all us Arkham fans need to pretend this isn’t canon because we all know batman wouldn’t die like this

Arkham Batman dying is not the issue, its how he dies that gets me. The same guy who fought and defeated 8 elite assassins sent to kill him personally early on in his career, the same guy who stopped a private militia in a night, the same guy who survived going through Arkham Asylum, dies on a park bench after barely a couple of minutes of dialogue?

Not only it's how he dies; it's the complete bastardization of the character's development as well. In the final moments of his life, they took Gotham's savior and turned him into a monster, a complete villain, Joker won in the end, the entire psychological arc he went through AK was for nothing, everyone who put their faith in Bruce is dead, his allies and family betrayed, it's like some edgy 13 year old's fanfic. And after doing this, they couldn't even bother to give him one final act of redemption with a heroic death or sacrifice, no, they gave him the most disrespectful death possible. This ain't Arkham universe, they're just using the name for their stupid game to make money.

Imagine Insomniac Spider-Man unceremoniously getting stabbed to death in the Wolverine game after getting hypnotized by Mesmero.

Joker Ghost: "What? You survive everything I ever threw at you only to die now, like this?"

This is how it happened. This is how rocksteady, killed the Arkham verse.

They can't "Ruin" Arkham Batman if a large portion of the fanbase doesn't acknowledge this game as canon

GOOD NEWS: It has been confirmed Kevin Conroy recording lines for the upcoming animated movie Crisis in Infinite Earths 3! And specifically, he is voicing the version that made him the star he was: The BTAS version of Batman! Now THAT'S a Sendoff! It saddens me how most SS supporters simply go "Stop crying it's just a game" at the idea of having grown attached to the Arkhamverse, making wonder if any of the people coming to this game even played the previous Batman games or if any of them really cared for the story. Rocksteady were masters of blending amazing gameplay with gripping narratives. The stories of the Arkham series were as big of an element as the gameplay itself. Yet these supporters act like growing attached to these characters, to care about the narrative, is something that should be considered ridiculous. The true image of "Don't ask questions, just consume product and get excited for next product!" Spoiling the story a bit more so skip this bitn if you don't wanna know: even looking further one can see how much of a slap in the face the SS game story is to it's predecessors. Batman fakes his death, detatches from his family...only to them be "Oh hey I'm back and I'm gonna hang out with my justice league friends!", only to then get brainwashed, kill his own family and then die by getting shot by harley. It also retroactively ruins Arkham Knight's plot; A entire story about Batman struggling against the memory of Joker, who's grip on his body and sanity could lead him becoming what he fears the most: A batman who kills and destroys the innocent. He manages to overcome it and cleanse himself from Joker's control. But now we must accept that no, in the end, it didn't even matter, because no matter what we did in Arkham Knight, all of Bruce's accomplishments were for nothing. He still go brainwashed, he still became a bringer of death and destruction. In the end he lost. It's like seeing a movie, and then you see the sequel, and because they couldn't get some actor or couldn't think of a better plot, they had to write some terrible reason of why everything is back to Status Quo. It's cheap, it's convenient to the writer, but the viewer gets cheated from having invested on the previous instalment. There was NO NEED to make this game be set in the Arkhamverse. At the end of the day beyond a cute museum tour and the Knightmare battle, nothing that happens IN the previous games truly has any importance to the SS plot. Hell, with the game introducing the concept of Elseworlds there was even less of a reason! Using the Arkhamverse was nothing but a nostalgic choice to grab people who enjoyed the Arkham verse but wouldn't vibe with the gameplay of SS. As said before. Feels cheap and convenient to the creators, and awfully disheartening for fans.

Perhaps we treated Gotham knights too harshly….

We should all just consider the game not canon. it's better that way.

Wonder Woman Saves The Justice League would have been incredible… imagine being able to play as wonder woman with the gameplay style like Ryse Son of Rome

We can pretend this is not canon so the Arkham legacy will live on untainted.

Should've been Teen Titans vs The Justice League.

They couldn’t bother coming up with unique ways of killing the justice league, smh. Just bullets

The balls to have that tribute at the end... they should be ashamed.

Whatever, this isn't canon in my head. I'll stay far away from this game.

