in rugby matches I've played in the past have come in to speak to both teams in the changing rooms before the match, tell them what they expect, etc. If I ever had to ref a game, I'd a) do this and say I would only take comments through captains and would take no arguing from anyone else, b) hand out a few cards for arguing, and c) march people back if I had the option. Then arguments would stop, and people could get on with the game. Why does it not happen?

Last Week a referee in MLR had a really good moment, Late in the first half the Dallas Jackals gave up a number of Offside Penalties, and finally the ref had it and called the Dallas Captain over and told him. "I am a very lenient man, but 3 of your players just gave up the same penalty of Offsides in the last passage of play, Consider this the entire teams final warning, the next man to go off get's a card." Later, in the late stages of the second half, a Dallas player ended up offside, and the referee showed him a Yellow Card, even telling both the player who went off and the Captain "I warned you earlier, next man offside get's a card."

A major difference between football and rugby is that in rugby the referee is very rarely surrounded by and harassed by all the players. In rugby the ref makes a decision and all the players stand off and lets him talk to the captain and his assistants. He calls the transgressor to him and explains his decision which is listened to. In football most players fail to listen to the explanation for the decision and walks of swearing, waving his arms around to sulk.

6:13 the only reason black 12 was on the ground was because red 3 shoved him there lol

One thing I haven't seen in many years; it was before refs were miced up and TMOs. Scrum after scrum kept collapsing, and the ref called the front rows over for a word. I couldn't hear what he said, but he started awarding immediate alternating penalties. After the first 3 or 4, the front rows got the message.

For blood, a player is supposed to go off and get it treated and change any kit that’s been contaminated, the player will be substituted and then come back on once they’ve been sorted. Just with the number of players it can be hard to spot a bleed.

The players at the top level accept the decision because the TMO and referee watch the video simultaneously and the video is on the big screen. The same blood rule applies.

Handball referees in the Danish league has had microphones on for four seasons now, and it's a huge advancement for the sport as a "product". The spectators in the hall can't hear it, but it's for the TV-production...

Field hockey umpiring is similar to rugby interns of discipline. We have three cards for din bins. Green triangle (2mins off), yellow square (5 mins off - most yellow - or 10 mins for certain types of fouls) and a red circle (early bath😄). They are different shapes in case you have colour-blind players. We use the captains and can card them if their team is misbehaving. I green-carded a captain (who was on the bench) because many of his players wouldn’t stop questioning decisions. He had to take a player of the pitch. He was really annoyed at them and got them to shut up after that. This is how we sometimes get the captains to do our work for us.

I use to play rugby and football when I was younger. The respect shown to the ref, the game and rules in rugby is why I stayed with it. The disrespect, drama and childish behaviour is why I left football and today I still can't take it seriously as a proper game. Especially this 'Respect' initiative, makes me laugh

21:31 Translation : "There is try, we are staying with the try. But after the try, you come to dive without genuflection, it's yellow card. You, you take revenge yourself, it's yellow card. We're staying on the try, we're resuming with a penalty against the first fault and these two gentlemen are going to rest out of the field because the brawl (inaudible after)."

A lot of these are good refereeing in claiming things down and so preventing a bigger problem later. Being able to reverse a penalty for chat back is a powerful tool, a key to the respect being maintained. Some of these are old and the dangerous tackle definition is now interpreted far more strictly . Many of the yellows would be reds now. A head blood injury has to go off but is substituted and can come back within 10min,

Gotta be honest, i do love the fact that he calls the captains before giving a card. It allows him to explain why he is taken that decision and actually puts more responsibility and prestige on the position of being a team Captain. I think Football would actually benefit from something like this.

