Ronin Katana Dojo Elite Review and Destruction

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Matthew Jensen

Matthew Jensen

Жыл бұрын

This is a review and failure test of a Ronin Katana Dojo Elite katana. The sword was a scratch and dent sword sold a few years ago. It was provided by sword friend Garland for review and destruction. The hope was to answer two questions, are these blades made with Soshu Kite as advertised and if so, what benefit does it have?
Each of these blades are unique and I did not take detailed measurements of this blade. I have some of other Ronin Elites. This one was similar.
Non-Destructive Review of Ronin Dojo Elite- • Ronin Katana Dojo Elit...
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@RyanR-lw7fu
@RyanR-lw7fu Жыл бұрын
Great review Matthew! Loved all the closeups of the grain & lamination! We appreciate all your hard work with breaking & etching. I hope the move is going/has gone well.
@thatguynameddan2136
@thatguynameddan2136 Жыл бұрын
Funny how that journey, or at least that part of it, has gone full circle. Fitting somehow. Very excited for content from your new spot as well, new beginnings in a sense are always fun.
@VeridianHerald
@VeridianHerald Жыл бұрын
Well done sir. This review required a not insignificant amount of time travel. Thanks for cracking this one open for us. Also, safe journey to your new home. Looking forward to seeing what you do there
@JoeSteel1
@JoeSteel1 Жыл бұрын
Great Momentous Last Video, Matt...so much meaning starting with Ronin and ending with Ronin. Looking forward to your next KZfaq studio and many best wishes on the new home my friend
@bern1228
@bern1228 Жыл бұрын
Good luck on the move. Best wishes and happy blessings to the new place. Appreciate you and what you do.
@JoeSteel1
@JoeSteel1 Жыл бұрын
Wow, You put alot of work into The Breaks, very informative and great to be noted
@JCOwens-zq6fd
@JCOwens-zq6fd Жыл бұрын
Well done as always. About what ive come to expect from many Ronin sword models. Not horrible, not great, decent price etc.
@GGolden219
@GGolden219 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this great review and all your efforts put into this particular video. It is really awesome how you began your sword review endeavor with a RK and 15 years later, ended with a RK before moving to a new location - super cool! In most of your reviews you mention, "feels good in the hands or easy to move around," and it is generally subjective. In this case, I have personally held and used this sword, and now I have something to compare with my own thoughts and opinions of it's maneuverability, which is rare. Things to note: - The ito was not altered and was tight from the first day I received it. No lacquer or wax, just my own hand oils. - The kurigata did break off over the years and I used whatever glue I had laying around at the time to fix it. I do not recall the exact adhesive used, but it was a rush job where I slapped on some glue and just let it rest until dry (no real pressure added). - The saya was never altered, other than kurigata issue, and it maintained tension at the koiguchi very well from day one, and almost zero rattle in the saya. - Yes, there are occasionally versions with a bohi, and I do have one available. I purchased this scratch and dent because I didn't want to abuse the prettier RK elites that I own. Because you never did a destruction test for an elite (until now), I had to beat one up myself. Although I never struck metal, I did battle trees and everything or anything I could find laying around the house or in the garage. For the amount of abuse I put it through, I'm glad to see that there was still more it could handle. Thank you again for everything you've done with this review and all the extra effort with the etching, so we could all finally see the inside of a RK elite blade. I knew this review would be special to me because the sword came from my personal collection, but hearing it will be the last review in your old house, after 15 years of reviewing, makes it that more special of a review, for both of us. I'm looking forward to the next chapter of sword reviews at your new location. Thank you again!
@CobraKaiNoMercy
@CobraKaiNoMercy Жыл бұрын
Thank you for supplying Matt with the sword. I’ve been watching Matt review swords since 2017 and I have posted since 2012 that I would never own a Ronin Dojo Elite and here we are in 2022 and my personal katana is a Ronin Dojo Elite that I paid to have customized to my liking with some blade work done by me 😅 (video is up on my channel if you want to see it). I actually ordered another Dojo Elite originally and it arrived damaged…by damaged I mean the package arrived shaped like a C…I emailed Chris and he was disappointed (I would be too!), but said he’d take care of me and that he’d never seen this happen on a Dojo Elite. I told him to email me when he got more Elites back in stock and he told me he would and about 4 months later he told me he got two in stock and I picked the nicer of the two, this was during COVID also. It’s kinda funny really, I’ve owned swords from Hanwei, Skyjiro, Citadel, Ryumon, and the one that stole my heart was the Ronin Dojo Elite… lol.
