284 Winchester - Hottest New Long Range Cartridge?

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284 Winchester - Hottest New Long Range Cartridge?

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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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All loading, handloading, gunsmithing, shooting and associated activities and demonstrations depicted in our videos are conducted by trained, certified, professional gun handlers, instructors, and shooters for instructional and entertainment purposes only with emphasis on safety and responsible gun handling. Always check at least 3 industry handloading manuals for handloading data, 2 or 3 online ballistic calculators for ballistic data. Do not modify any cartridge or firearm beyond what the manufacturer recommends. Do not attempt to duplicate, mimic, or replicate anything you see in our videos. Firearms, ammunition, and constituent parts can be extremely dangerous if not used safely.

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@buddy22801012 3 жыл бұрын

The 28 caliber is catching on! It took us a long time to realize Paul Mauser knew his stuff back in 1892.

@louissehovski3291 3 жыл бұрын

Originally the 284 was in the Winchester model 88 lever action it couldn't be loaded to it's full potential(so I've read),I have a 98 mauser action chambered in 284 ,it's a great shòoter,fun to experiment with loads in the Lyman manual

@awsomedude12345678 3 жыл бұрын

You do realize the 270 is a .284 right?

@wawheeler21 3 жыл бұрын

@@awsomedude12345678 no the .270 is .277"

@HAYAOLEONE 3 жыл бұрын

.277 or .284, 9.3 or .375. 4 calibers to do almost everything with 'big' bullets.

@awsomedude12345678 3 жыл бұрын

@@wawheeler21 yes thats my bad its the same as the 7mm

@swishswish386 3 жыл бұрын

This guy is very knowledgeable, likable and easy to listen to👍👍👍 Further to this he doesn't "crap on" and pump himself up etc. which unfortunately seems to be the very irritating trend on many shooting channels. I have just subbed !! Greetings from Australia

@bocconom 3 жыл бұрын

Fully agree. Ron doesn't waste words or time; the man is a walking encyclopedia and a great respecter of the history of cartridges and guns, . I avoid many shooting channels not only because of the "crap on" and the legend in their own minds mentality but also because many have a narrow understanding of what is 'good."

@gunman-6646 3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you!

@dakotawaalkens7303 3 жыл бұрын

Oh, You mean like David Petzal? I respect his knowledge and experiences but that gentleman is just plain grumpy and opinionated.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Swish. I shall endeavor to remain humble, which shouldn't be difficult because I screw up to often to get cocky. And my wife reminds me.

@kentuckywindage222 3 жыл бұрын

Ron is a straight shooter! He pulls no punches and let's facts do the talking.

@bmonty1915 3 жыл бұрын

What a great round! So the .284 was doing a lot of the same things as the infamous 6.5 Creedmoor; just 50 years earlier. Just goes to show you that timing and marketing is everything.

@wildcat_reloading 3 жыл бұрын

Alot of the old chamberibgs are making a come back because of how powder and bullets have advanced

@Smokincreekadventures 3 жыл бұрын

The 264 win mag was a prime example

@life_of_riley88 3 жыл бұрын

6.5x55 Swede does just about as much as the 6.5 Creedmoor with lower cup pressures. Lower cup pressure means less wear on chamber throats and barrels. There is very little new technology in the firearms world.

@14goldmedals 3 жыл бұрын

The 6.5 creedmoor cannot compete against the 284 Win. Open F-class shows us what works at 1000 yards and the 284 Win reaches way, way farther as a target bullet.

@Predalien195 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, but 6.5 is doing it in a short action rifle vs a long action. Don't get me wrong, as the saying goes "Anything under the sun" is true. Nothing is new, just reinvented or reimagined. That said, there are distinct advantages to each caliber. If we're talking strictly what something can do on paper it's not hard to determine which is superior, but if we're talking availability and practicality, there's a huge difference between the two.

@MJA5 3 жыл бұрын

I think it's very interesting when an old cartridge peeks over the wall and gets noticed. I suspect the people who designed cartridges back 60 years ago were as brilliant as the people are now, and all without computer simulations, so even more impressive in the end. The 284 Winchester is older than I am, and I guarantee it shoots straighter 😄

@jmkhenka 3 жыл бұрын

As someone said, they learned what there was to be learned 100 years ago. Engineers, geniuses at that, spend thousands of hours developing the modern brass cartridges we use today. All we got today is good marketing departments. But to that, the market has changed a bit with modern boat tail bullets as most designs was flat based in the early days. And boat tail bullets need diffrent barrel designs/twist rates due to lenght. But the cases themselfe are no more irrelevant today, take the 6.5x55 swedish that is 130 years old today and still competes with modern variants like the creedmoor. But modern PR does what modern PR does, makes people think the old thing is irrelevant. Sometimes more is not better - take the 6.5-300 or 6.5 PRC. Neither does anything people misses in existing 6.5 offerings. 6.8 western is another example. A 270 with better twist rate barrel and more freebore is a better choice, or the 270 wsm.