I think the main difference between rugby captains and football captains is that in rugby the captain is sort of an intermediary between the team and the ref, so if anybody on the team has sth they want to tell the ref, they tell their captain and he transmits it. And likewise, a ref always has the captains present when he takes decisions as big as these so the whole team can understand what happened. I think this helps to keep the communication clean without all the players going to annoy the ref. Also a thing I like about rugny is that you have to adress the refree as "sir", not by their name, not "ref" or refree, but sir. No idea how that is in football. "Guys, there is a viking on the pitch" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I absolutely agree with you on the VAR/TMO thing. I think football took too long to add the VAR. In rugby the TMO has been there for ages (obviously only at the highest levels). I also think that you should be able to award a foul/card/sanction in football if a player insults or abuses the refree. In rugby you can't play if you're bleeding. If you're bleeding and it doesn't stop inmediately you can make a provisional change (the player goes out and comes in once the bleeding is stopped).

Double yellow cards are not uncommon when you get an incident and then perhaps an over-reaction to the incident. I will need to do some digging about red cards Yellow cards are for a lot of things. Any dissent over the awarding of a yellow and you can expect it to be promoted to red immediately.

Regarding the law change on a football (soccer ball) hitting the referee, now stopping play: if I recall, even before the change, I thought a goal (even an own goal?) is disallowed if it hit the referee and went into the goal; otherwise it was “play on” as the referee was considered part of the field or pitch.

In Rugby a yellow card =10 mins off the pitch you use for technical offences such as cynical play, accumulated team offences or minor foul play. Red card = permanently off the pitch used for serious foul play or 2 yellow card offences. Anyone getting a Red card will have to attend a hearing to determine to length of any ban from playing along with a fine (usually the cost of the hearing £35 in my area). Plus clubs can impose there own fine and ban on top. Any team getting more than 5 Red cards in a season can be summoned for bringing the game into disrepute. Where they can be fine or have points deducted. Or both. The longest ban I've seen given out was Life with a minimum of 35 years. For hitting a referee along with an £800 fine plus the police arrested the player he ended up with 18 months in jail suspended for 2 years and 250 hours unpaid work. His club banned him from there premises for Life. I doubt he will ever play again.

don't mind all the stop-starts, you are trying to learn and you raise good points. With regards to referees wearing microphones; Kevin Sinfield (playing for Leeds Rhinos) was given a card for swearing at the referee (yellow I think). The referee said (not exactly these words, but you will get the gist) "sorry Kevin, I have to give you a card for that - people will have heard and it is not good for the image of the game" I truly wish that football would follow suit.

With VAR and mics, I think even if Sky/BT didn’t want the whole game mic’d, the ref could have an NFL style mic where they only turn it on when making decisions. I think it’s so important for spectators to hear those discussions

A blood injury in rugby is called a Blood Bin. The injured player would be temporarily substituted for upto 15 minutes to receive treatment. It is usually at the referees request.

One thing in rugby is there is a fairly intense citing process. I think there is a citing commissioner in each game, who is independent of the referees. Either team can raise concerns with the commissioner. If it’s referred, the player has to have a hearing involving lawyers and usually get a suspension. If a player mouths off at the referee, they’ll probably get suspended for a few matches. Some of the longest suspensions, usually for biting, are a year.

not both at same time but did send 3 off from one team in a game, first one in first minute then 2 others in 2nd half Last obe was the captain for persistantly querying every decision despite being asked not to and having had a yellow

I play Aussie rules football and I've always known that without the reff we have no game so I give mad respect to them when I play and I only play local football

19:37 completely get this i think its great in rugby csu the time does stop but csu in football it doesn't it does probably spend alot of game time to do it.

I'm a former (terrible) footballer, now rugby player / coach and (inactive) referee. The games are very different and are therefore refereed differently. In rugby there's an infringement in most rucks and libeouts (especially in the lower levels). The referee cannot pull up everything or it would ruin the game. For example, in order to make the game flow, my thoughts around the ruck is that I expect the tackler to make an immediate effort to roll away, only then am I interested in the attacking team holding on to the ball on the floor (i.e. if the defensive team is "cheating" with regards to rolling away to gain an advantage, then I'm not going to allow them that advantage by giving them a turn over from the attacking team holding on). Throughout the ruck I'm keeping an eye on side entry, but depending on the level will depend how strictly I enforce it. Once the ruck appears to be over, that's then when I look for the defensive line being offside.