It’s worth noting that dataminers found evidence that they’re going to bring the JL back in post-game seasons, including Batman so this definitely isn’t the end of him. Plus it’s implied in game that Brainiac gave them regeneration abilities. That being said, it was a bit of a shitty move to end things like this, especially given Kevin’s passing and how it’s meant to be the end of the Arkhamverse

Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League did so much wrong. Especially killing Arkham Batman.

I think what irks me the most is them allowing Batman to be killed at the hand of a character who did nothing to earn it. If it were Arkham Joker, it would sting but at least it would feel earned. Harley Quinn is just Joker's girlfriend, but they try to make it seem like she's earned a spot in the Arkhamverse that's worthy of having killed Batman. Just my two cents.

For as bad as portraying Batman & the league as is, it’ll never be canon. Arkham knight’s story is flawed but that’s his true ending, and I’m happy we’ll see Kevin’s Batman one more time in the crisis on infinite earths animated trilogy.

Sad part this completely obliterates Arkham Knight's whole Narrative in that Batman struggles to fight the mind control of the Joker refusing to become a mass murderer that would kill his friends and family. Only to become a mind controlled mass murder that did kill his friends and family (Robin at least was confirmed offscreened). Sure Brainiac would likely have far more effective mind control means than the Joker, but from a narrative stand point, that re-tread is absolutely stupid.

Guarantee this is on sale, 75% off, this summer.

Thankfully, Kevin's BTAS Batman will be in the crisis on infinite earth's animated film(s). I'm not sure if it's part 2 or 3, but hopefully a more respectful send-off.

Suicide Squad is necrophilia in game format

The next Batman game needs to have Bruce waking up and telling Alfred that he just had the weirdest nightmare

I absolutely believe Rocksteady was capable of making the definitive Superman game instead of this.

Of course, Wonder Woman is the only hero who isn't brainwashed and of course her death was done in a more tasteful manner than the other League members. Especially Batman the guy that we followed for four games nah screw him make his death as pathetic as possible. Can't believe that this is the last time we get to hear Kevin Conroy the disrespect on him and the character he played for three decades. Hope this game bombs Rocksteady.

I truly disagree with the notion that a Superman Game can't be done right, there are countless examples of how it could easily be achieved, for instance games like God of War has Kratos(a God) fight other Gods and travel throughout many pantheons doing so for either revenge or redemption stuff like that, another example would be something like Prototype (Gameplay wise) You can fly around multiple cities and take on countless threats that are akin to your level or above and the way you play especially in Prototype 2 with the Radnet abilities like the Laser Eyes and such really give you that Superman like feel, then you have most of the Dragon Ball Games, a lot of which pretty much make you automatically Superman like in that you can fly through space and have access to a plethora of abilities that enable you to do soo many incredible things all while playing through a narrative that doesn't bog you down or feel out of place for someone of your high power level. Superman has a plethora of enemies you can mold an entire game around, characters like Metallo who's powered by Kryptonite, Parasite who can drain your powers just by touching you, Brainiac who's a 12th level intellect that has technology that can easily deal with your strength and abilities, Mongal who has a weaponized planet as his arsenal and is already a physical match for Superman to begin with, Lex Luthor who's developed countless counter measures to deal with Superman's abilities even weaponizing Kryptonite of many different varieties with varying effects, not to mention stuff like Red Sun Guns which can temporarily shut down Superman's Powers. Mr. Mixy who's a 5th Dimensional Imp with Reality Bending Powers that can really Mess up Superman if he's not careful, Darkseid who's a God in his own right, Doomsday who's a Superman Killer, and of course the many alternate versions of Superman or other Kryptonian's like himself such as Bizarro, Ultraman, Zod and many others. I think you get the point, there's no shortage of ways or characters that can give Superman Trouble in his own game/verse. Superman can do anything yes but that doesn't mean he can't be done right in his own game, would you have to limit certain things? possibly though I'd argue that right now with how advanced stuff like Unreal Engine and other tools are now there's no reason we can't try to make it work, just saying "it's too hard" or "It's unrealistic" or whatever is like giving up trying to learn how to cook or how to write a novel because it's "too hard" nothing in life is easy to achieve but that's why much like Superman you never give up, even when it's hard, especially when it's hard because you only fail when you've truly given up. I truly believe a Superman Game can be done right, it just takes Time, Talent and Effort much like with anything else, nothing is impossible.