@johanneskolenbrander8288 3 жыл бұрын

You got it 👍

@lawrencecardente533 3 жыл бұрын

@@jmkhenka I agree with you about the twist rate in the 270, speed it up to 1in 8 and the 270 western/short mag/Nosler/Weatherby mag, all go away.

@sergioantoniolazzaro1995 3 жыл бұрын

@@lawrencecardente533 yo no estoy deACUERDO CON USTED, USE PUNTAS DE 150 Y 165 EN MI 270, EL SPIND DRIFT ME VOLVIO LOCO Y LAS BALAS NO EXPANDIERON, SI TENGO DINERO PARA UN SEGUNDO RIFLE IRE AL 7 RM

@leeeng478 2 жыл бұрын

Considering it is the year 2022 and we are just catching up to our accomplishments in the 1960's when America could produce and make anything. Saturn V rockets 1967 carried the heaviest lift capabilities ever. As of 2021, the Saturn V remains the only launch vehicle to carry humans beyond low Earth orbit, as well as the tallest, heaviest, and most powerful (highest total impulse) rocket ever brought to operational status. It holds records for the heaviest payload launched and largest payload capacity to low Earth orbit (LEO) of 310,000 lb (140,000 kg), which included the third stage and unburned propellant needed to send the Apollo command and service module and Lunar Module to the Moon. We have actually lost massive capabilities and overall IQ's have dropped 3%. We have less capabilities in a world of smart phones and computers does not always represent reality!

@bobwills7607 3 жыл бұрын

6.5x284 is another wildcat that kicked butt!!!

@Rampant_Colt 3 жыл бұрын

This, 6.5×55 Swede, and the (6.5-284 recently) have been my favorite since I was a kid. I really regret trading my M94 Swede! Hopefully this old Winchester cartridge makes a big comeback when folks realize its true potential

@arnoldgrubbs2005 3 жыл бұрын

Dig it! - Loving the 6.5-284 lapua..(same as 284 win but longer standard throat for heavy projectiles) Have built 3 on 98 mauser actions, and 2 others on different actions. Still have a 96 6.5x55 Swede myself, but usually grab the 6.5x284.

@easttexan2933 3 жыл бұрын

When ammo was plentiful, one still could not find 284 Win at the local gunshop or at Academy, or at Walmart, or just about anywhere. 7mmMag? Everywhere !! All day long. I don't like excessive recoil so I don't shoot a 7mmMag anymore. I prefer my 7x57 and my 6.5 Swede. 140gr pills at 2650fps in commercial ammo. I'm happy.

@johnganshow5536 3 жыл бұрын

I knew a couple of guys in Juneau in the 80s who were serious Dall Sheep hunters and went north every August/September. They had custom built bolt action rifles chambered in 284...

@blairajdean 3 жыл бұрын

Could have saved some money with a 30-06 ….. my dad has a Dall sheep from the Yukon he shot in the 80’s

@duaneholcomb8408 3 жыл бұрын

Never shot the 284. But the 270. Has always been a favorite of mine.

@exothermal.sprocket 3 жыл бұрын

7mm/.284 is a sweet spot in power, range, recoil, and with enough oomph does the job on big game. Peterson Cartridge (sold exclusively through Graf & Sons) just north of Pittsburgh, PA makes match grade brass for .284 Winchester.

@philliphill4763 3 жыл бұрын

Another fantastic history lesson accompanied by wisdom for the future!

@jeffcopenhaver2217 3 жыл бұрын

I’d love to see the 284 Win make a comeback, but the queen of my 7mm court has been and always will be the 7x57.

@Mark-uq9km 3 жыл бұрын

7x57 is one great and historic round.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

Can't blame you for picking that one, Jeff.

@brandtwebber5761 3 жыл бұрын

It really is a great round.

@lagermat 2 жыл бұрын

I wish Winchester, Remington, or one of the other big manufacturers would consistently chamber a rifle in 7x57. If I could get a rifle in that caliber it would be my go to.

@MrMalicious5 2 жыл бұрын

284 Win and a lot of it's variants have been all over F-Class and Benchrest for years.

@jjdias74 3 жыл бұрын

Once again you're proving the Johnny come lately cartridges don't offer anything new. Keep making the great videos that you do.