I think you would agree if Football brought in the reffing like Rugby where the Ref speaks to the captain and the player involved, (then the captain and pass back feedback to the other players) and really clamped down on the abuse refs get with straight red cards then the players might behave better - i also like the idea of a 10 minute sin bin that could really sway a game so then the players might think twice (and with VAR good or not that can be used too) -

They won't always speak to the captain where a card is involved but if there is a possible debate regarding severity I think they want to maintain the channels of communication .

The biggest reason that TMO works and VAR doesn't, is in rugby the referee's decision is accepted as always being right, even when it's not. In football, the players and fans are brought up to see the referee as always against you, so he is therefore always wrong. Unless you change that mindset you won't change the acceptance of tech.

In Rugby, the referee is the sole judge of law and fact - this means that it doesn’t matter what everybody else thinks they saw, he is the sole judge and his decision is the only one that matters. He will relay this to the captains, and maybe the pack leaders, since they are responsible for managing their own players. This is why you seldom see a referee surrounded by players, because we all respect the laws of the game and the referee

Speaking about the captain not doing his job in football I have a war story about that. I had a game where one of the teams were Greek or Greek Cypriot and I spoke to the captain at the toss and told him to make his players aware that I understood Greek swear words and phrases and wouldn't hesitate to take action if any were directed at me. One of his players decided to give me a mouthful of Greek invective and I sent him off 😂. He had the audacity to appeal it too claiming that I didn't know what he'd said. He brought his captain as a witness who ended up proving me right lol.

Yellow is a 10 minute sin bin, but the same as football a second yellow becomes a red.

You should react to some Angus Gardner refereeing. He's usually good for a laugh, especially the clip with TJ Perenara!

I follow both codes (although more union as I'm from Gloucestershire) but I will say when it comes to the TMO I find league do it even better than union as the TMO explains things during the replays of incidents whereas in union you get the replays and then the decision at the end

Interestingly in Rugby, when the ball goes dead the ARs mics are turned up, but when the ball is in play you can only here the ref

Double card, doesn't happen very often, but when it does, there was a real reason for it.... A big reason why Rugby is so different from Soccer in this aspect is Respect, you learn from the beginning to respect the referee, to shut up, and listen. I remember when I started with Rugby, Referee is always right and even if he is not, he is the bloody referee, you have to respect the decision and at the end, you have to enjoy the game and respect the beauty of it

Haven't watched football since the mid 80s lol.. Rugby is different,, its brutally respectful and great to watch.. Never seen a Double red card in a game myself..

played both football and rugby and there is a world between them and I believe mindset is the biggest one, if every football coach would 'teach' the players to be more respectfull instead of cradling the talented ones football could become so much better

last one, yes it's French with an accent from the south of France

So, I'm a football referee in Denmark, and a rule I'd love to have in football is to "reverse" if the players are too slow. Example, a throw-in, if the team are too slow, reverse the direction and give the ball to the other team. Simple. The ability to reverse discisions would solve a lot of unprofessional behaviour in football. And, of course, send players off the field when they verbally abuse the referee, without hesitation. Then the players would learn really quickly to behave...

The bottom line, maybe, is football has much to learn from rugby. The ref knows that if one of these players goes off on one, it could be carnage, so he or she knows that respect is the glue that holds it all together. I must laugh at football's hard men. They simply would not survive with that attitude in rugby. Vinnie Jones would make waterboy, maybe. The love for Nigel Owens is real, by the way. Awesome, awesome fella

Yellow is a sin bin : 10 mins off the pitch. .Losing a player makes a huge impact due to players having a clear role to play on the pitch. Blood injuries are meant to go off and get sorted, rugby does a 'blood swap' a sub can come on while the injured player is patched up and cleaned up. TMO and ref being able to chat is useful, as the TMO knows what the Ref wants to see and sometimes the TMO will draw the ref attention to something he may not have seen off the ball.

A rule you missed, no fault of yours, the team warning. If there is persistent infraction of small rules (offside or handbags) the ref can put the entire team on a warning. The next player to break a rule on that team within a certain time (not sure what that time is) gets a yellow card.