The amount of people on social media who're dismissive to those who are upset about this is not only infuriating it's sad to see in the fanbase.

It’s sad to see the Batman I grew up with reduced to an evil skinwalker with little to no connection to who he used to be

Still baffled that they didn’t do a Batman Beyond game that’s set a decade after the events of Arkham Knight where they could have introduce Terry McGuiness or Damian Wayne in a dystopian near future Gotham City where The Bat Family’s roster has expanded, they’re in a dire situation trying to keep the city in order and have to rely upon more questionable methods since the absence of Batman. That’s where an Heir To The Cowl storyline some Court of Owls stuff and some original storylines are introduced

I hate this game with all of my soul. It's just a poorly executed, disrespectful, waste of space mess of a game. It should've been rejected the moment it was pitched. It's terrible in every fathomable way. People don't wanna kill the Justice League. They wanna *play* as them. Any way you slice it, a game like this will always leave a bad taste in peoples' mouths. Especially mine due to Kevin Conroy's situation in it. Screw this game. Screw everything about it. I am done with this bullcrap.

At least Gotham Knights RESPECTED its characters.

I also heard that Kevin also recorded lines reprising his role as BTAS Batman in the crises on infinite Earths movie so I’m just glad that this wasn’t his last performance as the caped crusader

I refuse to believe that this game exists

I met Kevin Conroy twice, the first time was awesome but it was the second meeting that was special. It was November 2015 at a local comic con and was also the last day of the con, everyone who had wanted to see him had already done so over the past couple days (I have anxiety and cons are exhausting) so I got to speak with him for about 20 minutes. He even sneakily told me that he was going to be Batman in the upcoming Killing Joke movie (“Keep an ear out in January “ and winked) I got some pictures and he signed my copy of Arkham Knight (still have it). I’m deeply saddened that they not only did this to his character but also his legacy. Kevin Conroy was one of, if not the nicest celebrity that I met at a comic con (you can tell when someone wants to be there or not) and he doesn’t deserve to have this be his final role as Batman.

Even if this was not the last appearance of Conroy as Batman..... Arkham Batman himself is one of the best videogame characters ever and deserved a better ending.

Should of ended the arkham timeline at Knight. I really enjoyed the idea of Batman just faking his death and fully giving into being batman and never to be seen again. Back to being something of a myth. It felt like such a good way to 360 the start the start of origins how everyone thinks Batman is just a myth.

They should've had Batman sacrifice himself to stop Brainiac.

Even if we explored the other DC heroes in the Arkhamverse, that doesn't change how tasteless this would be. Without it, the hero we spent years on is pushed off to the side. With it, the heroes we got are being killed off by lesser characters with mediocre jokes and no respect. The concept, alone, is totally fucked.

Actually there was a justice league beat up game called justice league heroes. I have fond memories of this game and hope they put it in the PlayStation premium later on.

I kind of thought Harley would grow as a character and not shoot Batman, maybe keep him tied up and try and find a cure for him in Brainiac's ship, Not only would Arkham Verse Batman go out still on top and possibly get another boss battle but it would allow Harley Qwinn to grow as a character like in many other version's and to show that Batman helped someone to thier path of redemption....I'm not even a writer and I somehow came up with a better ending to The Game than people that get paid to do it did

Also worth taking into account that when Rocksteady made the first Arkham Asylum, they said in interviews that this game could be seen as a "Spiritual Sequel" to the Batman Animated Series. Which means that to some extent they designed and wrote this Batman to be a character people who had watched the animated series could easily identify with.

4:10 i dont need superman to be able to do everything he can in a game, im fine with a game of superman where he is a bit limited, and if people are worried about superman being unvulnerable in a game then they just have to add more powerfull enemies in the story of the game, many times superman had trouble dealing with enemies less powerfull than him

Gotta give this game the "Pacific Rim" treatment and act like this sequel didn't exist

"I don't have the capicity meme" is how I feel 😂😂😂

Honestly I loved the way Arkham Knight ended without us knowing what happened to Batman continuing it was a mistale from the beginning

they really should have made them go after the crime syndicate instead..would have made better sense and could have been another universe or reality....and what they did to the bat is unforgivable...