@nmelkhunter1 3 жыл бұрын

Well said. I have an uncle who has used either a 30-06 or 7MM Rem Mag to kill everything on the North American continent, with the exception of the great bears. He also has a 280 Remington since he thinks it’s, in his words, a cartridge everyone should own. I tend to agree! But I’m biased since I killed my first mulie buck and buck antelope with his 280 Remington and 140 partitions. Take care and best of luck in the field.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir. I shall try.

@bustabass9025 3 жыл бұрын

No such thing as, "Johnny come lately" cartridges. What you are referring to is the results of continued research and development in rifle cartridge improvement and performance. As with anything, there is a standard that generally speaking performs well. But thanks to pioneering ballisticians like Roy Weatherby, John Nosler, Elmer Keith, and many others too numerous to mention here, the world of hunting and shooting continues to evolve, rather than remain stagnant in the era of days gone by. In short, there are many, better choices which consider many different factors, that probably didn't go into the development of the original cartridge.

@nmelkhunter1 3 жыл бұрын

@@bustabass9025 From a hunting perspective that’s silly. After all, big game animals haven’t changed.

@bustabass9025 3 жыл бұрын

@@nmelkhunter1 What's silly is the woefully narrow minded way in which you view progression. Hopefully, this is not indicative of your beliefs about how the real world works.

@mathiasness9635 7 ай бұрын

I have a 6.5 284 and it’s a beast.

@williammcclelland6789 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir for teaching me something today. This is a cartridge that , for whatever reason, I have overlooked over the years. But now, you have me thinking.

@timwright8078 3 жыл бұрын

I have never hunted a day in my life. Also have very limited experience shooting rifles in general. That being said, I absolutely love this channel. I could sit and listen to Ron spew his copious knowledge for hours. What a refreshing, no frills education/history lesson each time. Keep up the great work.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Tim.

@jimmiefarris4218 3 жыл бұрын

Had a 284 in 1964,loved that rifle and so very accurate. Was a custom made rifle, Fajen stock, Douglas premium barrel. Still wish I had that rifle. 😪

@HernanMoragaMmHs 3 жыл бұрын

Oh man, I would like to hear more about that 280 remington. Great video as always!

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

I'll try to remember to do one on the 280 Rem., Hernan.

@paulvenn4447 3 жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors 280 AI! :D

@kirkboswell2575 3 жыл бұрын

@@Chester_Oliver - No, the 280 failed because of the 7 mm Remington magnum. In fact, Remington almost didn't agree to make the 7 mag because of concerns that it would severely impact their 280 sales. But a couple of gunsmith/hunters in Colorado and Wyoming (the inventors of the cartridge), convinced Remington that it would be better if they made the 7 mag than it would have been if it was offered to Winchester. Remington agreed it would be better to have the 7 mag in their stable than if it was in the competition's stable. And, yes, the 7 mag overshadowed the 280.

@HernanMoragaMmHs 3 жыл бұрын

@@paulvenn4447 vortex nation prdcast has a really good one on the 280 AI. Although I would love Ron giving his take as well. .284 is my favorite caliber!

@robertthurman3743 3 жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors 280 AI - I've been looking at the 280 but that AI has my attention juuuuust a little more. I've been itching for a new build in the 7mm size. I just haven't been able to decide if I want a 284, 284 Shehane, 280 AI, or the 7MM SAUM. I have interest and respect for all of them, but I need a push. Teach me, Ron! The 7's are where it's at! Well done, sir.

@demonrathunter 3 жыл бұрын

THANKS RON !

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

You are most welcomed, sir.

@melaninabsentgenetics3626 3 жыл бұрын

Any time a classic/ original is popular I'm happy! Dang new fangled technology! Replacing cartridges and arms that work great with plastic/ carbon... Thanks for some classic presentation.

@randyschaff8939 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Ron thanks for the chat that’s a good one all right. .30/06 is way easier to feed. I call it my .300/06 with the new powders and bullets out there available👍🤠

@danielmaine45 3 жыл бұрын

True statement! With the newer bullets and powders...the 30-06 is really getting into the original ballistics of the 300 win mag.

@rkba4923 3 жыл бұрын

Since I have ruptured disc in my cervical/neck and recoil is, therefore, a major issue, I'll stick with 7mm-08. But, look guys, choose whatever cartridge you like that's sufficient to take your intended game/target, then learn your system/rifle. Everything will be fine, trust me.