Red cards are much more common now, especially when the head is involved. Concussion is a very big topic atm in rugby.

Yep, that's right. Yellow cars get's you a ticket to the sin bin for 10 minutes, where as Red, is... as we all know out out. 🙂🙂

I agree they should allow football fans to hear the referee conversation with the VAR because people tends to disagree with the VAR system if they can hear the conversation between Ref and VAR it might help the fans understand why the decision was given in the first place. I am a die hard rugby fan.

As a reserve player in Hobart in the early '90's, what the ref said was LAW. Some ref's you could see a bias to their former teams. One ref, a guy by the name of John Donaldson, a Scot , even though he used to play form team was always fair to the extreme. Most refs lived by this code. I remember being glad every time I saw him taking comfort as a new player, that if he called me out, it was fair. I now have one of his daughters as one of my bosses. I don't always agree, but the same as in rugby, fair and hard work.

Well done rob

Also, at least the way I learned Rugby, if you Fuc...d up on a game you are just hurting your team, not yourself, your team. If you make it to the A-Team (I mean you are not on the bench) you have the responsibility to behave, respect the Referee and enjoy the game, the Game is beautiful.

Rob, I know we have spoken a lot recently 😂, just a quick point, you said at the start with the cards speaking to the captains doesn’t help the situation in football, in my recent experience of trying some of these rugby refereeing styles out I have found quite the opposite the captains can help, sometimes obviously they have stuck up for their player but in other situations For example I had a situation between lockdown 2-3 where a player tackled, the player fouled then kicked out at said player, and then that player reacted by going head to head, causing a mini confrontation, I got in and split them quickly sending all players away, I called both captains in and explained to both, 1, your getting the FK for the original foul 2, your man is being sent off for VC and kicking out 3, your player is being cautioned for the foul and being cautioned again for Aggressive Attitude 4, go and get me your players please. (In this situation is where I would of reversed the decision like in rugby we spoke about the day other as the VC out weighs the RP challenge) There was no arguments from either capt or player and Infact I heard the Captains say to each other he managed that superb. So maybe somthing for you to consider in your future games? Your thoughts again welcome as we had a good chat 👍

It's a mum's way of dealing with incidents, ie: 'Look, I don't care who started it..........'

For blood injuries you get a blood replacement its the same for head injuries depending on how bad the head injury is the replacement will stay on

This may be of interest to you. From an NRL game that got very out of hand. A very unusual situation. 2 video's for it, first the incident and a very good interview with the ref about it, and second, the crowds reaction after the game, 'Bulldogs incident: Ref Gerard Sutton explains' and 'Referees Hit By Bottles after Bulldogs vs Rabbitohs 2015'. Unfortunatley it wont let me post links

VAR isn’t overtaking TMO, it’s about 10 years behind it. Rugby had used it for years longer and in a better way. There’s another official in a TV truck with access to all the camera angles and that’s who advises the referee on what sanction or decision should be made (the referee doesn’t need to listen if they don’t want to) VAR is a near enough brand new concept in football and it’s used so poorly

In rugby there is an unwritten rule that is "you have to agree with the referee", only the captain of the team can speak, if there is a complaint it should only be he who transmits it, any other player who complains, the team is penalized , thus avoiding that the game is distorted. When there is a warning (yellow card) or expulsion, it is accepted without complaint, because there may be a sanction against the team, one is trained in these precepts and trusts the referee. In the clubs they are taught from children (5-6 years) 95% adapt the remaining drop out. In my country (Argentina) rugby is amateur, that is the tradition, to train people with supportive and respectful social values (unfortunately there are regrettable exceptions).