Rocksteady definitely were held hostage to make this game

I mean this is the same Batman that beat his whole rogues gallery in one night and in Batman assault on Arkham which is canon to the games he beats the the suicide squad and now we are supposed to believe a ruthless Batman that isn’t holding back can’t beat these 4

wow the ending bit with reading the lines in kevin's voice really hit great work on the vid

One way to make a Superman game work is have the opening show him get golden Kryptonite get stuck in him, zapping his abilities. Or since he's weak to magic, have a curse be placed on him.

I have only played arkham knight so from what i seen it makes no sense for this batman to die from just a bullet shot and as well as the justice league for that matter

We as fans don't count this as canon .

This video made me feel better about what happened, thank you for that.

This was a good video and I agree. That was touching to hear about how your Dad bought you Arkham Asylum. My late Dad bought me Arkham City right when it came out. Probably the best Birthday gift ever. Coincidently Kevin Conroy and him shared a Birthday! Lol

There is a scene .. when Flash got defeated .. Captain boomerang pisses on his dead body ... Literally it is there on the game .. So so sad😢

They should take notes from DC universe online... Let us make a character that for some comic reasons give us powers.. where we can even choose them... and we go through the story slowly becoming part of the justice league... imagine the easter eggs they could trow at us.. where we perhaps are in the Justice league unlimited universe... or heck... REMAKE DC UNIVERSE ONLINE

This is what they want. They want to take something you hold in high regard, and destroy it in the most degrading way possible, to crush any happiness you have towards that property, and laugh in your face while doing so. Many such cases.

Absolutely loved this, it's my 1st video of yours. You really captured the pain I've felt hearing about the way they handled Batman in this game. I didn't hear about Robin until this video, and it just solidifies that I want nothing to do with the game, even if it does look fun. I appreciate you sharing your memories of batman, and mine as well as millions of others relate in some fashion. I don't understand why they insist on character assassination, I don't consider this game cannon, and batman still roams Gotham, for all time. P.S. Subbed

I have no issues with the game. Now Harley Quinn? Yes I have an issue. She never had a relationship with ivy (yet she alludes to having had one with her) in the arkhamverse and she refers to the joker as her ex yet she was madly in love with him even after he died. In Arkham knight Harley Quinn and all of Batman’s villains got pissed at ivy for not helping them kill Batman. Harley never dated ivy or even let alone was her friend

That is such a tasteless idea. This game is so confusing

For the justice league point, you could go “Batman: Justice League” and have you still play as batman, but have him work with the rest of the JLA with limited areas where you play as the others.

It's like a crash. You know what's going to happen but can't look away

The people defending this game on Twitter are hilarious😂 They’re so delusional

Let’s be honest, the suicide squad was connected to the Arkham verse for money, like what do they add?

Unrelated question, does it take a lot of time to animate your character the way you do? I usually put your videos in the background while I do chores around the house and stuff so I never really paid attention to the quality of animation, I did today however and I'm pleasantly surprised. Facial expressions and body language are very fitting to the commentary and charming AF, clearly some animations are reused but you mix them up and shift in-between them fluidly so it's barely noticable, the overall result is great. So yeah, I was wondering if it's a complicated/time-consuming process or if it's something quick and easy for you at this point.

That last patron is a legend! 😂

First! I was waiting for this video

Why did they ruin batman? Are they stupid?...

I’ve been a Batman fan since I was 4 years old. I grew up watching Batman TAS when it originally aired. I also agree that anytime I read a Batman comic I always imagine Kevin Conroy’s voice for Batman. Kinda like I always imagine Mark Hamill for The Joker. Batman is my all time favorite DC Superhero. I’m also somewhat disappointed on how they treated Spider-Man (Peter Parker) in Insomniac’s Spider-Man 2. I’ve been a Spider-Man fan since I was 6 years old. I grew up watching Spider-Man TAS when it originally aired. Anytime I read a Spider-Man comic I usually imagine hearing Christopher Daniel Barnes’ voice or Rino Romero’s voice. Spider-Man is my all time favorite Marvel superhero.

Hey channel pup, the backtrack sounds really familiar. Could you tell me what is is

They made Jim Gordon black in the movie, they made Deadshot black in the game, they made notBatman black in Invincible. They made Harley unattractive, ruining her appeal. It's like they want me to not buy their products ever again.

Just subscribe your channel since I known you from 2020 or 2021, and still continue today for watching your videos!