@christianh8463 Жыл бұрын

I have been hunting with a .284 Browning A Bolt Micro Medallion since I was 6 years old. Still my favorite rifle to this day. Use a custom loaded 139 gr projectile moving at 3100 fps. Most drop where they stand havent ever had to track one yet.

@blackie1of4 3 жыл бұрын

Love the 284 Winchester... another two that were ahead of their time were the 350 Remington Mag & the 6.5 Remington Mag I owned them both and both were accurate as well.

@waynestone6462 3 жыл бұрын

Yes sir . Also the 358 win .

@blackie1of4 3 жыл бұрын

@@waynestone6462 I actually got my hands on a 358 Winchester.. Ruger put out a special run of 400 a few years back.. so I picked one up. I absolutely love the short action calibers!

@jeffcopenhaver2217 3 жыл бұрын

@@waynestone6462 In my opinion the 358 Winchester just might be the best eastern woods cartridge ever devised. It kills deer and black bear like the hammer of Thor, and you can eat right up to the hole. Unfortunately nowadays, everyone fancies themselves as snipers so the poor 358 gets overlooked.

@waynestone6462 3 жыл бұрын

@@jeffcopenhaver2217 Amen Brother . I love the 35 caliber .My late uncle killed a trophy Roosevelt's ELK with the 358 win. The 35 Remington is so popular in the eastern woods why not the 358 win ?

@blackie1of4 2 жыл бұрын

@@waynestone6462 haven't harvested anything yet with my 358 Winchester.. but every time I carry it.. I know it will do the job with authority! My two older brothers use the 300 Winchester.. to each his own. We are hunting the eastern woods of Pennsylvania. I've had my eye on the 35 Remington as well. A lot of hunter tote this 35 every year. This past season however.. I picked the 358's smaller brother and harvested a big bodied pennsylvania eight point. That was with a Tikka T3x Hunter chambered in 7mm-08 Remington.

@nbonner75 2 жыл бұрын

I always appreciate the history and perspective Ron brings to cartridges on the fringes of my radar

@gregjennings9442 3 жыл бұрын

It’s even better when you reload and can seat the bullet well out to get case volume back. It’s the most common cartridge used in F-Open class. Now that’s single loading in a short action, but you could use a long action to get the same effect using a mag.

@leeeng478 2 жыл бұрын

That why I like the 7x57 in 175's you can load them way out there!

@peterdiebel7372 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome chat on the underated 284. One of my favourites was and still is The 358 win. How about it Ron. Thank you .

@alaskalamb 2 жыл бұрын

I second that!!! I have a rebarreled ruger scout in 358 and love it

@beestoe993 2 жыл бұрын

My favorite caliber is 7mm. Anything you can do with a .30 cal, you can do with a 7mm with less recoil and a flatter trajectory and the available bullet selection is huge. I would LOVE to see a passel of NEW 284 Win rifles hit the store shelves. That would be great. I think it is one of the best cartridge designs ever.

@oldhunter1000 3 жыл бұрын

The Winchester Model 88 & 100 were really outstanding, however they never lived up to the accuracy I expected. I am totally in love with the 284 Win. I moved on to the 7mm Rem mag and carried the extra recoil and weight . You wisely pointed out there was no actual difference between the two. You picked the two bullets that I settled on to reload that 139 gr and the 140 gr. Good Video!

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks David.

@carllovendale6259 3 жыл бұрын

Ron, you nailed it again. I was 12 years old in 1963 and i remember the 284 when it first came out. My dads friend baught one in a model 100 Winchester. My uncles all gathered around and looked, and talked about it. What a great experience for a young kid to listen in on that conversion about this new and interesting cartridge. I was on the verge of becoming a hunter. The memories. Thanks Ron.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

Neat memory, Carl. Thanks for sharing.

@johnkaraphillis754 3 жыл бұрын

In the early 90’s I picked up a Browning Micro Medallion in .284 Winchester for a stand I had in the hard woods hunting whitetails. I loved it and worked up some 140 Nosler Partitions with IMR 4350. Shot just under an inch which is not bad for a 20” barrel and partitions, but it hit hard. Really loved it but did not do a lot of load development due to the recoil. That gun was hard on the shoulder after about 20 rounds. Thanks for the memories Ron. Really look forward to your videos!

@lesliewinters1301 11 ай бұрын

Ron, thanks. For the quality, dependable perspectives. You are here to help, .... and you sure do.

@paulsimmons5726 3 жыл бұрын

Very cool discussion. I've never seen a rifle in this cartridge though. You never know with all the companies revisiting the 6.5, 270, and 7mm's these days, someone might decide to bring it back with a new jazzed-up name. Everything seems to get recycled in ammo if you wait long enough, the 284Win might be back at some point... And Ron, you might be the guy to nudge it back to the current discussion!