Overturning a penalty is a useful tool, as is marching a team back another 10 metres when someone gobs off at you because you've just awarded a penalty against them. accompanied by a warning along the lines of "One more word from you and you're going to be spending 10 minutes on the sidelines". Double Reds... Not very often. It usually means that a match has kicked off big style. Quite often it's 2 yellows if 2 players decide to throw more than handbags at each other. The most cards I've ever issued in one game was 2 Reds and 2 yellows, all from the same incident. Let me know if you want the details. A yellow card is instantly 10 minutes in the "sin bin". 2 Yellows = Red Card... the same as in football. TMO vs VAR - TMO has been in place for a lot longer, and it's been developed to the point we're at now. The other problem there seems to be with VAR is that you're dealing with absolutes... You're either offside or you're not. In rugby, we consider the materiality aspect as well, i.e you're not really offside if you're not interfering with play or having some material effect on the game. Captains in rugby vs Football. In rugby the captain is responsible for the discipline of his team. Also we can stop the clock in rugby to talk to the captains and the offending players. I'm unsure if you can call time off in football. The solution in football would be a complete change of direction to where you currently are. You'd have to make the team captainsresponsible for discipline of their players, you'd need the levels of sanctions available to us in rugby and I don't see the governing bodies having the balls or will to make those sort of changes. Blood injuries - depends on the severity. Sometimes I just had some vaseline and a bit of tape applied. Job done... at the other end of the spectrum I've had to go off to get it sorted. Once was stitches in the dressing room, another was pressure on the wound, some padding and a headful of tape.

At 6:00 - Why ? Because the black nr 2 is going for the ball although the penalty has been blown against his team in order to prevent the red nr 9 from playing it quickly, and of course the black player makes a thing out of it (game slowed down = mission accomplished). I think the commentator picks up on it too. The red captain and nr 9 are not allowed to explain at any time, although the captain tries twice. Overall, bad refereeing imho.

You do have to go off in rugby for a blood injury. Sometimes you'll see players beings stitched up on the touchlines.

I’m going to add as I watch the videos as you make points that I’m curious on so if u see edits I apologise Point one : do you think in a red card situation if the ref in football explained to the captain why it would help the situation from a respect aspect ?? Double red card point : I can’t think of the top of my head where theirs been a double red card instance but I’m pretty sure their has and I think it be interesting to look into tbh Nigel catching the ball : I think when you see things like this it’s great as it shows the character of the referee and really empathises on how the players respects referees Yellow card in rugby is the sin bin yes : you get sent off for 10 minutes On ur point of TMO and VAR: I see a lot say fifa exc should adopt the TMO system which I agree with you ob that even if football refs are miced up it would make a huge difference Blood Injury : a lot of the time they don’t go off (unless for HIA) they just get bandaged up and continue play unless they are told they must be replaced Also the ref at the end speaking french . It is required that refs within rugby learn other languages other than English such as English ref learning french ( Barnes) is an example as he can speak french to help those who may not fully understand English

What is your view on the rugby approach of "time being off" when the referee needs to address an injury or a break in play, hence the timing of the game being clear to all players (and spectators), rather than the football approach of time being added on (which no one ever seems to agree with) close to the end of the 90 minutes and then the game ending when the clock goes "red"? Personally (but I'm a touch biased...) I love the approach of rugby where the game cannot end until (effectively) there is an error (if behind) or deliberate choice (if leading) by the team in possession, rather than the ref blowing the game up because his watch said so. (I'm also old enough to remember a game [World Cup IIRC] where the corner had been taken and the final whistle blew before the header that scored the goal happened...)

I’ve been playing rugby for more than 10years. And some answers to some of your questions. Yellow card: yes. In rugby a yellow card results in 10minutes in the sinbin. Red is the rest of the game, and now often has repercussions later (fines and further bans). Double cards (and double red cards): yes, multiple cards can be given to different players at the same time, and also the same player can be given multiple yellow cards. It usually occurs if there was an offence, and then a further offence committed in the fight etc after. There is a video of a game where like 5 people were sent off that you should check out. Finally, tackling/running into referees. Although rare over time I’ve had a couple of incidents of refs being tackled, or caught in a ruck or maul. I had one game where the player with the ball sidestepped behind the ref, I subsequently committed to a full force tackle of both of them. The ref recognised it was his fault, apologised and gave the other team a free kick. Whereas a few games later one of my mates had a similar incident, the ref got caught in a tackle accidentally. The ref overreacted. Red carded the player, but was then told by both coaches and lines judges that he was overreacting and that it was not an offence (my mate was eventually given a yellow instead). So I think it completely depends on the ref what the reaction to getting involved in play is. Plenty of refs get passed the ball and usually will recognise it’s there fault, although when it comes to tackling the referee and the ref getting caught in rucks and malls it often depends on how damaged their ego is, how badly they react. P.s. yes, it is french and he was pretty much just saying that one player began the incident, but the other player retaliated therefore both are getting yellow cards. Also. Really loving this series, keep it up