@GGolden219
@GGolden219 Жыл бұрын
@@CobraKaiNoMercy I have 2 elites available and I just dropped the price to $450. They aren't doing anyone any good just sitting in the closet.
@CobraKaiNoMercy
@CobraKaiNoMercy Жыл бұрын
@@GGolden219 Are they on eBay?
@GGolden219
@GGolden219 Жыл бұрын
@@CobraKaiNoMercy No, they are listed on SBG forum. There is a link to my sale post in the video description.
@bearmtn7
@bearmtn7 Жыл бұрын
Ferric chloride may show the different steels a bit better; that and a coffee bath helps a lot of knife makers make the different steels in their folded blades "pop", for lack of a better word. Kyle Royer has a couple videos on his techniques for that. Hopefully that helps. Good video 👍 Edit: spelling
@CobraKaiNoMercy
@CobraKaiNoMercy Жыл бұрын
Good suggestion!
@alexwilmes9496
@alexwilmes9496 Жыл бұрын
How can we provide you a sword for a destruction review? I have the Musashi Ume and Umigame from Amazon that claim to be kobuse and I’d like see one of them tested to the limit.
@rvakatana
@rvakatana Жыл бұрын
I would love to see this, too!
@TopLob
@TopLob Жыл бұрын
I'm happy to see you wear some protection. Wouldn't like to see you hurt. Thanks for sanding and showing the cross section as well :) Very interesting to see. We wouldn't get this chance without you. To me it looks like they have a somewhat large, soft shingane core, sandwiched by two slats of kawagane, and they've inserted a hard steel edge. It honestly looks more like hon sanmai to me, as the core kinda looks like it extends into the mine, but it's not very clear. And we can't really tell if there are two slats of steel on each side of the core or just one on each side. But I can tell that the edge has been differentially hardened. The coloring is different a third into the blade. But this is only my analysis of what we see in the video though. Imo, 24 hours acid bath was better than a week. It corroded a bit too much at the end. Maybe 48 hours is better. Depending on how much work you want to put into it, it's also possible to etch it a bit more controlled, but that takes a bit of work. So it's up to you whether or not you want to put that much work into it. What I'd do after the sanding, would be to mix some vinegar and lemon juice and a drop of dish soap and just sit and rub it into the cross section. And stop every once in a while to clean it off, polish it a tiny bit with some brass polish. Rinse and repeat until desired result. Mind you that this could easily take an hour. I do this to bring out the hamon of swords if it fades. It really brings out the hada as well. I would assume it should have the same effect on a sanded cross section.
@adamv2915
@adamv2915 Жыл бұрын
Hello Matthew, i love watching your video's and seeing your honest reviews and watching you test the swords even to destruction. I bought a katana from a site called bladespro a few years ago for £260, I tried looking for reviews at the time but their wasn't any and theirs still next to none but I got one anyway and I love it as a show piece. I was wondering if you've ever came across them, because I would love to see your thoughts on what their like and watch you test them. Keep doing what your doing, I can't wait to see the results of your project katana's.
@JoeSteel1
@JoeSteel1 Жыл бұрын
Great Job Matt, I would expect somewhat better from the Elite price...very good looking sword though
@CobraKaiNoMercy
@CobraKaiNoMercy Жыл бұрын
The Dojo Elite hasn’t changed at all since its inception. As a Dojo Elite owner I am glad to see what one looks like on the inside lol.
@serpnta1267
@serpnta1267 Жыл бұрын
I bought a Dojo Pro #21 a few months ago because I wanted a Dotanuki style blade. The ito is actually pretty tight; tighter than I expected it to be based off what others have said about it. The knot felt a little weak so I added a few drops of Gorilla Glue to it. Practiced Iai with it and it felt really nice. For me, it was well worth the price.
