Yeah it's very manageable and predictable with the chainsaw grip

@@tracksidetactical7096 Thanks. Who makes that 20 round drum?

@@jcarne1015 Pro Mag

@@tracksidetactical7096 Thanks. Never have cared much for their products, but might give it a try.

Adding an adapter with buffer tube and brace makes it better as well. ;)

Yeah I thought about that. Next time I bring it out I'll have to try that with the light loads

Good idea

Led me to think

I'll try that. I thought I had the lighter spring in it

Lock the bolt back for a month it will weaken the spring enough for the lighter loads

@tygur23 Not true. As an engineering student I can tell you that a constant retention of a spring does not weaken it, but it is the repetitive motion of compression and release that wears a spring. That's why it is OK to leave a magazine loaded.

@@totalrecall2267 thats weird its worked for 5 of our VR80 and if you do some research its working for thousands of other people. And also alot of Drum manufacturers recommend not keeping drum magazines loaded because of spring weakening. You might wanna get a refund on your education 🤔

@tygur23 LOL, I was being polite by saying "engineering student" because I've found that when someone says they're an engineer in an internet comment section others will assume they're not telling the truth, in fact I've been an industrial manufacturing engineer for 30 years. The idiot suggesting not leaving the drum loaded because spring wear doesn't know Jack Shit, maybe you should look to a better source such as Glock, Sig, etc...repeated action is what softens steel springs not a state of compression. Are your springs on your truck wearing out now as it sits in the lot, no, only through use....as for as your, "5," I believe it was, VR80's? Wow, could've made better use of that money...anyway, correlation does not imply causation, your gun, if you have one, likely became "broke in" over a period of use. Cheers!

No I just needed to have the bolt open to put the drum in

Exactly! Lol I just wanted something ridiculous for a range toy, something a little different.

Glad you both have $$$ to waste BUT I buy something for self defense, it better work everytime. An drum mags are crap...Period

@@robertkeller9828 haha! Forgot all about that gun. Gives me a chuckle seeing it again.

It's considered a "firearm". No tax stamp needed

Thank you! The forend spike is called a shockwave spike. I'm not sure of the length since that one came with my Mossberg shockwave accessories.

@@tracksidetactical7096 I ordered a chainsaw grip on eBay that looks identical to yours, but It didn't fit the lower rail cant attach it. Which one did you get? Thank you.

@@justaskdad I can't remember the brand but I do remember it didn't fit right so I needed to shim it with zip ties on the bottom part to get it to clamp right. Hopefully that helps you out

Thank you!

The VRF-14 is actually classified as a "firearm", not a pistol since the OAL is greater than 26". From everything I have read it is perfectly legal.

I got this one when I bought the aces tactical rail for my shockwave. I just had to put a longer bolt in the back of it and it worked perfect. Look up shockwave spike. They have different lengths

Thank you! And no problem. I'm building another one at the moment just a little different

It was either Amazon or optics planet. Just type ar15 carry handle on Google and a bunch should pop up for ya!

I'm going to be posting a video of my new VRF14 that has a folding adapter and buffer tube for a pistol brace when I get back home. Out of town for work at the moment

It's a 12 gauge firearm that comes with a pistol grip.

Oh lol my bad. I got the PF14. Which is just like the Shockwave. It's got a bird head grip on it. And you can't replace it on that. I thought it was that one. Just realized it was the box fed version.

Amazon for about 30 bucks. I had to do a little trimming so my knuckles had clearance and needed to shim the part the mounts to the picatinny to get it to tighten up better. After that it worked pretty good.

Wow, that's a nice price! This thing is awesome!

I just ordered my online. Type in chainsaw shotgun grip

Ebay 35 bucks

Pro mag

A 1919 correct?

@@ReeeeeToaded yep

What modifications did you have to do?

Inquiring minds would like to know…👀❓

I'd say go with both! Stage them each in different places around the house and if/when the SHTF plan to have the pistol on the belt in a holster and also have the VRF14 "firearm" on a sling and use it till it jams and if needed drop the scattergun onto its sling and switch to the sidearm.

Yeah I like the concept. Wish they would have based it off of the VR80 instead of the VR60.

They can be found for around 500!

PSA is running a special right now (11/25)... $299!

Yeah I'm going to give it a try without the chainsaw grip!

@@tracksidetactical7096 Perhaps try just holding the gun via the foregrip - with the chainsaw grip still on the gun - before outright removing the chainsaw grip. If the drum still fails to feed then you wouldn't have to waste time & effort removing the chainsaw grip for nothing (especially since it looks so cool) and you could keep the chainsaw grip and just use the drum for non-defensive / non-critical situations.

@@HTown99 good idea

Lol idk. Didn't really want to catch birdshot in the eye haha has plenty of bullet holes in it tho

Yeah I don't have the gun anymore but I did try that and it helped!

I had one on there when I first got it but got but got to have too many grips on it so I took it off lol

To be honest after shooting it for a while I questioned it. That gun is long gone. It was still a fun range toy but you really couldn't aim with it.

I agree. I think they are fun at the range when they actually work but they are not all that reliable.

Because they wanna shoot cheap as possible lol i don't get it either then call it junk cus it wont run 🤣

Lol I know it's obnoxious and dumb to some but that was kind of the point. It's just a range toy.

Lol it's a range toy.

It's built by RIA USA manufacturing