At that level & higher, penalty & card decisions for dangerous play are reviewed. If deemed to warrant more serious sanctions than what was handed out on the field, playing bans for xx duration can be issued, along with fines. That is one reason why the players don't argue very often, they don't want to make their case worse. Lifetime bans have been issued in the past. At all levels, dangerous play can be referred to the governing body for investigation.

Adrenaline often takes over in rugby. That's why you see handbags.

I think that both the football ref on the pitch And the football equivalence of the Rugby TMO should be miced up. That way there'd be no question about a call from the ref.

You should do a live watch along to the Wales France game on Saturday- ref is Luke Pearce, second best in the business and Wayne Barnes is TMO, the best ref in the world

I always found a stray on the pitch amusing especially if it liked chasing balls.

16:25 its not overtaking its always been ahead there has almost never been fans or players who don't want TMO its much better for the game and pretty much everyone likes and wants it. However in gootball VAR all I ever seem to hear about it is criticism and people not liking it

7:55 About double red card - red card is given mainly for a dangerous foulplay (for example a charge where there is a direct impact point on the head or neck, or when a player is thrown to the ground on his head or neck), therefore I can't think about a red given to a set of players. It would have to be a fist fight and even then only if it took more than a couple of shots. As it is a full-contact sport, way higher on the ladder in this department than association football, simple pushing, shoving and even a mild brawl is not deemed to be a red card offence. ____ 18:10 About speaking to captains - it comes more natural in rugby than it seems in football as a) referee can stop the clock and b) laws of the game, offside rule in particular, result in that one team is on one side and opposing team is on the other side of a referee. Attacking team forms a line as well as defending team. Speaking to your players as a captain doesn't require picking your centre forward and your goalkeeper separated by 70 meters who are totally mixed up with the guys from a different team.

Respecting the referee's decision as a final choice has been woven into the game since the beginning. That way the acting up, challenging the ref', surrounding them to influence difficult decisons, and the need for players to pretend they have been cheated that you see in football has been largely removed from the game

I've never known a double red card in my time however it's not impossible. I'd say reds happen when a player is acting very dangerously and normally the whole team is aswell so I've known games to be called off before the second red can be raised

in rugby, captains are the only players who are allowed to talk to the ref, question decisions, and disagree with them. that's why captains are always involved, when cards are issued. there is one player who was [he's now retired] renowned for his relationship with refs. undoubtedly the best in the world at it. it was Sam Warburton, of Wales and the British and Irish Lions. his way with refs was so good, that in one game between the Lions and the All blacks, after the ref gave a penalty, near the end of the game, which would have sealed the win, Sam managed to convince the ref to change his decision and award a scrum. the game ended in a draw. there was no-one else in the world who could have done that. he's a great loss to the game and to referees

A few years ago two entire Unions, and a Confederation, got in trouble with World Rugby over a lack of integrity. During qualifying for, i think Rugby World Cup 2019, the European Qualifier final was Spain vs Romania, Romania won the match, but after a lot of questionable calls. World Rugby got involved in the investigation over what happened and found that, for the final, European Rugby assigned a Romanian referee to the final. After further investigation all three parties involved got in trouble, Rugby Europe for lack of integrity and forethought, Romanian Rugby Union for the biased officiating, and for having non-eligible players on the team. Spain for (justifiably, but still no excuse) attempting to attack the referee after the game, and also for fielding non-eligible players (in Spain's case, about have the team was already capped for France). After all was said and done, the third place team, Russia, went to the World Cup.