@ShagShaggio
@ShagShaggio Жыл бұрын
Hope the move is going well. Here's to closing a great chapter and hopefully opening another. Cheers 💚
@darthvaper6745
@darthvaper6745 Жыл бұрын
Love the cross section part of the broken blade at the end segment
@KF1
@KF1 Жыл бұрын
Great way to close out the old abode. The way the blade cracked but barely held together looks just like a picture I saw in a book of a nihonto that failed. Had that same effect. Also, have you any experience with Goryeo sword the Korean manufacturer? They claim to use SK steel and their videos show a different tempering technique where the blades pass through a layer of oil into water beneath. Their website indicates a patent filed for the process, though not sure what to think
@samuraibyrd
@samuraibyrd Жыл бұрын
Great review Matt! I own a couple laminated blades and have learnt that im not a big fan,lol. All though i DO like that one. The fact that the spine still held while breaking proves durable. I just think the recipe is wrong,lol, ill buy one when they make it out of L6,T10,and 1095,or S5,S7,51crv4 even,lol
@samuraibyrd
@samuraibyrd Жыл бұрын
That’s a cool saga ending man!! Good luck with the new home. Will there be a Northern Division of Katanaland?? Lol
@rvakatana
@rvakatana Жыл бұрын
Great review! I'm a big fan of lamination, so I'd be interested in a soshukitae... albeit more for the novelty of it, and not for cutting
@GGolden219
@GGolden219 Жыл бұрын
Let me know John, before they're gone.
@SUPERSONIC_ARCHERY
@SUPERSONIC_ARCHERY 3 ай бұрын
Hi Matthew, great review there! Look, If you want so make laminations better visible the use ferric chloride Fe3Chlorid. As a customknifemaker myself, I use this method often just to control or make visible Hamon on my blades or other tools.
@yotomuramasa
@yotomuramasa Жыл бұрын
Not the most durable, but very pretty. The blade seems above the fittings. I would probably buy one of the shirasaya ones without the copper hardware
@cleric670
@cleric670 Жыл бұрын
Muriatic acid (concrete cleaner) is readily available and will quickly show the various layers and differences in steel. A friend uses it for his Damascus and it works fantastic, soak for 15min in the acid then neutralize in a baking soda+water solution for 10min. If you need more contrast do it a second or third time.
@SpaceGhost182
@SpaceGhost182 10 ай бұрын
Never heard this before but I might try it
@daniellopezeverest
@daniellopezeverest Жыл бұрын
Very cool thank you for sharing! :-)
@mayoutoobid
@mayoutoobid Жыл бұрын
30:50 What's the name of the second sword? Which one of the four is the most durable and sharp?
@8thsinner
@8thsinner Жыл бұрын
Thank you for protecting the tree a bit more. I'm sure it's grateful. Thats the lamination muramasa came up with isn't it, would have been quite cool to see that showing up. It might be possible the certain polishing stones and techniques would reveal the differences but thats a whole ton of work I wouldn't expect anyone to be experimenting with really.
@yotomuramasa
@yotomuramasa Жыл бұрын
Masamune of the Soshu school supposedly created Soshu lamination (Soshu Kitae). Many collectors believe Soshu Kitae never really existed (and most people in there right mind wouldn't snap an antique Masamune in half to find out)
@8thsinner
@8thsinner Жыл бұрын
@@yotomuramasa Well, you make a compelling argument there. lmao
@CobraKaiNoMercy
@CobraKaiNoMercy Жыл бұрын
As Yoto pointed out, it was supposedly developed by Masamune and was a very complex lamination method. My only issue with modern forges trying to replicate this is that… well they don’t really know what they’re doing. I’ve seen swords advertised in this lamination method (Soshu Kitae) and without breaking it in half, how do you know? Another one that I’ve seen is Kobuse which should have lamination activity along the spine instead of the blade and have had collectors argue with me that the sword is indeed Kobuse when well…it’s not and they essentially overpaid and won’t admit it. I’ve owned Knives from Seki City, Japan (Mcusta) and currently own a Rockstead which is a premium knife that are all san-mai laminated and you can easily tell by looking at the spine of the blade and the edge to see a consistent lamination line in both sides which is something Western and Chinese smiths can copy to varying success but usually the lamination is only visible on one side or is just not done right. It’s really not a well-understood process outside of Japan and adds no real functionality to the knife or sword (in modern times) most of the time.
@FatGuyWithAKatana
@FatGuyWithAKatana Жыл бұрын
If I didn't like mine so much I'd send you my Musashi gold series. They're apparently kobuse laminated. With the right light at the right angle i can make out some lines along the spine that suggest lamination.