@davidwasson3935 3 жыл бұрын

If they do it will be the fourth time this round was invented, he left out the grand dad of them all. Just after ww1 a german named brenneke invented the 7x64, it is the ballistic twin to the 284 and the 280 rem.

@TheEigerclimber 3 жыл бұрын

I STILL THINK YOU ARE THE BEST PERSON TO TALK ABOUT AND COMPARE THE 308 FAMILY OF CARTRIDGES AND THE 284 FAMILY. THANKS FOR THE GREAT INFORMATION! HAVE A FANTASTIC DAY!!!!!!!

@RonSpomerOutdoorscom 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Climber.

@kirkboswell2575 3 жыл бұрын

As i recall, the 284 got "shot in the foot" right out of the gate by a couple of nationally recognized writers who didn't like the rebated rim. Once they started on the "deficiencies" of the rebated rim, it became a series of issues such as "proper" bullets impinging upon powder capacity. And they even took exception to the sharp shoulders. As I recall, it was "potential feeding issues". Needless to say, this was a pretty big hurdle to overcome. But there were a number of people who kept saying "hey, the 284 is better than you think". And they kept saying it. And they kept saying it over the years. One guy even chambered a long action with a long freebore to allow no impingement on the powder space. And yes, he got improved performance, but then you started hearing that such a chamber eliminated the advantages of the short cartridge. Long story short, a couple of national names kept the 284 from the success it should have been, and a lot of ordinary people continuing to speak up and say "it's really good" kept it alive.

@HAYAOLEONE 3 жыл бұрын

The 7.5x55mm_SWISS makes more sense for sure.

@langleyj8199 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ron.

@user-vf3gf4xq3v 3 жыл бұрын

The 6.5 x 284 was the go to cartridge about 20 years ago for NRA long range competition. I shot thousands of rounds in this cartridge. But it was a barrel burner. I’d only get about 1,200 rounds of reliable accurate firing from mine. Most serious competition shooters change gun barrels like many change underwear. Not a big deal. Good review.

@donjennings9758 2 жыл бұрын

Ron I love the 284 Winchester great calibre also I would love to see the old 264 magnum come back it was a great long range gun I have one and have kill 25 deer all one shot kills

@stephenrapalyea8475 Жыл бұрын

A friend of mine had a Savage 99F in .284Win.He bought his new circa 1962 .A very sweet rifle. I keep my eyes open for one when one comes together with the money at the same time.

@matthewq4b 3 жыл бұрын

The 284 Win has always been overlooked and underrated. Good Vid. For a short action rifle it is tough to beat the 284 Win. I have a 284/350 (284 necked up to .358) on Ruger MkII action that my father built back in the 90's. Most of our hunting, the shots are in the 100-250 yard range. And the 284/350 is the perfect brush gun for hunting moose, nice and light, easy to pack through the brush with no worries about line of sight obstructions (brush) causing deflections, and hits like a freight train with Nosler partitions or Barnes X bullets.

@AlaskanBallistics 3 жыл бұрын

I love my 6.5x284 so a .284 would be fun to have...

@MrSpudz2 3 жыл бұрын

You’ll get better barrel life and height BC with the 7mm

@AlaskanBallistics 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrSpudz2 true

@patrickmarzo36 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I do agree: He's very knowledgeable, likeable and charismatic in his style. Great job Mr. Spomer

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Patrick.

@gpax-6197 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome. I will look at this cartridge. Love to hand load. Looks like a good one. Thanks Ron.

@robertvasquez240 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video. I always wondered why I don’t see many new rifles chambered in .284 WIN--and I rarely see boxes of ammo in that caliber. I wish Winchester would reintroduce the Model 88 and the Model 100: they have always struck me as beautiful rifles with their one-piece stocks.

@thomasfurniss2026 Жыл бұрын

Go look up a finwolf.... in 284

@TOPGUNMPD08 3 жыл бұрын

Yep the 284 is a fine cartridge. My first introduction was when I purchased a Winchester 100 chambered in it. The rifle did fine, but the old autoloader didn't do it justice. The 284 needs a bolt gun to really shine. Rechambered a Weatherby Vanguard in 284 and now I have a rifle that can do almost anything. As Ron says, stick with 56 grns of 4350 and a 139 hornady and you're set. Thanks for the video Ron

@dakotawaalkens7303 3 жыл бұрын

My grandfather had a Model 100 in 284 Win. That went to my cousin when he passed but I inherited his Browning Sweet 16. Not sure who who got the better deal But I have been trying to buy that old Winchester ever since....Wish me luck!