Honestly, with the sa2 ending music made the video kinda sad, especially when you started talking about kevin Conroy/Batman but great video.

I've grown up with this series when i saw batman get shot on a bench after everything he's been through that fucking hurt

9:09 Arkham subreddit moment

Man harley must be giving batman a library long speech in the death screen

His last performance is in Crisis On Infinity Earth's Part 3 as Batman from BTAS

Bro got shot in the back like old yeller

Best Kevin performance for me is definitely the one in "Mask of the Phantasm" when he talk to his parents's grave, thinking that he could be happy with Andrea. I don't what would be the worst : that or his cameo in Batwoman's Infinite Crisis special.

This death is much worse than Joel's death in The Last of Us 2.

00:18 = What's the opening music? Sounds Segaish

I’m praying for post story content to somehow undo the characters dying from what we’ve been told at least something significant is going to happen that’s going to recontextualize things that happened in the main story

Channel pup have you ever seen the movie franchise mission impossible

The Guardians of the Galaxy game handled a team dynamic by having you only play as Star Lord and commanding the team individually either in combat or to solve puzzles. It had really focused gameplay and a tight story. I feel like they could have done something similar with having you only play as Harley, building off Arkham gameplay she had on the challenge maps mixed with a more advanced version of the team combos Batman and Robin used in AK. It also probably would have been a better game if they went against their orders and saved the JL.

Hard to believe Rocksteady was the studio responsible for Arkham Asylum. What a fall from grace

What the ....were they thinking!?

Oh man...to think I collected all those Riddler trophies for this...

A lot of people saying that we aren't allowed to be upset don’t understand why we are. That's what's just as upsetting besides the primary subject.

Keep in mind that the team behind suicide squad is a new Rocksteady team, as most of the old ones have left and also Sweet Baby inc. is was involved

Actually, conroy is maybe in crisis part 3, but brice timm confirmed hes not in the new show. He had talked with Conroy about it, but sadly conroy passed first.

7:31 They even posed him like his shilouette from the end of the BTAS opening.

I'm glad you said that the game, as a game, looks fun to play. I'm getting inFamous Second Son, Crackdown 3 and Saints Row 4 vibes from the preview footage and I like... all of those games. (Those titles, coincidentally, make me feel a Justice League game where you play as the League could be done well. Keeping Superman in Metropolis could be as simple as an invisible wall where he turns around and says, "There's still work to be done here." Same as how Batman turns around if you try to glide out of Arkham City.) Sadly, off, the studio's founders left, off, it's had delays, oof, it's always online with live service elements and an in-game currency for microtransactions, oof, there's a Year One content roadmap which includes an awful looking Elseworlds Joker that disrespects Arkhams City and Knight, oof, they're charging £30 extra to play a week early and the servers went down straight away, oof, the leaks have now been confirmed and yeesh, they treat DC's characters, especially Batman, terribly. This will be a case of curiosity getting the better of me when it flops hard and gets reduced to £25 physical on clearance.

Good video

The post credit scene did tribute right for Batman/ Kevin.

I havent had much hope for this studio in a while. Gotham Knights was a taste of how clueless theyve become. Theres a reason why the founders of the company have left. I am surprised WB let this thing out the door.

The fact that Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League was Kevin Conroy's final Batman performance before he passed away is very upsetting because of the way they killed off Batman. Also rest in peace, Mr. Conroy. You'll always be my favorite Batman.

One of my favorite Batman comics was a Batman choose your own adventure comic where Batman must chase the Riddler as he runs into a booby trapped maze. As you read on and on you meet dead ends after dead ends, dying in hilarious ways, however, there's a trick to solve the maze... (Spoilers from here, if you want to experience it yourself it's contained inside Batman Black and White #5, it's an anthology story so you'll have to turn the pages to find it) As you turn pages after pages, going back to the start or resetting, you'll inevitable see panels that show Batman winning, but there's no pathway to access them. They're all isolated panels, but if you ignore Riddler's page numbers, and go by the inaccessible pages, you can corner the Riddler. Riddler accuses Batman of cheating, that he made the impossible game and Batman was meant to lose. Batman replies: "That's the difference between you and me, Edward. Only someone as sick as you could think this is ever a game." I read it in Kevin's voice.

I’ve had a grudge about this all day and I can let it go.