@CobraKaiNoMercy
@CobraKaiNoMercy Жыл бұрын
Eyyyy I remember you!! You used to be named Gabe Musashi 😊. I’m TehGoodReverend if you remember me. Musashi Gold Class swords were something else (in a good way) and I recommend you hold onto that lol. I have a Ronin Dojo Elite which I will be holding onto as well. Check out my channel for some swords I’ve posted.
@michaelrs8010
@michaelrs8010 Жыл бұрын
I echo what Ryan R. said. 👍
@Miggggy
@Miggggy Жыл бұрын
cool
@mayoutoobid
@mayoutoobid Жыл бұрын
Hanwei Practical XL is now over $300 but it has 1566 High Carbon Steel which is stronger than $300 Ronin Katana Dojo-Pro's 1060 High Carbon Steel I think. Am I right? For $400, you can get Hanwei Raptor Nanbokucho Katana which has 5160 High Carbon Steel. Does this mean Raptor is alot more durable than Practical XL and Dojo Pro ?? Which one is worth the money you think? Please let me know, thank you.
@Matthew_Jensen
@Matthew_Jensen Жыл бұрын
I have not tested a blade from Hanwei the same as I have from Ronin. It is not really fair for me to answer. The 1060 blades from Ronin have shown to be very durable. I have not broken a Hanwei 5160 blade but I have broken others and it too is very durable. The raptor seriese is a little closer to the dojo pro, in that they are both through hardened. I like the fittings a little better on the raptor, I like the dojo pro saya and tsuka shape a bit better. Both are great cutters. The practical XL is still differentially hardened and will probably bend if you do bad cuts, it is forgiving but not like a through hardened blade. The shape is also better for tatami cutting, if that is your intended target, then it should be a good option.
@maccurtis730
@maccurtis730 Жыл бұрын
Skallgram is right you are very extensive with your reviews.
@Matthew_Jensen
@Matthew_Jensen Жыл бұрын
I blah blah a lot.
@maccurtis730
@maccurtis730 Жыл бұрын
@@Matthew_Jensen Worth it just to see the end of the video.
@fettmaneiii4439
@fettmaneiii4439 Жыл бұрын
weird its got like a reverse hamon. the edge portion of the hamon is supposed to be cloudy color, and the spine side of the hamon is supposed to be more mirror polished. Mad props to keep the video going weeks later displaying different etch's. If you want to speed up the etching you can get stuff at the hardware store muriatic acid.
@fettmaneiii4439
@fettmaneiii4439 Жыл бұрын
it might be because this blade is thru hardened and then a false hamon is applied. actually far more common than you think
@pauly51
@pauly51 Жыл бұрын
How much did you save on a scratch and dent?
@GGolden219
@GGolden219 Жыл бұрын
It was $450 for the scratch and dent
@erichusayn
@erichusayn Жыл бұрын
Looks like a typical Ronin katana to me. Just with a fancier blade. I would venture to guess the lack of price increase is due to their warehouse in country.
@GGolden219
@GGolden219 Жыл бұрын
These type of fittings are not used on dojo pro or RK series, so it's not a typical Ronin Katana.
@cantremember6794
@cantremember6794 Жыл бұрын
I know you got a lemon of a dojo pro but if I could let you use mine you'd understand why there good lol. Mines fantastic.
@erichusayn
@erichusayn Жыл бұрын
@@cantremember6794 blade on my dojo pro katana #19 (I think, clouds and moon tsuba) is well made, it's just the koshirae was so poorly done. Their Tanto #1 I own is ok, but nothing special. Their longsword model 2 totally redeemed themselves to me. Love that sword. I just wish they were stricter with their QC really, that's all
@cantremember6794
@cantremember6794 Жыл бұрын
@@erichusayn I own the crusader longsword the only issues I have with it is weight but that seems to be an issue with most there euro line. I don't have any exspirence with there tantos
@erichusayn
@erichusayn Жыл бұрын
@@cantremember6794 the longsword by them I own is surprisingly light and nimble. Anyone I've handed it top (especially katana people) is always surprised.
@sattercaster1
@sattercaster1 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful sword. I'd love to have that. Too bad to see it destroyed....
@dustymichael3425
@dustymichael3425 10 ай бұрын
what is your ultimate budgert katama
@Matthew_Jensen
@Matthew_Jensen 10 ай бұрын
That means different things to different people. I think the Mussha $50 was it for me. It is ultimate budget and held up OK to some of the testing I do. For that kind of money you can really try some things.