@rustybucket83 3 жыл бұрын

This is epic. My dad built one of the first custom 284 win on a 95 mauser in Killeen, TX. He was in the 2nd armored division. Pagels gun shop I think it was called in 1962.... we shoot this gun to this day. Douglas Supreme barrel laid in a hand made fajen style stock. He also built the 300 win mag when it was developed. Its built on a high number rock island arsenal 1903 Springfield. This is old news in my family's household! Yall better watch for the donut when you reload...

@nmelkhunter1 3 жыл бұрын

Great review and I have always thought highly of the 284 Win! Your rifle in 284 Winchester really caught my eye; great looking tool to get the job done!

@SteveSiwak-sv8sd 4 ай бұрын

Iv got my grandfather's 284win 280rem and his 264 and 25-06 glad I got into reloading

@mavericknonconformist69721 3 жыл бұрын

My first rifle was a Savage 99 in .300 Savage, love the cartridge,

@browngreen933 10 ай бұрын

Around 1966 my WW2 vet father put down his 8mm Mauser bolt action sporter and bought a new Winchester Model 100. But he got the .308 version because he wanted the standard military caliber. I still have the gun with its Herter's scope.

@paulbest6556 2 жыл бұрын

I stumbled across a LH custom .284 in a nice wood stock on a Savage action. It was built by a Wyoming gunsmith, probably in the 60’s. Many nice small touches. Action is smooth as glass. Love the rifle and round. Loved the video and insight on a fine round.

@offroad6309 2 жыл бұрын

Ron, I would really like to see your take on a 6.8 western vs .284 win. Keep up the good work.

@BushmasterM4A3 3 жыл бұрын

Read your article in Outdoor Life (March 2020) comparing the .284 Winchester versus the 7x57 Mauser and 7mm-08. I'll stick with my trusty 7mm-08 but cant deny the increase in case capacity of the .284 Winchester for the long range crowd when pushed to higher pressures. Thanks for another great video Ron!

@joesawyer1483 3 жыл бұрын

I used to have a 284 Winchester in the model Savage 99E . Do a comparison on a 264 Winchester Mag.

@borkwoof696 3 жыл бұрын

That’s one of my grail guns you had there :)

@joesawyer1483 3 жыл бұрын

@@borkwoof696 You know when you are young you do stupid things and selling that gun was a big mistake. It shot fantastic and it had it's barrel beaded. My 264 win mag that I mentioned in the previous post. It's a Winchester model 70 with a pre 64 action with a Boss muzzle and free floating barrel. I have put 4 shots in the same hole at 100 yds

@georgesakellaropoulos8162 3 жыл бұрын

Those things are as scarce as rocking horse turds. They don't come up for sale often and when they do, they start at about $2K.

@Cycle9568 3 жыл бұрын

I have a 264 Win Mag sitting in the safe.

@joesawyer1483 3 жыл бұрын

My 264 is a model 70 pre 64 action with a Boss muzzle on it. Floating barrel and it only takes 2 fingers to work the bolt. I also have a Leopold scope on it

@andyeighttre 2 жыл бұрын

New, oh Ron… 🤣. Seriously though the 284 win and it’s offspring are brilliant.

@shanegridley4922 8 ай бұрын

Love all the info and history in your videos 😊

@MrDudeSayWHAT Жыл бұрын

I have a 63 Winchester model 88 284, my grandfather gave it to me many years ago, and i still hunt with it to this day, and plan to hand it down to my sons. it grabs alot of attention when people see the magazine on a lever action rifle i use for hunting. its been a great gun, and one of my best shooting. it will be a great family heirloom.

@14goldmedals 3 жыл бұрын

Been a 7mm user for hunting since 1983 right out of high school. I'm glad the kids I saw on the short bus are finally caught up.

@joelowery6919 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ron for reporting on a cartridge that is dear to my heart. My first deer rifle that I bought in 1967 and killed my first couple of deer with was chambered in .284 Winchester. Those 2 deer were also the longest range I have ever taken game. I found 55 grains of IMR-4350 and the 130 grain Speer spitzer did everything I needed it to do for deer hunting. A great cartridge, thanks again!

@RonSpomerOutdoorscom 3 жыл бұрын

You are welcome, Joe.

@ThePNWRiderWA 3 жыл бұрын

In the Winchester 88 is was a fine round. I used a 270 bolt action as well and the 284 was my woods gun with a 4x redfield. I could putt the cross hairs on the back of a mule deer as far as I could see and hit with the scope and be sure of a clean shot.

