Agree totally with what you said. However, my chiropractor gave me a series of stretches for my horse to do. So I would do them BEFORE I rode. This way, you have loosened up the muscles before I got on. After my chiropractor taught me these exercises, I always used them. I used them even in days we didn't ride. It turned out, my horse improved his muscles so much his back came up by several inches! My chiropractor was thrilled with the results. In addition I would add any other amount of stretches could be done at the walk while warming up. There is definitely no place for any of that during a test. Probably in this case. Be cause of Rollkur, that's why the horse is " stiff " in the first place.

Agree

U can say and say phrases like that forever. As long as u do not fight for it to make it happen and fight for justice. The horses are continually used and destroyed. Or do u actually think words are strong enough to end that? U really have to go the court. Words in hope and to speak out truth is not strong enough to end that what the horses there are made for - to bring money.

Easy way to check: Nose must be in front of the vertical, poll must be the highest point.

AMEN!

I agree. Collection implies gathering impulsion. When you gather impulsion you get suspension (cadence).

Wtf

Collection can never be forced, it has to be offered from the horse. And it has nothing to do with the neck or head position, but how the horse carries its weight through its body.. The head position, is one of the last things that fall into place, when the horse falls into collection in our hands. It can carry itself perfectly well, in front of the vertical, but never behind it, as it creates tension. Weak horses will fall behind the vertical during training their strength, which is why I don't want people to focus on the head or neck position, when they are riding, but how the horse feels under their seat, is it hollow in the back, can you make the horse step better under itself, so it lifts its back, without it going faster? Does it lean the shoulder in, or does it loop around your leg aid? That's what's important, the head will automatically fall into place, as all the other puzzles are done. A soft flexible body, with a calm focused head, is what brings collection.

@@Galemor1 Excellent explanation, you put into words what I could not. 👏

Oooo good idea! I’ll keep it In mind! 🙃

EXACTLY! Thank you for understanding

Because these people are egomaniacs and they don’t care a fig about their horses. The horses are just there to be used and make money 😬

@@dnr2089 Most equestrians really do care and love there horses but other people like the racing industry really dont

@@emotionalequestrian23 Oh yes I agree. I'm a rider myself with 55 years of experience (but I'm no expert!). I'm just speaking about these rogues that do mistreat their horses.

Because people don't want to put in the time and effort to learn to collect a horse .

Genau! Siehe bitte meinen Kommentar auf englisch weiter oben.

Agree

it is but some of the people who are judging don't care

Why indeed..........

yep!

Poor King of dressage

To make them “look pretty “ or there just too dam lazy to teach the horse to be soft

You have already risen to a level some at the highest levels never understand!!!

Because it has been successful in competition.

It's much easier to hold the horses head in this position, while riding a collection, is way more work for the rider.. Collection means that you have to be constantly adjusting to the horse, you need to give and take, so the horse has the right support in the different changes.. Rollkur means that you can fix the horses head in one position, and it's actually also easier for the horse, because it isn't actually working through its body, which is why they have these legs going everywhere.. It creates flashy movements, while collection is controlled movement. You don't see legs flopping around in collection, because the horse is in a balanced controlled body.. Think about it as strings, in rollkur, the "collection" is forced, and fake. Which means that the strings are lose, which again creates those floppy but flashy movements.. In true collection, those strings are tight, so every movement the horse does, affects or are affected by the strings.. Which gives this rhythmic, calm, but powerful movement.. Levade, is the most collected motion you can train your horse to do. The piaffe, is the build up into the Levade.. It's where you keep the engagement and the rhythm of the trot, into a stop, where the horse then trot on the spot, and as there's no way forward, this forces the movement up.. The horse will lower its bum, and lift its front, but continue to trot, almost like it's trotting up an invisible mountain. This position the horse to be balanced for the levade, which is a controlled, balanced rearing up.. This was used during combat, to either push the other horse out of balance, or just give leverage for the rider to fight the other rider.. Dressage started as a form for control during combat on horseback. The horses should be able to move in a way, that didn't make the rider lose balance. It was all about rideablity and maneuvers, that kept you close to the enemy, in balance and control.. Also, they rode with one hand, as the other one was used to hold the weapon. So today's dressage competition, is a joke...

Why are you explaining, this way of riding is damaging to the horse. Enough is enough

Exactly. I was schooled in the classical model and after many years am returning to the sport. I don't think I want a trainer; I would rather have a sound middle aged horse to school for our mutual pleasure rather than dealing with "trainers" who hew to methods and seats that no doubt have my riding masters of old spinning in their graves.