@mandyequalsmurderofficial9256
@mandyequalsmurderofficial9256 Жыл бұрын
Is that a can of dip in your keikogi?
@Matthew_Jensen
@Matthew_Jensen Жыл бұрын
Lens cap.
@mandyequalsmurderofficial9256
@mandyequalsmurderofficial9256 Жыл бұрын
@@Matthew_Jensen that makes sense. Lol sweet video as always! I hope i have more up on fattousai channel before you retire lol been stupid busy and running broke buying ammo lately. 🤦‍♂️
@voltsoftruthBSbuster
@voltsoftruthBSbuster Жыл бұрын
Is it me or is the grain structure of the steel at the break appears extremely coarse as if the steel was heat treated improperly which caused large carbon carbides to grow. But this also presents a problem since there are at least 3 different tyn) on: %g%apes of steels in the blade with carbon content that varies from .45% to0 .60% and finally to .95%. This should present a problem of developing a uniform carbide along 7 different pieces of steel which start to develop different properties at different temperatures during the heat treatment phase. So if anything they should be very sporadic in grain structure if heat treatment failed. Yet these apear to be very uniform just not the desired grain structure one would desire+ It could very well be that I'm misinterpreting the image. All the steels used in the sword areb low to medium to high simple carbon steels. With no addition of high number or complex alloy metals such as hard carbide metals like chromium, vanadium, tungsten, cobalt ect. So in theory they should have very fine grain structure if the heat treatment is done right. If done improperly it will cause carbon to form carbon carbides, which will produce coarse large grains that don't have a good bond to the matrix which results in brittleness. Full disclosure, I'm not an expert in metals, steels,, or a metallurgist, but simply an enthusiast, knife collector, and occasional knife maker. Its definitely a hobby and a passion more than anything else. I'm not a steel snob, infact never bought into the whole super particle steel hype, and actually prefer old school simple "super" steels such as 5160, 6150, 15n20, L6, A8, 1050, and few others which have demonstrated to still reign Supreme in the toughness department, with non of the modern super particle steels coming even close to outperforming them in that category. Edge retention, wear resistance, and achieving high hardness clearly goes to modern steels but again at great sacrifice in significant reduction in toughness. Non of the modern steels are suitable for sword making. Where pretty much any simple carbon steels 10 series and many tool steels could be used to make a decent sword, like O1, L6, 5160, 52100, A8, A6, even A2 (if properly heat treated, speaking from personal experience since I had a katana made from A2 air hardening tool steel) Rob Criswell, and Phill Hartfield few who make them right. Even seen few katanas made from D2 steel, although personally I could never recommend for someone to get a sword from a steel that has 1.5% carbon and 12% chromium and 1% vanadium. Full of hard carbide in record amounts. If anyone disagrees with anything I've said here let me know. Always open to learn something new or look at things from different perspective even if I disagree.
@GynxGrimmMusik
@GynxGrimmMusik Жыл бұрын
A few words for saya wax. Heat gun. Caution. Not too close to the koiguchi.
@pauly51
@pauly51 Жыл бұрын
If you want a great size and simple taste, John lee practical katana. I bought mine online from Netherlands, Europe
@beavisroadhog9629
@beavisroadhog9629 Жыл бұрын
Any machine can be a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.
@strydyrhellzrydyr1345
@strydyrhellzrydyr1345 Жыл бұрын
Wait... You said failure rate is higher... Therefore price is higher... That confuses me.. I would think if your failure rate is LOWER.. which means it fails at a lower rate. It fails less often... Less chances of it to fail... That seems like. If the failure rate is LOWER.. it should be more expensive... Not cheaper.???
@Matthew_Jensen
@Matthew_Jensen Жыл бұрын
From what I understand it is common enough for japanese style blades to fail when quenched. I am speculating that amount of failed attempts at making blades with complex lamination is higher than with other styles and that cost is passed to the customer.
@beepboop204
@beepboop204 Жыл бұрын
🙃
@FrejthKing
@FrejthKing Жыл бұрын
💀
@robertjensen1438
@robertjensen1438 Жыл бұрын
Just a comment for the algorithm
@daveware4117
@daveware4117 Жыл бұрын
Although destructive testing is extreamly valueble, i still pains me to watch
@tengu190
@tengu190 Жыл бұрын
Wear chaps!
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