@robertezell1916 Жыл бұрын

Have hunted with a Winchester model 100 auto in .284 Winchester for 40 years and everything I have shot with it has pretty much dropped in its tracks, if it didn’t it didn’t make 30 yards. It’s a flat shooting round that rivals any short round made today. It’s still a bad boy!

@larryeddings3185 Жыл бұрын

Savage also chambered the Model 99C in 284 Winchester. I recently purchased one made in 1966. Fortunately, I also got some 150 grain Winchester factory ammo with the rifle. At the range, it shot very well, with 100 yard groups averaging a bit less than 1.5 inches. For a 54 year old rifle and my 69 year old eyes, I'm calling that good enough to hunt with.

@jackmitchell3118 2 жыл бұрын

My ole win 88 acquired in 1964 is Still harvesting elk,deer,and bear For me

@soreloser6018 3 жыл бұрын

Good to see Grandpas deer cartridge getting some exposure. Still a nostalgic cartridge for me.

@glennbabchuk3951 5 ай бұрын

I have a Win model 70 born in the 30/06 caliber... i had a stouter barrel put on in the awesome chambering of 284... as a hand loader i now can seat my 140 grain sierra #1910 bullets out to a cartridge length of 3.050 with IMR 4350 pushing it... i can run right along side the 7RMag velocity wise with less powder , less recoil and cheaper to reload.... my go to rifle and caliber for whitetail , mule deer, elk and moose... it is my contention the .284 Win was the first short magnum cartridge

@hackdlc 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve got a model 88 that was my fathers in 284. Absolutely love that rifle. Pretty much my go to deer/hog rifle. It got hard to find fuel to feed it for a while.

@CSLFiero Жыл бұрын

We have new powders, improved metallurgy, and solid turned projectiles. 284 has some of the best projectiles ever, imagine how versatile it could be with a steel- bottomed (ala 6.8 fury) ramped up to 80kpsi in a ar10 style platform. You might just be packing 20 rounds of a .800+ bc 3000fps 7mm in a single magazine of a gun weighting under 12lbs with optic.

@johnbodman4504 2 жыл бұрын

The Winchester .284 is an outstanding round. I use it for long range matches with 180 grain Berger match projectiles, I have heard that Berger is bringing out 195 grain projectiles, which I will switch to as I know the case holds enough powder for a projectile of that size.

@G19Jeeper 3 жыл бұрын

My buddy built a .338-284 Win and its pretty sweet. Not my cup of tea but its his backup for thick stuff.

@flyonbyya 3 жыл бұрын

Another Remarkable presentation !

@lloydshultz9645 3 жыл бұрын

Good information Ron..

@rogerbloxham5381 3 жыл бұрын

In 1968 I bought a Winchester model 100 chambered in 284, since I was already into reloading I bought a set of RCBS Small bass dies for it and soon came up with a very accurate load for it. Even today I will Occasionally take it hunting for deer are hogs,It has always performed very well.

@nwfam1510 11 ай бұрын

I’ve had a model 88 for over 30 years in fact it was my first rifle and still have it

@dustinbutler3820 2 жыл бұрын

I have a Model 99 Savage in 284 Winchester. Absolutely love it

@davidburns3480 2 жыл бұрын

i always enjoy this guy with his knowledge and good way of getting it across

@NomadicHacker. 3 жыл бұрын

Always a good reminder that there is so much more to learn about ballistics

@leonardogarcia2506 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video!

@stevenboggs5076 3 жыл бұрын

I love the subtle LR hunting snubs

@pistonwhisperer 2 жыл бұрын

Greetings from France, I love the 284 but here in France 284 ammo is like rocking horse poo, I have just managed to get 100.unprimed cases in the UK but had to part with a kidney, nolasco in Northern France do a 30.284 conversion on milsurps but are out of stock as are every other supplier, looks like the flint lock will be coming out if this shortage carry on Have fun and keep the faith

@MP-gc9lq 3 жыл бұрын

Ron nice to see earlier cartridges talked about, and not all the hype about these modern cartridges, my Dad built his own 284 in the late 60’s necked down to 6mm for Australian hunting now you have super accurate and flat shooting rifle out past 300 mt it’s all about bullet placement the 284 6mm event took don a water buffalo, most of theses new cartridges are only being developed to promoted to make money; big difference between a cartridge used for hunting than just target shooting Cheers

@kuzkuz3959 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the history lesson and comparison of cartridges.

@emoryzakin2576 3 жыл бұрын

Pretty excited for the 284s rise, just got my lapua brass in yesterday! Now to size it to 7.5x55 Swiss and I’m set!

@melchung1566 3 жыл бұрын

Back In the mid sixties I inherited a Savage 99 in .284. it used a clip n I called Savage to convert it to .308 Win but too expensive so I traded it off. Now I have a Winchester Model 88 and M100 and I reload for both guns. I wish I kept the Savage 99... Thanks for video, the ballistic table comparisons were very clear and understandable!

@HaftardsGuideService 2 жыл бұрын

Ya know I'm gonna be honest with you. Cuz I feel your videos are honest. Been kinda struggling with the temptation to go spot light and fill my tag. Your little "hunt honest" thing really got to me tonight. Ron thank you for all you do.

@jeffreyplum5259 2 жыл бұрын

I believe a good friend of my dad used a 284 in a Savage model 99 for deer in Maine. I love the look of the Model 99.

@stanleymosel6049 3 жыл бұрын

Been shooting the .284 since 1992, picked up a Browning Abolt that year, killed a truckload of white tails, couple of pronghorn antelope, and some hogs with it, with any 140 grain bullet at 3000 FPS, it just mows animals down, all time favorite cartridge in my all time favorite rifle, glad to hear it’s making a comeback.

@darreldwalton8763 2 күн бұрын

Used the 284 off and on in a couple different M77 Ruger flat bolts, circa 1970 mfg for both. Honestly, Ive not been able to tell the difference between the 284, the 7x57, and the 280 Rem, downrange. The single advatage, if you can call it that, is it's in a short action. Brass availability is a Royal PITA, so pick up yer brass! The shiniest part of that short, fat case with a .473 rim is all the wildcats that were spawned from it.

@johnbodman4504 2 жыл бұрын

In Australia the .284 is the most used benchrest round.

@googleuser8448 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing. My best friend just inherited a Remington model 7 rebored for the .284. He was asking me a lot of questions about the rifle and the round. I didn’t know anything about the round and not a lot about the model 7 so i just happened to come across this video so i sent him the link. Then after i watched i this video, i now really want a .284

@riclindsey329 2 жыл бұрын

My next rifle is the Winchester #70 Super Grade in the .284,,,can hardly wait until it gets here !

@larskunoandersen5750 3 жыл бұрын

I love this videos. Good information and I learn from it.

@gunman-6646 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Ron. Always enjoy your work!

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Gunman.

@matthewgaeta2088 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. Browning should chamber it in there hells canyon line. And Winchester in a stainless with composite stock

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matthew. I hope to tell Browning and Winchester. I already have. Often.

@matthewgaeta2088 3 жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors please do my second trip for elk is next year I'd love to have a Hell's canyon in 284. I roll my own and have plenty of components. Thank you, I've enjoyed your content over the years

@M--ri2ef 3 жыл бұрын

Love to see a video on the 250 and the 300 savage thank you for all the good videos.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching M-1

@johanburger6546 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Ron.Would like to see it in a factory long action with a 1 in 9 Twist for 162 gn Hornady Eld-x!

@russellcalder2693 2 жыл бұрын

Ron, I love the. 284win. My father pasted down 2 model 88s. Keep up with the updates on the 284. I had a bolt rifle made for me as well. Awesome cartridge.

@averageaussieshooter9696 3 жыл бұрын

Another great video on a great cartridge!!!

@montycrain5783 3 жыл бұрын

The Browning BLR was chambered for the 284 for a few years. Also the 425 Westley Richards had a rebated rim in 1909. Mic McPherson made a series of 284 based wildcats in a Custom switch barrel Savage 99. I believe he had barrels in 284,6mm/284,338/284,and 375/284 which achieved a 300 grain at 2,400 and had done preliminary work on a 416/284 Improved. With Controlled round feed and 4+1 capacity in 284 the 375/284 and 416/284 improved would most likely do fine work in Africa.

@donaldheine6243 2 жыл бұрын

I met someone awile back got tired of playing with the 6.5/284. His complaint was he was burning barrels too fast shooting F open class. He ended up shooting the .284 winchester. He was having a hard time finding brass for it. He really liked that cartridge. Most of the time he had to neck up 6.5/284 brass because it was easier to find. That .284 was ahead of it's time.

@MrSpudz2 3 жыл бұрын

Nothing new here, I’ve been shooting the .284 in NRA Long Range Prone matches for the past 8 years and have done VERY WELL with it. The 6.5mm bullets don’t have the BC of the 7mm’s, and to get a similar BC and velocity in the 30’s requires a cartridge that will beat the snot out of the shooter.